AGP video card works for Windows 10 1511 build, 1607 build removes AGP support (even I tried with AGP driver but no luck) Tested on Nvidia 7200gs 256MB with native AGP on the board. BTW nice video.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing, I was aware about this but I'm not sure what this means in practice. You can't install drivers at all - or only the AGP features are disabled and you don't get AGP texturing & co but the card still works as a PCI card. (where is technically possible)

@mirific87

Ай бұрын

why would you use AGP video on Win 10 anyway?

@Jenci

Ай бұрын

@@mirific87 Because tested out when I had spare hardware stuff. It was just a fun experiment, when I had a free time on the weekend.

@myne00

Ай бұрын

Does it stay in the 32 bit version?

@Jenci

Ай бұрын

@@myne00 mine athlon 64 supports 64-bit and it can boot there, otherwise 32-bit works well in any Pentium 4 (not older, but LGA775 socket if i remember correctly) on Windows 10

Man, you are late! I just made an order to PCBWay. Thanks for the video anyway ;) This is crazy, just blown my mind!

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Nice! Just let me know if you ever order this adapter. The PWM fan controller it's optional, and I guess can make it like 20% cheaper without it. But if you go with this full "Deluxe" version the MSP430FR2433 MCU needs to be programmed.

@mirific87

Ай бұрын

how much did it cost you in total and which version of the adapter did you order? @SobieRobie

@SobieRobie

Ай бұрын

@@mirific87 I ordered something else!

That HWINFO window is cursed.

kinda surprised nobody's made a agp to pcie adapter yet. last agp card i used was a HIS radeon hd 4670, had it installed in a odd amd turion64 desktop motherboard. anyways that thing played skyrim, and later fallout 4 before randomly giving up the ghost.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

There are some PCI-E to AGP adapters - where a PCI-E to PCI bridge chip is added. You can find them on ebay, but they are rather pricey: www.ebay.com/itm/176293393840 I had at some point an ATI HD3850 AGP 256bit, quite a performer.

Probably more compatible than the actual PCI-e to AGP solutions that some manufacturers had integrated into their motherboards. With cards from the FX and 6*** series issues wouldn't be surprising if the PCI slot can't provide enough power on its own (a problem that the *AGP* slot on some 2x boards also have).

@williamh5912

Ай бұрын

Yep, the 5500 dies if you try this.

@AlfaPro1337

29 күн бұрын

Isn't most 6 and 7 series has AGP to PCIe bridge.

Literally thought the power was going out after that lmao. love it!

We literally both have the same case that’s awesome

The Asrock 4coredual motherboard is no longer required. Great adapter.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Yes, I think this is the most advanced design by far... There is no other PCI to AGP adapter using Digital Bus Switch ICs (SN74CB3T3245). But all this fancy stuff will obviously increase the total cost. (BOM) I mean you need 7 x SN74CB3T3245 which is like 2$ a piece (if you order less than 10). Meanwhile, some other adapters are using 0 ICs. All these tiny ICs + MCU for the PWM fan + all the connectors - you end up with something like a 40$ bill - without the PCB and the manufacturing fees. But I guess it's still better than a dodgy 90$ eBay adapter. I would put my money into a PCI-E to AGP adapter.

Awesome adapter!

@O_mores

15 күн бұрын

It really is! I mean, it's a bit overengineered but this was an effort to make it safer and more tolerant...

Hi Omores. I have one of oskchar's agp to pcie adapters and the incompatibilities I've found are not because of the adapter but because of issues with some cards and most modern power supplies (no picture or bios complaining of no VGA card). I also have the same issue without the adapter or even with a couple of Geforce 6200LEs across all tested boards.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

So far, I didn't try any adapter from Oskchar. The adapter featured on the video is obviously a much sophisticated build - with about 30$ extra electronic components added for the sake of being on the safe side... Both adapters are not doing any magic when it comes to AGP bus. A full compatible adapter needs a bridge chip that can fully emulate the AGP bus so the card won't even know it's plugged into a PCI or PCI-Express slot. Otherwise depends on the card's firmware and driver if it can be used while AGP features are completely disabled.

good video! thanks omores

abia astept video-ul cu VuDu :)

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

In a week or so... :)

Gosh this is so awesome!

That custom Voodoo1 made me drool.

@O_mores

29 күн бұрын

I know... Actually there are 2 custom Voodoo 1 cards, one with an extra TMU something like an Quantum3D Obsidian 100sb. The plan was to released the "Voodoo video" today, but life got in the way.... This week will be online for sure.

now we just need pcie to pcix adapter to put modern gpu on old dual cpu mb's

@O_mores

18 сағат бұрын

Actually I should receive from sdz-mods.com a PCI-E to AGP adapter very soon. I will make a video for sure.

Need to try one of these adapters on a motherboard with 66 MHz PCI slots and see if there's a performance difference.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Yes, indeed. This adapter has a 66Mhz jumper but it looks like I don't have any mobo with 66Mhz PCI slots.

@geeknproud321

Ай бұрын

There absolutely will be. There was back in the day when the only options were PCI or AGP.

@GGigabiteM

Ай бұрын

@@O_mores Outside of servers, 66 MHz PCI slots were very uncommon. I know the B&W Macintosh G3 had one. The Asus P5E WS Pro is an LGA775 motherboard with an X38 chipset and has a single PCI-X 1.0 slot, which is hung off an NEC PCI-X controller. I believe it runs at speeds up to 133 MHz. Might be worth trying it on there.

Back in the day all we wanted was one that did the opposite. Because PCIe cards were made for a while that wouldn't have saturated the AGP slot. But they just stopped making AGP cards. Like the HD4850 was on AGP. That gives you an idea of how fast the AGP slot was and not making AGP cards was just planned obsolescence.

@O_mores

26 күн бұрын

The main commercial reason for AGP got ditched has to do with its single slot design. With PCI-E (re) started the SLI (and Crossfire) crazy days... Motherboards with multiple 16X PCI-E slots had a reason to be more expensive. For the ultimate setup now you need two or three PCI-E GPUs...

I have One, PCIE to PCI, but no work in my Pentium 2 Slot1 Motherboard, its like Voltage PCI slot😢 . But Works perfectly in my AM2 and other Motherboards, but ia not my initial plan, initial plan is for my Slot1 Motherboard with not have AGP Slot, but not work 😢😢😢

@jnharton

Ай бұрын

Even a PCIe graphics card with low power requirements might not be able to get enough from the slot. According to some google results, the PCI v2.2 spec only allows a PCI card to draw 25W total regardless of which rails it's coming from. PCIe Express can provide 75W to your GPU via the slot connector without any additional power cables. As long as the grounding is done properly, you can probably power the PCIe card from another power supply and run a PCI extension cable out to the card.

The crowbar was still standing

Very cool!

Is that motherboard an LGA 1700 board with a PCI slot? not PCIE?

@stanb1455

Ай бұрын

Yes They make these for use with legacy industrial stuff This guy has gotten old windows versions to work on it Also it has PCI-E in addition to plain old PCI

@guderian557

Ай бұрын

@@stanb1455 That is awesome!

@mirific87

Ай бұрын

you can also use adaptor pcie x1 to two classic PCI slots no problem if you don't have PCI slots... but you need CSM in bios to install older OS

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Yes, classic PCI slots and industrial motherboards are a thing. You can find socket 1700 motherboards with 4 classic PCI/3 PCI-E starting from 200$. This motherboard is not very industrial, actually it's branded as"Business motherboard" and it has a MSRP of ~100$. Almost any manufacturer has some motherboards with classic PCI slots. Here's a Gigabyte B760 2xPCI-E16X, 1xPCI-E 1X + 1 classic PCI: www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/B760M-D3H-rev-10

Why would you run a Voodoo 3 thru a PCI to AGP adapter when it was also released with the PCI bus? Not only that, but all AGP cards ran at AGP 2x speeds at least. That's 2x faster than the fastest consumer grade PCI speed (66 MHz 32 bit). The latest AGP graphics cards also used an AGP to PCI-E bridge.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

AGP Voodoo cards are nowadays priced lower than their PCI variants - so this adapter makes perfect sense if you want to have fun with an AGP Voodoo on a PCI/PCI-E only motherboard. Not necessarily something as modern as this H610 motherboard featured in the video, but maybe something like a socket 754/939 PCI-E motherboard or a 775 mobo with good Windows 98/2K support.

8:22 the lower right capacitor is bulged. You should change all 5 of them.

@O_mores

15 күн бұрын

Yes, didn't see it until I did a close up. I will do a recap.

holy fucking shit

THE CPU ONLY IDLING WHOLE TIME DURING TESTING

@costelradu8023

18 күн бұрын

Not exactly idling you still need 7-800Mhz for older games to eliminate CPU bottleneck.

@O_mores

18 сағат бұрын

If you want to keep a newer CPU busy in Windows 98 you can play games like Quake, Unreal, Half Life using software rendering and they will look very nice and crisp at high resolutions.

I want to see a pass through voodoo on a 4090 next :D

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Well, I double checked all my GPUs... and it looks like I don't have any 4090 lying around. ;)

@Einimas

Ай бұрын

@@O_mores damn also whats the last vga/dvi?

@Einimas

Ай бұрын

@@O_mores somebody, donate this man some 4090's !!!

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

@@Einimas Can you be a bit more specific? :)

don't flatter the SIS Xabre 400. It was a geforce 4mx killer in Quake 3 Arena and that's about it. Nothing midrange about it :)))

@mirific87

Ай бұрын

you got a swollen capacitor on that DFI Xabre as well.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Still, Xabre 400 was a mid range card, even if this was only for a short period. You have to take in consideration what was the market in 2002: LOW END: Radeon 7000/7500/GeForce 2 MX400/GF4 MX400 SE(64bit)/Xabre 200 | Mid range: GF4-MX440 8X(128bit)/Radeon 9000/9000 PRO - Xabre 400/600 High end cards were: Radeon 9700PRO/GeForce Ti4xxx - www.ixbt.com/video2/images/xabre600/compet.png

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Yes, indeed, didn't see it until I edited this video.

@kurtwinter4422

Ай бұрын

The GeForce 4MX was GeForce 2 with NV marketing BS. It was outclassed by GeForce 3

I fried one of my FX5500's with one of these adapters. Looks like I need to do a lot more reading before trying again. Edit: I used a generic adapter, not this one.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

This adapter has like 30$ worth of extra components added just for the sake of being on the safe side.

@williamh5912

Ай бұрын

@@O_mores The one I got seemed pretty decent. It's the one with the SATA power and usb lead... I did also have it running through the EDC Beast in an attempt to get it working with a wifi slot. keen to try again but want to be sure I don't blow a brand new gpu. Was the 5500 expecting 3.3v and received 5v?

I think there is one for pci-e to AGP as well.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Yes, there is a PCI-E to AGP adapter using a PCI-E to PCI bridge chip, but it's like like 250$ on ebay. Here is a picture: imgur.com/a/ekm6hEH

@jnharton

Ай бұрын

That would be a somewhat more complex version unless you were prepared to limit the PCIe graphics card to just a single lane...

@blackIce504

Ай бұрын

@@jnharton not really as another post was mentioned there is and it does not surprise me as there was many cards with such a bridge chip as they where AGP gpu's with a PCI-e connector, as they would have been first gen and 2nd gen pci-e, yes in an ideal world you would want to limit the card to X lanes as it would not use the bandwidth provided or do what has been done recently with multi-function cards or switch chip or just use bifurcation "however bios needs to support".

@shadowopsairman1583

Ай бұрын

​@@O_moresand pci is slower than agp

How did you upscaled NFS2 SE?

@victormancini3002

Ай бұрын

I think it gets upscaled when you upload the video on KZread.

@modlabs

Ай бұрын

@@victormancini3002 unfortunately, yes. But i know that there is a way to upscale native Glide game via 3dfx Wide Driver 1.1, but i couldn't done this and want to find a solution.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

From what I know 3dfx wide driver works only with VSA-100 chips (Voodoo 4 & 5) so I can't do any further testing on my AGP Voodoo 3 2000.

does it need drivers, or is it an entirely hardware thing?

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Nope, it's 100% hardware but mostly depends on the graphics chip if it can work with AGP features disabled. 3dfx Voodoo chips are working great.

So pair i3 12400f + Asus Mobo with PCI + FX 5500 will works fine for daily use browsing youtube ?

@O_mores

26 күн бұрын

It should work, browsing KZread is limited by your CPU mainly, modern browsers won't run without SSE2 instructions so KZread is out of question for anything that it's not a Pentium 4 or AMD socket 754+ CPU.

@mikavsn

25 күн бұрын

Thanks that great, rather lying around, i used the fx 5500 on pentium 4 socket 478 before

This might sound ridiculous, but out of curiosity, what are the chances you could test ISA cards on your motherboard?

@O_mores

29 күн бұрын

It's not ridiculous at all. I have to check how if anything can be done using the TPM port. Anyway, I actually have an ATX DFI industrial motherboard www.dfi.com/product/index/305 socket 1150, USB 3 and 2 x ISA slots - but so far no one could make of use of those ISA slots in DOS or Windows. They might work under a custom VM. There not many of the boards around so far only 2-3 people have tried so far...

@bvazquez90

29 күн бұрын

@@O_mores Aah yes, I forgot motherboards like that existed which I discovered a while ago. I also came across PCI to ISA adapters online, apparently the only downside is that it cannot support DMA, It sounds difficult to pull off if you attempt to test, for example, a Gravis Ultrasound card or a Coaxial NIC, but it would make for another great video

@O_mores

29 күн бұрын

@@bvazquez90 Definitely, there will be an ISA video this year. Without DMA there is not much fun - no sound card will work (the MIDI part should work though), maybe I can unlock those two ISA ports that I have on my motherboard.

Xabre is pronounced with a z like xylophone btw Zabre - a play on sabre

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

That's what I thought, until I used Google Translate.... According to GT it is "shabre" like in shoulder...

@myne00

Ай бұрын

@@O_mores GT isn't exactly versed on the nuances of English and branding. X is typically sh in Chinese, h in Spanish, and ex or z in English. That said, it's probably a Taiwanese card, so perhaps I'm applying my English biases inappropriately. I wonder if there is video from the company at the time? An ad or promo

Those s3 cards sucked so much. I hated the one that I had so much. I'd be curious about some matrox cards those were great back in the day

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Yes, indeed. In 1998 I had an S3 Virge GX2 (released in 1997) which is basically the same as Trio 3D - and what can I say - as a teenager I was ready to trade my S3 card for literally any other card. So I ended up with a 4MB Cirrus Logic Laguna 3D AGP, which was maybe a bit better...

@arkstone

27 күн бұрын

@@O_mores I had S3 Savage 4, it was really great card. The drivers though were real problem, we had to take d3d from one version, opengl icd from another and s3 metal from 3rd. Though only Unreal and UT-98 were using S3Metal but with S3TC compressed textures they had thebest picture all around. It was sad day when VIA acquired S3 as their integrated video department. If only they had better driver developers... But great thing at the time was that nVidia licensed S3TC tech for their use.

@O_mores

27 күн бұрын

@@arkstone I had a Savage 4 too. That card ended up in a K6-2/500 PC a neighbor asked me to build for his son. (using mostly second hand parts) It was the summer of 2000. That Savage 4 was his first 3D card. Quake II, Unreal and Half Life were very playable on that PC. That kid had time of his life that summer. :)

Too bad PCI is so crap compared to AGP. Even back in the day it was a very performance limiting interface. You'll never get the full performance of the cards.

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Depends also on what type of cards are you using. For example 3dfx cards are not very affected by the bandwidth of the PCI bus. I guess that's why 3dfx released high end cards like Voodoo 5 5500 for the PCI bus as well. In practice, both PCI and AGP Voodoo 5 5500 perform almost identical. In synthetic benchmarks the AGP version is like 20% faster.

@jnharton

Ай бұрын

That's because the PCI bus was a design which shared bandwidth between the cards not unlike ISA, but it has a wider data bus and much faster speeds. The AGP bus is basically a separate, dedicated PCI bus just for the graphics chip. So it's not magically faster than PCI except that the GPU doesn't have to share access time or bandwidth. PCIe works differently and breaks the previously parallel bus into separate "lanes" which are communicated over serially and also use differential signalling iirc. Aside from the distinct advantages of serial communication it's kinda like being able to provide a dedicated PCI bus to each card except that the "width" of the bus is cut considerably.

@jnharton

Ай бұрын

@@O_mores I'd have to do some research, but having more vram on the card could enables more efficient processing of data. It might also mean that data could be transferred in a compressed form and uncompressed into vram or simply on-demand. They may also have put significant time and energy into minimizing communications between the card and the cpu by a variety of means.

@geeknproud321

Ай бұрын

@@jnharton Except at 533MB/s AGP has several times the bandwidth of PCI... so I don't know about magical but in practice it's certainly faster and higher bandwidth than PCI by ANY measure. Almost nothing uses 64 bit PCI and especially the cards shown here did not. And it's not a bus. You are limited to one AGP slot in a system because it's literally point to point.

@jnharton

Ай бұрын

@@geeknproud321 No need to be an obnoxious nitpicker. The point is that what's different isn't primarily the electrical connection or even necessarily the signaling mechanism. There is more to the PCI bus than just a slot connector, the number of bits, and the clockspeed. How it works is critical to how fast data can be transmitted along it. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port#Advantages_over_PCI P.S. You don't understand buses at all if you think they aren't also "point to point". If there is was just one card present it will be able to take advantage of most of the bandwidth usage.

Does it work with a Voodoo 5?

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

Yes, it works 100%. Here are a few pictures: sdz-mods.com/index.php/2020/06/22/pci-to-agp-adapter/ Actually Voodoo 4/5 cards are the primary target PCI to AGP adapters.

PCI шина то медленнее чем AGP, поэтому производительность и так слабой карты падает

@O_mores

Ай бұрын

It depends on whether the card needs the bandwidth provided by AGP in the first place. The PCI slot offers 1 gigabit/s transfer rate and this seems to be enough for some cards. For example, differences between the 3dfx Voodoo AGP and PCI variants are very small in reality.

@unclechayka1178

Ай бұрын

@@O_mores U also can install PCI to PCI-E card, so u could install modern PCI-E cards to the retro PC like Pentium 3 and etc. But it will work worse then AGP cards. I have an idea to install that card to my P4 PC, but idk, im not sure it will work more better then my AGP card