Academia’s Secret Black Market Explained

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  • @PeteJudo1
    @PeteJudo12 ай бұрын

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  • @beenhog6922

    @beenhog6922

    2 ай бұрын

    Hey man. Chill with the ads... you made a 13 min video with a 2 min add. Dont be a shill man, be smarter than that

  • @necoji4910

    @necoji4910

    2 ай бұрын

    why you type like a cop

  • @HazyWave1974

    @HazyWave1974

    2 ай бұрын

    Love the channel, but man, you are killing your credibility shilling for Ground News. There's so much right-wing nonsense they've labeled as "Left" it's as ridiculous as the papers you're discussing in this video. I know you need to get paid, but c'mon, man.

  • @wasdwasdedsf

    @wasdwasdedsf

    Ай бұрын

    @@beenhog6922 he seems like a leftist vegetable, so hes probably not smarter than that

  • @JamesTrue

    @JamesTrue

    Ай бұрын

    Have to leave. Man you really really lost me here

  • @samryan180
    @samryan1802 ай бұрын

    Seriously, this is nuts. 11k papers that were "peer reviewed" were retracted recently. You are doing a great job of educating folks on this issue!!

  • @samuell.foxton4177

    @samuell.foxton4177

    2 ай бұрын

    Peer review isn’t working… I’ve peer reviewed for two journals by small publishers (one a University), and the process worked as it should, but it takes a lot of time outside a researcher’s day to review a paper properly (it’s good training though)

  • @samuell.foxton4177

    @samuell.foxton4177

    2 ай бұрын

    Maybe with the sheer scale of publication now, PhD students should be trained “live” in peer review as a matter of course

  • @salganik

    @salganik

    Ай бұрын

    That's why there are prestigious and ordinary journals. If only prestige journals would exist with a tough peer review, where should young career researchers (PhDs) publish the results of their first steps? Many such papers are very niche and technical with potentially not a great immediate contribution to the field to make a big statement. So many PhDs start with ordinary journals where peer review can be not too tough. Yet, I agree that it is sad that more and more papers are so bad that should be retracted. Yet, the fraction is really low with 0.03% in 2015 and 0.25% in 2022, mostly from SA, Russia and China.

  • @davidbrook7623
    @davidbrook76232 ай бұрын

    In my recent experience, publishers have started to emphasize that once the article is accepted, the author list cannot be changed. Now I understand why

  • @Heyu7her3

    @Heyu7her3

    2 ай бұрын

    I prefer when the author list is alphabetized, but it still sucks that the 1st author listed will be the 1 name used for in-text citations henceforth.

  • @salganik

    @salganik

    Ай бұрын

    @@Heyu7her3 No one ever alphabetizes the authors list. The first author always stays first. In rare cases, making several authors with equal contributions is possible.

  • @davidbrook7623

    @davidbrook7623

    Ай бұрын

    @@salganik Depends on the journal and the field. There is no cross-disciplinary standard as to who goes where in the author list. In chemistry, the PI, who is often also the corresponding author, is often listed last with their status indicated with a *. Some journals have started including a 'contributions' statement indicating who did what.

  • @danieldale1488

    @danieldale1488

    27 күн бұрын

    ​@@salganikin math, nobody cares about first author slots. In most cases, the author list is just alphabetized.

  • @GiuseppeBertini
    @GiuseppeBertini2 ай бұрын

    Careful Pete! (7:15) Elsevier, Oxford, Springer, Taylor & Francis, etc., are NOT journals; they are publishers.

  • @kalebyee

    @kalebyee

    2 ай бұрын

    He is a researcher and doesn't know what he's researching. This is awful

  • @stephenclark9917

    @stephenclark9917

    Ай бұрын

    @@kalebyee He's just using a short cut phase - all his audience will be OK with this.

  • @kalebyee

    @kalebyee

    Ай бұрын

    @@stephenclark9917 "all his audience will be OK with this" is a bold claim. Who is his audience? Do you know every one of them? And if you do, how do you know all of them agree on it? Also, "journal" and "publisher" are simple words. It seems he doesn't know the difference since he already said he is very careful with what he says in his videos

  • @arthurcuesta6041

    @arthurcuesta6041

    Ай бұрын

    Doesn't matter. They only partner with decent journals.

  • @kalebyee

    @kalebyee

    Ай бұрын

    @@arthurcuesta6041 you're saying that the words used don't matter in a KZread channel about science? Also, they matter, since he is talking about giving wrong or deceitful information, and saying a publisher is a journal is just wrong information

  • @drmadjdsadjadi
    @drmadjdsadjadi2 ай бұрын

    As a former editor of four different journals over the past 30 years, we have always had a policy that all authors must be listed at time of submission. We have never allowed the addition of any authors after acceptance as a change of authorship would be grounds for revoking the acceptance. I am shocked that other journals allowed this.

  • @itsgonnabeanaurfromme
    @itsgonnabeanaurfromme2 ай бұрын

    And here I am taking months to get actual research published...

  • @KateeAngel

    @KateeAngel

    2 ай бұрын

    Indeed, and editors criticize you over every little thing they personally don't like

  • @tiotsopkamouolivier3031

    @tiotsopkamouolivier3031

    2 ай бұрын

    I know right. It's really unfair that some people can get their papers accepted within days or a few weeks, while those who really invest their time and resources to do the right thing get rejected after waiting for months!

  • @automatescellulaires8543

    @automatescellulaires8543

    2 ай бұрын

    bad searcher. A modern searcher should publish at least two for every 5 minute of paid work. Otherwise, it wouldn't be worth financing any research.

  • @jackdra

    @jackdra

    Ай бұрын

    Took me 2 years on average to publish research...

  • @danderight2199
    @danderight21992 ай бұрын

    How in the world does someone think to get away with publishing two academic articles a week? I understand the unscrupulous will find ways to cheat, but to do it so clumsily? This is like a minimum wage earner robbing a bank, then returning to work in a Rolls Royce and not expecting suspicion!

  • @-astrangerontheinternet6687

    @-astrangerontheinternet6687

    2 ай бұрын

    I mean. Our politicians do that…

  • @alejandramoreno6625

    @alejandramoreno6625

    2 ай бұрын

    higher ups at the academic institution were very happy with it until it became too evident. I can't believe anybody would see an output like that and not think there's something dodgy there. But they always react surprised.

  • @danderight2199

    @danderight2199

    2 ай бұрын

    @@alejandramoreno6625 I’m sure that’s true, and recall similar nonsense from my school days. Publishing 2 papers a week though, is just comical, when each takes months or years to properly produce.

  • @SioxerNikita

    @SioxerNikita

    Ай бұрын

    @@-astrangerontheinternet6687 "Hi, I am person, I have to express my displeasure with politicians with a factually untrue exaggeration"

  • @sjpandolph
    @sjpandolph2 ай бұрын

    As a practicing physician, my patients are being deeply harmed by this academic behavior. I can no longer trust what is being published to treat patients.

  • @vyor8837

    @vyor8837

    Ай бұрын

    Right wing conspiracy theories, obviously. Just trust the science, obviously.

  • @aspid164

    @aspid164

    Ай бұрын

    @@vyor8837 Both are just opposing extremes

  • @matthewkott8863
    @matthewkott88632 ай бұрын

    As a journal editor, I was already approached by a Russia-based paper mill years ago. They offered several incentives, cash sums for papers, bonuses for speed and volume. They would even provide the peer reviewers, to make the process look legit on the system. I turned the offer down, but I wonder how many of my peers could not resist the temptation to make a quick buck (editors' remuneration is not usually more than a small lump sum stipend, if that).

  • @KateeAngel

    @KateeAngel

    2 ай бұрын

    As Russian why I am not surprised that these exist here...

  • @ifyoureadthisyoudi

    @ifyoureadthisyoudi

    2 ай бұрын

    In Soviet Russia, paper mill you

  • @irinalapina270

    @irinalapina270

    2 ай бұрын

    I wonder what the name of the a paper mill was? Or name of the person who offered it?

  • @irinalapina270

    @irinalapina270

    2 ай бұрын

    ⁠@@KateeAngelAs Russian I’m not surprised that some editor and a professor of Uppsala University who publishes and allows to publish only anti-Russian propaganda would lie here. This type of professors of sociology or politics such as Matthew Katy often use money from the Swedish or EU or USA government or sometimes private donations to publish made up, twisted or fabricated stories and research which supports their political narrative. Publishing necessary propaganda in scientific journals, books and movies is called “soft power” and is used as a psyop to manipulate public opinion. That’s why the West is so much obsessed with Russia and Putin that they have to spend money and their lives “investigating” Soviet Union and Russia to write nonsense and meaningless articles. So, don’t believe this professor.

  • @matthewkott8863

    @matthewkott8863

    2 ай бұрын

    @@irinalapina270 unfortunately, I can't seem to find the email from ca 2018 anymore. I spent quite some time looking, but Outlook and the university mail servers were fighting me every step of the way.

  • @caiparry-jones9775
    @caiparry-jones97752 ай бұрын

    Cost of adding an extra author to your paper: Nil Value of being an author: Keeps your career alive Changing the system so the above isn't true is the only long term fix for this issue.

  • @ferdinandkraft857

    @ferdinandkraft857

    2 ай бұрын

    They _are_ the system, they're not going to change it.

  • @binbadende

    @binbadende

    2 ай бұрын

    Adding authors to actual research papers is almost the honorable way today.

  • @linksvexier9272

    @linksvexier9272

    2 ай бұрын

    It can take only one paper to get the Nobel prize but in the British system (in New Zealand is what we follow) a hundred papers to be a Professor, what's more valuable?

  • @acmhfmggru

    @acmhfmggru

    Ай бұрын

    experimental particle physics papers have dozens of not hundreds of named authors... because experimental particle physics has been deeply corrupted for a few decades already!

  • @acmhfmggru

    @acmhfmggru

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@linksvexier9272transorbital lobotomy won the Nobel prize in medicine. the value of a paper (or rather, an academic) is always contextual.

  • @ShaktiChaturvedi
    @ShaktiChaturvedi2 ай бұрын

    So I used to work in corporate industry research, where all the focus was on being first to market with some relevant number. I could not stand it and I came to academia, guess who wears a dunce cap all the time now ! Thanks, I will share this with my family so they can understand how shady and murky academic publishing is. Its like nothing should be falsiable and you should get everything correct on first try or the funding or scholarship goes into the air. I have felt extremely mentally stressed, comparable to my corporate job where I was doing 10-11 hours for 5 days a week on stupid deadlines. The only thing I feel at times has changed for me, is that I set deadlines now. But with this whole, line goes up, number goes up approach even prevailing in academia. Maybe even that optimism will go away. Still thank you Pete :) keep up the great work.

  • @benzbubblecat
    @benzbubblecat2 ай бұрын

    as a researcher, it's honestly exhausting to think about how much of a burden honesty is. We spend a year or more of intense effort on a paper, while these psychopaths can just buy them with cash or fabricate them and the result looks the same on our CVs.

  • @SynthoidSounds

    @SynthoidSounds

    2 ай бұрын

    It's not just easy to get sucked into the fake publication vortex, it's almost impossible to avoid . . . the "cost" of honesty puts many at a distinct disadvantage, especially since this agenda has become the de facto norm, rather than the exception. Trying to compete with actual "honesty" is becoming evermore exhausting, while those who have become more adept at cheating with fake content simply accelerate past those who are still trying to remain honest, there's very little incentive to do so.

  • @horusreloaded6387

    @horusreloaded6387

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@SynthoidSoundsIt goes from exception to normal to expected. When everyone else game the system, why would you even try to be honest? If a position in academia requires points and fake papers are the easiest way to get points, and everyone from your friends to competitiors of the position does it; then why bother? And this expansive nature of corruption applies everywhere. It starts from regular college students(during the pandemic, they changed the exams to limit cheating by having too many questions with a harsh time limit, and only those who cheat were able to get high scores because of that; in the next exam less people tried to solve the exam by themselves.)

  • @le0nz

    @le0nz

    14 күн бұрын

    That capitalism for you, the rich just keep winning! Life not fair cope or ...

  • @bassetts1899
    @bassetts18992 ай бұрын

    We put so much faith in journals and their peer-review processes, it's hard to think about that faith being taken advantage of like this.

  • @itsgonnabeanaurfromme

    @itsgonnabeanaurfromme

    2 ай бұрын

    That's why reasoning and critical analysis is always necessary. Which is why people referencing papers isn't always true.

  • @useodyseeorbitchute9450

    @useodyseeorbitchute9450

    2 ай бұрын

    Who puts such faith? Neither masses buy it nor do people who actually had a few their papers reviewed... There is some only narrow band where people speak highly about it.

  • @Heyu7her3

    @Heyu7her3

    2 ай бұрын

    ​@@itsgonnabeanaurfromme it is true in regards to what the literature shows

  • @ZombieNinjaTurtle

    @ZombieNinjaTurtle

    2 ай бұрын

    Journals need to start treating reviewing as a real job and paying reviewers tbh, no wonder they half-ass it when they literally do it for free for these billion dollar worth journals most of the time

  • @DandoPorsaco-ho1zs
    @DandoPorsaco-ho1zs2 ай бұрын

    Trustworthiness of Academia? Almost zero after I did my PhD in science.

  • @WildeMike49

    @WildeMike49

    2 ай бұрын

    What was your PhD about?

  • @Heyu7her3

    @Heyu7her3

    2 ай бұрын

    Lol I couldn't even make it halfway

  • @charlescrawford9972

    @charlescrawford9972

    2 ай бұрын

    So it's your fault!

  • @yeetyeet7070

    @yeetyeet7070

    2 ай бұрын

    that's a cool field, I love the field of "Science"

  • @CordeliaAurora

    @CordeliaAurora

    2 ай бұрын

    In science Majored in science At science class In science university 😂

  • @TheZeemo
    @TheZeemo2 ай бұрын

    “Not like rubbish no name journals “ at this point with all the stuff you’ve been revealing my trust for reputable journals is starting to feel the same.

  • @vampir753

    @vampir753

    2 ай бұрын

    The other thing is that it happens occasionally (but rarely) that actually good and valid studies get retracted due to pressure from above because the conclusions of these studies do not go well with the interests of some people.

  • @GreenRexker
    @GreenRexker2 ай бұрын

    I'm stunned you can apparently submit to a "good" journal, and the standards are so lax that you can pull off all this craziness. If you were forced to have a 20 minute phone call with a subject matter expert discussing the paper before submitting, it would massively cut down on this fraud. And it wouldn't cost the journal that much to implement. The fact that scientists allow journals to have these low standards brings their occupation into disrepute.

  • @awuma

    @awuma

    2 ай бұрын

    This is a very interesting idea, given that conversations via Internet are essentially free. However, what Pete is describing appears to be corruption at the journals themselves.

  • @Heyu7her3

    @Heyu7her3

    2 ай бұрын

    That would make the cronyism worse

  • @GreenRexker

    @GreenRexker

    2 ай бұрын

    @@Heyu7her3 it's not about whether they think it's good or not, it's about if you can hold a conversation on the paper you supposedly wrote.

  • @JimAllen-Persona
    @JimAllen-Persona2 ай бұрын

    Publish or Perish is alive and strong.

  • @user-kb6rl4nr8e
    @user-kb6rl4nr8e2 ай бұрын

    great job. economics field also follows similar practices. an lse professor re-run the tests for many famous economics papers and found data manipulation but i cant remember the title of his article.

  • @mariakamran7442

    @mariakamran7442

    2 ай бұрын

    Alvin Young's Paper CHANNELLING FISHER: RANDOMIZATION TESTS AND THE STATISTICAL INSIGNIFICANCE OF SEEMINGLY SIGNIFICANT EXPERIMENTAL RESULTS

  • @sphakamisozondi
    @sphakamisozondi2 ай бұрын

    Publishing scientific papers on average 2-3 days, is not suspicious at all.

  • @KateeAngel

    @KateeAngel

    2 ай бұрын

    Meanwhile I can't write one for years 😂

  • @GoatBarn

    @GoatBarn

    2 ай бұрын

    If you live on the planet Venus...

  • @user-lt5no1xt1z

    @user-lt5no1xt1z

    2 ай бұрын

    It's actually possible if you have a bunch of PhD students and postdocs working for you , like maybe 10 postdocs. Some professors have that, but it might be close to 1 a week , not half that

  • @salganik

    @salganik

    Ай бұрын

    @@user-lt5no1xt1z True, but not the case for Filippo Berto. His NTNU group was not that big or productive. Instead, he had a lot of sketchy collaborations resulting in 871 papers in 2018-2023. The danger of such publishing is that even if those bad papers are not cited, you can get a lot of self-citations from them.

  • @LanceHKW
    @LanceHKW2 ай бұрын

    In the past I could do research on any topic and feel informed. Now, unless my expertise is in the subject I'm unsure if I can trust what I am reading.

  • @bartrese

    @bartrese

    2 ай бұрын

    So true. It’s honestly sad

  • @Zaguzah
    @Zaguzah2 ай бұрын

    10:47 LOL at the Paper Name Generator!™ 😂

  • @Heyu7her3

    @Heyu7her3

    2 ай бұрын

    I've pitched that concept before lol... like a "Research Paper MadLibs"

  • @11Fl0oW11
    @11Fl0oW112 ай бұрын

    Elsevier, OUP, Taylor&Francis etc. are publishers, not journals. Would be interesting how prestigious exactly the journals can be, bc. I reckon nobody would fall for a wrong author in high profile journals.

  • @davidbrook7623

    @davidbrook7623

    2 ай бұрын

    A large publishing house like Elsevier will have journals that vary widely in prestige

  • @Heyu7her3

    @Heyu7her3

    2 ай бұрын

    There's recently been a huge complaint or lawsuit against a few of the large publishers 🤔 I forget the details of it

  • @psyclotronxx3083

    @psyclotronxx3083

    2 ай бұрын

    Don't be so sure

  • @Agaporis12

    @Agaporis12

    Ай бұрын

    Reckon away. Only, nobody would believe a lie if they didn’t have confidence in the one who told it and considered themselves a good judge of character.

  • @cea90
    @cea902 ай бұрын

    I love your videos but damn 21% OF THIS VIDEO WAS AN AD!

  • @jake12466

    @jake12466

    2 ай бұрын

    THANK YOU, I was annoyed by that, too.

  • @jonathanbell5996

    @jonathanbell5996

    2 ай бұрын

    Dude has to pay his bills and it is free content, what do you expect?

  • @cea90

    @cea90

    2 ай бұрын

    @@jonathanbell5996 Well since my comment wasn't clear to you, I expect less than 21% of the video to be an advertisement.

  • @redactedbananas

    @redactedbananas

    Ай бұрын

    ​@@cea90How much did you pay for this video?

  • @paul-ie

    @paul-ie

    Ай бұрын

    Holy shit you're not joking. I get that you want to monetise but that is taking the piss

  • @lucabonaccio
    @lucabonaccio2 ай бұрын

    As a molecular biology student im dead by the end of this video

  • @gretalaube91
    @gretalaube912 ай бұрын

    It took me THREE years to do enough worthwhile research to publish ONE good paper. That included coming up with the idea, experiments, and finding and keeping someone willing to let me do it. System busted. Yeah. ...1991 PhD EE graduate.

  • @lematindesmagiciens8764

    @lematindesmagiciens8764

    2 ай бұрын

    Personally, I cling to the belief that quality is not quantity. And remind myself of the original article by Watson and Crick that established the helicoidal structure of DNA that was barely one page long. Yes, I understand that life is very difficult for honest people in academia. Journals have to urgently step up their peer review process if they wish to retain any credibility.

  • @lvt2050
    @lvt20502 ай бұрын

    "So Journals step up!" Journals: "Wait, what? We need to actually work now? WTF can we outsource it to research community? "

  • @guard13007
    @guard130072 ай бұрын

    I'm glad you're bringing attention to this problem.

  • @mikevincent6332
    @mikevincent63322 ай бұрын

    "Follow the science" "Safe and effective" "Global boiling"

  • @rogercroft3218
    @rogercroft32182 ай бұрын

    Is he daft? Didn’t he think that people would notice someone writing papers at this rate?

  • @patrickchase5614

    @patrickchase5614

    2 ай бұрын

    He actually told people that he wanted to be the most published author in Europe. Part of the problem was that in Norway the school (which would be nominally responsible for policing him) received state money in proportion to the number of papers published, so they had an incentive to look the other way. Retraction Watch covered this.

  • @awuma

    @awuma

    2 ай бұрын

    @@patrickchase5614 This is points mania. Using a points system is simply a lazy bureaucratic way of evaluation researchers and institutions, not requiring expensive oversight by real experts.

  • @patrickchase5614

    @patrickchase5614

    2 ай бұрын

    @@awuma It's what I like to call "false objectivity'. Unfortunately it's extremely common the world over.

  • @EmpiricalPragmatist

    @EmpiricalPragmatist

    2 ай бұрын

    @@patrickchase5614 Goodheart's Law 101.

  • @patrickchase5614

    @patrickchase5614

    2 ай бұрын

    @@EmpiricalPragmatist Absolutely. You will get exactly what you measure and no more.

  • @Enhancedlies
    @Enhancedlies2 ай бұрын

    please don't stop!

  • @CamCovello
    @CamCovello2 ай бұрын

    Pete I will literally send you a free microphone… please use a mic.

  • @CamCovello

    @CamCovello

    2 ай бұрын

    And thank you for another great video.

  • @JuanEstrella-Martinez
    @JuanEstrella-Martinez2 ай бұрын

    Great camera setup but, mate, you need a better mic. Also when you mentioned the journals where these papers were published you named publishrs. Plenty of crap journals under those publishers.

  • 2 ай бұрын

    Uhh yall audio bros are so petty... i can hear him just fine

  • @souvikchakraborty3620
    @souvikchakraborty36202 ай бұрын

    Please make a video on paper mill master from India, Abhijit Dey, assistant professor, Presidency University.

  • @servicekid7453
    @servicekid7453Ай бұрын

    As a former academic i can tell you with 100% confidence that this sort of gaming of the system to obtain funding and tenure is widespread. I pointed this out repeatedly over several years and was ignored or worse, attacked. You should not trust the research base that is out there in the literature, nor should you trust academia to police itself or correct itself. The rot is deep in the roots and too many people have too much to lose.

  • @Im-VT
    @Im-VT2 ай бұрын

    Comedy gold, love it. Keep the heat on these “researcher” goobers

  • @jayrollo1352
    @jayrollo13522 ай бұрын

    Wow I had no idea about this. This looks so cool. 5k for an authorship placement on a good paper is awesome!!!

  • @BernhardtBauer
    @BernhardtBauer2 ай бұрын

    As someone familiar with cytometry plots, you could've at least attempted to explain them, if you pulled them up. The statement you make is correct but "This is fake and I won't explain why" is not the scientific way of arguing your case.

  • @bartrese

    @bartrese

    2 ай бұрын

    Because he doesn’t know! If you’re familiar with them, like you are, you can look it up yourself. I understand your point but I personally feel as though it’s better to say, hey I’m not familiar with this so I’m not going to attempt to explain it to you

  • @BernhardtBauer

    @BernhardtBauer

    2 ай бұрын

    I see your point but here's my take: if you don't get it, don't cover it. If you do report on something, make sure you know what you are talking about. I don't think that's a wild take.

  • @JP-lz3vk
    @JP-lz3vk2 ай бұрын

    I want science to progress, to be as Carl Sagan put it "a candle in the dark". But academic publishing has no defenses against fraud when it has such a cosy relationship with academics who have massive motivation to push out poor or just outright fraudulent papers and peer review is hopeless to detect it. When was the last time peer review spotted fraud? The problem is the "star system" in academia that rewards productivity over everything else to advance careers.

  • @Heyu7her3

    @Heyu7her3

    2 ай бұрын

    It rewards prestige, name recognition/ branding, & the status quo

  • @MechMK1
    @MechMK12 ай бұрын

    Tell me again, why do we need journals? What value do they provide again?

  • @craigbenz4835
    @craigbenz48352 ай бұрын

    If publishing was less valuable to authors, then we would see less of this. Can it be made less valuable?

  • @whycantiremainanonymous8091
    @whycantiremainanonymous80912 ай бұрын

    7:23: These are all publishers (all major for-profit publishers!), not journals.

  • @antarcticgekko

    @antarcticgekko

    Ай бұрын

    Agreed. I'm a great fan of this channel, but its credibility would be enhanced if it used more accurate terminology.

  • @RyanWalsh-qr6sd
    @RyanWalsh-qr6sd2 ай бұрын

    Could you provide info/blog link for Elizabeth Bik in the description

  • @user-fe9dj6wq8e
    @user-fe9dj6wq8e2 ай бұрын

    (Don't mind me here frantically skipping back and forth because I just can't figure out if I'm in the Ground News sponsor segment now or not.)

  • @Diskretisierung
    @Diskretisierung4 күн бұрын

    I did a Phd 10 years ago, at that time and still it is, papers are like cigarettes in jail. You have it you are somebody. So it is just a natural thing that the numbers of papers were skyrockening, and the peer review mechanism was losing quality. It bothers me why developments in science and also politics can be forseen very easily, but nobody is doing nothing at the right moment.

  • @OiOChaseOiO
    @OiOChaseOiO11 күн бұрын

    It would be nice to see a video on what academic institutions are doing to fix this problem.

  • @missl1775
    @missl1775Ай бұрын

    I just submitted a paper for school - no original research, no new conclusions, just an undergrad literature review - and suddenly I'm wondering if what I wrote was based on solid research. Many of the papers came to similar or the same conclusions and sort of serve as a backup for each other, but if I'm just learning about this stuff, how am I supposed to be certain that all 12 (?) were legitimate? This is... Is there a career in doing research forensics? I'd like to channel my frustration, and I am decently good following things back to the source with knockoff products and random quotes. I wish a job like that wasn't necessary but if it's going to become a 21st century career, I might like to be involved.

  • @hipsterbm5134
    @hipsterbm51342 ай бұрын

    Over 20% of this video is an ad

  • @jake12466

    @jake12466

    2 ай бұрын

    Yeah that was annoying a.f.

  • @DrLowHouse

    @DrLowHouse

    2 ай бұрын

    This is why Rumble is much better than You"Goatse"Tube

  • @beenhog6922

    @beenhog6922

    2 ай бұрын

    I know its embarrassing

  • @tomatoflight

    @tomatoflight

    2 ай бұрын

    It's one sponsorship, you can skip through it if you want

  • @TimNei

    @TimNei

    2 ай бұрын

    I don't hate it. If it's a 2 minute ad every time, sometimes it's a 10 minute video, sometimes it's a 25 minute video. We need him to be able to keep this fight up and views just don't cut it. Obviously I wish it was shorter, but not hating as long as he isn't advertising a scam.

  • @EricAwful313
    @EricAwful3132 ай бұрын

    Cytometry plot is basically just the readout of a flow cytometer,

  • @salganik
    @salganikАй бұрын

    Ex NTNU PhD here. In the introduction the professor working in Norway was mentioned with 2 papers per week. It was indeed a big scandal here. Yet, you immediately proceed to paper mills. With all my disrepect to that researcher, it is not scientific or ethical to connect these disconnected things. Filippo Berto has comparable amount of papers (274) than both paper mill schemes mentioned in this video. There is no any proof that any of his papers were published in such a way. Yet, there is a way easier explanation. A lot of big names are co-authors in nearly all papers in their labs. Imagine a strong group supervised by a leading professor. If you have 20-30 PhDs and postdocs publishing 2 first-author and 4 not-first author paper per year, it is already enough to have 2 paper per week. And contribution of such leader can also include things like: he developed a software many others are using, he published a valuable dataset used by many others, etc. Sometimes this is overused, like in Berto's case. But he is probably not using any paper mills, as many tens of his papers are cited over 100 times and they are all in the same field (material engineering). So, yes, it is not cool to co-author so many papers of people who are dependant on you (young career researchers) and cannot say no. Yet, it is also not cool to make a video falsely connecting two disconnected things.

  • @albertyu750

    @albertyu750

    Ай бұрын

    Very interesting, thanks for the share. I do agree, PIs strong-arming students into co-authorship is not a very moral or ethical thing to do.

  • @FlashMeterRed
    @FlashMeterRed2 ай бұрын

    That list was publishing groups not journals

  • @ineedazerosuit6128
    @ineedazerosuit61282 ай бұрын

    After looking at some of International Publishing's listings, it appears that they are now recruiting authors prior to submission. Many of the publication dates are not until 2025 or even 2026 in some cases. It makes me wonder if there are any companies that allow academics to pay to meaningfully participate on others' papers. As in, some data analysis or task is reserved for paying authors to do in order to defend against fraud allegations.

  • @ponch851
    @ponch85114 күн бұрын

    it's strange to see a familiar face in these videos, Berto was at the University of Padua when I was also a student in the faculty of engineering, I think he taught a course in machine design although I had a different professor.

  • @WilhelmDrake
    @WilhelmDrake2 ай бұрын

    The journal system needs to be abolished.

  • @LordHonkInc
    @LordHonkInc2 ай бұрын

    So if every time I played Mad Libs in high school and used scientific terms instead of synonyms for penis I could've gotten published in a medical journal? Wack

  • @hoi-polloi1863
    @hoi-polloi18632 ай бұрын

    Listening to this, I'm drawn to this question: how *do* journals vet the papers which are submitted to them? Do they have a staff of experts to do a sanity check, are they counting the average syllable length of words, or...?

  • @albertyu750
    @albertyu750Ай бұрын

    Yeah, those flow cytometry dot plots look really sus. There is barely any stray cells and the cells are so perfectly clustered, almost like they're not cells...

  • @seongunness608
    @seongunness6082 ай бұрын

    do you think theres fraud in other types of writeups as well? eg: whitepapers,technical docs,industry reports,case studies, etc Im guessing there is but its not as bad cause of the nature of these other types of writeups

  • @timguo6858
    @timguo68582 ай бұрын

    I lean more on the second explanation because most journals have separate deadlines for the author list and final revision of the paper.

  • @user-iz3el5iy9y
    @user-iz3el5iy9yАй бұрын

    Pete, Walters, Springer, etc. are not journals, they're publisher conglomerates

  • @briant7265
    @briant72652 ай бұрын

    There was an interview with one of the group that submitted ridiculous, made up research papers, and had several accepted before they were figured out. Their goal wasn't fraud, but rather to expose the lax standards of the journals. He said after a few submissions, he figured out a "formula" for getting a paper accepted, and a high success rate immediately followed. One paper was on something like observations of homosexual behavior of dogs at a dog park. Another was a translation of a section of Mein Kampf into a feminist tract. The journals need to publish just as badly as the academics need to be published.

  • @euchale
    @euchale2 ай бұрын

    I trained a image generation model on western blots out of interest and it worked surprisingly well. Scary times are truly ahead.

  • @trottermalone379
    @trottermalone3792 ай бұрын

    Resuscitating the exposé. As valuable as anything on KZread today.

  • @captainsnake8515
    @captainsnake85152 ай бұрын

    Interesting video, however you called Cambridge University Press and Springer Nature (among others) “journals” even though they’re not publishers.

  • @camfree1076
    @camfree10762 ай бұрын

    All of science papers need to go in the trash and it all needs to be redone properly without corporate corruption

  • @dsolis7532
    @dsolis75322 ай бұрын

    Bother, your videos are way more popular now. Can you fix the audio?

  • @eholmes9612
    @eholmes9612Ай бұрын

    Great channel.

  • @profdc9501
    @profdc95012 ай бұрын

    Why don't they just cut out the middleman and auction off the Nobel Prize?

  • @vladpetric7493
    @vladpetric74932 ай бұрын

    One should train LLMS to detect similar papers (once you have a couple of them)

  • @stischer47
    @stischer472 ай бұрын

    If you steal from one source, that's plagiarism. If you steal from many, that's research. Remember that PhD just means "Piled Higher and Deeper".

  • @user-gn2hg1ve7v
    @user-gn2hg1ve7v2 ай бұрын

    Pete is dropping truth bombs and bringing the receipts! Great channel.

  • @user-vb3ly7ib4r
    @user-vb3ly7ib4r2 ай бұрын

    So what's the solution? Sounds like paying for an independent review or an independent lab to replicate it.

  • @kiarakalasnikov7505

    @kiarakalasnikov7505

    2 ай бұрын

    Idk that's undoable for anthropology studies. Perhaps checking how much each author knows about the study that they did? Including how the study can connect to other studies

  • @user-cg9uf1mu2z

    @user-cg9uf1mu2z

    18 күн бұрын

    Solution is to drive money earnings out of science. Nowdays the more scientist producing papers the more money he gets. So scientist have to release papers no matter what. But how to do it is separate question, which I can't answer.

  • @user-vb3ly7ib4r

    @user-vb3ly7ib4r

    18 күн бұрын

    @@user-cg9uf1mu2z you could have them get money by replicating science and peer reviewing. We could insure scientists and their work and if someone finds dishonesty, pay out to claim

  • @Omar-sj7wl
    @Omar-sj7wl2 ай бұрын

    What do you do if you think that an author is participating in a paper mill?

  • @alejandramoreno6625
    @alejandramoreno66252 ай бұрын

    Every week I get two or three e-mails from "publishers" asking me if I want to send specific papers to their journals. Papers that have already been published. I suppose people may change the title, re-arrange the abstract and publish a paper twice, and the "publishers" know this.

  • @johnsimca7093
    @johnsimca70932 ай бұрын

    Is the validity of the data necessarily compromised?

  • @TheJhtlag
    @TheJhtlagАй бұрын

    So, I could go out and spend $1000 and get my name as an author on a paper? This sounds like fun. I actually sympathize with the Chinese medical students, buying a paper seems like the correct answer for getting through the bureaucratic morass and getting on to what they aspire to do: heal patients.

  • @lynlix1086
    @lynlix10862 ай бұрын

    Those flow plots look INSANE

  • @user-vb3ly7ib4r
    @user-vb3ly7ib4r2 ай бұрын

    How much of this is due to the public? Do we support ethical researchers? Seems like only the corrupt survive.

  • @MrScientifictutor
    @MrScientifictutor2 ай бұрын

    Glad to see you using the scientific term " tippy top"

  • @SubtleForces
    @SubtleForces2 ай бұрын

    I don't think you have nailed the root cause. Some people would never be tempted by evil and deceit because they are forthright, virtuous, bound by a feeling for justice and a courage to think for themselves, the fortitude to withstand temptation and the temperance needed to endure hardship. Others aren't. Why? That is the question that you need to ask yourself, however obvious it may seem to me

  • @maz3808
    @maz38082 ай бұрын

    Similar to Hindawi. MDPI is very suspicious? It had been investigated in the past several times for shady and corrupted practices?

  • @bingbong-yn6yg
    @bingbong-yn6yg2 ай бұрын

    you make realy good videos , keep it up :)

  • @killa3x
    @killa3x2 ай бұрын

    Damn. So Pete should we trust any journal?

  • @Tassdo
    @Tassdo2 ай бұрын

    What you listed at around 7:21 was publishers, not journals. Even well known academic publishers have tons of crappy journals.

  • @GoatBarn
    @GoatBarn2 ай бұрын

    Berto's undermining the term Doctor of Philosophy and reaffirming that his academic title of "Ph.D." truly meant Piled High and Deep.

  • @justforplaylists
    @justforplaylists2 ай бұрын

    Not related to this video, but to the stuff the channel talks about in general: My friend told me their advisor set up a symposium in Europe so that he could have taxpayers fund his and his friends' travel to his destination wedding.

  • @gizald
    @gizald2 ай бұрын

    Honestly, the Russian paper mill is not that different from how 'legitimate' authorship is determined. The real ethical violation is that the other authors weren't informed. Frankly, I would prefer to give Dr. Moneybags an authorship spot over Dr. I-Work-Down-The-Hall-But-I-sleep-With-The-Dean.

  • @misslayer999
    @misslayer9992 ай бұрын

    You know all those "journals" you listed (Elsevier, Springer, ect) are not journals, they're publishing companies. Not exactly the same thing.

  • @TripImmigration
    @TripImmigration2 ай бұрын

    Wait until you discover some countries doesn't have regulations to OPEN a scientific journal

  • @reporeport
    @reporeport2 ай бұрын

    I Love all your vids

  • @comentedonakeyboard
    @comentedonakeyboard2 ай бұрын

    Currency is the currency of the age, even in Academia.

  • @notakirakarakaza2118
    @notakirakarakaza21182 ай бұрын

    I believe International Publisher llc. has an office right next to Real Business Inc. and Dr. Scienence & Partners

  • @cinemaipswich4636
    @cinemaipswich46362 ай бұрын

    Journals and Seminars are made for profit, even without corruption. Seminars are for high ranking public servants to have a free holiday, at the taxpayer's expense. From Local Administration staff to High Court Judges, seminars are a grift.

  • @RetroResearch
    @RetroResearch2 ай бұрын

    The problems with highlighting the bias of a publication are several. For instance, how are publications that assiduously avoid bias categorized? And how do we expose the bias of the auditor who assigns them a bias? A major problem facing independent publications over the past few years has been that if they do not adhere to the prevalent bias in the mainstream, they are labeled "extremist" or "far-right" over and above the objectons of the publications themselves. This is done explicitly to impugn the credibility of sources that may actually be intent on objectivity. Since it is can be difficult to ascertain the bias of the service that categorizes sources on the basis of bias, the ultimate value of such a service is suspect. One cannot know the motivations behind the categorizing of a specificn source according ro bias--nor should an intelligent adult simply trust such a service that purports to do so. Such a service can easily become a murky form of censorship and thought policing. The final problem with such a service is that it would tend to apply an ideological spectrum that may be irrelevant to the subject matter at hand. It would tend to have a kind of intellectually homogenizing effect that would ultimately distort the aims of pure inquiry. The presumptuous pairing of "left-leaning" and "high factuality" in this video should raise alarms, especially when contrasted with "right-leaning" and "low factuality". Twenty years ago, such obvious bias would have stood out as improper and even laughable. Intelligent people of any ideological persuasion would have avoided a service that espoused such heavy handed and flagrant biases. Today, this kind of thing is embraced. Very sad.

  • @darsshanm5335
    @darsshanm53352 ай бұрын

    Video starts are 3:25

  • @ThomasAT86
    @ThomasAT862 ай бұрын

    Maybe a bit harsh, but honestly, messing with science and research in that way should be punished as one of the worst crimes. Literally holding back advances in serious areas that affect billions of people.

  • @kagitsune
    @kagitsuneАй бұрын

    The solution isn't going to come from the publishers, they're famously the most greedy of all. We're going to have to do this together, or else that last 20+ years of research output is suspect. 😬

  • @mantasr
    @mantasrАй бұрын

    Ask me anything about flow cytometry. Those looked like a bunch of negative expressions.

  • @hydrohasspoken6227
    @hydrohasspoken6227Ай бұрын

    Damn. I thought Hendrik Schön with his 1 paper/week was the very best.

  • @andystout3551
    @andystout35512 ай бұрын

    There is actually no such thing as "fake science". That's as self-contradictory as a "round square".

  • @RJKYEG
    @RJKYEG2 ай бұрын

    In addition to all this phoney stuff, many "legitimate" papers, despite peer review, have substantial flaws or get wildly misconstrued by later works by other "scholars".