Pros have finally figured out the secret to playing the Abassyd : don't ever produce a single camel

If only I had a dollar for everytime Drongo compares siege to air power in WW2 :,D

@erisonveshi8406

2 жыл бұрын

I would have around 1357 dollars so far. Started keeping count after a while XD

@karlk7070

2 жыл бұрын

@@erisonveshi8406 Wow seriously?

@tsurugahex123

2 жыл бұрын

About as rich as you would be if you got a dollar every time he talked about the HRE landmark that gives you a 5 tc boom (edit for wrong civ)

@Danieljosol

2 жыл бұрын

@@tsurugahex123 lol dont you mean HRE?

@tsurugahex123

2 жыл бұрын

@@Danieljosol yep I'm dumb you're right!

Look how Viper microed against Mangoes! He spread out a half, leaving a bigger group of archers, knowing the foe gonna fire towards this part, immediately spread out after Mango fire! It's just beautiful!

The one the only, the Drongo

Would've been nice to see one or two camel archers thrown in the mix to reduce the horse archer damage by 20%

@RianDreamseeker

2 жыл бұрын

they get very easily sniped by horse archer in low numbers tho

@borisgutierrez9843

2 жыл бұрын

@@RianDreamseeker is not only for debuff, they could buff ypu own troops too

@Krozhin

2 жыл бұрын

@@RianDreamseeker you could micro them like a Khan, forcing the horse archers to pursue the camel would make it easier for spears to connect.

@barsni4779

2 жыл бұрын

They cost a bit too much for how easy they are taken out.

@partydean17

2 жыл бұрын

@@Krozhin unfortunately then you defeat half the utility of paying for the camels because they are too far away to then debuff the horse archers. Can still give +1 armour tho. I'd say honestly the terrible camel riders with the +3 ranged armour upgrades could be more useful here

Viper is such a delight to watch; the way he uses every single unit especially villagers. His decision making in cringe moments is sublime.

always surprises me how viper turns the table around everytime lol

the weakness is being viper! I'll note that down

@18:23 "spears are gonna be your fuck bois." 🤣🤣🤣 I like this commentator. He didn't use to curse in the previous tournaments.

Seeing Viper not get preservation of knowledge and then pump out those 1k upgrades in imp hurts my soul

@hgu874

2 жыл бұрын

He was going all in, maybe couldn't be bothered to take the time to research it and risk his opponent making a switch to MAA or get the siege superioty with mang

@jagosvujovic2086

2 жыл бұрын

@@hgu874 bruh he aged up with culture wing to castle age, he has literally 0 excuse for not getting it

@henrylaz8964

2 жыл бұрын

First of all, he had pretty good gold income that he can bypass efficiency. Besides, it is much easier for us as viewer to point out mistakes that the pros made. If we are in that game, i am pretty sure we wouldn't be able to micro those 110 villagers as efficiently as him. Besides, Viper is in a rush so every minute counts, thus there is no need to spend 1 more minute risking that your opponent can tech switch to MAA.

@pharaohthutmosis7803

2 жыл бұрын

@@henrylaz8964 preservation is available in feudal even if you go culture wing there instead of eco wing, biber simply forgot, pros are also human

@ruru9886

2 жыл бұрын

@@pharaohthutmosis7803 You should never really be going culture wing for feudal age unless its a water map

I would say you should think about fresh food stuffs as a food trickle of 75/150/225 food a minute depending on how many TCs you have ;)

@hafidzsiddiq9827

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed

@zilliq

2 жыл бұрын

Or around 3000 food for the whole game, Which is not a particularly strong eco boost compared to other civs imo, food is not the most valuable resource

@ikrenji8125

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not that simple. The vills you buy with the discount are also gathering resources and those extra resources gathered are thx to fresh food stuffs too

@zilliq

2 жыл бұрын

@@ikrenji8125 you would buy the villager anyway, you never stop villager production, it doesn't make extra ressources

@NomoregoodnamesD8

2 жыл бұрын

@@zilliq it means you need less vills on food to support 2 or 3 TC boom. When you go 2TC boom right out of the gates in feudal you can't afford anything else as other civs, while Abbasids can field an army or get their eco techs while they're at it

Wondering why Luciferon opted not to build a tower on his wood line

@brohvakiindova4452

2 жыл бұрын

I think he wanted to all in as fast as possible on horse archers to overwhelm viper

Finally Thanks viper for the win with Abbasid

Well played Viper, that was awesome. What a come back from what looked like it was going to be an early loss. GG, we to both

Great video as usual. Merry Christmas bro, thanks for the vids

Love this channel, been so hooked by your videos that I forgot to subscribe until now!! The Viper definitely become my favourite through all the videos I've watched here, love watching him play! Keep up the amazing content :)

its sad that not all civs have a historical hero as their main scout like mongols have

That ram ranch comment got me ahahaha

So early that this video is still in the Stone Age.

I don't understand why he kept producing a losing combo. Viper countered him the entire game when the Rus could have grabbed up some men-at-arms and countered Viper's army.

@user-ez9ng2rw9c

2 жыл бұрын

Tech switches are costly and you may just end up with no decent army for a while and just die in the meantime.

@Moaningbird

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ez9ng2rw9c still

@alexdavies7367

2 жыл бұрын

Rus don't have a good food econ to support Men, they really struggle to transition to a farm econ and don't get any benefits for it

@vesae2676

2 жыл бұрын

Viper lost every fight in the first 20 minutes. Archers don't really counter horse archers. Only at imperial he got the attack speed tech that made them actual counters. I think the real semi-hidden counter or "weakness exploit" were the spearmen who protected the siege from getting rushed by scouts. Lucifron played extremely sloppy this game. In multiple occasions he was tanking the spear dmg for no reason, losing monks and HA. Probably because he is used to be able to just out-zerg the opponent with Rus. Had he microed better he would have won before viper got to imperial. Also the villager losses were unaccepable for this level of players at 24:40. But you are also right, just something like 10 man at arms would have turned the game. I think lucifron is just used to winning with only HA that he thought he doesn't need anything else.

@vesae2676

2 жыл бұрын

Well they can support infinite horsearchers.

Awesome play. Although if the rus would have gone with knights and or MMA and maybe straliti it would have gone different i think. Just forcing viper to use gold units - since he didn't have that much gold.

at 11:50 luci sends a monk right through the front door of vipers base and takes the relic

Thank you TheViperrrrrr for another awesome Abbassid game.

How to win as tge Abbasid: 1- Be The Viper

watching horse archers makes me aggressive i dont know why but my table starts crying when its seeing an enemy rus

Merry "that day of the year" maties 🤗

If Abbasid dynasty already in age 4. Can they build the last wing (whatever wing left)? So they can get the technology benefit? Just like China which can build both landmark of age up

@toni_7035

2 жыл бұрын

Yes

Viper just casually winning with the worst civ against the strongest civ played by a top 10 player.. GOAT

@Adribird

2 жыл бұрын

Mongols disagree on the best civilization.

@user-ez9ng2rw9c

2 жыл бұрын

Dehli is probably the worst by far. But abbasid is likely to be second from the bottom.

@northenby8288

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ez9ng2rw9c Delhi’s not that bad. I think a lot of content creators overreacted when the nerf came out and declared them the worst civ. They’re still the best on hybrid maps and they’ve got some really great strengths

@user-ez9ng2rw9c

2 жыл бұрын

@@northenby8288 Stats wise, no. A recent bunch of numbers showed they are mediocre on hybrids. Best on some, worst on others. And their biggest weakness is just the fact that their imp is dead on arrival unless they already have a large lead. Abbasid is probably second worst, but I think Dehli takes the cake in the category

@neothypp

2 жыл бұрын

@@user-ez9ng2rw9c Delhi is one of the best CIV in the game. Not by their average stats units or specific economic boost - their infantry can build wall, so they can shape the map to their advantage since dark age. Usually a good delhi stay longer than other CIV in dark/feodal age to control the map and all key locations which consequently counter opponent's fast castle age strategy.

Chinese and Abbasid are practically unstoppable forces at late game. Their economy is INSANE. You only need to know how to play with them.

i just love the wins in your book

why viper not putting 1 or 2 camels near his infantry for the bonuses :/

Gotta mix in a few camels into your composition for those auras.

@zaganim3813

2 жыл бұрын

camels get sniped and are just expensive, all that gold you sink in to just get those camels to work is bleh

12:00 Lucifron sneaks the relic. Watch the minimap.

is there still no option to change the colors for your team?

Might as well call it the viper channel

I mean why build the high armoury if you need to hold sacred sites? build spasskaya

keep posting the abbasid videos I love them

do you mind showing the income per min. a little more often?

Viper is a beast

This channel became a viper channel

Wins with the most underpowered civ against the most OP civ.. The Viper needs to be nerfed

@rickf6375

2 жыл бұрын

Tbh abbasid > delhi still

@wademichalski768

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickf6375 not on water

@202adr

2 жыл бұрын

@@wademichalski768 or king of the hill

@hafidzsiddiq9827

2 жыл бұрын

@@rickf6375 tbh Abbasid 7th delhi 8th

@definitelynotthecia4998

2 жыл бұрын

Mongols unquestionably most OP and Abbasid are 6 or 7. Still impressive tho.

it takes one of the best players in the game to make abbasid playable

Almost as if bowmen were intended counters for cavalry archers?

Why is Luciferon not massing mmA with Mangonels after he saw Viper was literally just making Archers and Pikes???? Like dude, just because you go fast Castle on Rus, doesnt mean that somebody is holding a gun to ur head forcing you to build only Horse Archer and Scouts the ENTIRE GAME for absolutely no reason. Drag a couple vills onto gold, my goodness.... Make a few Barracks and pop out mmA. 11:42 Breaks the wall and ignores picking up the Relic. What....why? Also went Age IV and didnt built the Landmark right by the Siege workshop. Didn't expect this number of mistakes from Luciferon.

Everything is good in moderation. I love Rus mechanics until they get overused. Bounty? Unique, but it turned early game into cursed game of venison tag. Horse archers? Interesting, but it turned into mindless spam game. Can't wait for the next thing getting perverted.

@CrumpetsNBiscuits

2 жыл бұрын

inb4 english bowman civilian rush

@barsni4779

2 жыл бұрын

@@CrumpetsNBiscuits 've been waiting for it when they announced civ perks to be honest. Hoang british vils.

I just want my ludicriously large maps back ;-; with aoe 4 it wouidl be so awesome

Still no camels. Hope they get buffed sometime

@henrylaz8964

2 жыл бұрын

The ranged camel is ok, people casually mix them for armor buff/cavalry debuff. But the melee is stupid. It does 11 melee damage to everything else aside cavalry which is ridiculously low considering the cost. And when people want a melee unit that counter cavalry, they 'd rather build spearmen.

@Herakleion

2 жыл бұрын

@@henrylaz8964 I think they are extremely overpriced.

You mean being sensible to early rush wasn't a weakness?

This is exactly the kind of game that underlines Relics strategy of not hotfixing everything that is considered "OP" by some very loud people in the community. Let players figure out counter-strategies instead of this patching everything instantly. The game is still new, not much figured out, strategies and approaches constantly in flux. If something proves to be a problem for an extended time period, of course it needs a patch. But remeber before Genesis, it felt like everybody was whining about french bein OP? And then they got a losing record in that tournament by a lot? Because good players figured out good counters.

Fresh food stuff makes villagers, which are an economy unit since they are workers/labour, cheaper. That's basically the definition of "economic" upgrade.

@caspuchiha

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah but like he said it doesn't really scale in the late game. Villagers gathering x % faster will have more of an impact later. But I would still agree that it is an economic upgrade

@zilliq

2 жыл бұрын

French and chinese bonus to villagers scale much better because they produce villagers faster, cheaper villagers is equivalent to giving a slight food bonus, thus it doesn't feel like a real economic bonus. It's basically giving Abassyd 3000 free food during the whole game, which isn't much all things considered

Truth is it’s just assets and animation doing damage. Could change it to tank or plane and it could still be the same

Jez Luiz

Horse archers counter springalds lets be real

Putin isn't happy.

Im still a noob but why doesn't viper use camels if he's going against mainly horses? dont camels hard counter horses?

@zilliq

2 жыл бұрын

Too expensive and easy to snipe

@deusvult9439

2 жыл бұрын

On paper yeah in reality not really, they could be good for the boost tho

derp derp i will make only horse archers and not get any mangonels when i had a decent lead. derp

Trash comp and springalds counter Rus. Will remember this.

@MrAnonymous00100

2 жыл бұрын

More like Rus side make too much mistake.

@hafidzsiddiq9827

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrAnonymous00100 more like it's viper

@vesae2676

2 жыл бұрын

@@hafidzsiddiq9827 Viper played really well but let's be honest, lucifron made a crap ton of mistakes.

@deusvult9439

2 жыл бұрын

@@vesae2676 Yeah 50/50

I rly like playing the Abassids they are fun civ to play but the friking camels bro sooo weak by the time you manage with all the upgrades and stuff to make them worthy Ruś Player gonna invent nuke and blast you like its nothing sadge

I don't understand why these "pro" players choose the culture wing, and then don't research preservation of knowledge. Especially against Rus, it would help so much to play Military Wing instead and get additional armor your Archers while reducing the Horse Archer damage. Anyone can come up with this conclusion. What these pro players are doing doesn't make sense.

@Craysus

2 жыл бұрын

he probably just forgot

@zaganim3813

2 жыл бұрын

camel archers are expensive as heck, he will never match the numbers of the rus horse archer + scout spam. and if he builds too few camel archers they just get sniped

@zaganim3813

2 жыл бұрын

games are more than stats in a vacuum

@zilliq

2 жыл бұрын

@@zaganim3813 he didn't mention camel archers though, he was talking about armor upgrade for archers

@deusvult9439

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah he probably forgot the preservation of knowledge lol, there is no good reason to skip it

Why does Viper always get so badly outnumbered?

@caiotiedt9207

2 жыл бұрын

Greed

First

@michieltheoverkade2380

2 жыл бұрын

no you're not

@geoffreyallen9314

2 жыл бұрын

First