By the sound of all that wind in the background they should have put a sail on the engine instead of steam!

What's funny is that she still looks amazing even when stalling. Trying to get an A4 to do a hill-start is like trying to get Concorde to do a loop-the-loop.

@collinblack8474

4 жыл бұрын

When flying Scotsman was in Australia she climbed the mountains with ease. 275 tons up five miles of 1 in 40 Cowan bank and did the same over the blue mountains with a ruling grade of 1 in 33 for 30 miles. I don't blame the driver but Bitten might not have had the right wheel profile for this line. That's why I think she did struggle.

@ScotSteam47

4 жыл бұрын

@@collinblack8474 Australia's a dam sight dryer and dustier than here...

@125sloth

3 жыл бұрын

@@ScotSteam47 Not that dusty actually. I lived there for years. Dust is mainly inland. And Australia actually has more rain and floods than the UK in reality. That said, this class of steam engine might be one of the fastest about, when they finally get going, but have always been susceptible to wheel slip on even dry tracks.They are arguably not a great design. I know the purist "puffer nutters" may not agree, (bit of satire there, settle down), but many rail people would agree that these locomotives were over rated. And those people actually have a point. Mallard for example was fast, no argument there, but a piece of crap when the slightest drop of water was on rails. It's all very well breaking speed records etc. but getting moving from the start also has to be efficient. A4's were often an embarrassment for traction.

@Frserthegreenengine

2 жыл бұрын

@@collinblack8474 that and Bittern was also going way too slow. A4s were simply not designed for this particular route.

@SvenTviking

Жыл бұрын

Concorde was rolled at least once.

Good driver managed to get her up there especially from a complete standstill

@jackmehlin5342

4 жыл бұрын

Mark Newell good

Alright everybody, get out and push.

@LazyOldFusspot_3428

9 ай бұрын

My doctor has forbidden me to push

@nealwhite5602

9 ай бұрын

come on now , every body

@daxt1523

7 ай бұрын

Grunting AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

It takes a lot of skills and patience the driver hear looks as though he was happy on the gas and not letting her get her momentum back before advancing the reverser

Not a stall, slipped to a stand on a wet rail as others have pointed out. Pumping the regulator to give one beat at full, almost close then half then full then almost close or similar was an ECML standard for a tricky start like York 9N. A stall is when there is insufficient power to move the train, usually due to low boiler pressure

@michaellane1620

11 ай бұрын

clever ass !

My dad, a BR steam driver always says these are down to the driver not the loco. It is not that current steam drivers are poor, so much as when you drove every day you got an instinct for the job. Personally I think the driver of Bittern did a pretty good job, nearly getting it going like that,

@timothypurser8729

9 жыл бұрын

John H Also the larger the driving wheels get the worse the locomotive is at pulling weight. As it slowed down on the hill because the wheel and the stroke was larger the gap inbetween cycles where steam wasn't able to enter the cylinders was longer and longer.

@MrKotBonifacy

5 жыл бұрын

John H, absolutely - a wimpy driver just can't push the train hard emough, can he? Now, jest aside, a poorly skilled driver won't be able to get the most of the loco, and a skilled and experienced driver can take the most from what the engine can do - but that's it, you can "push" the loco only so much, only within it's limits, period. You just can't get the shunting loco to run 100 mph, or use a light tank engine to pull a heavy freight train on a steep gradient, no matter how skilled or experienced you'd be. As simple as that.

@MrKotBonifacy

5 жыл бұрын

@@timothypurser8729, the steam engine is designed in such way that there is never a dead point in powering the motions - cylinders are set in “out of phase" configuration (meaning, if one piston is in it's "dead point", the other one is in mid-stroke; things get bit complicated in three-cylinder engines, but the design principle is the same, only technical details would be different). Granted, there is an issue of "high-pressure/ first stage" cylinder and "low-pressure/ second stage" cylinder, when applicable (if high pressure cylinder is not getting fresh steam because the loco is stalled, the steam in low pressure cylinder, which is re-using expanded steam from high-pressure cylinder, may cool and condense a bit, thus lowering pressure) - but AFAIK not all locos use this two-stage system. I might be wrong here, but this is not, I believe, the main issue here - this is just a secondary "technicality”. The main point of my rant here is basic physics. And yes, the lenght of the cycle of steaming-up cylinders plays some role here, but it isn't the key part here. At least, not in my view. Clearly, that poor engine here has enough power and steam to pull the train (tractive force), but way to little in “adhesion to rails” department - thus it cannot transfer effectively the force it has has at its disposal to the rails. And without that power transfer it can’t pull the load forward. Well, that’s pretty obvious, innit?

Bags of energy available, just get it down to traction!

This is what the GWR Kings were built for. No better than a Castle on the flat bits but they could pull massive trains up the Devon banks - smaller driving wheels and nearly all of the weight on them. Couldn't go further than Plymouth though, as they were too heavy for the Royal Albert Bridge. The A4s were built for the very flat East Coast line.

@deeremeyer1749

6 жыл бұрын

Massive trains? You don't know what the hell a SMALL TRAIN is over there much less a "massive one". 10 or 12 lightweight passenger coaches on tiny little half-assed "hills" shouldn't challenge ANY "mainline" steam locomotive built since the late 1800s that's worth a shit to begin with. Of course putting idiot "volunteers" who are overgrown elderly children and never spent a minute of their "careers" driving anything but a desk but always wanted to be "train drivers" in the cab of any locomotive is "disaster" waiting to happen. You have to be a special kind of stupid to not get that if you have a POS "throttle" system on a locomotive to start with the last fucking thing you want is a "full head of steam" climbing "hills" you know or at least should know from the THOUSANDS OF TIMES THIS EXACT THING HAS HAPPENED AND THE DOZENS IF NOT HUNDREDS OF VIDEOS OF IT HAPPENING ON KZread are going to be a challenge for that POS regardless and particularly when OTHER "railroaders" decide to put as many freaking cars in the "consist" as they possibly can like THEY shouldn't know better too. EVERY STINKING ONE OF THESE PATHETIC SPIN/STALL VIDEOS WITH BRITISH "STEAM POWER" LOOKING LIKE THE OVERRATED JOKE IT WAS/IS "FEATURES" A LOCOMOTIVE BLOWING OFF EXCESS STEAM PRESSURE FROM THE RELIEF VALVE BEFORE IT EVEN STARTS UP THE HILL. STEAM ENGINES AREN'T "ENGINES" AT ALL. THEY'RE "MOTORS" AND ARE AS IMPOSSIBLE TO "GOVERN" EFFECTIVELY WITH THOSE HALF-ASSED "THROTTLE" SYSTEMS BRITISH LOCOMOTIVES HAVE AS AN ELECTRIC MOTOR SOME GENIUS IS TRYING TO "GOVERN" OR "CONTROL" BY USING A SIMPLE ON-OFF SWITCH FLIPPING IT BACK AND FORTH AS A "SPEED CONTROLLER". IF YOU CAN'T THROTTLE AND CONTROL SLIPPAGE STARTING A TRAIN AT A STATION WITH LESS THAN A FULL HEAD OF STEAM YOU SURE AS SHIT AREN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO "AT SPEED" WITH STEAM PRESSURE BLOWING OFF THE RELIEF VALVES. But inevitably when your "fireman" is just as freaking mechanically clueless as your "driver" and just shovels in coal on some sort of a "schedule" until he gets tired and spends 90% of his time showing off for whatever "VIP" or "reporter" is in the cab and every one of those idiots thinks it takes more coal "per mile" to ease up a hill than "speed runs" on flat track take and he's trying to "bank" coal and steam just in case some kind of freaking steam "miracle" occurs and the wreck with fancy pain they're "driving" suddenly isn't a tractive effort joke that can't pull a sick whore off a pisspot and manages to "keep its feet" and he can't up shoveling coal in on the grade, you're going to end up with more steam than you can possibly use. There's actually some pretty "simple" math that can be done that will give you a really precise idea of how much coal it takes to produce and maintain a specific "maximum efficiency" steam pressure and after all the decades and CENTURIES of so-called "excellence" of British railroading, by NOW somebody should have figured out how to do it.

@stevenbanaan

6 жыл бұрын

Notmy Realname thats my thought too, only GWR engines are perfect enough for this job

@dubsy1026

6 жыл бұрын

DEEREMEYER1 why are you so needlessly vitriolic and unpleasant? As for the drivers and firemen of today, it's very true they have fallen in standards from days gone by. As they have everywhere, because they no longer drive hundreds of miles every day. I'd like to know how you plan to get experienced, professional drivers in, given they are in their 80s. It's not like the US is any better. There is actually a 1938 (iirc) film by the LMS on youtube explaining how to approximate coal required and also detect excess. Also, I hate to break it to you, but when going up a hill, USUALLY, more steam is required, therefore more water should be heated, therefore the fire should be hotter, therefore more coal is needed. Incidentally, American locos were usually heavily over fired, leading to grey smoke, which indicates unburnt fuel. Don't tell me you haven't seen it. As for train size, the King's, for their size, weight and cost, where very good on hills. This is undeniable. This issue in this video is the driver, but you need to remember that there is a very low speed limit on that hill, so the loco can't get up much momentum, which in turn increases time between cylinder strokes and reduces power, leading to a spiral of speed reduction. As for British steam itself, your main objection seems to be that they aren't as powerful as American locos. That is simply due to the nature of the British railways, which always involved lighter loads. In the only fair comparison between the two countries, speed, Britain wins. And unless you where aware, British trains where usually longer than 12 coaches, Kings regularly hauled 15 up sustained 1 in 50 gradients at over 60mph. If you compare the weight and size of the King to a given American loco, then scaled up the size of the train, you would struggle to get similar results. With the throttle, much of the reason here that it is underutilised is the low speed. It is blowing off because the throttle is half open. This is nothing to do with throttle systems and everything to do with wheel diamteter and traction. Traction is lacking at 25mph. At high speeds, which the engine is designed to work at, the A4 has pleasant characteristics that keep pressure at 230 or so the loco going very fast with no wasted steam. If you took an American freight Mikado and put it on a fast passanger service, it would dissapoint. If you put an express British passenger loco on a slow speed slog, then it will dissapoint. Finally, on the subject of your mindless hate of the the A4, Bittern herself is goes faster than your average US train by a decent margin, it has been clocked at well over 90 fairly recently, so it isn't a wreck at all. Also, why are you judging a locomotive class designed for speed, which became the fastest ever recorded (don't try your T1 BS with me, with no evidence your claim is worth nothing), on its ability to haul heavy loads? That is like judging a racecar on its container hauling capability. Utterly inane. Also, 'fancy pain'? Seriously? Pull yourself together man.

@dubsy1026

6 жыл бұрын

DEEREMEYER1 Also it's a bit of a shame we didn't meet on a gun video, we seem to have a shared interest there.

@zanefraser2900

5 жыл бұрын

No we need a 9f they can travel just has fast has an A4 top speed

Clearly the wrong loco for the wrong job. The resident 'Goliath' would have walked this job on its own. You can clearly see Bitterns got the power available from the safety valves popping but just doesn't have the adhesion to put that power down.

Now that's when you play with the throttle. Give enough to get the pistons moving then close the throttle. Back and forth til you have enough momentum to move with the throttle open.

More of a traction/weight of the train issue than a stall.

I'm just wondering: There was a lot of steam blowing around for a while there. Hot steam plus cold steel equals wet rails? And where do they keep sand on a streamliner like the A4?

When they were getting the train together, didn't they do the calculations of weight, power, incline and all? I get the impression that they loaded up to many cars for those tourism dollars, or pounds!

@Lindsay5137

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe the "Bean counters" were allowed to override the Engineers (who always know what they're doing)

@OlanKenny

3 жыл бұрын

More than likely adhesion is the problem. These things are built for 100mph and heavy loads. They've the power to get up the hill just can't get the grip.

was the incline to steep for the engine to get up as it seems to have a lot of wheel spin also I cant understand why the driver wasn't using sand to stop the wheel spin

thats why you dont use light 4-6-2s on gradients

@TheOnlyTYRE

3 жыл бұрын

the only problem is, it's a A4 and is capable of handling all the things other British Pacifics are capable of, I wouldn't call a "Light Pacific", like the Bulleid Light Pacifics are light but the A4s are heavier than them.

@vikingsmb

7 күн бұрын

25mph limit caused this

Somebody didn't do the maths right here, the engine obviously had the power to pull the train but it couldn't get the grip on the track, the driver would have used sand but this will only help so much on a damp track. Steel wheels on a steel track is not the best form of traction on wet rails and I think the driver showed great perseverance in trying to get the train moving. It was obvious that the train had too many coaches for that incline with that engine, had they put a diesel electric on the rear as a back up like they usually do this problem would not have occurred, a little bit of common sense would have helped all round.

Awesome footage

lovely footage

what causes it to stall if it had traction...or the only way to keep traction is to slow and then.....

The throttle may be too coarse in its action, making it difficult to gently adjust the power to the wheels.

Well at least they had enough hot water for a can of tea until assistance arrived !!!!!!!!! I hope the fireman remembered the condensed milk 🙄

never seen her struggle like that ... noods no sand glad to see her breathing life in stread sitting in York

What's happening when you see an engine letting steam out of the top just infront of the cab, and also shooting forwards low down near the front wheels? What's the reason for that. Is it just excess steam

@nickyb1822

5 жыл бұрын

apr07 the steam from just in front of the cab is from the safety valves (this prevents too much pressure in the boiler causing it to explode ) the steam from just in front of the wheels is from the drain cocks (after standing still for any amount of time you open the drain cocks and use the steam to push out any condensed water out which prevents damage as water doesn’t compress as well as steam)

Do any of the added trains like this still come down to Torbay?

@roberteastell6939

4 жыл бұрын

think they are all cancelled at the moment due to covid

Ask the passengers to get out and help push :-)

@mlm3531

7 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@davidantoniocamposbarros7528

3 жыл бұрын

They're doctors forbided them from pushing

I wonder whether in this situation it would help to adjust the timing to fast running so that the steam is shut off early.

@smitajky

2 жыл бұрын

No. That is the opposite. You need the most CONSISTENT application of power through the entire turn of the wheel. This is something the three cylinder engines were not good at being limited in the maximum cut off. Ideally you want a lower MAXIMUM force but keeping the force going the whole time. This requires less adhesion for any given haulage capacity. ie a longest possible cut off used with a small throttle opening. Possibly even using the cylinder cocks to prevent too much force happening at any moment.

Too much train and not enuff loco

@epicface2329

7 жыл бұрын

too much puff and not enough steam

@johnyoung8650

4 жыл бұрын

What happened to common-sense when in the wind. All I hear is wind noise!!

But why? How steep is the gradient? Did the crew new the risk? How much tonnage? Looks like adhesion is not sufficient...sand should help. Plenty of foto guys just watch, go to throw sand instead.

First time of viewing. Was there not an oil burner at the back, ?

@tangmerebob2395

3 ай бұрын

Not on a preserved Railway like the line to Kingswear

Not being a train driver but a relatively competant offroad driver , I would say the throttle inputs are a bit heavy , if it can be done , a bit of softer modulation would get it moving and hold traction , its like knowing when to use 2nd gear for pulling away on loose surfaces , when to use 4 high and when to use 4 low , I am talking non traction controlled vehicles , there must be some similarity , after all , some 4x4s still come with a hand throttle too .

There seems to be enough pressure to spin the wheels, I wonder if a set of brakes are on by reason of a damaged hose? , maybe brakes on one of the carriages are on.

I'll never understand the steam venting right by the main wheels. Surely a wet or moist track is worse than a dry one? I don't know much about the A4's.

@chrisinnes2128

3 жыл бұрын

That is from the Sanders they are steam powered

Thanks to Gods Wonderful Railway it got out of trouble again

..so if it can take off from stand still from a station on a level line like here...what is the difference. Why the fuss? Can anyone explain please...thanks.

@KBS117

6 жыл бұрын

Anand Sravanapudi the difference between you carrying 100 pounds across the room, or up a flight of stairs.. Gravity is always pushing back...

Its not stalled . Its just lost traction on the rails .I saw this at York when I was a kid , with sparks flying everywhere as A4's failed to get heavily laden trains moving .

she is a handsome engine for sure :) has she no sand?

I see steam blowing under the leading and middle pairs of coupled wheels, and I guess this is the sanding gear operating? Maybe the fault here was not to get a fast enough run at the gradient.

@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819

7 жыл бұрын

routeman680 he's limited to all of 25mph - it's all the Light Rail Act allows.

What ever happened to the use of sanders on British steam locos?

@phildur

4 жыл бұрын

Apperently the A4 has only 4 on the two first axels and they were on, all the time. Probably : No sand today ! My Love has gone away .... ! But people not passing by you know the reason why Merci pour la vidéo !

I was at the nymr steam gala and they had an A4 and a castle class and A4 didn't slip the castle class slipped more. Locomotives with bigger wheels are more likely to slip than an locomotives with smaller driving wheels strange isn't it

@KBS117

6 жыл бұрын

Scott Woodgate normally, the bigger the wheels, the faster the engine, but less pulling power...think of it as 2 cars, one with low gears in the rear end and one with high gears.. The low geared one will pull a heavy load, but not very fast... The high geared one will go fast, but faulter at pulling a heavy load.. But, horsepower and torque comes into play here also.. Enough power, and you dont even need low gears...

Reminds me of going to Whitby over the moors in a 1934 Jowet and all getting out till it got over the holl

Sand,sand,sand , and get helper locomotives on this heavy train and /or select the proper engine to begin with! Dont place a light weight flatland high speed express engine onto a mountain/steep gradient track!

@roberteastell6939

8 жыл бұрын

+Liberty Patriot its interesting to note that usually when the torbay express was hauled by bittern the dartmouth railway put their diesel on the back as a banker but on this occasion they did not . however this did not always work as I remember one day this was not enough and lydham manor had to be sent up to rescue the train from broadsands viaduct so 2 bankers were needed that day

@antiussentiment

7 жыл бұрын

It looks awfully like someone did not do their arithmetic properly. Does anyone know the weight of the consist and the grade at this point?

@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819

7 жыл бұрын

Andrew Muhling 1 in 71 for 1.5miles and then 1 in 60, and with a speed limit of not more than 25mph anywhere on the line.

@nightlightabcd

7 жыл бұрын

Andrew Muhling - I was thinking the same thing.

@pbwake65

7 жыл бұрын

You don't use sand because this will grind the tyres off the driving wheels.

Interesting. But we never get to see what your description says.

@roberteastell6939

7 жыл бұрын

steam locomotive Bittern stalls big time on the torbay expess at waterside Paignton and after many attempts had to admit defeat and wait for a banker G W R 2-8-0 5239 Goliath to help the train up the hill

I am surprised it came as far as it did .

Not stalled at all. Slipped to stand. Not entirely due to light pacific or gradient. It’s wet rails and reduced coefficient of friction.

I don't miss this . All very romantic but I still don't miss it . Lots of armchair drivers on here too which makes me smile

The trouble with wheel slip has always been simple STEEL ON STEEL= slip. If they could make hard enough rubber for train wheels its no problem. The driver did great to shift that tonnage with that small loco!

@SvenTviking

Жыл бұрын

“Small loco”?!? This class are the fastest steam locos ever.

It looks as though going downhill rather than up - but I guess that's just the camera angle?

For some reason they are always out of sand, like sand was a rare mineral ... :-) Nice video, but hey Rob - a microphone hut aint that expensive ... ?

@smitajky

2 жыл бұрын

There is a world shortage of sand. So I imagine that they were trying to conserve the stuff. Replacing it with something that has very little value like "money".

Is that the engine from Canada that was restored? Did some hooligans grease the tracks?

@roberteastell6939

6 жыл бұрын

no same class but different loco I think

Omg its safety valve is steaming so much That isn't even normal

Yank here, I dont remember Dwight D Eisenhower having sanders is that the case here?

@paulcaswell2813

4 жыл бұрын

Sanders front and rear on all drivers...

Running on slicks, needs some tread in the tyres to get purchase!

WEARS THE SAND OLD BOY?

Bitten got stuck on bitten hill Gordon would be laughing so hard

So, a serious question; How come there are so many videos of steam trains losing traction. Is there an inherent quality about steam locomotives, that causes them to have less traction?

@andrewdias478

8 жыл бұрын

+LutzDerLurch I think it's just more noticeable with steam trains, diesel and electric trains wheels are smaller and less visible.

@LutzDerLurch

8 жыл бұрын

Andrew Dias true. Also, there isn't a giant array of rods and levers. Also, modern locomotives, as far as I undertsand, also have electronic systems in place to automatically adjust power output to minimize wheelslip. Similar to ABS and ESP in cars...

@Rosie6857

8 жыл бұрын

+LutzDerLurch Steam locos slip more than modern traction because a smaller proportion of the weight is on the driving wheels. The A4 weighs about 104 tons of which only 66 is for adhesion. Also the force consists of large slow pulses rather than being continuous. Another factor is that the regulator is a big stiff handle, not a dinky little button, and operates what is little more than a fancy gate valve, making it difficult to control the steam pressure in the cylinders.

@smitajky

7 жыл бұрын

Very much so. Take a medium steam engine of 190 tonne with 18 tonne on each driving axle. Giving 54 tonne total adhesive weight. The replacement diesel had 104 tonne total over six axles all powered so it had nearly DOUBLE the adhesive weight and hence traction. At the same time the diesel had slightly less axle load. Making it easier on the track. But there is yet another factor. The diesel delivers its torque evenly through each turn. The steam engine has strong and weak moments so that for the same tractive effort the steam engine has a peak of some 20% higher. During this moment the wheels lose traction and it is all over. Kinetic friction is lower than static friction. So the throttle needs to be shut to regain control.

@KBS117

6 жыл бұрын

LutzDerLurch I think its about throttle control... Regulating the steam pressure to the drivers is sorta all or nothing on steam engines.. You need more pressure, build a bigger fire.. You can see him venting the steam pressure off, in an attempt to make the beast more manageable..

Wonder what a Sparshatt, Duddington, Hailstone or Hoole would have done...

@Rosie6857

2 жыл бұрын

Probably would have simply refused to take the train unless there was a banker. As far as I know a driver was permitted to do that but if he were offered help and turned it down he would be held responsible if it all went a bit pear-shaped. In preservation days the lines of responsibility are different and the driver simply has to do what is asked of him. What was the load? Nobody has mentioned it but it is surely the crucial factor here, the only factor really. We could then assess whether Bittern's task was reasonable or was the train overloaded for financial reasons?

The place where Bittern stalled is called Goodrington not waterslides

@roberteastell6939

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry mate the place where the video was taken is Waterside by Waterside holiday park, it is on Goodrington bank. Goodrington is about a mile further down the hill.

anyone notice that the L is too far apart from the N on it's tender?

Must have done the tyres a lot of good....

Oh! for a little sand under wheels: ) Great vid & driver too.

This is why steam will never be as good as diesel or electric traction for torque - the power to get something moving quickly. An 87 electric locomotive or a deltic would have had no trouble with this train. You are looking at one of the main reasons why BR disposed of steam in 1968. Why didn't they use a banking locomotive at the back of the train or double-head the train?

@davidantoniocamposbarros7528

3 жыл бұрын

The part 2 of this shows bittern getting help from another engine

Well we’ve got union of South Africa coming donn next year, I’m looking forward to the same thing happening again in the same place

You see now why the GWR adopted the 4-6-0 wheel arrangement

@robertgift

8 жыл бұрын

+Ray Jennings Yes. You want all the weight on the drive wheels.Pilot wheels should carry little weight.

@Lindsay5137

5 жыл бұрын

Hi guys, did anybody see what they did in NZ? Google the Class Kb in the South Island, put a booster engine in the trailing bogie.

it isnt the first time Bittern has been rescued by a GWR Loco getting to be a common occurance

@rotlerin

8 жыл бұрын

+Jim Young Streaks were never designed for this sort of use. This is one of the most powerful locos ever built in UK. It doesn't lack power just traction. Large driving wheels were meant for sustained high speed heavy loads on reasonably minor gradients. Having said that though they were pretty impressive of over Shap.

That’s taken some metal off the tyres. 😳

A lot of 4-6-2 locos do this as the trailing truck takes some of the adhesion of the drivers, this most probably would not happen to a 4-6-0 loco

@justforever96

6 жыл бұрын

That depends on how heavy the loco is. Is you mean a 4-6-0 of equal weight, perhaps. But you could also just make a heavier 4-6-2 and get the same adhesion and even more tractive power and horsepower. If you mean a loco with the large firebox (and hence the weight) deleted, you'll have an engine with the same adhesion and less steaming power.

I suspect that there was salt blowing in the wind to add a film of grease on the rails.

I don't think she and her mates were designed to go up hills !!

She seems aggravated. Letting off a bit of steam seemed to help

Where's Edward The Blue Engine when you need him?

@BlockedUser1

6 жыл бұрын

dead in a furness with the other K2s wait furness as furness railway

@harrysmith5615

6 жыл бұрын

Laurence Oliveri I had the most delicious pizza I’ve seen since they got their order right before we were ready

@silvadic2207

6 жыл бұрын

Probably helping Gordon again

driver learning on the job

Driver: here we go here we go here we go!!! Bittern: NO WE DONT NO WE DONT NO WE DONT DONT DONT!!!!!

wheres edward

❤

So windy Can't hear the train

In my day, we used to get out of the cab and give it a push.

Because Network rail don't allow them to get a good speed up to take a run at it?

@neildahlgaard-sigsworth3819

7 жыл бұрын

SiliquaeSid it's not a Network Rail owned line, but a heritage line limited by the Light Rail Act to 25mph.

@routemasterfan-sb9so

7 жыл бұрын

bull shit worth vally limited the flying scotsman to 20mph

@siliquaesid703

6 жыл бұрын

Neil Dahlgaard-Sigsworth Thanks. Still hog tied though imho and to think the sister of this class holds the world record for a steam loco 😞

If only Collett could have seen this

All that wasted power. Even with a trailing wind she couldn't move. Proves that other railways should keep out of GWR territory!

@ShortwaveListenerUK

7 жыл бұрын

i know what you mean, they keep bringing that southern crap up here.

@zanefraser2900

5 жыл бұрын

Union Pacific big boy could do it. Or a P2 clearly the biggest mistake was getting rid of them the P2 any ways

@lebasharma

5 жыл бұрын

Zane Fraser heck even the A1 that are now A3 can do it. Idk if A1 became A3.

Паровозик, который не смог)))

this lead up to his withdrawal.

Driver: I got the sand on but I don’t think any is coming out. Did you remember to fill this thing with sand fireman? Fireman:........ Driver:......well?????? Fireman: um....I...uh...... Driver: you forgot again.....didn’t you.....? Fireman:......yeah.... Driver:YOU BLITHERING IDIOTIC DIP WEED!!!! NOW WELL BE LATE AND THE PASSENGERS WILL TOO.....I swear the more you teach them the dumber they get.....

@simontay4851

4 жыл бұрын

Reply in _English_ to an English comment please.

A4, 4464 Bittern stalls, in trouble with loss of drive wheel traction.

Old Lady overloaded with too many coaches. Give her a chance. Gpx

oof mallard i was in 1st class

the eternal issue,,the steam locomotove is very light weight 50 ton??? and the dynamic coefficient wheel -rai is low,,o,25 approx,,,the locomotive has the power,but no traction force enough,,,because the wheels slip. in this case,,,brake the train if after many attemps the train dont move.

@Rosie6857

5 жыл бұрын

50 tons? Might be if it was made of aluminium but there could be problems with that, just a bit. The A4's weighed a nominal 103 tons so an actual loco would probably be bit more, with bits added throughout its life.

But that wheelslip is good though

too many coaches on the rear.try pannier bank engine

Thats why they had 0 6 0 banking engines at penrith.

why not drive it back to were it started and re start at full speed or disconnect the coaches behind the trains or get anouther thats same to drag it

No 126mph today

Maybe the lads ought to get out and start pushing?

Easy does it, her engineer knew what he was about.

Use my patented pilot and trailing wheels lifter. Perhaps all weight on drivers will be enough.

@harrytodhunter5078

7 жыл бұрын

What patented pilot? Do you have proof?

@robertgift

7 жыл бұрын

My imaginary pilot and trailing wheels lifter would place all of the weight on the drive wheels.My great uncle had problems with his huge 4-8-4 freight locomotive wheelslipping. Wished all of the weight could be on the huge drivers in such situations.

@harrytodhunter5078

7 жыл бұрын

What patent? Show me

I wanted to know why don’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for the main line Train so they extend the new abandoned underground stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock that includes the class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign them an overhead line and also make them into six cars per units and also having three Accessible Toilets on that six cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXC, Gardner 6LXB and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 7-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 8-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into an 11 car per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers? A Stock Train and also having 8 DisaAccessiblelets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it bigger and extend it to bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Train tunnel into a High-Speed train? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Train line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. then put the modernised 11 car per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those 4 European countries such as Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 cars per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 37 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project that is OK for London Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. Oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly line and also build a brand-new underground train station so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street and also make another brand new tunnel train station in Chingford and could they extend the DLR? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Scania N112, Volvo TD102KF, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner 6LXC and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Six carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and they can order Every 17 Octagon and Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique minor no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 117MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 117MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 16 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!, oh can you make all of those Coal Boxes’s 16 Tonnes for all of the 117MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!! so please make sure that the Builders can do as they are Told!! And please do something about these very important Professional ideas Please Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.

I think you mean Torbay.Get it right

Why dont people understand that its not the sand or the driver thats the problem here?

@alanmcculloch8775

5 жыл бұрын

Because they are thick. Those engines were designed for express work on the L.N.E.R. rails.

To elimnate wind noise next time, tape a pad of cotton wool over the camera's microphone. Great video otherwise.

@jeffryblackmon4846

6 жыл бұрын

Indeed, it is very annoying!

@robertdrinkall8947

6 жыл бұрын

And to eliminate dumb people who walk in front of you while your filming take a AK47.🤣

not the quickest now, are you? ;)

@harrytodhunter5078

7 жыл бұрын

It never was the quickest.

@davidantoniocamposbarros7528

3 жыл бұрын

@@harrytodhunter5078 pretty sure she is

@harrytodhunter5078

3 жыл бұрын

No, Mallard is the quickest, at 126MPH. A4 Sir Nigel Gresley holds the postwar speed record at 112MPH, and Bittern completed 3 90MPH runs a few years ago, but she was never the quickest.