ACW: Dakota War of 1862 - “Deathblow of the Dakota” - Part 2/2

Another big thanks to ‪@FieldMarshalYT‬ for their collaboration in these videos. If you like 18th-century linear warfare, consider checking out his channel!
After the first week of the uprising, Sibley is pressured to go on the offensive as the state receives more aid and attention from the East - including the defeated Major General John Pope. The division between the Lower Sioux and Upper Sioux provides an excellent opportunity to strike back. The Dakota's days spent in Minnesota are numbered.
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Sources:
Clayton, Anderson Gary Massacre in Minnesota: The Dakota War of 1862 - the Most Violent Ethnic Conflict in American History January 2023, University of Oklahoma
Carley, Kenneth The Dakota War of 1862: Minnesota’s Other Civil War
15 July 2001, Minnesota Historical Society Press
Clodfelter, Michael The Dakota War: The United States Army Versus the Sioux, 1862-1865 February 28th, 2006 McFarland and Company
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  • @WarhawkYT
    @WarhawkYT Жыл бұрын

    If you like this content and would like to see more, consider subscribing, it will help us out a lot! A big thanks to Field Marshal for their collaboration in these videos. If you like 18th-century linear warfare, consider checking out his channel. Link here: kzread.info/dron/9W9KktaxvEhEfdDm97l8Ww.html

  • @sgtstedanko7186
    @sgtstedanko7186 Жыл бұрын

    That looks like the battle of Wood Lake. Back in 2009 i dated a girl who grew up on a 150 year old farm not far from there. The foundation of the original homestead still had scorch marks from when it was burned to the ground. I've visited that battlefield as well as Fort Ridgely. Very moving experience. The landscape hasn't changed much in that area either. The ravine is still full of artifacts but it's on private property now. Thank you for covering the Dakota War. As a Minnesotan I'm happy to see a little known part of our state history finally recognized under the Civil War's bigger umbrella.

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Brought to you by another Minnesotan. You would be correct. I had to use one if Geister's paintings and google maps to remake the battlefield to what it may have looked like 150 years ago.

  • @kevinoquigley5837

    @kevinoquigley5837

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FieldMarshalYT Dave Geister is the best. Love seeing his paintings used like this.

  • @Qwalnuts
    @Qwalnuts Жыл бұрын

    I grew up in Shakopee, have friends of Dakota descent, lived in Mankato for a while, worked for the Nicollet County Historical Society at Ft. Ridgely and Traverse des Sioux, and have studied this war for most of my life. Both of these videos are expertly researched and provide a solid overview of the progression of the conflict. The conflict is not discussed much here in Minnesota, principally due to the tragic reality that it was, unavoidably, an intensely ethnic war. Where the cultural wounds of the Civil War are healed enough that the war is mutually commemorated, the cultural wounds of the Dakota War in Minnesota continue to bleed as if they'd been gouged yesterday.

  • @Shifty69569
    @Shifty69569 Жыл бұрын

    It’s wild how absolutely brutal life could be pre 1900’s.

  • @alphalunamare

    @alphalunamare

    Жыл бұрын

    Guess you missed the two world wars following?

  • @Shifty69569

    @Shifty69569

    Жыл бұрын

    @@alphalunamare yea true lucky enough to miss everything when I was born in the 90’a

  • @imgvillasrc1608

    @imgvillasrc1608

    26 күн бұрын

    Life is far more brutal without, advanced farming tech, modern medicine, and food preservation.

  • @bullrider58
    @bullrider58 Жыл бұрын

    As a Minnesotan who has visited many of these sites, it is amazing to see if actually covered by you guys! Thank you so much!

  • @gallantcavalier3306
    @gallantcavalier3306 Жыл бұрын

    Outstanding!! This was incredible!! The Dakota War is so little talked about. Will we be seeing more on the Plains Indian Wars in future videos? Like Red Cloud’s War? Or the Battle of the Washita River?

  • @cmc2550
    @cmc2550 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Warhawk for your hard work and all the informative topics your channel covers.

  • @WarhawkYT

    @WarhawkYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks cmc, I am glad you enjoy our channel so much!

  • @WyomingTraveler
    @WyomingTraveler Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for your excellent coverage of a little known aspect of the Civil War.

  • @WarhawkYT

    @WarhawkYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks man, always glad to see you around!

  • @c.w.johnsonjr6374
    @c.w.johnsonjr6374 Жыл бұрын

    If you have not been to the Birch Coule Battlefield, I highly recommend it. The state has placed footprints on the ground where you can stand and see what the soldiers and Dakota would have viewed that day.

  • @Minnvin
    @Minnvin3 ай бұрын

    Its crazy am just 50 miles from batttle of wood lake even though i have driven around granitefalls for years i had no idea there was a battlefield so close by thank you for the video it was great

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Ай бұрын

    I went by and saw the battlefield recently. It's not nearly as well-posted as the Birch-Coulee battlefield, but it's very nice. There's a good reference map some guy has in the Google Reviews if you go visit.

  • @afuea-qg5yo
    @afuea-qg5yo Жыл бұрын

    i was actually addicted to this series

  • @charlessaint7926
    @charlessaint7926 Жыл бұрын

    "Let it be a war of extermination!"~St. Paul Press, 1862. Okay. Are you going to take up arms and fight? "No. That sounds dangerous. You do it."~St. Paul Press.

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    The relationship between Sibley and the press in a nutshell.

  • @jonny-b4954
    @jonny-b4954 Жыл бұрын

    What's wild is we're only talking a few hundred deaths. Still a tragedy, of course. But, it's even smaller scale than medieval feudal Europe battles. I reckon depending on your perspective it was simply a fact of life that America was going to take those lands over. The time of the Native Americans had sadly come to an end. Not to say it couldn't have been handled better but in reality, that was likely never going to happen even in an ideal world.

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    The losses are small compared to say, a big battle like Antietam with hundreds of thousands of men, but to the people who lived through this it was like hell. It's one of the reasons I find this conflict so interesting is that it's very personal due to its smaller scale.

  • @AngryDogPerformance

    @AngryDogPerformance

    Жыл бұрын

    Likely couldn’t have been handled better. Suggesting it could have is revisionism. If it could have it would have been.

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    @@AngryDogPerformance The entire point of history is to learn from the past.

  • @dukesilver702
    @dukesilver702 Жыл бұрын

    I like this video. Im going to share it with my cousin in Minnesota

  • @WarhawkYT

    @WarhawkYT

    Жыл бұрын

    thanks bro, share it with whole state lol

  • @tomroberts9794
    @tomroberts9794Ай бұрын

    I enjoyed this very informative work. Thanks from Tallahassee, FL.

  • @timfrye3586
    @timfrye3586 Жыл бұрын

    Amazing! Thanks for posting!

  • @moach57
    @moach57 Жыл бұрын

    Amazing content yet again guys! Keep up the work.

  • @WarhawkYT

    @WarhawkYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Maggy

  • @jamesblight8073
    @jamesblight8073 Жыл бұрын

    Another fine video, and thanks for not sugar-coating the facts.

  • @stevelueb7787
    @stevelueb7787 Жыл бұрын

    Great Work

  • @sssox773
    @sssox773 Жыл бұрын

    Indians are always commended for their bravery but it seems like in this conflict they were not willing to fight to the death. Rather staying in cover or firing from a distance. Had they rallied and charged using their superior hand to hand fighting abilities, I’d like to think they could have swarmed the encampments. Knowing this was a war of extermination, how they did not commit every last man is a mystery. The natives were always their own worst enemy

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    They did that at New Ulm, but were chased out by reserves they did not see. They probably would have done so at Fort Ridgely too had the cannoneers not been there. It was - in a way - the one thing keeping them back because they had nothing to answer back with.

  • @aleashacasarez855

    @aleashacasarez855

    11 ай бұрын

    As I understand, the cannons were of grave concern to the Indians. Also I believe in the video they stated that moral on the Indian side was waning. And lastly, they're only human. I suppose as a point you can't blame them for not rushing into what they saw as certain death

  • @steveshoemaker6347
    @steveshoemaker6347 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent and very good war video....Thanks very much...... Shoe🇺🇸

  • @arailway8809
    @arailway8809 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks. History we don't often see.

  • @CivilWarWeekByWeek
    @CivilWarWeekByWeek Жыл бұрын

    Great work hope you two work together in the future

  • @jackjack_HD
    @jackjack_HD Жыл бұрын

    I'm glad videos like these exist, definitely good to remember about these small but significant Battles that took place during the era of the Civil War. Not enough people talk about the Sioux War which is unfortunate

  • @bigchief70
    @bigchief70Ай бұрын

    Imagine if the Ojibwe would've gotten involved and maybe even the Lakota and Hochunk

  • @zach7193
    @zach7193 Жыл бұрын

    What a ending to the content. The Dakota war of 1862 is the deadliest conflict West of the Mississippi. It is the most deadliest conflict in American history second to King Philip's War. The war reached fever pitch when it came to renew efforts for Manifest destiny.

  • @nickcappert4411
    @nickcappert4411 Жыл бұрын

    Would you ever consider doing a video on The battle of Little Bighorn in the future?

  • @micahistory
    @micahistory Жыл бұрын

    interesting video, it's pretty sad what happened to them

  • @nick21614

    @nick21614

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah 800 civilians killed and 30,000 refugees 😧

  • @timfrye3586
    @timfrye3586 Жыл бұрын

    AIM High!

  • @Thomas_Name
    @Thomas_Name4 ай бұрын

    3:26 Yes, obviously that is the only conclusion one might take 😅

  • @ak9989
    @ak9989 Жыл бұрын

    A big thanks for highlighting American history. I think more Americans should tour their own country instead of Paris or Barcelona. I've toured my country 18 times from 3 to 6 weeks and I love it so.

  • @janlindtner305
    @janlindtner305 Жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍

  • @illinoismotionpicturestudi5065
    @illinoismotionpicturestudi5065 Жыл бұрын

    “Minnesota!”- Joe Biden

  • @WarhawkYT

    @WarhawkYT

    Жыл бұрын

    SODA

  • @Bentastic197

    @Bentastic197

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@WarhawkYT I'm from Minnesota, it's called "Pop" bud.

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    MINNESOTA!!!!

  • @illinoismotionpicturestudi5065

    @illinoismotionpicturestudi5065

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FieldMarshalYT Obombna.. SODA!!!!

  • @jamesblight8073
    @jamesblight8073 Жыл бұрын

    Why were the soldiers chanting about Murfreesboro in 1862?

  • @WarhawkYT

    @WarhawkYT

    Жыл бұрын

    There was a smaller battle fought in Murfreesboro in 1862 where the 3rd Minnesota surrendered at, not the new year battle of 1863

  • @valhalla9688
    @valhalla9688 Жыл бұрын

    I personally feel like this entire conflict was created by the ineptitude of the federal government

  • @porcine83

    @porcine83

    Жыл бұрын

    That describes virtually every problem in our country, past and present.

  • @aleashacasarez855

    @aleashacasarez855

    11 ай бұрын

    Did you forget the part where 4 men were stealing a man's eggs and then tricked him with friendship and murdered him and his entire family in cold blood? The Dakota people then amassed and swept the land, massacring countless innocent lives, everyone who could be found. Entire families brutally tortured and killed for sport and fun. The Dakota tribe then escalated their evil further by declaring war on the white soldiers and outposts and attacked to kill them too. Only at this point did the Americans have the ability to regroup and fight back. The federal government had nothing to do with the brutal, evil acts of the individuals who began this conflict.

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    11 ай бұрын

    ​@@aleashacasarez855the Federal Government's ineptitude effectively created the deep resentment the Dakota had for the whites.

  • @jimbrew4529

    @jimbrew4529

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@aleashacasarez855Its generally agreed greedy, crooked Federal Indian Agents caused the uprising. President Lincoln became aware of fraud by the agents. He committed to address the situation, but was currently to busy with the American Civil War.

  • @inlandindieP35

    @inlandindieP35

    10 күн бұрын

    To an outsider like me, it appears that federal ineptitude or possible deliberate malfeasance in their delays and reductions in promised payments and seeds toward Dakota Indians caused Dakota anger to boil over. That said when the Dakota went on their rampage many of their white victims were hapless settlers who had never personally wronged them.

  • @JoeSmith-sl9bq
    @JoeSmith-sl9bq Жыл бұрын

    Did the Dakota give any fair trials to those they executed?

  • @WarhawkYT

    @WarhawkYT

    Жыл бұрын

    nope

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    An eye for an eye makes the world blind.

  • @webcelt

    @webcelt

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FieldMarshalYT I can't speak for all modern Minnesotans, but I can say many of us see the war as a huge tragedy, our own civil war.

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    @@webcelt I know, I'm a Minnesotan. It's a tragedy where really only those in power won. Regular white settlers, mixed bloods, and of course the traditional sioux got the worst of it all. Just to think it could have been prevented.

  • @webcelt

    @webcelt

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FieldMarshalYT By the way, well done on your series on the War of the Spanish Succession. I forget why I was looking it up. That's how I found your channel.

  • @kristinaF54
    @kristinaF544 ай бұрын

    So starvation kicked off the fighting between the Indians and the settlers? The settlers would never have traded food with the starving Indians even to avert war, I'm guessing, so hostilities were pretty much guaranteed. I'm wondering was it government policy to starve out the Indians by hunting buffalo (their primary source of food) to almost extinction, so that when starvation hit them and hostilities arose, they could use the fighting as an excuse to exterminate the Indians once and for all? I don't underestimate the cold calculating minds that certain men in power had at this time, which is no different from today's politicians greedy for wealth and power.

  • @patrickordos425
    @patrickordos425 Жыл бұрын

    Given the high number of killed and wounded american civilians I feel like the number of guilty natives was probably higher than 39 anyway

  • @alaksandutheexorkizein7634

    @alaksandutheexorkizein7634

    Жыл бұрын

    And what about the noncombaton Dakotan? Whatever you don't care.

  • @Bentastic197

    @Bentastic197

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@Alaksandu the Exorkizein In all respects, the highest number of native non-combatants that were estimated to be killed was 502. The minimum estimate for the settlers is 500 killed. More non-combatant settlers were killed by the natives then vice versa. Kinda had to expect the backlash from the settlers were going to be bad with forgiveness being hard to come by.

  • @marcelrenes2435
    @marcelrenes24353 күн бұрын

    The decendants of Col. Sibley should pay for his actions. I know this will amount in millions of dollars. But on the other hand, I see him as Hoss, the leader of Auswitsch. He did was he was asked to to. Beause the 'truth' always is by the winners, he never got convicted. Hoss was put to death, he was on the losing side. I really like to see America to look on what they did. Not only against Native Indians, but also against German in WWII. There are a huge load of war atrocities purportrated bu the USA wich we don't know about.

  • @natureschild2000
    @natureschild2000 Жыл бұрын

    Nicely done video but I think it needs to be more graphic in the description of what the fierce Sioux did to the innocent and helpless. Very brave Braves! They slaughtered the innocent and mostly helpless without discrimination to age, sex or condition. And for what? Not for food! If this had all been for food, they would have simply stolen food from the settlers, without bashing the heads of the children, to take back to their "starving" tribes. Did any of the post slaughter investigations determine how much food was stolen by the raiders and taken to their children? This was yet another characteristic atrocity committed by stone age warriors whose purpose in life was to maintain domination over the land that their ancestors had won by atrocity against other indigenouos tribes under the stone age law of sovereignty - survival of the fittest /meaning survival of the most savage, most cruel, most demonic to scare competitors away or annihilate them. One quote was shown on screen, gave the impression that it was the settlers who were savage: "(we must kill all Sioux or drive them from our state)". But this was an appropriate comment for what the warriors had done - it was not a "war" or a "revolt" but the unleashing of the furious will of this savage society in their determinaton to continue their wild and cruel stone age society, and the pride of their domination of others, and their prowess in war /stoneage cruelty. Some of these Sioux fled into plains to vent their murder and cruelty on pioneer families passing through "their land" on the was to build new lives by farming the land. They continued to terrorize, torture and murder in guerilla actions for nothing but vengeance and ego - they could accomplish nothing strategic from this, only create grief and suffering of the helpless and innocent - they were just venting their bitterness and hatred from losing their station as "lords of the plains". These were people whose hearts had hardened by fierce stone culture for thousands of years. This last biggest massacre of the helpless and innocent should be evidence for all time of the real nature of the "Native" Americans, why their stone age culture had to pass from America, as all stone age cultures had to pass elsewhere in the evolution of civilization: its code of savagery, ego, demonic cruelty arrested the expression of cooperation, rule of law, and the evolution toward Unity and Universal Love, the fundamental reality and the ultimate goal of the evolution of Civilization. If we had been there, would we not have also noted as the newspapers commented - that the savages were not fit to live, their culture not fit to continue. In the next video on this "war" there should be more detailed description of the savages actions /graphic detail of the mutilation, mercilessness, cruelty, description of the bodies of their victims, including how many were scalped - young and old, male and female to prove the "glory" or the "warriors". I think we all would realize why the indigenous stone age culture had to go to extinction, why those who held onto it /who loved the violence and cruelty, had to lose and be removed by death or exile from areas where they could never again do such deeds. Did the Sioux compensate other whom they dominated? Did they give them a "reserve" to continue to live on, and a pension of gold to help them survive? When they were attacked under the same code of survival of the fittest, did they give the attackers a "fair trial"?

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Im going to guess you misunderstood the video.

  • @natureschild2000

    @natureschild2000

    Жыл бұрын

    @@FieldMarshalYT You may be right. I would have made no comments 6 months ago when I first started to research by first hand accounts the behavior of the Indians during the three hundred years that the north-south skirmish line between the two incompatible civilizations, one basically hunter gatherer stone age and the other advanced cooperative industrial- agricultural, moved from east to west. That was when I realized that the impression that the demise of the North Americann stone age civilization was due to an act of genocide and injustice against the stone age groups is a gross distortion of history developed by people who did not experience the Indians firsthand and who romanticized the "noble" savage, including more recently by Hollywood, which is done by omitting facts or selectively reporting facts not favoring the Indians and including quotes and incidents that made the advanced civilization appear unjust and savage. I don't think anyone in our society would consider present day ISIS attrocities noble, though they were devoted fierce fighters. Calling it a "war" or a "revolt" implies that it was fought between two nations or that the warriors were trying to cast of some oppression. It was neither - the warriors were savaging and murdering the helpless innocent because they were angry that they could not continue their stoneage ways of domination of others by savagery and cruelty without rule of law, glorifying personal battle prowess and bravery (although what prowess and bravery is their surprise attack and slaughter of the helpless and innocent?) which is not war but lawlessness and ego, and there was no oppression but the inevitable inevitable evolution of civilization beyond the stone age. They murdered all those unsuspecting farmers and their wives and children because they "always had" and "would continue" to be the lords of the plains, which was accomplished by such savage crimes. Had the video given the details of the savagery to accompany the newspaper quotes which appeared to be genocidal mentality, or not used the term "war" or "revolt" which lend some legitimacy to the savagery, or noted the fact that the they were not gathering food to feed their hungry families but quenching their blood thirst and pride of power, now fading, then this would be a truer picture of the reality of that Dakota atrocity. Their defeat after all the carnage was not a "death blow" but justice, and lenient at that. You have to picture what happened on the ground, how those 800+ mainly helpless settler murders entailed, which is the essential reality of this event to realize this was not war or a revolt of noble savages responding to injustice but the inevitable action of the stone age mentality which never have happened if the Americans had initially "(killed them all or driven them out of the state of Minnesota)" which they did not do because they were CIVILIZED and empathetic - something lacking in the crude, brutal brains of those teens and twenty-somethings "braves" who wanted to continue the Old Ways where "a dog of my tribe is better than a man of the competitor tribe" and where cruelty and ferocity and indiscriminant killing and torture brings personal glory of the warrior and is a measure of their contribution to the tribe. Without graphic description and analysis of the North American stone age civilization attack on the more positive and advanced incoming American civilization, we cannot understand that history nor appreciate the ciilization which prevailed, and that the outcome was according to the natural imperative of civilization of to evolve toward the underlying reality of Unity of Univesal Love. Though the video is well done in presenting the chronology of events and outcomes, statistics, it does not capture the reality on the ground and the significance of those events.

  • @squid.com8927

    @squid.com8927

    Жыл бұрын

    @@natureschild2000I didn’t realize Andrew Jackson was on KZread

  • @jimbrew4529

    @jimbrew4529

    7 ай бұрын

    ​@@natureschild2000Prior to the Civil Rights movement of the 60s. The narrative depicted Natives as savages. Custer was a great American hero. Post 1970, the Indians were depicted as a noble victimized people and Custer deserved what he got. Funny how the depiction of historical events are tailored to fit what's currently politically correct.

  • @pomni_gotcha_editz
    @pomni_gotcha_editz Жыл бұрын

    When they shall see the conquest they shall not see this brutality as only cowards would kill ones who can’t defend themselves

  • @siroanderson8068
    @siroanderson80682 ай бұрын

    For the natives to show them how to thrive in the Americas then turn on the natives is a sad story, then try to be the victims is a given, they should have stopped this right when the settlers touched down.

  • @candykane4271

    @candykane4271

    Ай бұрын

    These particular natives were involved in trading and lived off the government paper money. These aren’t the ones they met on the East Coast, who taught Europeans how to use fertilizer. This is 1863, nearing the end of all Native American rebellion. There had not been much fighting. They had actually been at peace and settlers were very Christian towards their Native American brothers. In many ways. They were quiet Lutherans who wanted to farm and they were willing to share. 600 innocent farmers who did nothing to an native American personally were slaughtered, and if you don’t understand the word you need to read some firsthand accounts of what they actually did to people.

  • @forlornfool221
    @forlornfool221 Жыл бұрын

    Red Lives matter also.. We tha forgotten still remain..

  • @imcloaking
    @imcloaking Жыл бұрын

    Hi

  • @WarhawkYT

    @WarhawkYT

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi

  • @joelpiva1541
    @joelpiva1541 Жыл бұрын

    I can't believe you're quoting carol chomsky. Talk.about biased.

  • @Bentastic197

    @Bentastic197

    Жыл бұрын

    Care to elaborate? I'm not familiar with her.

  • @FieldMarshalYT

    @FieldMarshalYT

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@Bentastic197 she wrote a study on the trials conducted after the war at the University of Minnesota a good while back. People who think this two-parter biased clearly did not watch or pay attention to the first part.

  • @warrengoss7547
    @warrengoss7547 Жыл бұрын

    This shows why we were right in warring with those people. America shouldn't have given them any reservations on a permanent basis. We should take back all of that land.

  • @bobrosstv1556

    @bobrosstv1556

    2 ай бұрын

    America “gave” no land these were land cessions from a government to government basis. Nobody wants to restart the Indian wars for small strips of land around lakes and rivers in Minnesota or any other state. Get outta here with your manifest destiny nonsense you missed it it’s 2024 now.

  • @ak9989
    @ak9989 Жыл бұрын

    From Washington to Maine to Florida and back to California there is so much too see here. Indian sites are especially my favorite. From Fettermans fight to Wagon box all the way to Oulustee. I've love visiting and touring my country.

  • @MrJoebrooklyn1969
    @MrJoebrooklyn1969 Жыл бұрын

    Its a shame what our European ancestors had to go through because of these savages.

  • @seanautilis15
    @seanautilis15 Жыл бұрын

    there was plenty of evidence. take you lawyers and stuff it. they were guilty and everyone knew it. good result