ADAM A7V | Is This The Best A-Series Monitor Yet?

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Kevin The Legend sent us ADAM's new A7V monitor - can it live up to the huge love its predecessor was given?
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  • @derekmidgley
    @derekmidgley Жыл бұрын

    So good to see Flopcat is well. Thank you guys.

  • @QFXmusic
    @QFXmusic Жыл бұрын

    Nice review

  • @Rhythmattica
    @Rhythmattica Жыл бұрын

    As always... Not only informative , but splashed with some gut hurting humour .. Keep it up!

  • @realmac5150
    @realmac51507 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this review. After watching this and researching for quite a while, was able to find some A7V's on reverb for a about 1000 for the pair. Right out of the box they sound great but now I'm on to the next step and getting my room treated so these bad boys can really shine. You're def right about the bass being less than spectacular but is good enough for me as it stand right now. Or least until I et me a pair of Mum-8's. lol

  • @jacquithurgood1682
    @jacquithurgood1682 Жыл бұрын

    Evening guys, here we go again another good one

  • @leeadkins1360
    @leeadkins1360 Жыл бұрын

    Looking forward to getting my pair tomorrow :) Should be a step up from a 20 yr old cambridge audio amp and MS902s Signatures!

  • @sveinjohansen6271
    @sveinjohansen6271 Жыл бұрын

    One of mine A7X´s second hand started humming. its 6-7 years old now, and I had them for 3 years. Out of guarantee, so I bought A77H as they were on sales, waiting for them now. Cant wait. Untreated living room unfortunately, so I will be using the adaptation to adjust them to the living room, cant wait now..

  • @joewolf38
    @joewolf38 Жыл бұрын

    If you will get a pair, please measure with sonarworks, upload the correction file and measure again in the same position. I am curious to see the result. And test with REW or other application. THX for the video once again!

  • @MadMaxx1977
    @MadMaxx1977 Жыл бұрын

    I just bought a pair of the new Adam A7V + Sub8 after trying monitors from Yamaha, JBL, and KRK. My first PC audio setup of studio monitors/subwoofer. Also using a FiiO K9 Pro ESS dac. I've always used passives like the KEF LS50 Meta, powered or integrated amp, powered SVS sub. I'm absolutely thrilled with these Adam speakers. I'm hearing details in my music, gaming, video streaming, etc. that I've never knew were there. Great video, mate!

  • @johnathanbeats
    @johnathanbeats Жыл бұрын

    Thanks of the video. Wish I could afford this line up. The t8vs I have are still greatest in its price range.also Adams audio helps with any issues. they sent me a new monitor with in a few days when I had issues with one.

  • @flaw3dgenius222

    @flaw3dgenius222

    Жыл бұрын

    HS8s are quite a bit better

  • @johnathanbeats

    @johnathanbeats

    Жыл бұрын

    @@flaw3dgenius222 I could get use to the hs8s. I went t8vs because of preference.

  • @Histio
    @Histio Жыл бұрын

    Would love if yall did a breakdown on presons sceptre monitors

  • @peterbrandt7911
    @peterbrandt7911 Жыл бұрын

    As someone else already commented, I would love a comparison to my speakers, too, but there are just too many options to make this happen with everybody's current choice. So, I will simply make a note in the back of my head that should I ever consider new monitors, I'll maybe go full Eve and get mysels an Adam.

  • @Intedencefer
    @Intedencefer Жыл бұрын

    Very interested in a kit for some very nice affordable nearfields. Hoping it would also be available in the US. I am intrigued by the cheaper two way option as well.

  • @itsalistairjames
    @itsalistairjames7 ай бұрын

    Hi gents, great review! Was wondering if you’d go with the the A7V or Focal Alpha Evo 65 for producing and mixing electronic (mainly house & techno music)?

  • @LBJedi
    @LBJedi Жыл бұрын

    Have you guys tested or considered testing the Kali IN-8 V2s? I’m so curious to see how they actually sound. I’ve not come across a pair in life, but I definitely trust your ears.

  • @FOH3663
    @FOH3663 Жыл бұрын

    Interesting rabbit hole worthy of exploration; the vented box at moderate drive level blues... Velocity

  • @AntonioDzekoofficial
    @AntonioDzekoofficial8 ай бұрын

    Cheers! I am considering purchasing a three way monitors. I cannot decide between Adam A77h and Dynaudio Lyd 48. And because I am not able to hear any of my choices in action, I am curious can you elaborate little bit more on couple of things: 1) Depth of the sound (3d) 2) Stereo imaging 3) Bass tightness and depth Also I am curious of your thoughts on Adam A7v comparing in those parameters with those three ways. Thank you :)

  • @compucorder64
    @compucorder64 Жыл бұрын

    Be interested to hear your take on the Hedd Type 07, in comparison to these. But maybe even more interested in the Focal Twin Shape. Because I wonder if it has better upper mids than the EVO 65 you guys reviewed? The Twin shape is interesting to me, because it's almost like a 3-way, but sitting between the ADAM A7V and the HEDD Type 07 in price. And possibly deeper bass than the ADAM. These A7V seem like great value, good quality two-way production monitors, but the Focals but could be nice all-day mixing monitors, maybe with less fatiguing AMT/ART/Ribbon type tweeters. Maybe HEDD Type 07 could be add more precision. But, for not much more money there's 3-way monitors, like the Dynaudio LY48 and ADAM A77H which seem to offer better value.

  • @danielebellezza8699
    @danielebellezza869917 күн бұрын

    Great video!! 🙌I found an offer for a pair of used A7Vs just under 1 year old for 800€ in total, but I was told that the Evo Alpha twins are far better, have you ever tried them? What do you think?

  • @ProdByTimDuncan
    @ProdByTimDuncan Жыл бұрын

    Hi, would love to see you reviewing the HEDD Type 30 MK2 flagships. They have some really great idea/concepts like the lineariser or the ported/closed speakertype. Maybe in the future?

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    We’ll be doing the 20’s very soon, so maybe the 30’s if we can in the future!

  • @ProdByTimDuncan

    @ProdByTimDuncan

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction Awesome!!

  • @unknownadventures6248

    @unknownadventures6248

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction Can you review the adam a77h or adam a8hs too please ?

  • @BojanBojovic
    @BojanBojovic Жыл бұрын

    Thanks. I am thinking about replacing my KRK VXT8 with these. Any thoughts?

  • @BOKHTARIMUSIC
    @BOKHTARIMUSIC Жыл бұрын

    ADAM THE BEST.

  • @behemothinferno
    @behemothinferno8 ай бұрын

    I have a pair of S2V's and thinking of buying a pair of A7V's for my hifi/tv setup. Can you comment on how they compare to Adam's flagship two way monitors?

  • @eeetube1234
    @eeetube12344 ай бұрын

    How to use A7V together with subwoofer together with Sonarworks and import sonarworks profile directly to the speakers?

  • @womagrid
    @womagrid10 ай бұрын

    Have you looked at APS speakers at all?

  • @user-bh2pq9sr9c
    @user-bh2pq9sr9c Жыл бұрын

    I now have a choice between ADAM A7V and Focal Shape Twin. I would be very grateful if the presenter of this video said what he would choose from this for himself to work with. Thank you!

  • @POINDXTRMUSIC

    @POINDXTRMUSIC

    Жыл бұрын

    Shape all day. Amazing speakers

  • @weschilton

    @weschilton

    Жыл бұрын

    What is the point of that? You don't have the same space, and probably doing work on the same music...

  • @emiel333

    @emiel333

    Жыл бұрын

    Adam.

  • @Joey.Darkwoods-Studio

    @Joey.Darkwoods-Studio

    Жыл бұрын

    For $200 more than the Focal why not get the A77H?

  • @j.e9971

    @j.e9971

    Жыл бұрын

    I’m currently in the process do testing the shape twin vs the A7v. So far, the twins are winning however I will say that the KH120’s and A7V’s are extremely comparable across the board with the low end of the A7V being more present and useful in non sub mixing situations, as well as the stereo image being noticeably wider and detailed.

  • @francoisbeauvais4323
    @francoisbeauvais4323 Жыл бұрын

    Please review the A77h!

  • @ronedwards8239
    @ronedwards8239 Жыл бұрын

    Do you think the mid’s are masked by the ribbon tweeters?

  • @tobitweaks
    @tobitweaks Жыл бұрын

    Curious to hear if the A77 will be able to deliver the volume and speaker capabilities to get the bass going and also have a better phantom image because I do feel these could be quite the offering 🤔

  • @Lollokowns

    @Lollokowns

    Жыл бұрын

    I am currently testing the a77h. I also listened to the a7v (in a different environment). Phantom image feels better to me but (again another environment) they cannot come close to psi audios 7 inch offering. Also i feel like the kh310's phantom image is better than the a77h's. Pls take this with a grain of salt. I only had limited time listening to the speakers (except a77h).

  • @Joey.Darkwoods-Studio

    @Joey.Darkwoods-Studio

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Lollokowns :) Even with a grain of salt, you're comparing the A77H to the kh310's that is 2.5 times the price right? That's like saying "Well, the Porsche 911 is nice... but the SF90 Stradale is better!" lol I just find that funny.

  • @Lollokowns

    @Lollokowns

    Жыл бұрын

    Well I'm only comparing what I have heard. The kh310 to me felt deeper and might have a greater sweet spot. I'd prefer the kh310 over the a77h, I guess. But that's why I'm testing them atm :). On the other hand the a77h could be a decent step in between and somehow I do like the tweeter :). Not sure about your budget, risk tendencies and your crafting skills, but there's might be a speaker kit coming soon from PDP!

  • @treblehelix7200
    @treblehelix7200 Жыл бұрын

    Hopefully a new power supply design too.

  • @TheSakuraGumiLTD
    @TheSakuraGumiLTD2 ай бұрын

    I find it very odd these speakers do not have a digital input considering they have DSP. Most others in the price range with DSP do.

  • @cadriver2570
    @cadriver2570 Жыл бұрын

    Sonarworks onboard is pretty nice. I’ve found their Mac app to be finicky.

  • @sonidojamon
    @sonidojamon Жыл бұрын

    I would LOVE you to check out the new IK Multimedia iLoud Precision line. #ikmultimedia

  • @henriquenicolau
    @henriquenicolau Жыл бұрын

    Those huge ports ... looks like they will steal a lot of the woofer's real bass portion. Maybe that's why you felt the need to reach for more bass... you were missing that defined area. Do you have any thoughts on that? cheers

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    The ports would’ve been calculated to fit the cabinet size and bass driver size as necessary, so they’re most likely at their optimal performance point

  • @drakewatkins2624
    @drakewatkins2624 Жыл бұрын

    How do these compare to the Kali audio lp 6 and 8’s

  • @TechnoNates
    @TechnoNates8 ай бұрын

    How do they compare to the S2V?

  • @smamas114
    @smamas114 Жыл бұрын

    What about KRK ? ......i just ordered classic 7

  • @dentboxhero1717
    @dentboxhero1717 Жыл бұрын

    Being able to demo the A4V vs A7V I went with the A4V. To me the A4V is the better sounding. My A4Vs are paired with the Focal Sub One dual 8 sub and am very satisfied. This 2.1 setup is about the same cost versus a pair of A7V but leaps better.

  • @07wrxtr1

    @07wrxtr1

    8 ай бұрын

    I went with t5v + kali audio w6-2… budget small desktop setup… plenty loud for movies and casual listening… I can see where dsp would help…. So might go for the mini dsp hd deal

  • @ivanj46
    @ivanj46 Жыл бұрын

    I can't seem to find this on google but what does the "Desk" band at 3:42 means? Does that compensate for the unwanted boost caused by actual desks or something?

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    Precisely! Frequencies most likely reflected by the desk. Of course, that will depend wildly on your desk material, desk position, speaker position, and so on.

  • @zubinel9540
    @zubinel9540 Жыл бұрын

    Look nice. My recent test of Adam's though have shown a slight problem with them which I wander has been fixed on these... I find I can hear a buzz coming from the tweeters. Did you notice this?

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    Listening to them right now - no buzzing here

  • @zubinel9540

    @zubinel9540

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction How far away are you sat from them? Have you ever heard buzzing or hiss from Adam monitors before?

  • @zubinel9540

    @zubinel9540

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction Alos... I heard hiss from the PSI 21's but not the 17's...

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    I’ve tried them both at super-close distances and further afield and definitely no buzzing

  • @zubinel9540

    @zubinel9540

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction Cool, Thanks

  • @canepaper967
    @canepaper967 Жыл бұрын

    I feel like these are a downgrade from the AX range, I mean they are a larger speaker with a worse frequency response and less bass extension?

  • @secretelitemusic
    @secretelitemusic Жыл бұрын

    Cats voyaged through interstellar space in a large sentient box-shaped craft before colonising planet Urf. They've never quite lost the sense of bonding with the mothership

  • @thevibor
    @thevibor Жыл бұрын

    How do these compare to the Focal Alpha 65 Evos that you reviewed?

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    I personally prefer these A7V’s, I just believe that they have a bit more of an accurate spectral response and they’re less fatiguing to listen to.

  • @thevibor

    @thevibor

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction thanks 🙏

  • @katrinaallikas2028
    @katrinaallikas2028 Жыл бұрын

    Sonarworks ❤

  • @TheSakuraGumiLTD
    @TheSakuraGumiLTD2 ай бұрын

    A77H's or a MUM-6?.... any personal opinion's?

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    2 ай бұрын

    Ask on our discord as there are some users who have moved from Adam www.PresentDayProduction.com/discord Reedy is the one to ask

  • @kadiummusic
    @kadiummusic Жыл бұрын

    Over £600 (a pair) more than Kali's three-way IN-5's and IN-8's. A comparison review would very interesting.

  • @JairajSinghPatil

    @JairajSinghPatil

    Жыл бұрын

    Been waiting for this too No review of the in5 or in8 yet

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    I don’t believe they’ll send us a pair, so this may not happen unless someone can lend us a pair

  • @kadiummusic

    @kadiummusic

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction I'd be happy to but I live in Plymouth! 😕

  • @kadiummusic

    @kadiummusic

    Жыл бұрын

    I've just emailed Kali and asked them to loan you some monitors.... you never know!! 😜

  • @TheRealXira

    @TheRealXira

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction Same here, I have a pair of IN-8's but I'm based in York. Find yourself in my neck of the woods anytime, give me a shout.

  • @remixx45
    @remixx45 Жыл бұрын

    im cross shopping these and the HS8 by yamama wonder which sounds better

  • @danielebellezza8699

    @danielebellezza8699

    22 күн бұрын

    One year later, what was your conclusion?

  • @mannymakesmusic891
    @mannymakesmusic891 Жыл бұрын

    No mid range driver, the sauce is in the midrange

  • @jamesccart
    @jamesccart Жыл бұрын

    but no digital input ? such a shame

  • @the_newvoice
    @the_newvoice Жыл бұрын

    Melodic DnB?)

  • @emiel333
    @emiel333 Жыл бұрын

    Currently own a pair of T7V. Do the job just fine. They go lower than these new A7V (39 Hz compared to 44 Hz), although the new A7V go a lot higher (44 Hz compared to 25 Hz). I want to go even lower than my current setup. Even looked at the T10S sub. That isn’t an option for me. The T8V go down to 33 Hz but I am also looking for better sound in general. A8H an option perhaps? Nevertheless great review James. Say hi to Mark and a cuddle for Flopcat.

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    The A8H is a viable option but I personally believe the A77H had a better quality and tonality

  • @emiel333

    @emiel333

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction Thank you for the advice. Really appreciate it!

  • @berkaydemiralp
    @berkaydemiralp Жыл бұрын

    👌

  • @stephengibson4727
    @stephengibson4727 Жыл бұрын

    Nice review can you review the Presonus E7xt oe E8xt

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    We’ll try!

  • @stephengibson4727

    @stephengibson4727

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction Okay just discovered you guys you do a great job

  • @ronedwards8239
    @ronedwards8239 Жыл бұрын

    I now own Adam & Evo😂

  • @jmizzbeatsj-jigga7888

    @jmizzbeatsj-jigga7888

    Жыл бұрын

    which one you preferred and why i'm really debating on the twin evo the new iloud twin mtm or the adam

  • @benjoe999
    @benjoe999 Жыл бұрын

    1:53 you wrote PMW but saying PWM!

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for pointing that out. Now sure how we missed that - it’s PWM

  • @Joey.Darkwoods-Studio
    @Joey.Darkwoods-Studio Жыл бұрын

    Man, I was waiting for this review... Like I have stated in another video, I am looking at my very first pair of monitors. I have the money for these but I am also debating on the T7V's. I know the A7V's are superior down the board, but they are also 3x the price in Canada ($349 T7V and $1030 A7V EACH) and since I wanted to add a few more pieces of gear to add to my setup. Baritone guitar and an acoustic... So I Hate between torn between such a decision.

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    The A7V’s are definitely a league above the T7V’s, which are more low-budget-oriented. Of course, remember that there are always other options from other brands for around the same price, all of which are good performers. Possibly look at the Focal Alpha 65 EVO? There are a couple of notches I’m not a huge fan of on them, but in general they are pretty powerful and pretty accurate.

  • @hienvu1714

    @hienvu1714

    6 ай бұрын

    The T series is nowhere near the quality of the A series. The tweeters look identical but one is handmade in Germany and the other is made in China. If you're looking at the T7, I'd check out the Kali IN8 V2.

  • @CheapoCardCompany
    @CheapoCardCompany Жыл бұрын

    I’d like to like the look (and sound, of course) of these... but, as usual, all that DSP sound-correction & EQ curving (favoured by many companies these days) just makes me think all you’ll hear will be several flavours of wrong. Heard ‘flat’ they may very well sound okay... but then you’re paying all that extra money for the fiddly bits. I get the idea of using something DSP-heavy (such as the i-louds, perhaps..?) for a portable rig, to set-up quickly for a different venue every day, but... for a permanent home/project studio... would the money be spent better on treating the room, rather than jiggling speaker settings? Maybe there’s a test video in that... heavily-DSP’d speakers, in a random untreated space, versus the same speakers, totally ‘flat’ in a treated room (?) Not sure how much you’d hear of these, out in the vacuum of the asteroid belt... but I imagine I did hear several Adam engineers shouting “...that’s PWM you tawt..!!” when the graphics came up.

  • @LaidbackSounds

    @LaidbackSounds

    Жыл бұрын

    i'm glad i'm not the only one thinking this too, i like straight forward speakers and the rest yes room treatment

  • @st33Npuist

    @st33Npuist

    Жыл бұрын

    @@LaidbackSounds PSI.

  • @flaw3dgenius222
    @flaw3dgenius222 Жыл бұрын

    7s surely dont give you enough low end?

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s exactly what I said in the video - the bass is a little low for my personal taste

  • @furiobisotti8150
    @furiobisotti8150 Жыл бұрын

    Hmmmm... I am not fully convinced. I listened to the old A7 in a shop here in Italy. Very few minutes, just a song, compared with another brand. Adam had a high frequency response for me unacceptable. The other thing was much more balanced. But it was a not controlled test, too short, no data about source, in a little booth. So, no big value of a test. But enough to put my attention on the AMT tweeter. I love AMTs since the first big one, found on ESS, 45 years ago. This new device has everything to be selected, I love the trick to add a profile from Sonarworks. Well done Adam, nowadays this is too useful. But I only would trust my ears. And amplification is not as I like, but price doesn't allow too much of a sophistication

  • @ronedwards8239
    @ronedwards8239 Жыл бұрын

    I thought these were very well balanced and the tweeter does not shout at you. But…they are very flat sounding, I’m not talking about frequency response. I’m talking about no depth to the image, 2D. Stereo image was meh. I agree they sound far better in the Pure mode. I just can’t get beyond the flat sounding image. My take, they are very well behaved but not inspiring. They’re going back.

  • @levinelson3508
    @levinelson3508 Жыл бұрын

    Looks like emotive

  • @HungryEatNow
    @HungryEatNow Жыл бұрын

    Achilles of amt tweeter...

  • @Deerob
    @Deerob Жыл бұрын

    HEDD>Adam, thank me later ❤

  • @tutubeos
    @tutubeos Жыл бұрын

    So……. You burnt down the studio just for 8 seconds of video? 😅

  • @mobeatzleeds
    @mobeatzleeds Жыл бұрын

    Yamaha all day send them off to get new crossover and they killer

  • @ACDevastation
    @ACDevastation Жыл бұрын

    Half of the video is covering the specs/features, rather than how they sound. I think everyone knows the latter is far more important.

  • @malibustacy3606
    @malibustacy3606 Жыл бұрын

    I'd like to ask that you send the monitors to me in Canada to enjoy and in return I would send you a generous quantity of clothes dryer lint, so soft and fluffy.

  • @HeadbangoO
    @HeadbangoO Жыл бұрын

    You been busier than a cat...

  • @turntheknob
    @turntheknob Жыл бұрын

    First

  • @MichaelAddlesee
    @MichaelAddlesee Жыл бұрын

    1% THD sounds rather a lot. Can you verify that please?

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    www.adam-audio.com/en/a-series/a7v/ Scroll down to the “amplification” drop down Amplifier Type: PWM Peak (10% THD, limiter deactivated): 110 W RMS (1% THD, limiter deactivated): 90 W Tweeter Amplifier Type: Class A/B Peak (10% THD, limiter deactivated): 20 W RMS (1% THD, limiter deactivated): 15 W

  • @MichaelAddlesee

    @MichaelAddlesee

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction Thanks for the quick response. I'm looking for near field monitors to produce very accurate reproduction of recordings of acoustic instruments e.g. classical guitar. Should I be looking at something other than the A7Vs? I'm currently running a class A amp with old passive speakers.

  • @PresentDayProduction

    @PresentDayProduction

    Жыл бұрын

    I personally didn’t hear any real harmonic distortion issues on acoustic music, however if clarity is of utmost importance, but you need a small speaker, then you’ll probably need to up the budget slightly and get something like the PSI A-17M. (Our speakers we’re releasing are not nearfields)

  • @MichaelAddlesee

    @MichaelAddlesee

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PresentDayProduction OK, thanks for the help. I shall check out the PSI A-17M.

  • @LaidbackSounds

    @LaidbackSounds

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MichaelAddlesee neumann kh120, you wont do better in the below 1500 euros the pair

  • @1337murk
    @1337murk Жыл бұрын

    Yooo

  • @the_newvoice

    @the_newvoice

    Жыл бұрын

    Oooy

  • @1337murk

    @1337murk

    Жыл бұрын

    @@the_newvoice Oooooooooooooiiiiiiii

  • @the_newvoice

    @the_newvoice

    Жыл бұрын

    @@1337murk OY! Keep your fingers out of my soup! :)

  • @the_newvoice

    @the_newvoice

    Жыл бұрын

    kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZoxmtqSAgpu8aLw.html

  • @1337murk

    @1337murk

    Жыл бұрын

    @@the_newvoice I'll teabag your soup

  • @maddietourmaline46
    @maddietourmaline46 Жыл бұрын

    Napcat 💤

  • @mobeatzleeds
    @mobeatzleeds Жыл бұрын

    Lol I think that to listen to there good but mastering no thankyou

  • @PeterKKraus
    @PeterKKraus Жыл бұрын

    No speaker sounds better on concrete, only worse.

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