This isn’t about “aviation” quality control - it’s about *Boeing* quality control. No other manufacturer consistently has such dramatic - often catastrophic - problems.

@bigboybuilder

6 ай бұрын

ULA's (half Boeing) moon lander was just lost so I agree

@antoniotesic8052

6 ай бұрын

​@@bigboybuilderThat lander was produced by astrobotic not by ULA, ULA just makes the rocket and that part was successful

@boa721

6 ай бұрын

Inspections aren't taken seriously, by some inspectors. On a daily basis. Ask me how I know!!

@biz0r07

6 ай бұрын

its also about regulations and a lack of proper inspection....Boeing is too buddy buddy with them. They need more teeth to put boeing in their place.

@robertsanders7060

6 ай бұрын

@@boa721 How do you know?

Boeing started it's long, agonizing, often tragic decline when the original Engineers were either forced out or left in disgust & "Businessmen" took over the management of the company.

@DrVVVinK

6 ай бұрын

it started it's decline when it bought McDonnell Douglas, at the time their biggest competition.

@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1

6 ай бұрын

@@DrVVVinKThe ironic thing is the higher ups of McDonnell Douglas became the higher up of Boeing They say McDonnell Douglas bought Boeing with Boeing money lol

@DrVVVinK

6 ай бұрын

@@RANDOMZBOSSMAN1 Did not know that. But it explains a lot.

@AV8R-RWY32

6 ай бұрын

The book "Flying Blind: The 737 MAX Tragedy and the Fall of Boeing" by Peter Robinson is a great review of EXACTLY what went wrong re: putting business and profits over quality, and thus LIVES, and how it was this exact merger that was the beginning of the end. Its so sad to see something so good and so passionate rot away from the inside out :(

@robwyyi

6 ай бұрын

This is where facts matter. MD was ran by financiers long before it combined with Boeing. Hence MD control went to financiers with its exit of commercial a/c manufacturer at MD. Holding to the more profitable defense contracts.

Boeing is a good example of what happens when you let business economists lead such a company instead of engineers.

@kaseyc5078

6 ай бұрын

Or when DEI takes over a company

@papaleyo

6 ай бұрын

​@@kaseyc5078how did you manage to relate this to DEI exactly?

@RT-mm8rq

6 ай бұрын

​@@papaleyo When people are hired into a company to fulfill DEI requirements instead of having the right qualifications.

@bobbybombo

6 ай бұрын

But how did you get to this conclusion. You're just showing how hateful you are. Boeing made the decision to outsource the production of various parts of the plane to countries like Japans, Italy, etc. This is where the quality control issues began to crop up.

@cremebrulee4759

6 ай бұрын

Exactly.

We flew in a Boeing Max brand new and it had broken air conditioning nobs. I said to my husband this is brand new, the question is what else isn't working ? One week later this happens. Clearly Boeing Max has quality control problems.

credit to the passengers and crew. If it is Boeing I aint going

@TheTwangKings

6 ай бұрын

Don't kid yourself. No airplane is 100% safe.

@skunkmakgakga

6 ай бұрын

​@@TheTwangKingsbut Airbus isn't shitting the bed at the moment like an American co.

@alessandropbr

6 ай бұрын

@@TheTwangKings Nothing is a 100% safe, but Boeing is clearly only concerned only with profits and shareholders at this point.

@MrGrandure

6 ай бұрын

I feel the same way about lot lizards. Lot lizards seem to be more safe than boeing products as of late. I cant use a condom to get out of death on a 737 max ​@TheTwangKings

@TheTwangKings

6 ай бұрын

LOL! a good one. I saw one the other day, asked me if I smoked. That must be the code word or something. Not many where I live!@@MrGrandure​

From an engineering point of view, you wonder why the "plug" is applied from the outside and not from the inside where ist is pressed against the frame by the interior pressure. When windows are replaced with plugs, for instance, during the conversion from passenger to cargo aircraft, they are mounted from the inside, and they simply cannot physically fly out like that because they are bigger than the hole they are closing. From a safety point of view, shouldn't all of those planes be put through a complete revision? Nobody knows where else crucial manufacturing blunders have occurred as obviously Boeing is not capable anymore of guranteeing the integrity of their manufacturing and quality assurance processes. Nor is the FAA who has miserably failed again to exercise their oversight over such things.

@petergrant9259

6 ай бұрын

A good question, but the answer lies in the fact the framing around the plug is made for an emergency exit, and the engineers at Boeing came up with the least costly way to keep all the door opening builds the same. It also allows for a emergency door to be added later if an airline chooses to increase the seating numbers. Yes Boeing has QC issue, and most stem from removing I points (Inspection points) along the build process. All about corporate greed and CEO's making millions if they cut costs.

@Dubinski2382

6 ай бұрын

The design is meant to deceive passengers who might notice that they are sitting in front of a hole that the airline purposely put in the fuelselage to save money. Why in the world would you buy a brand new airplane WITH A HOLE IN THE SIDE?!?! The answer appears to be because it made the fuelselage a few bucks cheaper.

@aliasif8498

6 ай бұрын

That's an extremely important point and it should obviously b installed from inside so there is no chance of this happening

@mingouczjcz3800

6 ай бұрын

Maybe in emergence exit situations, outside plug fitting makes more sense. Usually workers or mechanics use automatic torque tighteners/wrenches to tighten the bolts, exacting the engineering torque specifications. I'm puzzled why there still has loose bolt issue.

@user-yt198

6 ай бұрын

It is a design flaw. I am sure NTSB will address this issue at their final report. Another point: Why are these plugs required in the first place? Most of the customers do not need dense seat configuration. You open a hole in the fuselage and then try to close it. Extra failure point. Don't tell me the story that second hand owners may want to change the seat configuration. Who does that and why Boeing should care?

This is what happens when you let an airline company do it's own safety inspections.

@brandonbrown4819

6 ай бұрын

Boeing has one option on this situation with the MAX- they may have to go to having two inspectors signing off critical installations or maint! the 747, 777, 757, 767, 787 all have very good safety records but the Max is the lion share of their commercial Airline business now!!

@fgbae8220

6 ай бұрын

@@brandonbrown4819 i saw the pictures of the loose bolts and to be honest, i doubt any inspector looked at the installation and approved it AT ALL. You can literally spot the loose bolts by just looking at them.

@brandonbrown4819

6 ай бұрын

@@fgbae8220 I hate to admit it, but you're probably right- on the critical installation the Inspection was probably pencil wipped!

@emb3rzzz

6 ай бұрын

exactly the FAA needs to have a backbone and not let the large manufacturers to do their own inspections

@pfefferle74

6 ай бұрын

Then you probably don't want to know how the medical device industry operates. Least even what a 510k is.

The entire 737 Max fleet needs to be checked.

@kennogawa6638

6 ай бұрын

I didn't say ground it but the bolts need to be checked on the entire 737 Max Fleet.

@thompsonmatthew

6 ай бұрын

​​@@Bluestreak589Aside from MCAS ditching the plane into the ground without pilot command, and loose bolts decompressing the aircraft at high altitude - one wonders what other hidden defects there may be on these aircraft? Wait and see I guess.

@kennogawa6638

6 ай бұрын

What about the Max 10.

@boa721

6 ай бұрын

@@Bluestreak589 its not for Ryan air.. its for planes of more then 185 passangers i think it is, the configuration the customer orders depends on the door/ plug used.

@judithscharnweber117

6 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠@@thompsonmatthew There was another news channel which showed an interview with a former manager and whistleblower from Boeing who said that there was a united flight just about a month ago where they had a single engine failure just after 30 hours or so that the plane was in use. And another one which lost all electric power just after take off and that one was just delivered the evening before by Boeing… That’s pretty concerning if you ask me. And yes the MCAS was a disaster which they wouldn’t have needed if they had developed a proper new plane instead of rushing to keep up with the competition and just modifying an old reliable one.

What else has been missed on all of the MAX airplanes? Boeing has lost all quality control. The new Air Force tanker had major issues also. Upon receipt of the new aircraft the Air Force does an acceptance inspection and they found tools left in the aircraft behind panel. A major issue called FOD.

@MrGrandure

6 ай бұрын

I heard about this. Go Boeing!!!

@Paul1958R

6 ай бұрын

Boeing debacles: 737MAX, KC-46, T-7A, Starliner - all at taxpayer expense. Please read about how Boeing management cut 900 - _nine hundred_ - quality inspector jobs in 2019-2020. Please read about lawsuit against Spirit Aerosystems (Boeing subcontractor really run by Boeing). Full disclosure: as recently as 10 years ago I was a huge Boeing fan boy. My father flew Boeing planes in WW2 (he was a B-29 navigator). They are not the same company they once were.

No. Cost cutting is making flying less safe

@GH-oi2jf

6 ай бұрын

It’s an illusion, though. I don’t think having two airliners crash with no survivors is cutting costs. Having your bread and butter product grounded for more than a year is not cost cutting.

@harishs9003

6 ай бұрын

Airbus A320 neo and subsequent development of max series is making air travel dangerous

My bicycle mechanic has more safety standards than Boeing😂😂😂

I think they need a whole company restructuring. It’s clear the CEO and rest of management are trying to cut costs when they should be focused on their engineers.

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

They need to get back to robust training of engineers. Except almost all the people who knew what that meant are gone/retired now.

I wonder what sort of quality control check the FAA did after the LionAir and Ethiopian crashes and further grounding? We were told this would now be the “safest plane aloft”. Looks like they couldn’t even screw a door on right.

@AshrakAhmed

6 ай бұрын

Both were non Western Airlines so a lot of people and Boeing fanbois still believe it was pilot error that cause the crash! they have disregard it with excuse like: - the pilot were not experienced or better trained to deal with emergency, - Western "white" pilots are better trained so this would never happened in West - those planes were not maintained properly, - China actively try to make Boeing look bad by pushing for ban to make Comac look as a better investment etc. So when you go into something with that type of mindset that it was not fully your screw up, your work to fix it will still suffer from flaws and you won't fix other bad practices of careless work.

@DeathyAS

6 ай бұрын

It’s a different model. Those were the max 8 model. This is occurring on the max 9. The max 9 is a bigger plane - about 10ft longer than the max 8.

@AshrakAhmed

6 ай бұрын

@DeathyAS same forward set Leap large engine with low body and MCAS system. It's just longer, so more cattle class sit and cramp toilet.

@lani6647

6 ай бұрын

@@DeathyAS You are aware that the 737 MAX 9 also carried the MCAS system, and was also grounded for recertification? These planes were all supposed to have been gone over with a fine tooth comb by the FAA. Yet, they didn’t even bother to take a second look. It’s a sh1tshow. Corruption all round.

The FAA must require every board member of Boeing to fly in the seat by the hole they put in their brand new airplane.

@rjaquaponics9266

6 ай бұрын

That might keep 737 Max from crashing. Some one must have done something right, It lost a plugged door and it didn't crash! i.e. saved lives! The most important goal is to save lives, money is replaceable people are not!

@Dubinski2382

6 ай бұрын

@@rjaquaponics9266 They made a hole in their plane so they could plug it. Tell me what school of engineering teaches that?

@DontUputThatEvilOnMe

6 ай бұрын

@@Dubinski2382it was a manufacturing decision because there are versions of this plane that have a door there instead.

@stevezelaznik5872

6 ай бұрын

I remember hearing that China forced all its computer programers who worked on the Y2K bug to take a flight on Jan 1st, 2000. That’s one way to have skin in the game.

@Dubinski2382

6 ай бұрын

@@stevezelaznik5872 I actually think the Chinese forced boeing to add the extra doors too. Just read about that. Lion Air.

The WHOLE Fleet Top to Bottom needs to be inspected

@wjatube

6 ай бұрын

Boeing is going to die a death of a thousand cuts due to this fleet. It should've been scrapped years ago when it was just going to be a billion dollar problem. God forbid if a tragic fatal accident happens again it could bankrupt them. At some point legal teams for their customers (the airlines) need to decide if they want to continue with the mounting risk lawsuits could bring. Sadly, this could be the downfall of an American company that will probably be bailed out by our federal govt but the damage could be done and Airbus would secure all their customers while they are re-organizing.

Dont forget about the current ongoing rudder bolt issue on the 737 MAX

ITS OBVIOUS THAT THE MANUFACTURING QUALITY STANDARD OF BOEING HAS DROPPED TO ITS LOWEST LEVEL

They were so lucky that this happened during the climb with the fasten your seat belts sign still on. Dozens of passengers would fly out of that plane.

The big worry is what other bolts or parts in Boeing 737s are shoddily installed?

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

Good point

Note that flight crews from earlier flights on the same plane kept reporting pressurization issues and the maintenance crews could not locate the cause.

7:37 I'm no aviation expert but I strongly disagree with the ridiculously simplistic characterization of rivets vs bolts for plug. Watch videos that show the door plug rails, stops, hinges, bolts, etc.

@DoubleMonoLR

6 ай бұрын

I agree, he really should've read up on it before being interviewed. Using rivets seems more likely to *introduce* potential problems in this case.

A nice presentation of why "cutting red tape" and regulations would be a bad thing.

Wow. Da hatte der Mann Glück, dass das Flugzeug nicht mit der Tür ins Haus gefallen ist. 0:44

Maybe the FAA needs to put independent QA inspectors into Boeing assembly plants?

@GH-oi2jf

6 ай бұрын

I think that’s a good idea, but Boeing should pay for them.

@aktchungrabanio6467

6 ай бұрын

Do you think it-s possible @@GH-oi2jf

@edystvumdb

6 ай бұрын

they don't have the money 😂😂😂

@camf7522

6 ай бұрын

@@edystvumdb …Boeing would have to pay , fee for service

Boeing moved their headquarters to Chicago to get away from engineering and production across the street in Washington State. Boeing is run by financial people concerned primarily with the bottom line.

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

I don’t think they’re in Chicago now, rather Virginia, but yes that was one factor in Boeing’s demise.

MD/Boeing is getting a real lesson in how far you can push efficiency over safety when assembling safety-critical hardware. Let‘s see if management can respond.

When bean counters take over a company, this is what happens. It's sad to see a formerly great aviation company like Boeing, going down the toilet.

@ricardocosson1105

6 ай бұрын

true true

Lose bolts, really? how nice, that make me really curious to fly with Boeing. I like surprises....

@RoundBaguette

6 ай бұрын

​@@Dispenser_fandomreal like santa

@wimbletone1

6 ай бұрын

A BIG PRODUCTION PROBLEM THAT KILLS BUT COMPANY THINKS IT SAVES THEM MONEY

I am simply not flying Boeing. I have a choice and ill exercise it.

When are Boeing Executives going to jail?

This aircraft was also operating on the secondary pressurization controller - a brand new aircraft!

It's more than a Boeing problem. It's an American problem. Companies push the government for less regulation and this is just the beginning. Think about pharmaceuticals, food products, nuclear plants, and artificial intelligence.

@jeancharlesmeffe8333

6 ай бұрын

So true

Airbus doesn't seem to be having problems.... 🤔

@lani6647

6 ай бұрын

They probably don’t have Dr Moneygrabbah as CEO.

@RandomGuy9

6 ай бұрын

​@@lani6647Hopefully Boeing neither in the near future.

Now Alaska Airlines is reporting that it has found additional planes with loose bolts as well.

@lindafukuyu5767

6 ай бұрын

Check the whole aircraft not just bolts.

I am also concerned about the erased cockpit voice recorder

Damn… Boeing going out of their way to prove to the world of aviation that they are still incompetent…😅🤭

The question is how many more nuts and bolts are loose and need to be tightened !

Title is wrong, should be "is boeing quality control insuffiecent?" and the answer is yes. I saw the pictures of the loose bolts, and you can literally see that they are not fastened, its so obvious even a blind person could figure it out. Blows my mind how this can happen, there seems to be no more quality control AT ALL Im an trained aircraft mechanic and im blown away and really cant make sense off how this could happen. Its almost like its done on purpose.

@fgbae8220

6 ай бұрын

@@phillipbanes5484 there is a difference in manufacturing defects and quality control of installed components. It's not like a part of the plane failed because it had a defect - it just wasn't installed correctly. Loose bolts that you can spot easily by just looking at them sure sounds like no one ever looked at it after said bolts were installed but just signed that the work was done. And yes, especially in the aviation industry we learn from mistakes that were made - but dude it's 2024 and multiple loose bolts on multiple planes should just not happen anymore. As a mechanic yourself, have you seen the picture with the loose bolts? Now imagine yourself installing these. How incompetent does one have to be to not notice the loose bolts after you are done as a mechanic? And how did an inspector not see it either?

@RandomGuy9

6 ай бұрын

I think its an aviation problem because of the FFA failures too. It's not just Boeing that messed up.

@fgbae8220

6 ай бұрын

@@RandomGuy9 don't really know many other plane manufacturers that had 2 brand new planes fly into the ground or loose doors like Boeing. So no, I disagree. It's a quality control issue at Boeing. And it's been known for a while. But I guess it's profit over safety nowadays

It’s entirely possible that the bolts were correctly installed and inspected at the factory which would lead down to a defect in the design. Perhaps the design allows pressure cycling, thermal cycling, and/or vibration to cause the bolts to shear or come loose. If thats the case, Boeing and FAA will need to understand the root cause, correction, correction validation, and fleet implementation before these craft fly again. Further, they need to check aircraft with the actual emergency doors to determine if the problem exists there as well. This may cause expansion of the grounded fleet.

@walli6388

6 ай бұрын

Ford has a similar problem. My brother's car lost its engine on the highway because the screws vibrated out...

Scandalous.Companies putting profit over human life.

Make the inspectors use the planes they are inspecting every now and then. Inspections will be quite thorough.

Reminds me of the o-ring failure on the Space Shuttle

Loose bolts in the door panels of the 737 is akin to a surgeon leaving tools inside the patient after the patient is sewn up. 😂

Why only checking the 737Max9 ? The 737Max8-200 used by Ryanair is equipeed with the same emergency exit door. Nobdy talks about it.

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

It doesn’t have a door plug because it must have the emergency exit to qualify for the 200

The McDonald Douglas Management that merged with Boeing in the '90s really wrecked the company

@user-yt198

6 ай бұрын

They merged in 1997.

I’ve worked in Boeing Structures Engineering for 3 decades. The company has gone to the dogs. The company just wants to outsource as much work as possible to cheaper labor and the training of new people is horrible. Engineering quality looks like slop. Continuous fixing of engineering that has manufacturing issues. While fixing one problem on one hand, another error is then made on the other hand. It’s a clown show. I’ve complained for the past 15 plus years how quality has deteriorated but management never addresses it. They don’t look at the work. Just hanging on till I can retire in a few years.

Improper fasteners, improper torque values, lack of supervision, and a lack of proper leadership IS a major issue at Boeing...

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

Yep

IF ITS BOEING IAM NOT GOING

Reuters: "At its Renton, Washington, plant, Boeing typically removes the pop-out, or non-functioning, door and uses the gap to load interiors. Then, the part is put back and the installation in [sic] completed. Finally, the hull is pressurized to 150% to make sure everything is working correctly"

So, safety with aircraft will only get worse since investors "demand" "Dividends."

@GH-oi2jf

6 ай бұрын

Unsafe aircraft are not good for dividends.

It's pretty hard to understand how this could have happened unless at least two, maybe all four, of the retaining bolts were missing entirely. Especially on a brand new plane.

@RandomGuy9

6 ай бұрын

They probably worked under immense time pressure and left some out.

@GH-oi2jf

6 ай бұрын

I think they were all missing entirely.

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

Could have been there but improperly fastened or type of bolt inadequate for the function.

It appears that Boeing forgot how to make airplanes.

In early 2018 I watched a shocking documentary on the apparent creepy practices going on at Boeing plane factories, like hand pull stretching long runs of copper wiring cut slightly too short, as one example. (yikes!). All this, just months before the MAX disasters happened.

I think Boeing need to forget the bottom line for a few years and instead, solely focus on their manufacturing quality. People are losing their trust in Boeing, especially the Max.

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

And focus on engineering quality because it is poor and many manufacturing issues result from that.

The expert from Hamburg 5:50 attributes the problem to the "production phase" and related quality control, and not to the "construction phase" by which I think he means engineering design (of both airframe and it manufacturing process) which has its own assurance or quality management systems. What I find even scarier is that maybe there were also problems in engineering design and engineering quality management. He mentions that the extended fuselage of the MAX-9 is based on the NG variant 737-900ER. Because it can carry up to 220 passengers, it requires an additional emergency evacuation exit between wing and tail. But operators (like Alaska Air and United) who employ a multi-class seating arrangement do not need this. And yet the fuselage is built with a hole, that gets fitted with a door for some customers (usually low-cost carriers with a single-class seating arrangement) or with a plug. Perhaps there were problems with the design of the plug itself, perhaps the bolts and other fastenings specified were inadequate for the requirement. Or maybe the whole idea of just bolting on a plug was a bad idea, something sturdier could have been used (rivets? like the rest of the fuselage). The MAX-9 may have just inherited a solution from the NG generation 737-900ER, and maybe that inheritance should have been questioned more. Or maybe even the NG version is defective and these planes have been flying around for over a decade with a potential blowout and we have just been lucky. The NTSB investigation of this MAX-9 major accident will eventually determine a root cause, or several. If Boeing's engineering organization is partly responsible, not just Boeing and Spirit Aerosystems' production organizations, it indicates a deep problem with Boeing that persists 5 years after engineering defects caused the two fatal MAX crashes. The MAX-9 had its Entry Into Service after the crashes, if I recall correctly. I don't know what the remedy is for a flawed engineering organization, but the initial information suggests Boeing has still not made some of the changes it should have made after the fatal MAX crashes.

@GH-oi2jf

6 ай бұрын

The plug is sturdy, provided all the parts are present and properly installed.

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

You are right to question if the engineering design is adequate. A plug in itself is not a bad concept provided the engineering of it is sound. Rivets are not used in every other part of a plane. An assortment of fastener types are used for various applications. A plug like this would require removable fasteners whereas rivets are intended for permanent attachments.

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

You are right too that Boeing Engineering does have some deep issues.

*Are regulators really doing their job right? This incident could have been really catastrophic. Boeing needs to get their acts together.*

@fjuvo

6 ай бұрын

It's been proven that the US regulator doesn’t check anything and they just rely on the manufacturers' promises. And the European regulator copies what the American one does

American Airlines fleet is barely holding together.

@brandonbrown4819

6 ай бұрын

??? doing fine at American

What I don't understand is how greedy you have to be to prioritize share primacy and aggressively pursue profits at the cost of safety, yet you produce a product(s) that only literally ONE other company does worldwide and your product is so much in demand that you will be making planes for the next 10 yrs just to fulfill orders already made by airline customers. These things sell themselves, just make the properly ffs!! This is a psychopathic level of greed

Boeing in name only. The company hasn't been the same since the merger. Now quality takes a back seat to profit. This model of plane has spent more time grounded than flying.

I wonder when United say that they found loose bolts, do they mean they found bolts without a cotter pin? After all, these bolts, at least the top ones, are not load-bearing, they just prevent the plug from sliding up. In this regard the question "is this a structural problem" sounds particularly uninformed.

*This is the outcome when all you care about is how to maximize profit with any means "necessary"*

But cutting costs while screwing customers is the American way

Ban Boeing airplanes in the EU (i wish 😯).

@Paul_C

6 ай бұрын

You, as a passenger, can fly on Airbus. Simply book a flight on an airline that only flies Airbus.

@RuiLeTubo

6 ай бұрын

@@Paul_C you bet!😁

@RandomGuy9

6 ай бұрын

That would raise flight prices by a lot.

@HellStr82

6 ай бұрын

@@RandomGuy9 life is precious mate

@GH-oi2jf

6 ай бұрын

If that were done, there would probably be retaliation. It is better if we all try to get along. We all should want Boeing to clean up their act.

There are subcontractors who live this culture of malfeasance in order to meet production goals and on-time delivery. I’ve seen subcontractors who profess to have regular and random drug screening and yet the only screening that happens is when the employee begins employment. I’ve seen subcontractors buy off inspections remotely without ever having seen the part or parts that have been submitted to them. I worked in the aircraft for almost ten years and I can easily say that there are many airplanes in the air that I’d call “maybes.” As such when I fly I try to select flights using airbus. The inspection and verification process in this country is extremely broken. Inspections can often be “negotiated” with those who are responsible for signing off on parts and pieces and this is unconscionable in my opinion.

The main problem with Boeing is that they have a production plant in South Carolina.Most southerners don't know anything about airplanes.I am a properly licensed aircraft mechanic and I can't get a job even at Lockheed Martin.I have 3 years of schooling and 4 years experience in aircraft maintenance.Something is serious wrong in world.

La meilleure publicité pour Airbus, c'est Boeing qui la fait.

How many bolts are used within the entire aircraft, and how many more might be loose? How big is this problem?

@RandomGuy9

6 ай бұрын

Not as big as it sounds. But loose screws on a plane could indicate that they worked half-hearted on other more critical parts too.

@DoubleMonoLR

6 ай бұрын

@@RandomGuy9 There have also been previous assembly problems, and loose bolts have already been found on other planes after the FAA required airlines to inspect planes with the same arrangement.

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

Millions of fasteners of various types assemble an aircraft.

Why ist the other parts of the airplane being checked? Is there any reason incorrect assembly wouldn't affect other parts of the airplane?

Instead of expensive quality control, it is enough to provide each passenger with a parachute and this should improve flight safety. However, it cannot be a parachute manufactured by Boeing.

The question is: Is only the 737 MAX affected or are other types also affected?

There's a documentary on KZread about one of Boeing surprisers making substandard rivets. And Boeing is still in business. Looks like corruption or the desire to keep jobs stops Boeing from being punished

They showed production problems in the Netflix documentary. I guess NTSB doesn’t have a Netflix sub.

Don’t get on a Boeing airplane built in South Carolina.

@RandomGuy9

6 ай бұрын

How can I know where it was built?

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

@@RandomGuy9they only assemble some of the 787s

1st class workers and and a high level of quality inspection are expensive and Boeing isn't prepared to pay for that.

The four bolts that haven't been found yet have a castlated nut on them. These wont be torque loaded as that could mean the holes that the split pin goes through might not be lined up. also the nut is there to stop the bolt from falling out, so some of them might be loose, but this should not be a problem.

@bluethunder1951

6 ай бұрын

Totally agree, any castle nut that I’ve ever put on usually get torqued to spec then backed off to the first slot to line up with the hole going through the threads for the cotter pin to go through. Most likely but just guessing, that the cotter pins are getting broken off with the plug moving under turbulence and pressurization events, the broken cotter pins then don’t do anything to stop the nut from coming off.

Whenever you hear about plane disasters its always a Boeing, how they are still allowed to operate is baffling.

Airlines are checking Boeing Max 900 series aircraft in the USA only around two door panels, and have found some aircraft with loose bolts and missing cotter pins on a few aircraft. What would they find if they checked the whole aircraft??

In case of fault leading to a crash, return to Boeing with proof of purchase for warranty exchange

Like Trump said if you want less Covid, test less for Covid. CEO’s and their minions looking for hefty bonuses make it so as to check less for non quality.

Why media is treating Boeing, the SECOND bigger airplane maker (yes, for some years now), as representing the whole industry? Airbus hasn't have groundings, allarming finds or incidents in years, Embraer is considered a golden standard to follow, ATR have been praised over and over. Stop generalizing, it is a BOEING problem, not an aviation problem.

@GH-oi2jf

6 ай бұрын

Airbus has had multiple emergency landings in the past year, but they don’t get much coverage. Two were for hydraulic failure.

The Airbus A320 neo is sold in same segment as this 737 max, and it has had no such issues at all. It's such. Smooth sailing plane too.

Absolutely right

Just frightening

i heard of 5 or 6 empty seats, 2 were adjacent to the failed plug, did they have an inkling, cos if true that was quite a coincidence

I thought they would retire the Max name after the 2 Max 8 crashes.

Would like to review the FMEA"s and Cotrol Plans.

That door damages the garden, they owe at least $200 million

The problem is here in India except indigo airlines, all other major airlines buying 737 Max planes😢, please Boeing, plz give us good quality products, hundreds and thousands of planes, Indian airlines will buy.don't risk our lives in jeopardy😢

@Werewolf0216

6 ай бұрын

India is buying Boeing planes because Boeing opened a so-called “design center” there were hundreds of formerly U.S. jobs are now there where they can’t even go out to the factory to see the plane that they’re doing design work on.

The real questions is why has the FAA allowed things to get so relaxed at Boeing? The whole Max design has been lacking FAA oversight. The FAA gave Boeing the green light to self certify the development and production of the Max line. It's the FAA's mission to promote safety for the flying public. How did the FAA get so relaxed with Boeing to allow such things to happen?

@ellaella5537

6 ай бұрын

Check who works for the FAA, they are mostly all connected to Boeing.

What else is "loose" on Boeings.

Let's just refuse to fly on a Boeing plane?

Loose rudder bolts and door plug bolts, then every bolt needs to be checked.

I wish someone would clarify what the safety margin is regarding these "safety- bolts". How many bolts can fail before the door will blow out? 2, or 3? How many bolts can fail before before something like this can happen?

@GH-oi2jf

6 ай бұрын

The bolts are not under high load, so should not fail at all. One bolt should keep the plug door in place. Most likely, there were no bolts in this door, in my opinion.

Lug-nut torque is supposed to be checked/verified by 2 mechanics. Something this critical should have been checked by 2 people.

There is no need for cancelled flights. Bring back the MD80s and 717s from the desert into Service!

My goodness!

They better give passengers sitting near exits to wear parachutes.

@TheTwangKings

6 ай бұрын

Parachutes should be mandatory on all flights 😂

If the bolts have been loose they need to replaced . And check brackets and mounts for stress cracks,??

BOEING? NAH MAN I AINT GOING!

People used to prefer seats near to exit, now they will avoid it.

@Pcarnevaaa

6 ай бұрын

You will exit alright. Exit right out the plane at 13000 feet. “Sorry folks looks like this flight is overbooked and we took off already so I guess we will activate the ejection exit row seats. So long everyone else!” - United Airlines