Adolph Reed is a national treasure; Joy Reid, an embarrassment.

@malikshabazz2065

2 жыл бұрын

so true

@christiogal

2 жыл бұрын

*a national embarrassment

@badendhappy2903

2 жыл бұрын

Joyless REEEE

He helped me see that anti racism was too easily adopted by corporations because it didn't challenge key power centers. All its asking for is diversity among the rich.

@frostreaver1

2 жыл бұрын

The CIA killed MLK because his message began to shift towards addressing the inequality between the rich and poor in the nation. Look up the last speech he gave before his assassination, "I have been to the mountaintop"

@rettro6578

2 жыл бұрын

Helped me to see this too.

@mrtriffid

2 жыл бұрын

You have expressed the core of the issue beautifully!

@leonardwitucke1

2 жыл бұрын

@@frostreaver1 And MLK watched and laughed as a woman was raped in front of him. He is no hero.

@AliciaAmbrosia

2 жыл бұрын

Is anti-racism only asking for diversity among the rich? What corporations adopted (from what we can see) is optics. As they always have... however I think some folks don’t recognize large corporation that actually do spend time researching and overhauling their structures to be less bias.

This clip was not long enough! You should have Adolph Reed as a regular contributor of commentary on current political events so his insights get more exposure! It would be just like your Stoller and Sirota segments!

@speavy

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, this man could have spoke for hours.

@jpoeng

2 жыл бұрын

I love his work, but his speaking style is sometimes painful to listen to… When he’s in that halting pattern drives me nuts

@jamesknapp64

2 жыл бұрын

He probably be a *GREAT* Joe Rogan guest

@Sinleqeunnini

2 жыл бұрын

I'd actually get a paid subscription to this source if he did that.

I was first introduced to Prof. Reed through Michael Brooks, and that, among many things, is why I shall remain eternally grateful to Mr. Brooks. RIP.

@malikshabazz2065

2 жыл бұрын

RIP. a true King

@fiveoh3814

2 жыл бұрын

Rip brooksy

@rettro6578

2 жыл бұрын

Same. Brooks was one of a kind.

@darinsingleton3553

2 жыл бұрын

@@CountyPharisee Michael died of apparent complications from a sudden blood clot, which seemingly came out of nowhere, and killed him in his apartment, without warning. Later it was announced that he had a genetic predisposition to blood clotting. Michael was a rising star in the world of independent journalism & was renowned for uniting many of the various voices of the Left together. He was a leading Left-wing intellectual, a goofball, and the soul of compassion & integrity. He died at 36, in 2020.

@jayxavier6930

2 жыл бұрын

Brooks did a good job interviewing Reed and also supporting Lula -- give credit where it's due -- but he also had plenty of other terrible takes that made him virtually indistinguishable from your average sh** lib: i.e. praising Marcie RussiaGate Wheeler; taking the "official" OPCW line on Syria; doubling down on racialist interpretations of why Trump won... never mind that the Orange Monster gained in support from ethnic minorities in 2020... The guy was basically a less obtuse version of Sam Seder: smart on some issues, but also a woke opportunist who knew how to cozy up to the elites.

1619 Project is complete garbage and filled with historical fallacy. John McWhorter has a great perspective on this BP should interview him.

@kevinpersinger7957

2 жыл бұрын

They need McWhorter in the show... I feel like he has been on before, he should do it again.

@low_vibration

2 жыл бұрын

Mchwhorter is an obvious white supremecist who is intent making sure the black and lgbt genocide proceeds on schedule

@CornFedZ06

2 жыл бұрын

@@low_vibration Found the racist lol

@sirreptitious6645

2 жыл бұрын

@@low_vibrationthat a black man is called a white supremacist is proof that the issue today isn’t about race, it’s about political alliance. Regardless of skin color, you’re considered a racist if you don’t support leftist dogma.

@low_vibration

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirreptitious6645 or i was joking

His book on DuBois and Black Political Thought was one of the best things I read in grad school in 1997. He’s been calling out performative politics and ideological insincerity for a long time. His writing is also superb. Great read.

Absolute legend and Breaking Points is graced by his presence. Thanks for bringing him to us Krystal.

The class, or materialist, analysis of the African American position in American society goes back literally a hundred years. Blacks were part of the early Socialist Party and by the 1930s were involved in the Communist Party. By the early 60's Black communists in the South (yes, there were some), struggled to bridge their socialist and internationalist analysis with the emerging Black nationalist movement. This eventually influenced the Black Panther Party, among other political tendencies. The fact that you hear nothing about this in mainstream media shouldn't surprise. The ruling class has always sought to divide the truly radical elements of the Black community from the Black masses, who intuitively know that they are being screwed. Brother Reed has done a good service. Now it's up to enlightened whites and Blacks to take the initiative to fill in the gaps that this short interview could only touch upon.

@DR-ec6xo

2 жыл бұрын

Can you really blame blacks from ascribing to communism in the past? It's an ideology, although flawed, that says "everyone is equal and gets the same stuff", in a time when POC were prohibited, either legally or socially, from benefitting from capitalism. They were denied loans, having white people as customers or even professional associations. This really started unraveling though around the 70's, and about the 90's I remember seeing the true mark of equality where social groups would mix. Today Beyonce and jayz, professional sports players, will smith, et al. all prove everyone is welcome to drink at the fountain of opportunity. Those still screaming about the past are only using it as a blunt political tool to silence opposition.

There he is; nestled comfortably between "Exposed Beach" and "Ocean Wave"...

@brookegraczyk5912

2 жыл бұрын

Adolph Reed Jr is a true legend

14:43: "Why is it that the strain of contemporary anti-racist discourse insists that we understand present injustice in terms drawn from the past?"

@levytator1

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn’t agree with you. He’s just saying that when address present problems we shouldn’t expect the masses to give a shit on moral grounds. Obviously, this is a settler colony that became independent... That means genocide is a given and this country will never grapple with this history so focus on the points that do have universalist logic bcuz the establishment will destroy any truth that illuminates our true historical patterns. I agree with him. He speaks softly and he’s not overly blaming white ppl so... He’s an old school lefty and no doubt ultimately trying to heighten contradictions.. Citizenship here requires a reactionary close mindedness to the plight of indigenous ppl whose downfall is the prerequisite to legitimacy based on military dominance and the willingness to perform genocidal violence. Of course then it’s your duty to reject all claims of grievance by the victims of violence. That’s normal. Sociopathic but completely standard.

@ropersonline

2 жыл бұрын

@@levytator1 You should watch Krystal Ball's Inside End Game of Rogan SMEAR Campaign video.

Love me some Adolph Reed. Can never get enough! Recommend his appearances on Useful Idiots

@joestendel1111

2 жыл бұрын

Sadly matt is on a break

I was once talking to a man (black) who grew up in the Jim Crow South, and I asked if if they got angry at the unfairness or what, and he said the same as Dr. Reed said, that everybody just took it for granted as normal everyday life.

You should have Yvette Carnell on here to talk about this.

@uedomwonyi

2 жыл бұрын

That would be an interesting discussion! I would love to see it.

@Hop9190

2 жыл бұрын

He’s an anti reparation black leftist, so yeah would also like to see that.

@uedomwonyi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hop9190 AR Jr. isn’t anti-Black 🤦🏿‍♂️

@Hop9190

2 жыл бұрын

@@uedomwonyi I didn’t say he was ? I said he is anti Reparations. Which he is.

@uedomwonyi

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hop9190 Pardon my previous response. You did not say that he was anti-Black.

I'm a huge Reed fan. I just wish breaking points would focus more on the "leftist" part and less on the "against" part in most of their conversations. As their audience shifts more and more to the right, these conversations sometimes end up just being "liberals and democrats are nuts! (no mention of how equally nuts republicans are) But hey, corporations are bad I guess."

@rhys5567

2 жыл бұрын

The mainstream left dont listen anymore. They have their views said back to them. Pigs in a trough. The centre right and libertarians listen. Can't blame bp for that. Why do you need your left talking points said back to you?

@Nick-cv4ci

2 жыл бұрын

@@rhys5567 i don’t think anything about what @Joshua Brecka said implies that he wants/needs his “talking points said back to [him]”. It is precisely because the center right and libertarians ‘listen’ (your words), that he wants leftist arguments to be made. Center -right and libertarian ideologies are just as bankrupt as contemporary liberal-leftism is (i would argue that in the most important ways its a distinction without a difference). It seems like (some) people come to BP just for their reactionary takes on Liberals, which is totally fair bc liberals are batshit. But turning center-right and libertarians into mere “reactionaries” does absolutely nothing.

@Nick-cv4ci

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rampton8810 how do you watch BP and think that the Dems are far left? This literally re-enforces the notion that right-populism is just a cultural ideology.

@joshuabrecka6012

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rampton8810 I think one of the main hang-ups here is that between liberals/the democratic party leaning into culturally left messaging, and extremely effective right-wing propaganda (PragerU for instance) labelling liberals/democrats as far left , many people seem to think that what we see on MSNBC is really leftwing. I think it might be hard to reconcile our different points of view, but in most developed countries, the democratic party would be considered a center-right party. They are not far left, save for some of the empty messaging. If you don't mind, could you list a few things you see as being far-left that the democratic party is actively legislating or trying to legislate?

@joshuabrecka6012

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nick-cv4ci Yes this sums up my comment nicely, thank you! Although I do think there is a pretty big difference between liberals and leftists, if by liberals we mean socialists (anti-capitalists).

Great interview.

I love everything they do here! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

this mans background gave me ptsd to my geography classes

Want to hear more!

great video!

Love ❤️😍this very interesting video!

While I could see myself voting for Jesse Ventura, also an outsider and ex-celebrity (because you know what he stands for and has passion for) the Rock's politics are nebulous. There is no there, there with this guy.

@MrShanester117

2 жыл бұрын

Jesse Ventura is a very likable guy that seems to have good intentions. However he has this weird tendency to believe in conspiracies that are bizarre and often provably false

@mmedefarge

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrShanester117 I don't know about the provable part but having been a Navy Seal, he is a aware of our gov't's.more nefarious intentions.

Great conversation.

Intriguing perspective.

Thomas Sowell next!!!

Despite the many ideological differences I have with Mr. Reed, his opinion is always valued. I'd also suggest having John McWhorter and Glenn Loury on to discuss this, too.

@falsificationism

2 жыл бұрын

McWhorter is a capitalist right-wing ideologue imho. Meaningful contributions to linguistics and very similar to figures like Steven Pinker (in writing and in status-quo preserving worldviews). I just don't think he adds anything to the discourse. Instead, I'd suggest Toure Reed for instance. That came across poorly--should have opened with my agreement. I also have plenty of disagreements with Reed (and everyone...obviously) but I always value his opinion. He's an honest actor and that's why his contributions are so important.

@tap_water872

2 жыл бұрын

Why so white conservatives can get giddy?

@JimmyDoresHairDye

2 жыл бұрын

@@tap_water872 yeah one thing capitalists can all agree with is how much they love the opinions from a self-proclaimed marxist

@Unclejamsarmy

Жыл бұрын

John. Mcwhorter is not on the same level in terms of demonstrated commitment to intellectual seriousness and good faith but loury is. I think he and Reed have probably been talking shit off and on for decades but I would love to see them talk

I'm seeing two "unavailable videos hidden" is this a location thing or they who shan't be named censoring you?

I didn't get much from this

Viewers of this video interview might want to read Adolph Reed's 1999 book "W. E. B. Du Bois and American Political Thought". But the hardback edition is expensive. I wish that the book would be reprinted in a paperback edition.

Premium sub here. The full interview is 10000% worth your $10

WSWS has a very good book and also an extensive series of articles on this subject whichg includes interviews with Reed and othger leading American history scholars.

Always love this dude. But genuine question: anyone know what the deal with the name Adolph is? Was this a common name among black people in the South born in a certain era? Perhaps had nothing to do with the more infamous Adolph, but just a common family or cultural name and otherwise unrelated? Nothing on him, it's his name and doesn't reflect on him personally, I'm just genuinely curious to see if anyone has any insight on this. I've literally never heard of anyone with the name since the second half of the 20th Century and had assumed it was just collectively retired for obvious reasons. Can't imagine it hasn't caused him some issues here and there throughout his life.

@odorutori

2 жыл бұрын

Just a footnote, but "that" Adolf is spelled with an F, and as a German speaker the name Adolph Reed does not bother me or call up any unfortunate connotations. By the same token, we still have Josephs and Georges born and nobody bats an eyelash.

@beyondaboundary6034

2 жыл бұрын

His father's name was Adolph Sr. which is why he is Adolph Jr. His father was born in the 1920s and fought against Nazis in WWII. Naming his son Adolph Jr. was a family thing and had nothing to do with Hitler.

@peterc.4143

2 жыл бұрын

@@beyondaboundary6034 Makes sense. Thanks for the explanation. Figured it was a family name.

@EddieDrayton

Ай бұрын

the other one is ADOLF .........

"It ca be more important to . . . keep your eyes open than be smart." Keeping your eyes open, as you say, is the foundation of being smart, soooooooo . . .

@fireandworms

2 жыл бұрын

I know plenty of people who are of very average intelligence who know what's up. And I know a lot of people who should know better who don't.

Academic: Putting it in layman's terms...the collective manifestation of the gestalt- Audience: Layman's terms? Do you speak English?

@Hands2HealNow

2 жыл бұрын

I hear you and ask us all to pick up our game to include a few more references. We don't have to loose the common touch to know more perspectives.

@josephmassaro

2 жыл бұрын

@@Hands2HealNow I was just making a joke. I had college professors like him. Liked using $25 words in $5 sentences. Just left people wondering what the hell they were talking about.

@michaelj6392

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephmassaro the word you are looking for is pedantic

@josephmassaro

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelj6392 a pedantic pedagogue of prolific proclamations.

@MeitanteiKuri

2 жыл бұрын

@@josephmassaro , this made me think of “2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted”

Parents just went for it. "This is baby Adolf" lol ballsy play. I respect it

@Gairuntee

2 жыл бұрын

He's a Jr. Senior was probably born 1920s?

@Rlogsdon100

2 жыл бұрын

@@Gairuntee that makes sense.

*@**8:30** -- 8:60:* Adolph Reed: The first thing it [Jim Crow] was, was *normal life ....* People now like to talk about Jim Crow like it was white people's permanent sadistic camp; but the fact is that there was *normal life."* *That's also true of the glass ceilings, sexual discrimination, power imbalances and misconduct.* Good interview.

@thuzan117

2 жыл бұрын

a very good point, it can be easy to forget that things we now consider terrible were mundane not so long ago.

Great interview!

What is up with the strange cover up of the background of where he is speaking

I like a lot of what Professo👨‍🏫r Reed says but did he really say in this segment that he opposes reparations?

Why would someone name their kid Adolph / Adolf

Overcoming adversity is what makes a strong character. People should not be judged for the color of their skin but instead the content of their ideas. There are very few in the world, and even less in the diverse west, that believe otherwise today. The people of the world have never been more understanding of each other.

I would think i skew just a tad right off center/ libertarian-ish and i really enjoyed hearing this perspective

The country is also founded by pirates and the pirates republic undermined slavery, however the pirates republic was bought off by the British empire and the holdouts were destroyed, in a way the British empire give 90% to the pirates republic to defeat it as 90% of the country got full pardons and retained their wealth! Considering how dangerous the pirates fleet was however it was the only other option then treating them as a legitimate country was the strongest navy.

@OvarosX

2 жыл бұрын

@Swift BMF skull and bones society is an enemy of pirates, they high jacked the image for rich elites disregarding the spirit of the pirates republic which is freedom, skull and bones society is about rich elites over the people the pirates code spoke of an fair wage far above minimum, where people were whipped on imperial ships such acts were banned by the pirates code, when they raided slave ships the recruited the slaves as equals. So no skull and bones society is a Smear jobs against the pirates good bad name not that different then the English propaganda.

@OvarosX

2 жыл бұрын

@Swift BMF i did say good bad reputation these were the ages of kings and guilds England ignoring Spanish privateers raiding English ports, and frankly i have trouble feeling sorry for the captain of those imperial or guild ships hit by pirates as they were really cruel to their crew and i don't feel sorry for the owners of those captains because they were very cruel to the poorly paid crew, made recruiting the crew of those ship easier too!

Creator of the project is an angry victim hell bent on dragging others into her private misery.

I am from the south, not the deep south but not far off (east Texas). I do not go there anymore. My Google travel map shows me going everywhere in America EXCEPT the old south. As a long-haired left leaning athiest, I am not safe there either. "You ain't from around here, are ya boy" is a warning. I do not fit in, I never really did. When I must go there, I stay on the interstate and avoid towns.

Another point of view.

You guys are great! Wish my fiancé wasn’t is graduate school so I could get a subscription.

This man agrees with me, therefore, I think this man is smart. The entire SJW movement was financed by the oligarchy. Intentionally divisive. I do fear that if this man knew me and knew that he agreed with me that he might switch sides tho.

@Unclejamsarmy

Жыл бұрын

He’s been putting this same analysis forward since you were a kid

Wait, so slave owners didn’t believe their enslaved workers were less of a man? Wonder where the laws came from?

@gregsimmons3323

2 жыл бұрын

Who said that?

@AliciaAmbrosia

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregsimmons3323 Adolph Reed said [paraphrasing]slavery was just business and had nothing to do with race, or humanity, slave owners only wanted cotton picked

@gregsimmons3323

2 жыл бұрын

@@AliciaAmbrosia What he is saying is that the plantation system of cotton production is an important material foundation for racism in the US. Racism has its roots in the economic imperative -- so of course the slaveholders come to see the slaves as subhuman (and write laws to that effect). And the cultural then feeds continuing economic exploitation dialectically. What Reed is opposing is the (ultimately fatalistic) notion that racism is all about this ontologically absolute hatred of black people by white people. If you listen to a lot of liberal takes you get the sense that slavery was established JUST so whites could exercise their transhistorical hatred of blacks, subordinating them just for the sake of it -- which is ridiculous.

@AliciaAmbrosia

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregsimmons3323 I do speak to educators often about what is being taught. It doesn’t seem as if a large group of educators are teaching history this way. It started as a political tactic. I personally have not met any black person who truly believes white people have an innate, genetic code where they must kill, or treat black inhumanely. Many black people are, however, interested in how long this despicable institution has been able to persist, and then evolve and with each evolution the parties who benefit fight to hold on by any means necessary. It’s also wild that any type of person from any class has to constantly exhibit mountains of evidence of mistreatment based on race. Because I have never met, read or I’m multiple communities and outreaches have ever heard and educator or black person truly believe that. They may wonder if it is innate because black people have to constantly remind folks, lynching is not ok, capitol punishment for non-guilty people is not ok, these issue disproportionately affect minorities. The reasons why are also heavily racially charged. So... like... we must do something & get educated & be honest. Sit in on the classrooms or read over the course literature. Make sure that it’s isn’t just salacious news telling y’all what to believe

@AliciaAmbrosia

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregsimmons3323 there is something truly sinister about how an institution was able to reign for 400+ years, globally, before some nations decided slavery was inhumane( to say the absolute least)... there were plenty of white folks available and destitute enough to work for shelter... physical labour isn’t that much of an excuse because the enslaved life expectancy was LOW( worked to death) but the amount of ships, ledgers, babies tossed to alligators, contraptions for torture, etc & once freed... assassinating presidents, progress, j. Edgar Hoover... etc AND everything today that still is blatantly racist and vile still persists and thrives... I think people especially black people are truly astonished. I wonder why those in power, who happen to be white, refuse to move forward when it comes to race and inequality.

Have him on more often. Great points of view.

Don't come across that first name very often. Great insights, thanks for having him on.

1619 Project, a fleshed out fan fantasy project based on a couple of facts.

@freedomm

2 жыл бұрын

Nope. 1619 project is the real deal and should be reading requirement in all our schools.

Just let us see his book collection Jesus

tf is is back round tho

Why is he saying that people didn’t live in fear? Sunday afternoon lynchings... I guess black peoples also lunched there

@Runconna

2 жыл бұрын

People are easily gaslit by eloquent speakers (which he is). This segment was a bunch of nonsense, sprinkled in with a bit of truth. He was basically undermining the traumas of victims of white supremacy, by saying people didn't know any other way of life and was therefore oblivious to its effects on their lives. He also created a bunch of strawman arguments to belittle the blatant disrespect of white supremacist symbols (statues, street names, etc.) by claiming peoples (and his own) ignorance to their presence, made them not a big deal. Not sure who he's trying to sell his book to, but based on this segment, I have a pretty solid guess.

@AliciaAmbrosia

2 жыл бұрын

@@Runconna krystal & Sagar are promoting it ... the audience is here.

@Runconna

2 жыл бұрын

@@AliciaAmbrosia Well, they just proved themselves not to be journalist with this interview. They're going for the alt-right crowd now. Which will lead to the end of their channel.

Saagar started ummm’n when he started talking slavery 🤬

Why don't you ask Thomas Sowell Krystal ...or is he on the side of the enemy

@F14Goose37

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. His point of view is not on the approved list of points of view, so he will not be getting the opportunity to present his views so people can decide for themselves if they have merit.

@F14Goose37

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, to give them credit, I do think they would have him on if he asked them or if they thought it was relevant to something they had on their radar. I just know that Krystal would make snarky comments whenever she could get one in and Saagar would be uncomfortable about engaging with a well spoken, pleasant man with an actual conservative point of view.

@geef917

2 жыл бұрын

@@F14Goose37 they wouldn't have him on. That had Candice Owens once and Krystal tried the race baiting and got destroyed by Candice. And Candice is decent but she's not Mr Sowell. That mans books should be read in every school.

Classism is, to me, the thing that have birth to white supremacy and racism. White supremacy and Racism, in America, grew big and strong and over shadowed classism. The ideas of white the pharmacy and racism can't be as easily overcome as classism. Classism can be easily solved by a change of social economic status whereas racism and white supremacy is a state of mind, that is not so easily changed.

Tell the people of the Tulsa Riots class mattered. Or the 1000,s of other Black businesses destroyed. Or the Black civilization that were destroyed or the African countries who are overthrown by the USA so they can steal their resources, or Haiti

@ZZ-ng9kg

2 жыл бұрын

Or you can look at what liberals have done to black community. Kept them impoverished and ruined their cities in the 60s.

@W44F

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZZ-ng9kg I am not crazy about these liberals I know they use Black people as a proxy to push their own personal agendas

@rettro6578

2 жыл бұрын

Race is a tool of the elites to divide the masses which is class based.

I dont understand why you guys always have people that are antagonistic towards the 1619 project. Why not ever have people that agree with the project findings? Why not give them a chance to defend themselves, or have a debate? Its just not honest way of parsing through the evidence and trying to gain an understanding. This onesidedness i notice often on your show is a disservice to the issues you cover.

@swdupree1

2 жыл бұрын

And they say they are the anti mainstream media seems the same to me

@StandOutProd919

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely agree

@MH-ro1lg

2 жыл бұрын

Werent all the projects findings completely debunked?

Krystal & Sagar you need to recruit Kim Iverson to this show... she is wasting her talent over there, l think you guys know a little bit about that

@joshuabrecka6012

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry, Iverson strikes me as a complete looney...

@briananderson8428

2 жыл бұрын

Kim is an absolutist. There's no nuance there. Most of life is in gray areas. She does not at all understand that.

@michaelj6392

2 жыл бұрын

Would rather see Kim & Saagar

@jstreets1983

2 жыл бұрын

Kim is a trash grifter wtf are you talking about?

@ochaco31

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't kim go full mask off a few weeks ago? Such a grifter

Why does a black man born in the Bronx less than two years after the end of WW2 have the first name of Adolph? Doesn’t that seem kind of odd?

@ahfimiwonawun

2 жыл бұрын

It ain’t any worse than the last names we carry.

@KRev-nb7gc

2 жыл бұрын

Nailed it.............

@CornFedZ06

2 жыл бұрын

Obviously a covert white supremacist

@rettro6578

2 жыл бұрын

Listen to his interviews where he references his dad and why he got that name. He didn’t name his son Adolph so he didn’t repeat that mistake.

@mikkiweidman1908

2 жыл бұрын

@@rettro6578 it would have been better if you had just told us why his dad named him Adolph, but no.... So I still don't know.

Risky name

They said their was some video that started off like super woke, but then turned into some anti-union narrative. Does anyone know the video they're talking about? I'm trying to find it.

"...premier academic..." , "...laying underneath..." Good grief.

Anarchy USA

God, these professors can't speak when plced in front of a camera.

Hmm he can say whatever but my 90 year old grandparents who grew up in the Jim Crow south would disagree with this. My grandfather was ran out of Mississippi by the KKK. Trying to vote would get you killed, and two of my Grandmother's brothers were lynched. This idea that Black people didn't live under a violent apartied in the American South is a gross retelling of American history. Using the wrong water fountain would get you beaten and arrested. Blacks had to map out how they would do road trips out of fear if they stopped in the wrong place they would be killed. MLK, Evers, Malcolm X and a host of other civil rights icons murdered. The Mississippi Burning, and over 500 racial riots/mass murders of Black majority towns post reconstruction. Black Wall Street, Bloody Sunday, Rosewoods... What is this fool talking about? Over 4000 lynchings and another 3000 undocumented lynchings. This is gross misinformation.

@courtenaymariejones

2 жыл бұрын

I know. I’m so fucking disgusted. & white + NBPOC “on the left” will not stop lifting this man up & giving him a platform. It’s sickening.

@gregsimmons3323

2 жыл бұрын

He is not denying any of that.

@overtongreen527

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregsimmons3323 what are you talking? He explicitly denied that Black people lived under a persistent cloud of fear. That would contradict pretty much every civil rights icon of that time, and what we know to be fact. Most Black people have family who lived during Jim Crow. My mom lived during it and she often talks about the fear her and her siblings would have whenever they left the all Black community they lived in. Any perceived slight or disrespect by a white person could get you jailed, beaten or killed. Hell my grandmother's sister had to move out of her town because she stopped working as a maid for a white family because the husband collected postcards of graphic depictions of Black people being lynched and had them hanging on the wall. I mean the post office used to sell those. You could actually buy a postcard of Black people being burned at the stake as an invitation to your family BBQ lol. She had to move because word got to her they were going to harm her and her son because they took it as disrespectful that she quit. His outright lies about Jim Crow is reprehensible, and why is he doing it? There is a certain segment of white people that want to hear this garbage. Pretending that the horrors of the past perpetrated by white people of the era somehow really wasn't that bad. You can make money as a Black person feeding into narratives like these to boost false notions that some white people enjoy. This is why Candace Owens, Stacy Dash, are able to spew utter nonsense but make buckets of cash. There is a white audience for Black people that hate other Black people and push easily disprovable misinformation.

@gregsimmons3323

2 жыл бұрын

​@@overtongreen527 This was not Reed at his best. When he talks about "normal life," he means that oppression was "normalized" -- just as other appalling systems and regimes of oppression (apartheid South Africa for example) become normalized. His more general critique is of reductionist liberal notions that posit a wholly monolithic (and essentially ahistorical) account, and of how these obscure class divisions and are exploited by elites within the community to their own advantage and the to detriment of ordinary black people. What he's saying here is that painting life under Jim Crow as one in which every black person spent *every waking moment* living in complete terror and in the absolute same way (with similar absolute uniformity on the part of whites) is ultimately not helpful. (I'd like to see the full interview though -- but I'm not paying this pair of grifters.) Reed has spent his whole life fighting for racial justice. It is absurd to claim that he is not aware or would deny the horrific and endemic oppression of Jim Crow and how that was manifest every day. In fact, he recounts many similar anecdotes to you own in the book in question.

No disrespect to this guy but I feel like there’s much better cases for this argument

@falsificationism

2 жыл бұрын

I could listen to him all day. Not sure he's attempting to find the "best" case for the argument as much as he's trying to re-describe the problem. I think that's why he's so valuable to listen to.

It would have been nice for this interview to make a point, other than to point out the banality of Jim Crow. I really don't understand, does this guy not see the institutional racism? Is he not bothered by tremendous over reaction of the right to teaching fact based history?

@Runconna

2 жыл бұрын

No.. He's trying to sell his book to people who wanna hear ahistorical nonsense like this. Reducing intuitional racism to nothing more than a different way of life (which goes against all credible science on the topic) is how make it big in todays America.

You would think that working class white people would help themselves before focusing on keeping blacks on a lower social rung, but that's always the way with people. Whether it's Jim Crow South, or the early Roman Republic and the pushback from the plebian class regarding granting Roman citizenship to Italian allies 2400-ish years ago makes clear that people will accept less as long as it means they can feel that they have someone to punch down to, regardless if they do or not. Hell, the best example was the Confederate army itself. I am well aware and acknowledge the things that are done and have been done to black Americans. That said, i wholly reject the patently absurd, and not terribly well thought out assertion that "all white (American) people have, and continue to benefit from slavery." Not only isn't untrue, but to the contrary I'd argue that the majority of white people living in the Antebellum South were negatively affected economically at least. Clearly not even approaching how black people were, but that's a whole other subject. The South's entire economy was agricultural, as opposed to the North's industrial economy. The cotton was grown, harvested then shipped north or overseas to be processed and turned into textiles. Like Detroit when it was centered around automobile manufacturing, the average blue collar worker who didn't own a farm would have made their living working as a farmhand on one of the larger plantations. Once the availability of cheap slaves become available, they quickly replaced those very same farmhands. No farmhand or similar job opportunities: no jobs. This was really what poor white people were fighting to maintain when they put on that gray uniform to get mowed down by Union forces. I'm not an economics historian (or any economist, or historian for that matter) but I have to think that one of the reason the poorest states in the US are all former slave states is due to this very reason. People talk about the lower rates of generational wealth among African Americans due to slavery, but I think there's more then a fair share of white American families who share in that fact. The premise is on par with the idea that we all benefit and continue to benefit from tax breaks, loopholes and credits given to large corporations and the Uber wealthy. You could make an argument that they benefit because of lower cost products, but everyone will have the share in that. Plus most of that still just benefits shareholders anyway.

@YYmmmYY

2 жыл бұрын

How about you look at it like this, rather than whites being at an advantage, blacks are still at a disadvantage in terms of economics and societal treatment. A black person selling a home consistently gets lower valuations than a white person selling the same home. Things like that.

@YYmmmYY

2 жыл бұрын

@@mmss3199those same neighborhoods were just as violent when the Italians were living there and just as violent with the Irish even before. Crime is a class and density issue.

I'm not sure what all his rambling is about, but it doesn't seem to be substantive argument against the 1619 project, or making a leftist argument.

@Hands2HealNow

2 жыл бұрын

We all can laugh at ourselves on that point. Even he loses his way on the way to diminishing the distortionists of the left. By the way real leftists don't hate and name call to avoid engaging with data, facts, human rights, and abuses and corruptions.

Your guest is horrible at interviews, god he's long winded and even gets confused on where he's going.

I like this guy ok. He’s a bad speaker but I’ve seen him before have better talks. I admit I haven’t read his work. I think there’s a point to be made from some people saying that basically, some people lived quite well under segregation and others did not. Perhaps his family was the latter and biases his perspective on this topic. Which is kind of the point he’s making but it’s less nuanced than the point the commenters are making

Great to see Adolph Reed on the show. It's a nice break from the steady string of right wingers.

@JohnBiddleMusic

2 жыл бұрын

There’s a lot of progressives that come on the show. They have a weekly segment with David sirota and the daily poster. I think they actually generally have more progressives on.

@vthyaga

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU!

Can we just have a 10,000 BC project instead? America’s history didn’t start with European people arriving.

@spiritof6663

2 жыл бұрын

Graham Hancock is correct! The Younger Dryas impact happened and wiped out a high civilization. The 12,000 year old sites in Turkey--Gobekli Tepe and Boncuklu Tarla--are the proof. As for America, we now know that humans populated the continent tens of thousands of years earlier than previously thought. Amazon natives share DNA with Australian aborigines, and so on.

@sumeunggai5665

2 жыл бұрын

U don gotta go that far

I think Reed's case, as he says it here, misses something. While racists institutions do often serve some larger motive than white supremacy, white supremacy is the bedrock of these institutions. Slavery wouldn't have persisted based solely on the needs of the wealthy elites that directly benefitted from it. I think it's important to understand white supremacy as a tool of the elite to divide working class interests, both then and now. Many poor and working class whites will vote against policies that would benefit them, simply because they see them as benefiting blacks, for example.

Wish they were still on The Hill. Much more balanced. Now they just bash CNN and keep crawling to the right. And that cheesy fake brick backdrop. It’s like a community theatre set…

The guy rambles but his message seems to be, we are not properly focused in the US when it comes to historical narratives regarding race.. Those who are now "experts" in "history" have presented us a dramatized and exaderated retelling of history. They have focused things in a way to form narrative that matches more closely with their ideological strawman evil doer then with the historical reality. They continue to adjust and redefine the presentation of past figures to make them more extreme and influence more widespread then the historical reality actually suggests. They simply are molding history to their current ideology to validate their current world view.

@meofamily4

2 жыл бұрын

However eloquent his book or his previous work, he did a very poor job of responding to the questions posed in this interview.

Have any of the critics here of the work even read a page of it? I’m highly doubtful

@diegomagellan

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. They never do

I'm all for calling out misinformation and inaccuracies and the 1619 project is full of it. However, nearly every textbook I grew up with in school is full of the same. Why so much focus on this one? Hmmm I'm just saying...be consistent across the board. *People still celebrate Columbus Day lol*

@red-tb8ul

2 жыл бұрын

The 1619 project is much worse becuase it is ideology trying to justify its extremism in the present by creating historical narratives to back up its ideology and current world view. Establishing a fake/bias history to impower its current position. Think of it like how an invading nation will sometimes make up history in order legitimize its current actions such as overstating a historic grievance or land dispute.

@ahfimiwonawun

2 жыл бұрын

I’m not familiar with what the big deal is on this “project”. I know Black Folk had to grow up being taught to look up to the genocidaires of our ancestors as heroes. I wonder what the 1619 project is doing that’s worse than that.

@KRev-nb7gc

2 жыл бұрын

@@red-tb8ul 1619 isn't "creating" any historical narratives. Highlighting uncomfortable facts/things isnt creating a narrative. Long term affects are common ground for most things that happen..... That's how it works. Like it or not slavery has had a long term affect that 60 percent of the country wants to deny...... So like most things you ignore due to ignorance or lack of concern it will come back to bit you in the ass. In due time.🙃

@red-tb8ul

2 жыл бұрын

@@KRev-nb7gc I mean historians like this guy and I mean literally 100s of others at the university level have described it as fake, fraudulent, bias, and any other word you like for generally lying to create their narrative. It's not really up for debate any longer. I mean there are reports that tear it to shreds from with sited sources and data. It's a grift to make money. Not much more. Dosnt mean you can't find accurate history in it. It just means the project as a whole isn't accurate or reliable.

@KRev-nb7gc

2 жыл бұрын

@@ahfimiwonawun 🙄 Facts.

8 min in n no idea wat 1619 project is. Waste of time upload

He has to be first black person I've heard of with the name Adolph. That's actually concerning.

@golddee2040

2 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielgaidos7015I said a black person named Adolph. Joseph at least has biblical roots so it's harder to demonize it.

@KRev-nb7gc

2 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielgaidos7015 Adolph is not a common name especially among black people....😂😂

@ladyj3173

2 жыл бұрын

Lol! I’m dying. It’s so funny but so horrible, he probably got so much shit for that his whole life. We can assume his dads name was Adolph, but we don’t know why

If you know about the 1619 Project you should also know about the 1776 Unites project founded by Bob Woodson

fix class and you fix race?? fix class and you fix the racial wealth gap?? ok...im sure kyrstal and saagar loved this man. There is money to be made in oppression. slavery became exclusively black in the united states around the late 1600's early 1700's. Thats a fact. This country created race as a social contruct to keep people seperated and for a built in excuse of why certain groups dont have anything. Race was created for the use of racism. This man is tryin to distort what racism is and how it an was used.

@TheMagicJIZZ

2 жыл бұрын

Native Americans enslaved African Americans...pick your master

@dlrichardson56

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMagicJIZZ ok....what do you mean?

@TheMagicJIZZ

2 жыл бұрын

@@dlrichardson56 you said slavery became exclusively black. But you're forgetting native American enslaved anyone they captured. The whites also but whites didn't enslave other white they did something called indentured servitude Black people were hunted by natives as well as white. Not all African Americans were slaves. Some arrived and never were. They were always free black people. So even if you remove European settlers. You're gonna have to deal with indigenous culture

@dlrichardson56

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMagicJIZZ im not forgetting anything. at a certain point in america...slavery became exclusively african american. not denying that native americans had slaves, not denying that there where white slaves and endentured servants. But at a certain point in time (late 1600's early 1700's) blacks became the exclusive slaves in america. Chattle slavery here in america. what are we talking about??

Thanks Adolph, I think you've got something important to say, but you can't quite bring yourself to say it. And that is: "It wasn't that bad." It's an important message; it needs to be said, and there could be no better messenger. The ultimate point being, blacks and whites CAN live together. Hell, we lived together in the south even during Jim Crow. It doesn't have to be this all or nothing battle to the death. It wasn't that, even then. Take some of the heat out of the streets.

@tbr7921

2 жыл бұрын

read the book, he is not saying "it wasn't that bad" he's saying, it was different than how some political actors are portraying it, and here's why.

@awexpat8943

2 жыл бұрын

@@tbr7921 So help me out, how was it different, and why is it important how political leaders portray it? Seems like you can't say it either.

@tbr7921

2 жыл бұрын

@@awexpat8943 like I've said, read the book, find out for yourself, don't ask random strangers on KZread to lay all the arguments out... you can also read the Field sisters on this, Racecraft and the historical memoir they did with their grandmother called Lemon Swamp and Other places. Both sets of authors prioritize understanding political economy and capitalism, in order to understand race, versus a purely race redutionist, trans historical approach. I think they'd say its important, so we can build solidarity amongst the working class...

@awexpat8943

2 жыл бұрын

@@tbr7921 Well, if that's your pitch to the masses, good luck on having any kind of impact. I guess it must be interesting to consider, up in your ivory towers.

@tbr7921

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think he's someone that "can't quite bring himself to say" anything and its obvious we can all live together (your initial statement toward him and then toward me were so condescending I can't believe I'm even bothering follow up but) if you look at his recent interview in Common Dreams, he lays out his politics very clearly and ties them into the end of Jim Crow.

Krystal and Saagar: you guys have done such a great job of elevating scholars who critique popular racial ideas, but I can't recall ever seeing an actual expert who is also a proponent of issues like critical race theory, white supremacy, white fragility, etc. The fact that you all don't support those ideas (as evidenced by Saagar laughing audibly at them, as usual) doesn't mean that you should omit relevant counter arguments. I generally like Breaking Points but I really do feel like there's some uneven coverage with body of ideas. I'm from Detroit, and critical race theory definitely informed parts of my education. I hear the critique, but I don't hear the respect.

@tap_water872

2 жыл бұрын

Nah, its just proof of what we've been long been saying. This is an anti-black channel. They would rather elevate Reed who is the left's version of Thomas Sowell instead of taking on actual black voices that are both representative of MOST black opinion on these topics and offer some pushback to what they're saying. Reed is in such a slim minority of black thought on this it would blow most minds.

@MRGUSTAVOCHICKENFRING

2 жыл бұрын

@@tap_water872 Thomas sowell?

@F14Goose37

2 жыл бұрын

@@tap_water872 And how dare a black man think for himself right? Breaking Points should chastise this man for having a point of view that is different than that of the majority of black people. Obviously the fact that he does not allow himself to be put so neatly in a box as a black man who holds the same views as every other black person is evidence that he is actually a racist and Krystal and Saagar are racists for letting him share his ideas for others to listen to and judge for themselves. You know, I am glad there are people like you who are there to remind people like me that if your skin is a certain color, there is only one acceptable way to think or act. I might have started believing that true diversity was actually something that should be valued.

@Evenst3vn

2 жыл бұрын

We hear so much of that stuff from the mainstream that I really don't see the value in them discussing them here. It's also hard to respect those ideas when the most vocal proponents of them have no respect for any opposing ideas.

@F14Goose37

2 жыл бұрын

@@Evenst3vn I mean, some of us are avoiding main stream media more and more. I think there is value in bringing them on even if I am aware of their ideas and don't agree with them. For those of us who have an open mind and get most of our news from alternative sources, I think it would be great to hear all sides of issues on the same platform. I think there would be a ton of value in them bringing on people who can speak intelligently about opposing views and just letting them talk for a while (not for 15 second sound bytes like MSM). I don't think we should be in favor of refusing to give a point of view a voice, especially if you will give a voice to somebody specifically opposing their point of view. The only danger in it is that the person actually causes you to think differently or maybe even shift your position somewhat. Or you listen and find out that their position really does fall apart under scrutiny. Who knows?

This is what I caught between the lines. 1.Jim Crow wasn't really that bad because is wasn't as daunting as it's made to be. 2. Taking down statues and Changing street names is not a big deal because it won't really do anything.(gotta draw the line somewhere right....) 3. It's not that slave owners wanted to own people and treat them like shit but they had to because.... well they didn't have enough hands to build it themselves. 4. Harvard's admissions standards are the base line for all that is Americans population. IMO He's only telling part of the story from a single point of view. I can tell you why Jim Crow didn't cause his family as much head ache as others, and it's the same reason it had different affects in my family. One side had issues and the other didnt...... But I could be wrong about what he was saying.

@polypus74

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. In answer to your last question.

@KRev-nb7gc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.BatmanPhD Maybe.....enlighten me. I acknowledge what he said, my point is its not that simple. But he was also all over the place.

@bharris3441

2 жыл бұрын

@@KRev-nb7gc the guest's perspective was pointless, he basically said that racism wasn't that bad years ago bcuz it was a normal way of life viewed by many people... He almost sounds like an idiot

@KRev-nb7gc

2 жыл бұрын

@@bharris3441 I didn't know if it was just me..... Then I thought about how half of my family caught sh!t in the south due to skin tone and the other half no so much. He's more of the side that didn't catch sh!t....but nobody's ready for that convo.

@bharris3441

2 жыл бұрын

@@KRev-nb7gc either way his perspective was definitely the minority... U could make the accepted way of living argument to any snapshot in time... Lol slavery & lynching was considered normal at one point, that doesn't mean that it wasn't horrific

Sorry, he is hard to listen to, his speech patterns is off. Perhaps he is a talented writer.

indentured servitude has always effected all races of humans on this earth. it's not racism it's oligarch elitism $$$ Teach your children about character not racism & only then will indenture servitude finally die in our world.

Krystal, why do a majority of white voters vote against the policies you advocate and a majority of black voters vote for the policies you want? Who is in the wrong here, exactly?

@kspfan001

2 жыл бұрын

You are, for treating both white and black voters like a monolith and ignoring that both groups are divided along class lines. Especially black voters, which are largely manipulated by black race leader hucksters from the top 5% into voting for whoever the democratic party wants.

@tap_water872

2 жыл бұрын

@@kspfan001 90% of black voters go one way. And the Republican Party is 90% white. Who is being fooled?

@F14Goose37

2 жыл бұрын

@@tap_water872 Even if those numbers are accurate, you are saying two different things. One is the composition of the Republican Party and one is the voting habits of a group of people. If your point is that white people don't support the kinds of things Krystal is talking about, but black people do, then saying 90% of black people vote Democrat is relevant, but the makeup of the Republican Party is not. What would be more relevant is what percentage of white people vote Democrat and what percentage of white people vote Republican. The makeup of the Republican Party could be relevant, but only compared to the makeup of the Democratic Party. If you were honest about that, you would find that the majority of the people who vote for the things that Krystal is talking about are also white because the majority of the Democratic Party and the majority of progressives, like Krystal, are white. Kind of loses a little bit of the narrative you are pushing when you look at it thay way though doesn't it? Also, the majority of all voters, does not matter what race, are not that informed or think all that independently. Both parties market to voters the same way car makers, sports betting, toothpaste and drug makers market to consumers. Democrats are much better at marketing based on race because that is the lens they see the world through. Republicans market based on values (although they have a hell of a time living those values) which is why groups who share common values as a defining characteristic, like evangelical Christians tend to be seen as strong Republican voting blocks. How people vote is more related to how they see themselves than what candidate they actually would agree with if they paid enough attention.

You can always count on Sagaar and Krystal to find guests to tear down the 1619 project. Why not have a balance discussion. They pretend to like debates where both side are represented, but what they really champion are guests that confirms their own views. Kind of like how Fox News is fair and balance. This guy is prefect for their show because he’s a black guy making their case of classism over racism.

@cairocowboy3233

2 жыл бұрын

It’s simple, Krystal is a white woman and Sageer wishes he was white so discrediting the truths of history helps their cause

@ladyj3173

2 жыл бұрын

@@cairocowboy3233 sagaar is definitely proud of his Indian heritage. He dosent even like thanksgiving lol. That’s a ridiculous smear against any non woke non white person and people aren’t falling for it anymore

@m3xicanstandoff

2 жыл бұрын

They should bring them on. Then people will learn all of the historical fallacies of the 1619 project. This professor has many good points. I'm not going to say I agree with everything but you seem to have your mind set on the 1619 project is what you believe even if I'm not sure you have read the papers in the project

@scottjones4404

2 жыл бұрын

@ m3xicanstandoff. Just the opposite my friend. I have read it and found some portion I don’t agree with like slavery being the driving forces behind the Revolutionary War. Other portions I thought she was spot on. But, evening disagreeing with portions of it, I still found it to be beautifully written and thoughtfully engaging piece. Obviously it spark a debate that goes on today.

I'm getting annoyed at the constant focus on history/liberal arts in schools. These kids need skills that can land them a decent job or an apprenticeship. I'd like to see the majority of changes and funding going toward teaching math, financial education and sciences, especially in computer sciences. That's where all the jobs are, not history.

@Alexander21025

2 жыл бұрын

Hopefully we can walk and chew gum at the same time. History, philosophy, and other liberal art humanities if taught correctly (meaning more of a discussion of events, not propaganda) can make a person and a society more culturally rich and mentally stable. Learning and knowing history had little practical use it did not make me rich in cash, but was extremely valuable in my life, there were many benefits, the biggest is I appreciate and love life. Teaching people to be nothing but tools for the economic machine will not create the best possible society we can get.

@leanna3625

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alexander21025 I think that's great in theory but for anyone who isn't upper middle class and above, it isn't practical advice. As someone who had to start working in my late teens, I could have used a skill. I think we should move to the German model of education where kids start fast tracking kids for a trade/business training in High school.

So basically this guy's perspective is that a certain degree of racism was normal life back then... Lol this conversation is pointless, bcuz im sure back when blacks were slaves receiving whips across their backs, that was considered normal too... And who titled this video??

First, who is this guy? I have never heard about him; nor do I care to hear about him. And I find it interesting that all these "black" professors are coming out of the woodwork trying to dismiss the 1619 Project when it known among the general consensus of the black population of Amerikkka that we are not going to forget about the 1619 Project because there is true in the project; just like we are not going to forget about the real history of AmeriKKKa just because some "experts" say that we should. I expected more from Krystal and Saagor, but then again they work in Washington DC aka Ground Zero for Distract and Control. Good day and B1.

A black leftist named Adolph? 😳 LMFAO 🤣

I'm just disappointed in y'all, because I respect the work you do for the most part but its sad to see such bias and unequal coverage. I expect more of you and you should try harder to be fair on the issues. This way of treating controversial matters is worrisome and questionable, makes one wonder why.

Reed is very insightful but he’s an absolutely terrible speaker. I can’t listen to him. The constant “uh, um, like”. It’s awful.

This man spoke for 7-8 mins and said absolutely nothing substantial at all... unless you wanted to hear "slavery really wasn't so bad.." Foh

People named Adolph are usually awesome

This guys talks so boring