Good video John.

@altruisticscoundrel

3 жыл бұрын

His video helped me understand your latest video. Thank you again for suggesting F Class John.

I am definitely going to buy one. I have a bunch of old 556 that has a very sharp point and always wondered why they started becoming more round. Now I can finally have them again. Thank you for doing this video.

That is interesting. I've never seen it done, much less an automated version. Thanks for sharing.

Well, F-Class John, I've got the die, the pointers, and now, I'm going to point my Berger 140''s for my 6.5x47 Lapua. Thanks for the video.

Very slick way to point.

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

great video, very informative

Man oh man! you guys go to the Nth degree on you reloading, nothing is left to chance. I don't have the money to have all the gear F-Class uses. my press is just a plain Jane one and I use a balance beam for my powder measures. (I anneal with a small soldering gas torch by eye). But then, if I did have al this to try to make the perfect projectile and case annealin, powder measure etc I'd want to put all my rounds I fired in the one hole, If I couldn't then, I just jump on my motorcycle and go for a long ride.

Thanks for sharing this information. I see where someone else does this on you tube .

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure.

Hello, thanks for the great video, how much percentage of gain in BC can one expect in a common 6.5 bullet after pointing ?

David C is hooking me up with some .264 Hybrids...this is definitely what is holding me back from breaking my PR of 193-3x ;) But seriously I enjoy seeing what you do with the 750/autodrive set-up. I've had a 650 for years but I was noticing on Saturday when I loaded 500 rds for pistol...oh this is more taxing than when I was in my 20's. LOL

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you got hooked up and that you ike the videos.

John, are you still trimming and pointing? I was thinking of trying to figure out a way to point on the lee app

What OAL tolerance are you sorting to for batches or don’t you worry about that?

I assume this make a more accurate bullet. Do you have any data that confirms that tipping is worth the effort? Thanks is advance.

Are you trimming the meplat before you point or just pointing them?

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

No I just point. I personally find that it’s way to easy to mess up bullets by trimming meplats plus I just don’t like doing it.

I have been debating the Hoover vs the Whidden and I am sure they are both very high quality pieces. The 1st big difference I noticed was that Hoover has over 25 different sleeves vs 4 sleeves for the Whidden system. His was designed with Brian from Applied Ballistics tho, so I think either will be fine at this point. I wonder how much those sleeves cost if you shoot and reload many types of bullets in many calibers? That may be a huge factor for us poor folks. I do really like the Hoover, but I am gonna do some math on sleeve prices and decide. I shoot 6.5 .30 and now even a .338 and having what 5 different types and brands of bullets thats 15 to 20 sleeves easily. Hmmm

I had a 284 Shehane built a couple of years ago and absolutely love it! Do you have any recommendations on where I can get a custom FL Sizer die made?

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

I believe you can send shot brass to Whidden and they’ll make one or you can get a reamer made based on your shot brass and then buy a die blank like a Newlon or Wilson and have your gunsmith make one.

@chazt4863

3 жыл бұрын

@@FClassJohn Appreciate the recommendation and will look into it! Thanks

Great video, I am curious, do the F class guys use the auto systems to get uniform strokes when reloading ?

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

There are some who do but there’s a wide range of press systems that f class shooters use. Everything from progressives to single stage and arbor presses.

@sparkyferret550

3 жыл бұрын

@@FClassJohn Thanks John, Appreciate the reply and info. I am gonna have to think hard about my next press :)

Have you noticed the flex in the tool head at the top of the stroke, and do you think it makes any real difference? I wouldn't think it would matter if the flex was even on both sides, but the die appears to cant at the top of the stroke. Thanks for the video.

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

It’s possible it makes a small difference but as long as it flexes the same each time you should be ok. My room head is screwed down so it doesn’t move. I actually backed off my pointing a little and now the die doesn’t move like you see.

@davidhutchinson6108

3 жыл бұрын

@@FClassJohn 10/4.

I guess that would work on cast and powder coated bullets.

I really have enjoyed learning from your channel, allot of really neat ideas and info... I kindly ask, (anybody can give your input on this for me) as me being a newbie into this. I see the advantages to pointing the projectile, but why not just buy the finely pointed Hornady A-TIPS Match... or the grain weight not heavy enough on those? Then, also, as I am learning, I have no clue of how true this is, but the various brands, based on how they are loaded, the tips while in flight, start down a path of melting... so, wouldn't a super fine point be more likely to start the melting easier & faster, vs a lesser fine point. Please note, I am basing that theory on some of what Hornady was battling, with the various composite plastic tips over other composites the are using now.. out side of the A-Tips, as you know as aluminum, but I really thought I heard them say even the aluminum tips start to melt due from the friction of their required job to pierce through the air.. Again, I can not confirm nor deny this as I have never filmed that in slow motion, .. Either way, neat ideas, as always.. I am loving this sport..

@kcstott

3 жыл бұрын

I won't speak for john. But in my experience the Hornady product while good and far better then average can't hold a candle for Sierra or Berger. that and the BC's are not as good as they claim.

Good afternoon friend, greetings from Spain, congratulations on your videos. One question, I bought that same one (bullet pointing die) now I need the B-20 punch for Berger 200.20x cal30 tips, and I can't find where to buy it and have it sent to Spain :( Do you know where I could buy it? Thanks for your time . David

@FClassJohn

12 күн бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. As for the dies and parts, I don't know where to find them in Europe but I would email the company and ask. They may be able to help.

@2012xtrem

12 күн бұрын

@@FClassJohn uff perfect thank you very much and very kind

That's pretty slick John, are you shooting those 180gr Bergers in a 28 shehane? If so what powder are you running in it?

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

I shoot them in .284 and .284 Shehane and use RL16 in both.

@ramsaycountry1177

3 жыл бұрын

@@FClassJohn ok John, thanks. I'm building a 284 shehane now.

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

Ramsay Country popular powders include RL16, 4350 and VVn165. I’ve also seen a lot of other powders used too but those are the main well known ones.

@ramsaycountry1177

3 жыл бұрын

@@FClassJohn thanks John. I like to find a powder and bullets ppl are having luck with and just buy 8lbs keg of powder and 500 bullets to start with run with it.

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

Ramsay Country RL16 tends to be more humidity sensitive, h4350 is a little more temp sensitive. Pick which affects you less.

Do you trim the meplat and then point or just point?

@FClassJohn

5 ай бұрын

Currently I just point

John, why don’t you trim the meplat before pointing? Does overall length matter? Does shape of the tip trump the OAL?

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

1)I used to trim but was always worried about causing more damage than helping. 2)I don't worry about OAL as much as I worry about having the right jump on a particular load. 3)Yes, you can screw up a tip badly and it will kill your scores no matter the OAL.

@wyattlarsen3880

3 жыл бұрын

@@FClassJohn So if OAL isn’t an issue how do you point? Select the shortest projectile and point to that dimension? I’m missing something. Sorry. Not thinking something through.

@wyattlarsen3880

3 жыл бұрын

@@FClassJohn ...should have said longest projectile. 😜

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

@@wyattlarsen3880 I'm not really saying it's not important because I know plenty of great shooters who sort then tip and it really is the way it should be done. But yes right now I take roughly the longest bullets out of small sample group and set the die for those. I'm not saying it's the most accurate but it's worked pretty well so far although again for the best accuracy you'd want to sort first.

would this setup point a 17 cal bullet or could it be easily modified to do it?

@FClassJohn

Жыл бұрын

You'd have to contact them about 17 cal to see if they could make one for you. Factory calibers start at .223 and go up.

I have bout 500 140 smk's I would like to point..been kinda thinkin bout it

I crushed my finger in a Dillon once.

But John, Berger has precision machinery, wouldn’t they be able to do that procedure when they make the projectile? After all, the ones that you purchase are for extremely accurate shooters, and you aren’t just buying a box a year……..iffn it’s better why don’t they do it in the build process? I never have been able to figure that out. Ideas?

@FClassJohn

2 жыл бұрын

Their new 190 hybrids and some other calibers are being pointed from the factory. My guess is the older bullets weights have existing dies they use so it wouldn't be cost effective to change them.

Trim before or after or not?

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

Currently not trimming and doubt I will. To easy to screw bullets up.

Why didn’t you show the bullet tip before and after ?

@FClassJohn

Жыл бұрын

Dunno. Guess I didn’t think about it for this video. I’ll be showing a brand new system for the 750 very soon and I’ll be sure to show before and after in that one.

Very cool concept. And thanks for another thing to spend $ on. :) Do you have a Patreon or like channel?

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

I just opened a Patreon account and I'm working to get some content on there.

@1917jmb

3 жыл бұрын

@@FClassJohn What is your "handle" over there? I searched and couldn't find anything.

@FClassJohn

3 жыл бұрын

@@1917jmb I have been trying to get it figured out but can’t find what I named it so may have set it up wrong. I’ll keep you posted. Thank you