A Virginia woman bought her dream car. Then the repo truck came - for someone else | NBC4 Washington
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@brianwong44582 ай бұрын
this seller needs to be arrested for committing fraud.
@Hellcat71782
Ай бұрын
Ya think
@A-uf3so
Ай бұрын
@@Hellcat71782Probably won't happen. He's a friend of a friend who pulls strings, most likely. Probably a very friendly/ fake soulless man!
@HardCold-Alquan
Ай бұрын
I guess no one really knows what to do on the matter.
@archie_bunker
Ай бұрын
arrested? he would be out on the streets in an hour.
@GrowHighO
Ай бұрын
Really Brian?
@mandelstamm2 ай бұрын
Navy Federal should have caught it. They're supposed to check the VIN to make sure there's not a lien on the vehicle with a different lender.
@CatharineCummings
Ай бұрын
💯💯💯💯
@mackcity74gdn89
Ай бұрын
If the dmv coutldnt catch wat make u think the bank would
@justhere4721
Ай бұрын
@@mackcity74gdn89If they don't check they won't know. A lot of people clearly didn't want to do their job. That's why it took the news to step in just for her to get answers. Everyone just kept ignoring her.
@rgodon7552
Ай бұрын
Carvana isn’t exactly known For being on the up and up with their paperwork. My guess is that navy did their due diligence and carvana was just late filing the lien.
@RareJewel777
Ай бұрын
Navy been fu(!^g up lately...
@user9b2Ай бұрын
The seller should be charged with straight forward fraud.
@cococinnamon2236
22 күн бұрын
He probably left the Country
@NomadicCraticАй бұрын
Arrest the seller. I’m glad she got her car back.
@TEverettReynolds
Ай бұрын
The bank that gave the Carvana loan was late filing the lien paperwork, they are also to blame, which is why they gave the car back to the lady.
@Dani-fc1hcАй бұрын
He knew exactly what he was doing, he needs to be in jail for fraud.
@08baby25
Ай бұрын
Yes, I know someone who was trying to low-key do this. Luckily, they repo the car before they could sell it.😏 Unfortunately, these scammers barely get caught.
@l.c.3150
Ай бұрын
So many crimes occur and they have the victims face and name but often time they don’t publish the criminal’s name of picture. Shame.
@NeoFreshair
Ай бұрын
The lady could sue him for distress and she's got winnable case ........ But I have suspicion that the seller might be an enforcement agent and everything brushed under the carpet so quickly ..... ........ And what's disgusting is no one gave her answer nor helped her until news outlet intervened ....... The system work for the rich and the authorities but not working class ......
@neilcharles2520
Ай бұрын
What make him different than the people who run America?They steal by the billions.
@willysnowman
Ай бұрын
He was just acting like President Trump...
@thinline85042 ай бұрын
WAITTT SO THIS MAN IS WALKING AWAY WITH 25k !?!?!?!?!!?!??!!?!?!?!
@SammyC-ro5jq
Ай бұрын
Very disturbing. Might inspire copycats
@sblijheid
Ай бұрын
She should've filed a lolice report in PA. Minus Philly and Pittsburg, law enforcement in PA seem to enjoy throwing criminals in jail.
@IamDrDee
Ай бұрын
Pittsburgh*
@Look_What_You_Did
Ай бұрын
Back the blue till it happens to you. Loser.
@speedfreak8200
Ай бұрын
Wait, so this guy is the all caps guy !?!?
@cragre28Ай бұрын
My aunt had bought a used car with cash with an actual clean title. It was back when Nissan Maximas were in the top 5 most stolen vehicles. She was working at Lowe's one day and someone said they saw her car being towed. She ran out there and a towing company said they were repossessing it. She told them she doesn't owe anything on the car but they wouldn't listen. She called the cops and they told her it was civil matter, even though you know if were of their or their relatives 's cars being towed they would step in, and they couldn't do anything. Finally the manger at Lowe's told the towing company if they did not leave without the car he would trespass them. She found that people were stealing cars by making up false repo letters and sending tow companies in to get the cars, then taking the cars to an empty lot in another state. The thieves would then come get the car strip it for parts and leave it somewhere. The cops could have ended a stolen car ring if they had just listened, but they are lazy and won't listen.
@RoommateWiLLE
Ай бұрын
Inside Job
@davea4245
Ай бұрын
The Goons with Guns lazy and incompetent? 😲 Say it's not so...😳
@SunshineCatwomanАй бұрын
It was my understanding that if you owe money on a car, you never even get to SEE the title until you have paid it off.
@TheBlackSheepReport
Ай бұрын
Depends on the state. Some states issue title with any lien holders listed on it. This guy did some photoshop/Illustrator type shit to produce a clean "looking" title.
@ecaldwell9
25 күн бұрын
@@TheBlackSheepReportYup!
@jahoyhoy9097Ай бұрын
Navy Federal should give her money back for failing to verify the VIN. Shame
@kevins9688
Ай бұрын
@@biggzacc2145 what process is this. I thought only the lien holder could do this.
@biggzacc2145
Ай бұрын
@@kevins9688 just like they steal homes.
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@biggzacc2145 speak proper english
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@biggzacc2145 degenerate
@saldiven2009
Ай бұрын
It depends on the state. I work for a credit union in Georgia. Currently, I'm in mortgage underwriting, but I was in automobile financing for 10+ years previously. Georgia's DMV has an automated telephone service that you can call and enter in a VIN. The service will disclose the year, make, & model of the vehicle on record, as well as the owner of record, the mileage as of the last time the title was recorded, and any lienholders that appear in the DMV records. I do not know if any other states have a similar system. But, we were a small credit union, so we didn't want to handle financing out-of-state private party automobile purchases because it was so much more difficult to verify the status of the title in those cases.
@cordelearts2 ай бұрын
Buying a used car from a dealer isn’t that much safer.
@dougfredricks2017
2 ай бұрын
Plus they rob you with hidden Fee$ 😂
@ryder4508
Ай бұрын
Especially Carvana. 😂
@temujinkhan6326
Ай бұрын
well people are robbed more at car dealers than private sales
@EconomicWarfare
Ай бұрын
💯
@KK-qv2df
Ай бұрын
Automation in Laurel Maryland is thee worst. They sold me an overpriced Certified used car which had a fire in the transmission. I gave them Hell but the still got away with fraud.
@rhondaburke2231Ай бұрын
My confusion is why Navy Federal didn't secure a clear title. As a former Bank Compliance Officer my lenders were not allowed to release the funds until we had a clear title. No duplicate titles were allowed. Also, how was the duplicate title obtained. It should have been mailed to the lien holder. I have so many questions. There were a LOT of chances for this to be caught before it got this far. However, the bottom line is that the seller needs to serve time.
@becsterino
Ай бұрын
I love Navy Federal so even I'm a little confused on this
@PlacesSpacesinBetween
Ай бұрын
Maybe a personal loan
@TheBlackSheepReport
Ай бұрын
Depends on the state. Some states issue titles with the lienholders name listed. This was likely a photoshopped version.
@412yinzrАй бұрын
$25K for a Porsche should’ve been a red flag for a scam.
@firewater365
Ай бұрын
You can get a used Porsche Macan for as low as $30,000…… what she paid isn’t that far off and it wasn’t from a dealership. 😊
@emiralbdyri9668
Ай бұрын
Not really. It’s a 2020 Macan
@TheBlackSheepReport
Ай бұрын
@@emiralbdyri9668 2015
@atthesunyousee
Ай бұрын
@emiralbdyri9668 2015
@TEverettReynolds
Ай бұрын
Her $25k Porsche will need a $15k tune-up and timing chain replacement any day now...
@dollyglowdoll2752Ай бұрын
She's sooooo lucky that she got her car back!
@Freedomcustom
Ай бұрын
By bad PR and by technicality in the long run it would of cost them more to NOT return it
@gammagogeta
Ай бұрын
The dude was the lucky one, no arrest and pocket 25K and they even know who he is and said they will do nothing about it.
@salemsmith2878
Ай бұрын
Carvana can write off the loss, so ultimately we the tax payers pay. That said this is something worth paying for.
@RuyGedares_GuyRedares
Ай бұрын
Guy is probably on the run, or even left the country. @@gammagogeta
@axelfoley1406
Ай бұрын
@@gammagogeta Lucky? His info is probably plastered in every state govt database in the country, lol. He will eventually get his.
@StopCensoring-fq5fl2 ай бұрын
25k Porsche is a red flag
@peryole
2 ай бұрын
Exactly! Many luxury brands do not depreciate a whole lot in value. I'd never recommend anyone buy a late model luxury car, it's likely to cost more than a well negotiated new car. I owned a 2010 TSX that was totaled 3 years later, it has 44k miles on it. The insurance company paid me almost 27k for it, I paid 29500 for the car, the original sticker price was 36k. I paid off the 5k i owed and bought another one and put down 15k.
@tylermallory2504
2 ай бұрын
just a ceyanne and a few years old. 25k is about right... I'm currently shopping for a 2012 less than 30,000 mile panamera and they can be found for about 40k
@TheG60528XiJinPing
2 ай бұрын
You are all handicapped and know nothing. It's a fckn 10 year old Porsche SUV.
@thinline8504
2 ай бұрын
BRO ITS A 2015 LMAOOOO. and probably has like 60k miles on it... the price seems right. CHECK GOOGLE. they go for even less bro.
@humbleiamsmith4197
2 ай бұрын
That’s what I said I would’ve thought: A juicy Lemon😂😂😂😂😂
@MTMgrinddАй бұрын
Crazy thing is i just looked these cars up and They are priced 25-30000 so i can understand how it wouldn't seem like a scam
@mrnobody3161Ай бұрын
Good job 4 Responds for helping a victim with this problem.
@PhrontDoorАй бұрын
I'm astonished that her BANK would finance such a car, as they have an even HIGHER obligation to due-diligence that title.
@Cmdrjo
Ай бұрын
I think it is more of the DMV'S responsibility. They issued a title to Navy Fed showing they have security interest in the vehicle, and registered the car to the new owner.
@dougfisher1813
Ай бұрын
That car is hideous.
@Phillipnoogen
Ай бұрын
@dougfisher1813 yeah Porsche are ugly for being a premium car brand. No way I would pay a lot of money for their style.
@PowerNGlory
Ай бұрын
@@dougfisher1813 It's better than that furniture in her house.
@stanleydogood8874
Ай бұрын
😂 y’all some mean Vatos !!!
@certifiedyaminspector-dadd62242 ай бұрын
Im glad she was able to get her property back.
@theshmalls
Ай бұрын
It's a good ending for sure but legally carvana had every right to take that car back, she purchased it through a fraudulent transaction. Normally in these cases the original seller repo's the car and it's up to the person who got scammed to sue the fraudster for their money back.
@Pete391
Ай бұрын
It never was her property............Until they felt sorry andfgave the car to her...
@lefthanded5473
Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t even want the car honestly. If the seller had to fraudulently sell the car in the first place, you know damn well they skimped out on the maintenance.
@gabesmath105
Ай бұрын
@theshmalls it makes me glad to be one of those "legal address i've never lived at" type of folks 😂😂
@josmith8233Ай бұрын
Get that fraud in jail. She should also sue the seller. Someone needs to get justice
@SmokeyTreats2 ай бұрын
Seller/defrauder should be in jail!
@user-gz4ve8mw9l
Ай бұрын
Innocent people in prison, criminals walking free on the streets. Innocent people without rights, criminals have all the rights. The biggest criminals run the country.
@MilePost1062 ай бұрын
The problem this country has, they are way to lenient on criminals! But tough on law abiding citizens!
@unclebrother6244
Ай бұрын
Brother, your comment should have a million thumbs up! You are 100% correct. If we had penalties similar to what you see in places like Singapore, people would think twice before committing crimes.
@bsqwahlE
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂 the US has the biggest per capita prison population on the globe.
@unclebrother6244
Ай бұрын
@@bsqwahlE while that's true, your comment is misleading. The overwhelming majority of American inmates are serving short sentences. In otherwords, we have more incarcerated ppl than any other nation, however the majority of them will be released in a short time (less than 5 years) and they'll be replaced right away with other lawbreakers, who will likely serve short sentences. Most inmates in America aren't serving long, harsh sentences for violent crimes. The ones serving long sentences are just a small fraction of the overall inmate population. With that being said, the comment at the top is correct. The American penal system is too lenient on criminals. It's a game of catch and release after a short stay in prison.
@rewing4880
Ай бұрын
Agree with the first half of what you said but they are too tough on law abiding citizen? I had a friend that used to say that. No big deal he had no insurance on his vehicle. Wasn't needed as he had no drivers license. Car was a rattle trap that would never pass smog and he drove it for years before some cop noticed the expired tags. Then it was "Hey man, can you come over and give me a ride?" We don't talk anymore.
@clementthurn1992
Ай бұрын
@@rewing4880 Good for you. what a miscreant. Shame on him.
@Native722Ай бұрын
The seller is a liar and needs to be charged and arrested.
@Thrawn90Ай бұрын
Note to self. Don't by a Porsche at half price from some rando on the side of the road.
@1bluensxАй бұрын
Why do we continue to allow this? The seller needs to be arrested and held accountable
@sootuckchoong7077
Ай бұрын
Scammers seems to be winning.
@superdave8248
Ай бұрын
Although I agree, the fruad happened in one state and in one county. The victim lives in another state and another county. So you have two different counties and two different states that could ultimately file charges. And all four policing departments are likely wondering if the juice is worth the squeeze. And even Carvana's lending partner doesn't want to take a civil lawsuit out because of the expense involved with little to no likelihood of receiving even their legal expenses back. Had the victim in this case lived in the same state as where the initial fraud occurred, I suspect charges would have been placed on the person who illegally sold the vehicle. But once you cross state lines, unless there was bodily injury to a party or you are dealing with a fraud case in the seven figures so it gets headlines, the banks are likely just going to write the loss off. And yes, a case could be argued for interstate fraud which would then make this a federal case. As Navy Federal Credit Union would have used a mail carrier or electronic transfer to send the money to the victim so she could give the fraudster a cashier's check.
@Epic_C
Ай бұрын
Democrats allow it that's why
@sootuckchoong7077
Ай бұрын
Funny USA is One Country yet America is like separate 50 different countries.
@phantommah8042
Ай бұрын
@@sootuckchoong7077 scammers have always been winning. Only losers are those who play by the book
@Braider_on_the_run2 ай бұрын
He sold a stolen car, give her, her money back. Damn
@rewing4880
Ай бұрын
Dude. She got the car back and its hers with no more payments. She got a deal in the end and I am happy she did. But she went thru a lot of stress and she might have had a law suit for a lot of money. in her future. Carvana and the Credit Union saw a huge public relations storm coming and they did the cheapest solution possible. They gave her the car. Its a good story with an awesome ending.
@habibifather7681
Ай бұрын
You fall for a scam you don't deserve your money back for being so stoopid.
@Freedomcustom
Ай бұрын
Car wasn't stolen he had purchased it but baled on the repayment plan and sold it on
@alextaylor8776
Ай бұрын
@@rewing4880Hold up, who said she has no more payments. The bank loaned her $25k and she has the car back, the bank is still going to want their money. I think she has to keep paying her monthly payments.
@seganaleqa
Ай бұрын
Did you even watch the video? 😅😅
@khmbodia1972Ай бұрын
I have learned from my mistakes never to purchase a vehicle online again. I had a bad experience once.
@maxwellmurdoc9256Ай бұрын
I had a similar thing happen to me...I sold my car to a small used dealership. 2 years later I get a call (at work) from the Cleveland Police Department that asked me when I was going to pick up my car and pay the $1200 impound fee. I asked what car because my car was right here with me. They told me it was the 1986 Pontiac 6000 STE which I sold 2 years ago. Cleveland Police told me that it was my problem now and I had to get it cleared up because the impound fee was going up every day. I contacted the dealership I sold the car to and he said that he sold it to another dealership who then sold it to a private buyer. My name stayed on the title through 3 other owners. The original dealer I sold it to said that he would take care of it. I gave him all the phone numbers and people at the Cleveland Police. Two days later I got a call from Cleveland again and they said that it was all cleared up and to have a nice day.
@Wayneman482 ай бұрын
How did the seller have possession of the title with a lien on the car.? The Finance Co. should have the title. Very Bizzare.
@DecrepitBiden
2 ай бұрын
Maybe he faked it, or know someone who works in DMV (friend/family) to create the title for him.
Ай бұрын
Because in some states, you can keep the title but they list the lien holders (i.e.) the bank, name on the title, AS THEY SAID IN THIS STORY!
@Ddccpp2152
Ай бұрын
Exactly!!
@michaelb.8953
Ай бұрын
Pennsylvania isn't one of those states. You don't get the title until the car is paid in full and the lending institution then and only then releases the title to you once the last payment clears.
@djdetermine2066
Ай бұрын
You can look up, and you will see there aren't any leins on anything only for 21 days so the companies can file it with the DMV, mortgage companies, etc... UCC 11 check with your secretary of state see what they say
@glbernini0Ай бұрын
Got to publish the mans name & address, he needs to be made famous!
@BlindBiker3
Ай бұрын
We need to have mercy on him, but he should know that what he did was wrong.
@clarkwilson6340
Ай бұрын
@@BlindBiker3 LOL no mercy and why did he repent or you a criminal too huh;
@shoechew
Ай бұрын
“We” need to have mercy? This is not my problem or yours.
@MM-jf1me
Ай бұрын
@@BlindBiker3 Stealing $25K from a stranger is a lot to forgive, especially when the thief has never shown remorse.
@refugiolopez3084
Ай бұрын
@@BlindBiker3 you suck
@mikeg3439Ай бұрын
It costs a few bucks to have a car ownership traced, takes a few minutes. Never just hand someone cash who says "yeah this is my car."
@TwilightMystsАй бұрын
The thing that blows my mind about this is that the new owner registered the vehicle under her address (else the repo company couldn't find it) so she almost certainly had to register it under her NAME as well, which would clearly indicate that the car in question was NOT owned by the scammer. Seeing as how the new owner had no financing agreement with the company filing for repo, and the car clearly belonged to someone else, repossessing a car owned by a third party should be considered theft. Instead of repoing a car owned by an innocent person, this should be felony finance fraud or grand theft or something, and the guy who sold the car should be headed to prison. But no, it is easier to go after an innocent person who won't fight, than to go after the actual guilty party.
@dens30962 ай бұрын
1. The seller not supposed to have a paper title until he pays off Carvana, it should have an electronic lien. 2. Her state not supposed to register the car without transferring it from Pennsylvania DMV records. That transfer wouldn’t work if it has an electronic lien on it. 3. Her local DMV would verify the fraudulent paper title. So something was wrong. Could it be an employee at Carvana who removed the electronic lien from the title? Most likely. And they probably done it many times already using their friends.
@user-jk2zm7uq5s
Ай бұрын
Carvana and their finance arm are out around tens of thousands of dollars. They aren't even trying to get those tens of thousands of dollars back from the fraudulent seller. Why? Probably because they want to sweep this under the rug. Why? Probably because it's their fault that the fraudulent seller could clean/wash the title so well that neither the DMV nor Barbara's bank noticed anything. Tl;dr: If it wasn't on at least partially on Carvana they'd at least pursue the fraudulent seller - which they don't. Mmh.
@carriebartkowiak
Ай бұрын
1. Each state has their own way of doing it. I'm in Virginia, and here you get a temporary title from the dealer the day you buy the car, and then you get the official one (that looks just like the one they were waving around in the video; green/white and fancy decorations at the top) in the mail from the DMV a few days later. If you bought it with financing, on the title it will CLEARLY say that the car is under a LIEN, and along with your name and address, it'll have the name and address of the finance company. It stays that way until you fully pay the loan off, at which point you get what's called a "pink slip" - it's an official receipt from the loan company saying the loan is paid in full (and yes, it's on pink paper). You can take the pink slip to the DMV, and they'll re-issue you a "clean" title showing that there's no longer a lien on the car and that you own it outright. I've lived in 6 different east coast states and it's been the same in all of them. Maybe it's different out west? 2. and 3. - Yep. The DMV *is* the state though, so these two points are saying the same thing. A flag should have popped up while she was standing at the DMV counter, as it's tied to the VIN.
@Revkor
Ай бұрын
Carvanna has alot of issues
@user-zs7no2qt3d2 ай бұрын
What a blessing to be able to get her car back!!
@Pete391
Ай бұрын
Wasnt her car...She bought stolen property......
@glamoroussunset5361Ай бұрын
Wow! This is absolutely wild. Thank goodness the investigative team was able to look into this and help her. It seems that without this investigation this woman would have been completely at a loss, dream car gone and a loan she is still on the hook for. Great work ! If only the seller would be held responsible by someone. Hopefully in the future.
@skyfall9549Ай бұрын
When it's too good to be true
@Scrunchie_777Ай бұрын
Is anything ever not a scam anymore.
@treverhackett
Ай бұрын
Nowadays it dont seem like it
@oliverfreeman416Ай бұрын
Never purchase a luxury vehicle from a “private” person.
@98f5
Ай бұрын
Or maybe run a title check? A corporation is also a "person" and much more likely to fuck your ass
@codegeek-il5fm
Ай бұрын
Keyword here was "Carvana". Shitty company at best and scam at worst.
@manuelpiston
Ай бұрын
Why not?
@oliverfreeman416
Ай бұрын
@@manuelpiston Just be careful. Do your homework before. I had a family member who was deceived by a “private “ seller before.
@personnesenki4521Ай бұрын
Good on NBC 4 for shaming these parties and helping this woman get to the bottom of this.
@ericterashima6329Ай бұрын
Thank you for investigating this story.
@thersanothersidetomeАй бұрын
A Porsche with Lionhart tires is also a red flag…
@samsung5181
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂, really.
@cedricjackson7521Ай бұрын
Never buy anything off Facebook market
@bjvu9460
Ай бұрын
That is an ignorant statement when there are thousands of sale happening daily with no issues. If she had driven past his car with a for sale sign on it, would that have been better . Orf, if he had put the ad in a news paper like it was done 20 years ago, would that have been better?
@cedricjackson7521
Ай бұрын
@@bjvu9460 Facebook market is where most people get scammers scam people out of their money. You’re right about one thing if it’s too good to be true it’s not true, but still Facebook market is with scammers scam people out of their money.
@aymaanrehman2598
Ай бұрын
Bought my 100k Porsche off Facebook. I've also seen $4 million cars sold on FB. You just sound closed minded. This persons story was a one off case
@alli3219
Ай бұрын
My Mitsubishi van I bought off Facebook has absolutely no issues, and there's no chance anyone will want to repossess it, because it's an older model.
@alli3219
Ай бұрын
@@bjvu9460 Yep, early Craigslist and before that newspaper ads in the "bargain hunter" section... 😂🇦🇺🙋🏼♀️
@OnWisconsin33Ай бұрын
Forget the car. That FURNITURE is the CRIME.
@axelfoley1406
Ай бұрын
LMAO. ya.
@storeypicturesАй бұрын
Great journalism. Thanks for pursuing a story that helped someone.
@chrismanning1171Ай бұрын
Years ago I found a NSX for sell my dream car. The price was too good to be true. I reached out to the seller and told him I wanted to do the transaction in front of a police station. I never heard back from him. I knew it was a scam.
@nwezetx1
Ай бұрын
Awful grammar and incoherent.
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@nwezetx1 like u ?
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@nwezetx1 criminal lover
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@nwezetx1 you should follow your own advice on your youtube bio
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@nwezetx1 lurk much?
@your_royal_highness2 ай бұрын
I used to sell my own cars until I started leasing for about 25 years straight. I would want to know where the buyer got the car as Carvana is notorious themselves.
@craphittingthefan236021 күн бұрын
The only reason this Porsche owner got her car back is because of the News, the former owner needs to be jailed for fraud.
@Gene4666Ай бұрын
DMV should be liable since they reregistered this car and not flag it
@gecko-ko362Ай бұрын
Not really a happy ending. The seller should have been sued or arrested. The DMV and insurance company failed to see if the owner did surrender the car and plates. Carvana and the financial loan company failed to tow the car when it was in possession of the delinquent seller. 🤦♂️
@ElDellАй бұрын
Another reason to stay away from Carvana
@skylagramАй бұрын
I feel so bad for the woman and I’m glad she was able to get her vehicle back but Carvana sell stolen cars on a daily basis 🙄 they need to investigate that also.
@SKF358Ай бұрын
This country is a lost cause as crime is so frequent and extensive, law enforcement isn't even pursued, and so crime increases even further.
@greenwoodlakehanaАй бұрын
at the end of the day, this lady got a decent deal and her dream car. im happy for her
@19lol19Ай бұрын
Sad it took a news station to solve this issue
@PoeticTea_Ай бұрын
Im glad she got her car in the end, heart breaking she went through all that but im glad she got help.
@meghan7411Ай бұрын
Love that she was able to get her vehicle back 👏🏼 good job nbc !
@harshoperator4162 ай бұрын
NBC just found out that water is wet.
@cyclemadness2 ай бұрын
I won’t even sell my car privately. I just trade in. You do t get as much, but I won’t have to hear about it later.
@johnkeithracho3944
2 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s easy that way to get rid of it.
@WhiteWolfos
Ай бұрын
Trade in is stupid, but ig if you have alot of money it's no problem.
@HudsonGTV
Ай бұрын
@@WhiteWolfostrade-in can be useful for tax purposes
@user-mu8ty7vc3y
Ай бұрын
If you're not hiding, you needn't worry
@johnkeithracho3944
Ай бұрын
@@HudsonGTV you can use it as a down payment also.
@9OClockRantАй бұрын
The seller should be charged, and the buyer should file a lawsuit against the seller.
@ajspiceАй бұрын
Good for her! I'm thrilled to hear she got her car back! She did everything right. Navy Fed should have caught that before issuing a loan. Nice to see the good people getting treated right.
@justdoingitjim70952 ай бұрын
No consequences! And our lawmakers can't understand why crime in the U.S. is totally RAMPANT!
@malewire1263
Ай бұрын
The lawmakers are too busy committing crimes themselves!
@dzrewn1
Ай бұрын
@@malewire1263exactly
@gregorypaine513
Ай бұрын
Mainly Democrats
@aaa-hs3it
Ай бұрын
thanks to sleepy joe!!!!
@jmiller297
Ай бұрын
@@gregorypaine513 So, how's Trump's hoo-hah taste, bruh??
@sonshinethomas79862 ай бұрын
All the best cars I have bought was honest preowned private sellers.
@Manskilz
2 ай бұрын
Bought a 2002 Lexus LS from a guy. He kept it in the garage and had all the maintenance records. It literally looks brand new. The leather seats don't have any cracks and the headliner and carpets are spotless. All for 8k.
@andrewsackey5728
Ай бұрын
The odds don't favor some
@WhoCares-ml9fg3 күн бұрын
Finally a story where they don't say there's nothing they could do about it.
@seer1Ай бұрын
Such a High Dollar Purchase should Never be purchased from a online seller.
@silentnight9655
Ай бұрын
Zakly.
@aymaanrehman2598
Ай бұрын
Bought my 100k Porsche off Facebook. I've also seen $4 million cars sold on FB. You just sound closed minded. This persons story was a one off case
@illogicallogic6001Ай бұрын
The fact that they know who he is and will not arrest him is sickening. Now he will just run off to do this to someone else who will not be as lucky. Crazy to think how bad our country sucks today.
@aaa-hs3it
Ай бұрын
we can thank stupid joe!!!
@tylermallory25042 ай бұрын
for every private seller that's sketchy their is a dealership in comparison...
@badlyniceness2315Ай бұрын
Thanks for helping. I did not expect this outcome.
@adriananoelle4699Ай бұрын
Poor lady! I’m glad it had a happy ending!
@phantommah8042
Ай бұрын
Yup. Scammer won and she got her car everyone won
@gabesmath105
Ай бұрын
it makes me glad to be one of those "legal address i've never lived at" type of folks🤣🤣
@thereallevi9543Ай бұрын
Glad she got the car back you can tell she loves that car and will take good care of it
@NYRM1974Ай бұрын
The fake seller is going to jail
@dianethomas5398Ай бұрын
With that price there has to be some questions, luckily she was able to retrieve back her property
@user-qb8mj3nd6xАй бұрын
Kudos to the News Team, Great Ending!!!
@abutts02Ай бұрын
Seller needs to face criminal charges
@shahs3262Ай бұрын
This happened to me as well. The only difference was that the car was stolen and the person who sold it to me, stole it from me as well
@user-fc7is6jo2eАй бұрын
The ONLY reason that the corporations did the right thing is because the local news was exposing their bad behavior of being unwilling to help the lady in the first place. Even though the fraudster did wrong, what the companies did was way worse. sadly, the real problem people will never be held accountable. That is because we live in a very broken society.
@javaskull882 ай бұрын
I would buy a used car from a local person, subject to a mechanic’s inspection. But sight unseen from FB marketplace? No way.
@iamthestig1
Ай бұрын
I'd only buy from a dealer, and I'd do a CarVertical check on it.
@johnkeithracho39442 ай бұрын
This is why we need to be careful.
@rampar7720 күн бұрын
1. Never buy from private party. 2. She should have checked with local DMV in original state. 3. The bank and the DMV should have verified the title. 4. if it was too cheap. It was.
@successfullym3Ай бұрын
A 9 years old car is your dream car? That's crazy... and he should be in jail
@bellford7067Ай бұрын
she need to sued everybody for 2 months of emotional stress
@habibifather7681
Ай бұрын
Lmao 😂😂😂😂 legal fees would not be worth it.
@renes3360
Ай бұрын
2 months? She had it over 19 months
@arfriedman4577Ай бұрын
Carfax does not always have proper car info if its not reported or entered. Someone that worked at an autobody shop said this.
@americanbadass88
Ай бұрын
if you do the bulk of your work yourself it won't show up on carfax as being maintained either.
@maxheadroom8097Ай бұрын
That is why you don’t buy from crap sites like both of them
@michaell.44513 күн бұрын
As soon as they said private seller along with the video title... That already said it all.
@santo8389Ай бұрын
How did her bank and the DMV not catch this?....SMH
@jaggsta
Ай бұрын
because she bought it from PA and she transferred it to VA clearly PA didn't check for the lien before allowing VA to issue new title.
@iamthestig1
Ай бұрын
Finance records don't show up on your logbook (V5), only your details as the keeper, and technical info about the car.
@AlejandroArchila1Ай бұрын
25k for a 2015 Porsche?? Something is wrong right away. 💀❌
@cassinihuygens
Ай бұрын
No that’s about right lmao
@MightMouse2174
Ай бұрын
Depends on where you go that's about right
@AlejandroArchila1
Ай бұрын
@@chrisg5101 you right I always checking on the Porsche 911 and prices are always high so wasn’t expecting this to be this cheap but they do take depreciation different than other Porches.
@gregwelch2459Ай бұрын
That guy should be in prison 💯
@mdw453Ай бұрын
always remember, when u pay the vehicle off, make sure u take the gps off
@colinchandler6516Ай бұрын
she so lucky you'll helped her
@joshjordan14862 ай бұрын
A random person is still more trustful than any dealer.
@pasques
Ай бұрын
ok whatever you say
@user-mu8ty7vc3y
Ай бұрын
I wouldn't say so
@aaa-hs3it
Ай бұрын
ur like 10 years old im sure
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
Degenerate
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
One comment lurk
@tsangdennis1953Ай бұрын
The rightful owner of the car was the finance company that arranged a mortgage to the seller. If this is the fact, how was the seller able to sell it to a third party ?
@SCSC-qz7rrАй бұрын
The seller should be arrested and charged! 😡This is ridiculous he hasn’t been charged yet. 😡 If he gets away with it, then we will start to see more and more cases like this… I hope he gets charged soon this guy is a criminal!
@mnjlittle7547Ай бұрын
Wait. Did she get that car for $25,000 then? That’s fucking crazy.
@CrispusAttucks2315
Ай бұрын
Good deal
@teresaoconnell47902 ай бұрын
I don't understand why and how she was allowed to keep it. I suppose Carvana has written it off on their taxes as a loss or an uncollectable debt. Or perhaps made some kind of insurance claim.
@bamarealist
Ай бұрын
Yeah, luckily they were willing to take the loss rather than fork it over to her, especially seeing all she’d gone through already.👍
@user-jk2zm7uq5s
Ай бұрын
Carvana/Bridgecrest are out tens of thousands of dollars (since they neither have the car nor the money) - yet they don't even pursue the fraudulent seller. (4:33) Which implies that those shenanigans with the washed title might only have been possible because they did sth in a way they weren't supposed to...so they want the attention to go away. And of course TV (attention).
@david672orford
Ай бұрын
Hard to say because this story is not clear about what the seller did to "wash" the title. Either he sold it with the lien somehow hidden, or he sold it after somehow tricking the DMV into dropping the lien from the title. In the first case Carvana gave the car back to avoid the bad publicity that would come from making an innocent woman pay for their customer's fraud. In the second case, Carvana gave the car back because, with the lien gone, they had no legal right to take it. I lien fraudulantly removed is still gone.
@jaggsta
Ай бұрын
Because car is legally in her name in VA the PA title is void at that point.
@SeanMorrisonRocksАй бұрын
she needs to sue the Repo truck for an illegal tow
@SYSTEMSBREACHАй бұрын
Why does my heart and prayers go out to this woman….
@rwest1966Ай бұрын
Then she took it for a service and immediately realized she couldn't afford it
@gman30002 ай бұрын
My father and uncle know what to look for when they inspect cars: when they know something is off about the car in question.
@CappellanoАй бұрын
"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is"
@joesprague1464Ай бұрын
Many cars end up on Craigslist because they can’t sell them honestly any other way.Most Craigslist sellers lie about condition or other important details.CYA when buying an expensive car.This lady was just plain lucky.
@pep590Ай бұрын
The lady has some cool looking furniture too.
@peryole2 ай бұрын
I would never recommend anyone buy a used luxury vehicle, especially a very late model. I've owned luxury vehicles for 15 years, I'm on my 3rd Acura. Luxury vehicles like mine do not depreciate in value very quickly, so buying a used one is almost as expensive as buying a new vehicle, in fact, the one I just bought in December was negotiated below the price of a used car a dealer near my home tried to sell me, I thought they'd lost their minds, I flew to another state that gave me nearly 7k of MSRP and drove back home. Only ignorant people pay sticker price.
@JW95322
2 ай бұрын
Just curious does the funds spent to go to another state and paying to register an out of state car counteract the 7,000 of MSRP?
@peryole
2 ай бұрын
@@JW95322@JW95322 yes, it was well worth it. I bought my truck in Dallas, I live in Louisiana, registration/tax/title/license is the same whether I buy the car in Virginia, Dallas, or here in Louisiana because all of that is based on where you live. I paid 260 for a first class ticket to Dallas, it saved me thousands. The only fee that would be different is the dealer document fees, which is cheaper in Texas than Louisiana.
@peryole
2 ай бұрын
@JW95322 yes, it was well worth it. I bought my truck in Dallas, I live in Louisiana, registration/tax/title/license is the same whether I buy the car in Virginia, Dallas, or here in Louisiana because all of that is based on where you live. I paid 260 for a first class ticket to Dallas, it saved me thousands. The only fee that would be different is the dealer document fees, which is cheaper in Texas than Louisiana.
@JW95322
2 ай бұрын
Appreciate you answering that with class. Thats informational
@peryole
2 ай бұрын
@@JW95322 there's no competition in Louisiana, there aren't many dealers where I live so they have no incentive to discount a car, find the letter volume dealers and I'll guarantee they're not letting a sale walk away.
Пікірлер
this seller needs to be arrested for committing fraud.
@Hellcat71782
Ай бұрын
Ya think
@A-uf3so
Ай бұрын
@@Hellcat71782Probably won't happen. He's a friend of a friend who pulls strings, most likely. Probably a very friendly/ fake soulless man!
@HardCold-Alquan
Ай бұрын
I guess no one really knows what to do on the matter.
@archie_bunker
Ай бұрын
arrested? he would be out on the streets in an hour.
@GrowHighO
Ай бұрын
Really Brian?
Navy Federal should have caught it. They're supposed to check the VIN to make sure there's not a lien on the vehicle with a different lender.
@CatharineCummings
Ай бұрын
💯💯💯💯
@mackcity74gdn89
Ай бұрын
If the dmv coutldnt catch wat make u think the bank would
@justhere4721
Ай бұрын
@@mackcity74gdn89If they don't check they won't know. A lot of people clearly didn't want to do their job. That's why it took the news to step in just for her to get answers. Everyone just kept ignoring her.
@rgodon7552
Ай бұрын
Carvana isn’t exactly known For being on the up and up with their paperwork. My guess is that navy did their due diligence and carvana was just late filing the lien.
@RareJewel777
Ай бұрын
Navy been fu(!^g up lately...
The seller should be charged with straight forward fraud.
@cococinnamon2236
22 күн бұрын
He probably left the Country
Arrest the seller. I’m glad she got her car back.
@TEverettReynolds
Ай бұрын
The bank that gave the Carvana loan was late filing the lien paperwork, they are also to blame, which is why they gave the car back to the lady.
He knew exactly what he was doing, he needs to be in jail for fraud.
@08baby25
Ай бұрын
Yes, I know someone who was trying to low-key do this. Luckily, they repo the car before they could sell it.😏 Unfortunately, these scammers barely get caught.
@l.c.3150
Ай бұрын
So many crimes occur and they have the victims face and name but often time they don’t publish the criminal’s name of picture. Shame.
@NeoFreshair
Ай бұрын
The lady could sue him for distress and she's got winnable case ........ But I have suspicion that the seller might be an enforcement agent and everything brushed under the carpet so quickly ..... ........ And what's disgusting is no one gave her answer nor helped her until news outlet intervened ....... The system work for the rich and the authorities but not working class ......
@neilcharles2520
Ай бұрын
What make him different than the people who run America?They steal by the billions.
@willysnowman
Ай бұрын
He was just acting like President Trump...
WAITTT SO THIS MAN IS WALKING AWAY WITH 25k !?!?!?!?!!?!??!!?!?!?!
@SammyC-ro5jq
Ай бұрын
Very disturbing. Might inspire copycats
@sblijheid
Ай бұрын
She should've filed a lolice report in PA. Minus Philly and Pittsburg, law enforcement in PA seem to enjoy throwing criminals in jail.
@IamDrDee
Ай бұрын
Pittsburgh*
@Look_What_You_Did
Ай бұрын
Back the blue till it happens to you. Loser.
@speedfreak8200
Ай бұрын
Wait, so this guy is the all caps guy !?!?
My aunt had bought a used car with cash with an actual clean title. It was back when Nissan Maximas were in the top 5 most stolen vehicles. She was working at Lowe's one day and someone said they saw her car being towed. She ran out there and a towing company said they were repossessing it. She told them she doesn't owe anything on the car but they wouldn't listen. She called the cops and they told her it was civil matter, even though you know if were of their or their relatives 's cars being towed they would step in, and they couldn't do anything. Finally the manger at Lowe's told the towing company if they did not leave without the car he would trespass them. She found that people were stealing cars by making up false repo letters and sending tow companies in to get the cars, then taking the cars to an empty lot in another state. The thieves would then come get the car strip it for parts and leave it somewhere. The cops could have ended a stolen car ring if they had just listened, but they are lazy and won't listen.
@RoommateWiLLE
Ай бұрын
Inside Job
@davea4245
Ай бұрын
The Goons with Guns lazy and incompetent? 😲 Say it's not so...😳
It was my understanding that if you owe money on a car, you never even get to SEE the title until you have paid it off.
@TheBlackSheepReport
Ай бұрын
Depends on the state. Some states issue title with any lien holders listed on it. This guy did some photoshop/Illustrator type shit to produce a clean "looking" title.
@ecaldwell9
25 күн бұрын
@@TheBlackSheepReportYup!
Navy Federal should give her money back for failing to verify the VIN. Shame
@kevins9688
Ай бұрын
@@biggzacc2145 what process is this. I thought only the lien holder could do this.
@biggzacc2145
Ай бұрын
@@kevins9688 just like they steal homes.
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@biggzacc2145 speak proper english
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@biggzacc2145 degenerate
@saldiven2009
Ай бұрын
It depends on the state. I work for a credit union in Georgia. Currently, I'm in mortgage underwriting, but I was in automobile financing for 10+ years previously. Georgia's DMV has an automated telephone service that you can call and enter in a VIN. The service will disclose the year, make, & model of the vehicle on record, as well as the owner of record, the mileage as of the last time the title was recorded, and any lienholders that appear in the DMV records. I do not know if any other states have a similar system. But, we were a small credit union, so we didn't want to handle financing out-of-state private party automobile purchases because it was so much more difficult to verify the status of the title in those cases.
Buying a used car from a dealer isn’t that much safer.
@dougfredricks2017
2 ай бұрын
Plus they rob you with hidden Fee$ 😂
@ryder4508
Ай бұрын
Especially Carvana. 😂
@temujinkhan6326
Ай бұрын
well people are robbed more at car dealers than private sales
@EconomicWarfare
Ай бұрын
💯
@KK-qv2df
Ай бұрын
Automation in Laurel Maryland is thee worst. They sold me an overpriced Certified used car which had a fire in the transmission. I gave them Hell but the still got away with fraud.
My confusion is why Navy Federal didn't secure a clear title. As a former Bank Compliance Officer my lenders were not allowed to release the funds until we had a clear title. No duplicate titles were allowed. Also, how was the duplicate title obtained. It should have been mailed to the lien holder. I have so many questions. There were a LOT of chances for this to be caught before it got this far. However, the bottom line is that the seller needs to serve time.
@becsterino
Ай бұрын
I love Navy Federal so even I'm a little confused on this
@PlacesSpacesinBetween
Ай бұрын
Maybe a personal loan
@TheBlackSheepReport
Ай бұрын
Depends on the state. Some states issue titles with the lienholders name listed. This was likely a photoshopped version.
$25K for a Porsche should’ve been a red flag for a scam.
@firewater365
Ай бұрын
You can get a used Porsche Macan for as low as $30,000…… what she paid isn’t that far off and it wasn’t from a dealership. 😊
@emiralbdyri9668
Ай бұрын
Not really. It’s a 2020 Macan
@TheBlackSheepReport
Ай бұрын
@@emiralbdyri9668 2015
@atthesunyousee
Ай бұрын
@emiralbdyri9668 2015
@TEverettReynolds
Ай бұрын
Her $25k Porsche will need a $15k tune-up and timing chain replacement any day now...
She's sooooo lucky that she got her car back!
@Freedomcustom
Ай бұрын
By bad PR and by technicality in the long run it would of cost them more to NOT return it
@gammagogeta
Ай бұрын
The dude was the lucky one, no arrest and pocket 25K and they even know who he is and said they will do nothing about it.
@salemsmith2878
Ай бұрын
Carvana can write off the loss, so ultimately we the tax payers pay. That said this is something worth paying for.
@RuyGedares_GuyRedares
Ай бұрын
Guy is probably on the run, or even left the country. @@gammagogeta
@axelfoley1406
Ай бұрын
@@gammagogeta Lucky? His info is probably plastered in every state govt database in the country, lol. He will eventually get his.
25k Porsche is a red flag
@peryole
2 ай бұрын
Exactly! Many luxury brands do not depreciate a whole lot in value. I'd never recommend anyone buy a late model luxury car, it's likely to cost more than a well negotiated new car. I owned a 2010 TSX that was totaled 3 years later, it has 44k miles on it. The insurance company paid me almost 27k for it, I paid 29500 for the car, the original sticker price was 36k. I paid off the 5k i owed and bought another one and put down 15k.
@tylermallory2504
2 ай бұрын
just a ceyanne and a few years old. 25k is about right... I'm currently shopping for a 2012 less than 30,000 mile panamera and they can be found for about 40k
@TheG60528XiJinPing
2 ай бұрын
You are all handicapped and know nothing. It's a fckn 10 year old Porsche SUV.
@thinline8504
2 ай бұрын
BRO ITS A 2015 LMAOOOO. and probably has like 60k miles on it... the price seems right. CHECK GOOGLE. they go for even less bro.
@humbleiamsmith4197
2 ай бұрын
That’s what I said I would’ve thought: A juicy Lemon😂😂😂😂😂
Crazy thing is i just looked these cars up and They are priced 25-30000 so i can understand how it wouldn't seem like a scam
Good job 4 Responds for helping a victim with this problem.
I'm astonished that her BANK would finance such a car, as they have an even HIGHER obligation to due-diligence that title.
@Cmdrjo
Ай бұрын
I think it is more of the DMV'S responsibility. They issued a title to Navy Fed showing they have security interest in the vehicle, and registered the car to the new owner.
@dougfisher1813
Ай бұрын
That car is hideous.
@Phillipnoogen
Ай бұрын
@dougfisher1813 yeah Porsche are ugly for being a premium car brand. No way I would pay a lot of money for their style.
@PowerNGlory
Ай бұрын
@@dougfisher1813 It's better than that furniture in her house.
@stanleydogood8874
Ай бұрын
😂 y’all some mean Vatos !!!
Im glad she was able to get her property back.
@theshmalls
Ай бұрын
It's a good ending for sure but legally carvana had every right to take that car back, she purchased it through a fraudulent transaction. Normally in these cases the original seller repo's the car and it's up to the person who got scammed to sue the fraudster for their money back.
@Pete391
Ай бұрын
It never was her property............Until they felt sorry andfgave the car to her...
@lefthanded5473
Ай бұрын
I wouldn’t even want the car honestly. If the seller had to fraudulently sell the car in the first place, you know damn well they skimped out on the maintenance.
@gabesmath105
Ай бұрын
@theshmalls it makes me glad to be one of those "legal address i've never lived at" type of folks 😂😂
Get that fraud in jail. She should also sue the seller. Someone needs to get justice
Seller/defrauder should be in jail!
@user-gz4ve8mw9l
Ай бұрын
Innocent people in prison, criminals walking free on the streets. Innocent people without rights, criminals have all the rights. The biggest criminals run the country.
The problem this country has, they are way to lenient on criminals! But tough on law abiding citizens!
@unclebrother6244
Ай бұрын
Brother, your comment should have a million thumbs up! You are 100% correct. If we had penalties similar to what you see in places like Singapore, people would think twice before committing crimes.
@bsqwahlE
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂 the US has the biggest per capita prison population on the globe.
@unclebrother6244
Ай бұрын
@@bsqwahlE while that's true, your comment is misleading. The overwhelming majority of American inmates are serving short sentences. In otherwords, we have more incarcerated ppl than any other nation, however the majority of them will be released in a short time (less than 5 years) and they'll be replaced right away with other lawbreakers, who will likely serve short sentences. Most inmates in America aren't serving long, harsh sentences for violent crimes. The ones serving long sentences are just a small fraction of the overall inmate population. With that being said, the comment at the top is correct. The American penal system is too lenient on criminals. It's a game of catch and release after a short stay in prison.
@rewing4880
Ай бұрын
Agree with the first half of what you said but they are too tough on law abiding citizen? I had a friend that used to say that. No big deal he had no insurance on his vehicle. Wasn't needed as he had no drivers license. Car was a rattle trap that would never pass smog and he drove it for years before some cop noticed the expired tags. Then it was "Hey man, can you come over and give me a ride?" We don't talk anymore.
@clementthurn1992
Ай бұрын
@@rewing4880 Good for you. what a miscreant. Shame on him.
The seller is a liar and needs to be charged and arrested.
Note to self. Don't by a Porsche at half price from some rando on the side of the road.
Why do we continue to allow this? The seller needs to be arrested and held accountable
@sootuckchoong7077
Ай бұрын
Scammers seems to be winning.
@superdave8248
Ай бұрын
Although I agree, the fruad happened in one state and in one county. The victim lives in another state and another county. So you have two different counties and two different states that could ultimately file charges. And all four policing departments are likely wondering if the juice is worth the squeeze. And even Carvana's lending partner doesn't want to take a civil lawsuit out because of the expense involved with little to no likelihood of receiving even their legal expenses back. Had the victim in this case lived in the same state as where the initial fraud occurred, I suspect charges would have been placed on the person who illegally sold the vehicle. But once you cross state lines, unless there was bodily injury to a party or you are dealing with a fraud case in the seven figures so it gets headlines, the banks are likely just going to write the loss off. And yes, a case could be argued for interstate fraud which would then make this a federal case. As Navy Federal Credit Union would have used a mail carrier or electronic transfer to send the money to the victim so she could give the fraudster a cashier's check.
@Epic_C
Ай бұрын
Democrats allow it that's why
@sootuckchoong7077
Ай бұрын
Funny USA is One Country yet America is like separate 50 different countries.
@phantommah8042
Ай бұрын
@@sootuckchoong7077 scammers have always been winning. Only losers are those who play by the book
He sold a stolen car, give her, her money back. Damn
@rewing4880
Ай бұрын
Dude. She got the car back and its hers with no more payments. She got a deal in the end and I am happy she did. But she went thru a lot of stress and she might have had a law suit for a lot of money. in her future. Carvana and the Credit Union saw a huge public relations storm coming and they did the cheapest solution possible. They gave her the car. Its a good story with an awesome ending.
@habibifather7681
Ай бұрын
You fall for a scam you don't deserve your money back for being so stoopid.
@Freedomcustom
Ай бұрын
Car wasn't stolen he had purchased it but baled on the repayment plan and sold it on
@alextaylor8776
Ай бұрын
@@rewing4880Hold up, who said she has no more payments. The bank loaned her $25k and she has the car back, the bank is still going to want their money. I think she has to keep paying her monthly payments.
@seganaleqa
Ай бұрын
Did you even watch the video? 😅😅
I have learned from my mistakes never to purchase a vehicle online again. I had a bad experience once.
I had a similar thing happen to me...I sold my car to a small used dealership. 2 years later I get a call (at work) from the Cleveland Police Department that asked me when I was going to pick up my car and pay the $1200 impound fee. I asked what car because my car was right here with me. They told me it was the 1986 Pontiac 6000 STE which I sold 2 years ago. Cleveland Police told me that it was my problem now and I had to get it cleared up because the impound fee was going up every day. I contacted the dealership I sold the car to and he said that he sold it to another dealership who then sold it to a private buyer. My name stayed on the title through 3 other owners. The original dealer I sold it to said that he would take care of it. I gave him all the phone numbers and people at the Cleveland Police. Two days later I got a call from Cleveland again and they said that it was all cleared up and to have a nice day.
How did the seller have possession of the title with a lien on the car.? The Finance Co. should have the title. Very Bizzare.
@DecrepitBiden
2 ай бұрын
Maybe he faked it, or know someone who works in DMV (friend/family) to create the title for him.
Ай бұрын
Because in some states, you can keep the title but they list the lien holders (i.e.) the bank, name on the title, AS THEY SAID IN THIS STORY!
@Ddccpp2152
Ай бұрын
Exactly!!
@michaelb.8953
Ай бұрын
Pennsylvania isn't one of those states. You don't get the title until the car is paid in full and the lending institution then and only then releases the title to you once the last payment clears.
@djdetermine2066
Ай бұрын
You can look up, and you will see there aren't any leins on anything only for 21 days so the companies can file it with the DMV, mortgage companies, etc... UCC 11 check with your secretary of state see what they say
Got to publish the mans name & address, he needs to be made famous!
@BlindBiker3
Ай бұрын
We need to have mercy on him, but he should know that what he did was wrong.
@clarkwilson6340
Ай бұрын
@@BlindBiker3 LOL no mercy and why did he repent or you a criminal too huh;
@shoechew
Ай бұрын
“We” need to have mercy? This is not my problem or yours.
@MM-jf1me
Ай бұрын
@@BlindBiker3 Stealing $25K from a stranger is a lot to forgive, especially when the thief has never shown remorse.
@refugiolopez3084
Ай бұрын
@@BlindBiker3 you suck
It costs a few bucks to have a car ownership traced, takes a few minutes. Never just hand someone cash who says "yeah this is my car."
The thing that blows my mind about this is that the new owner registered the vehicle under her address (else the repo company couldn't find it) so she almost certainly had to register it under her NAME as well, which would clearly indicate that the car in question was NOT owned by the scammer. Seeing as how the new owner had no financing agreement with the company filing for repo, and the car clearly belonged to someone else, repossessing a car owned by a third party should be considered theft. Instead of repoing a car owned by an innocent person, this should be felony finance fraud or grand theft or something, and the guy who sold the car should be headed to prison. But no, it is easier to go after an innocent person who won't fight, than to go after the actual guilty party.
1. The seller not supposed to have a paper title until he pays off Carvana, it should have an electronic lien. 2. Her state not supposed to register the car without transferring it from Pennsylvania DMV records. That transfer wouldn’t work if it has an electronic lien on it. 3. Her local DMV would verify the fraudulent paper title. So something was wrong. Could it be an employee at Carvana who removed the electronic lien from the title? Most likely. And they probably done it many times already using their friends.
@user-jk2zm7uq5s
Ай бұрын
Carvana and their finance arm are out around tens of thousands of dollars. They aren't even trying to get those tens of thousands of dollars back from the fraudulent seller. Why? Probably because they want to sweep this under the rug. Why? Probably because it's their fault that the fraudulent seller could clean/wash the title so well that neither the DMV nor Barbara's bank noticed anything. Tl;dr: If it wasn't on at least partially on Carvana they'd at least pursue the fraudulent seller - which they don't. Mmh.
@carriebartkowiak
Ай бұрын
1. Each state has their own way of doing it. I'm in Virginia, and here you get a temporary title from the dealer the day you buy the car, and then you get the official one (that looks just like the one they were waving around in the video; green/white and fancy decorations at the top) in the mail from the DMV a few days later. If you bought it with financing, on the title it will CLEARLY say that the car is under a LIEN, and along with your name and address, it'll have the name and address of the finance company. It stays that way until you fully pay the loan off, at which point you get what's called a "pink slip" - it's an official receipt from the loan company saying the loan is paid in full (and yes, it's on pink paper). You can take the pink slip to the DMV, and they'll re-issue you a "clean" title showing that there's no longer a lien on the car and that you own it outright. I've lived in 6 different east coast states and it's been the same in all of them. Maybe it's different out west? 2. and 3. - Yep. The DMV *is* the state though, so these two points are saying the same thing. A flag should have popped up while she was standing at the DMV counter, as it's tied to the VIN.
@Revkor
Ай бұрын
Carvanna has alot of issues
What a blessing to be able to get her car back!!
@Pete391
Ай бұрын
Wasnt her car...She bought stolen property......
Wow! This is absolutely wild. Thank goodness the investigative team was able to look into this and help her. It seems that without this investigation this woman would have been completely at a loss, dream car gone and a loan she is still on the hook for. Great work ! If only the seller would be held responsible by someone. Hopefully in the future.
When it's too good to be true
Is anything ever not a scam anymore.
@treverhackett
Ай бұрын
Nowadays it dont seem like it
Never purchase a luxury vehicle from a “private” person.
@98f5
Ай бұрын
Or maybe run a title check? A corporation is also a "person" and much more likely to fuck your ass
@codegeek-il5fm
Ай бұрын
Keyword here was "Carvana". Shitty company at best and scam at worst.
@manuelpiston
Ай бұрын
Why not?
@oliverfreeman416
Ай бұрын
@@manuelpiston Just be careful. Do your homework before. I had a family member who was deceived by a “private “ seller before.
Good on NBC 4 for shaming these parties and helping this woman get to the bottom of this.
Thank you for investigating this story.
A Porsche with Lionhart tires is also a red flag…
@samsung5181
Ай бұрын
😂😂😂😂, really.
Never buy anything off Facebook market
@bjvu9460
Ай бұрын
That is an ignorant statement when there are thousands of sale happening daily with no issues. If she had driven past his car with a for sale sign on it, would that have been better . Orf, if he had put the ad in a news paper like it was done 20 years ago, would that have been better?
@cedricjackson7521
Ай бұрын
@@bjvu9460 Facebook market is where most people get scammers scam people out of their money. You’re right about one thing if it’s too good to be true it’s not true, but still Facebook market is with scammers scam people out of their money.
@aymaanrehman2598
Ай бұрын
Bought my 100k Porsche off Facebook. I've also seen $4 million cars sold on FB. You just sound closed minded. This persons story was a one off case
@alli3219
Ай бұрын
My Mitsubishi van I bought off Facebook has absolutely no issues, and there's no chance anyone will want to repossess it, because it's an older model.
@alli3219
Ай бұрын
@@bjvu9460 Yep, early Craigslist and before that newspaper ads in the "bargain hunter" section... 😂🇦🇺🙋🏼♀️
Forget the car. That FURNITURE is the CRIME.
@axelfoley1406
Ай бұрын
LMAO. ya.
Great journalism. Thanks for pursuing a story that helped someone.
Years ago I found a NSX for sell my dream car. The price was too good to be true. I reached out to the seller and told him I wanted to do the transaction in front of a police station. I never heard back from him. I knew it was a scam.
@nwezetx1
Ай бұрын
Awful grammar and incoherent.
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@nwezetx1 like u ?
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@nwezetx1 criminal lover
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@nwezetx1 you should follow your own advice on your youtube bio
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
@@nwezetx1 lurk much?
I used to sell my own cars until I started leasing for about 25 years straight. I would want to know where the buyer got the car as Carvana is notorious themselves.
The only reason this Porsche owner got her car back is because of the News, the former owner needs to be jailed for fraud.
DMV should be liable since they reregistered this car and not flag it
Not really a happy ending. The seller should have been sued or arrested. The DMV and insurance company failed to see if the owner did surrender the car and plates. Carvana and the financial loan company failed to tow the car when it was in possession of the delinquent seller. 🤦♂️
Another reason to stay away from Carvana
I feel so bad for the woman and I’m glad she was able to get her vehicle back but Carvana sell stolen cars on a daily basis 🙄 they need to investigate that also.
This country is a lost cause as crime is so frequent and extensive, law enforcement isn't even pursued, and so crime increases even further.
at the end of the day, this lady got a decent deal and her dream car. im happy for her
Sad it took a news station to solve this issue
Im glad she got her car in the end, heart breaking she went through all that but im glad she got help.
Love that she was able to get her vehicle back 👏🏼 good job nbc !
NBC just found out that water is wet.
I won’t even sell my car privately. I just trade in. You do t get as much, but I won’t have to hear about it later.
@johnkeithracho3944
2 ай бұрын
Yeah it’s easy that way to get rid of it.
@WhiteWolfos
Ай бұрын
Trade in is stupid, but ig if you have alot of money it's no problem.
@HudsonGTV
Ай бұрын
@@WhiteWolfostrade-in can be useful for tax purposes
@user-mu8ty7vc3y
Ай бұрын
If you're not hiding, you needn't worry
@johnkeithracho3944
Ай бұрын
@@HudsonGTV you can use it as a down payment also.
The seller should be charged, and the buyer should file a lawsuit against the seller.
Good for her! I'm thrilled to hear she got her car back! She did everything right. Navy Fed should have caught that before issuing a loan. Nice to see the good people getting treated right.
No consequences! And our lawmakers can't understand why crime in the U.S. is totally RAMPANT!
@malewire1263
Ай бұрын
The lawmakers are too busy committing crimes themselves!
@dzrewn1
Ай бұрын
@@malewire1263exactly
@gregorypaine513
Ай бұрын
Mainly Democrats
@aaa-hs3it
Ай бұрын
thanks to sleepy joe!!!!
@jmiller297
Ай бұрын
@@gregorypaine513 So, how's Trump's hoo-hah taste, bruh??
All the best cars I have bought was honest preowned private sellers.
@Manskilz
2 ай бұрын
Bought a 2002 Lexus LS from a guy. He kept it in the garage and had all the maintenance records. It literally looks brand new. The leather seats don't have any cracks and the headliner and carpets are spotless. All for 8k.
@andrewsackey5728
Ай бұрын
The odds don't favor some
Finally a story where they don't say there's nothing they could do about it.
Such a High Dollar Purchase should Never be purchased from a online seller.
@silentnight9655
Ай бұрын
Zakly.
@aymaanrehman2598
Ай бұрын
Bought my 100k Porsche off Facebook. I've also seen $4 million cars sold on FB. You just sound closed minded. This persons story was a one off case
The fact that they know who he is and will not arrest him is sickening. Now he will just run off to do this to someone else who will not be as lucky. Crazy to think how bad our country sucks today.
@aaa-hs3it
Ай бұрын
we can thank stupid joe!!!
for every private seller that's sketchy their is a dealership in comparison...
Thanks for helping. I did not expect this outcome.
Poor lady! I’m glad it had a happy ending!
@phantommah8042
Ай бұрын
Yup. Scammer won and she got her car everyone won
@gabesmath105
Ай бұрын
it makes me glad to be one of those "legal address i've never lived at" type of folks🤣🤣
Glad she got the car back you can tell she loves that car and will take good care of it
The fake seller is going to jail
With that price there has to be some questions, luckily she was able to retrieve back her property
Kudos to the News Team, Great Ending!!!
Seller needs to face criminal charges
This happened to me as well. The only difference was that the car was stolen and the person who sold it to me, stole it from me as well
The ONLY reason that the corporations did the right thing is because the local news was exposing their bad behavior of being unwilling to help the lady in the first place. Even though the fraudster did wrong, what the companies did was way worse. sadly, the real problem people will never be held accountable. That is because we live in a very broken society.
I would buy a used car from a local person, subject to a mechanic’s inspection. But sight unseen from FB marketplace? No way.
@iamthestig1
Ай бұрын
I'd only buy from a dealer, and I'd do a CarVertical check on it.
This is why we need to be careful.
1. Never buy from private party. 2. She should have checked with local DMV in original state. 3. The bank and the DMV should have verified the title. 4. if it was too cheap. It was.
A 9 years old car is your dream car? That's crazy... and he should be in jail
she need to sued everybody for 2 months of emotional stress
@habibifather7681
Ай бұрын
Lmao 😂😂😂😂 legal fees would not be worth it.
@renes3360
Ай бұрын
2 months? She had it over 19 months
Carfax does not always have proper car info if its not reported or entered. Someone that worked at an autobody shop said this.
@americanbadass88
Ай бұрын
if you do the bulk of your work yourself it won't show up on carfax as being maintained either.
That is why you don’t buy from crap sites like both of them
As soon as they said private seller along with the video title... That already said it all.
How did her bank and the DMV not catch this?....SMH
@jaggsta
Ай бұрын
because she bought it from PA and she transferred it to VA clearly PA didn't check for the lien before allowing VA to issue new title.
@iamthestig1
Ай бұрын
Finance records don't show up on your logbook (V5), only your details as the keeper, and technical info about the car.
25k for a 2015 Porsche?? Something is wrong right away. 💀❌
@cassinihuygens
Ай бұрын
No that’s about right lmao
@MightMouse2174
Ай бұрын
Depends on where you go that's about right
@AlejandroArchila1
Ай бұрын
@@chrisg5101 you right I always checking on the Porsche 911 and prices are always high so wasn’t expecting this to be this cheap but they do take depreciation different than other Porches.
That guy should be in prison 💯
always remember, when u pay the vehicle off, make sure u take the gps off
she so lucky you'll helped her
A random person is still more trustful than any dealer.
@pasques
Ай бұрын
ok whatever you say
@user-mu8ty7vc3y
Ай бұрын
I wouldn't say so
@aaa-hs3it
Ай бұрын
ur like 10 years old im sure
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
Degenerate
@alain2467
Ай бұрын
One comment lurk
The rightful owner of the car was the finance company that arranged a mortgage to the seller. If this is the fact, how was the seller able to sell it to a third party ?
The seller should be arrested and charged! 😡This is ridiculous he hasn’t been charged yet. 😡 If he gets away with it, then we will start to see more and more cases like this… I hope he gets charged soon this guy is a criminal!
Wait. Did she get that car for $25,000 then? That’s fucking crazy.
@CrispusAttucks2315
Ай бұрын
Good deal
I don't understand why and how she was allowed to keep it. I suppose Carvana has written it off on their taxes as a loss or an uncollectable debt. Or perhaps made some kind of insurance claim.
@bamarealist
Ай бұрын
Yeah, luckily they were willing to take the loss rather than fork it over to her, especially seeing all she’d gone through already.👍
@user-jk2zm7uq5s
Ай бұрын
Carvana/Bridgecrest are out tens of thousands of dollars (since they neither have the car nor the money) - yet they don't even pursue the fraudulent seller. (4:33) Which implies that those shenanigans with the washed title might only have been possible because they did sth in a way they weren't supposed to...so they want the attention to go away. And of course TV (attention).
@david672orford
Ай бұрын
Hard to say because this story is not clear about what the seller did to "wash" the title. Either he sold it with the lien somehow hidden, or he sold it after somehow tricking the DMV into dropping the lien from the title. In the first case Carvana gave the car back to avoid the bad publicity that would come from making an innocent woman pay for their customer's fraud. In the second case, Carvana gave the car back because, with the lien gone, they had no legal right to take it. I lien fraudulantly removed is still gone.
@jaggsta
Ай бұрын
Because car is legally in her name in VA the PA title is void at that point.
she needs to sue the Repo truck for an illegal tow
Why does my heart and prayers go out to this woman….
Then she took it for a service and immediately realized she couldn't afford it
My father and uncle know what to look for when they inspect cars: when they know something is off about the car in question.
"If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is"
Many cars end up on Craigslist because they can’t sell them honestly any other way.Most Craigslist sellers lie about condition or other important details.CYA when buying an expensive car.This lady was just plain lucky.
The lady has some cool looking furniture too.
I would never recommend anyone buy a used luxury vehicle, especially a very late model. I've owned luxury vehicles for 15 years, I'm on my 3rd Acura. Luxury vehicles like mine do not depreciate in value very quickly, so buying a used one is almost as expensive as buying a new vehicle, in fact, the one I just bought in December was negotiated below the price of a used car a dealer near my home tried to sell me, I thought they'd lost their minds, I flew to another state that gave me nearly 7k of MSRP and drove back home. Only ignorant people pay sticker price.
@JW95322
2 ай бұрын
Just curious does the funds spent to go to another state and paying to register an out of state car counteract the 7,000 of MSRP?
@peryole
2 ай бұрын
@@JW95322@JW95322 yes, it was well worth it. I bought my truck in Dallas, I live in Louisiana, registration/tax/title/license is the same whether I buy the car in Virginia, Dallas, or here in Louisiana because all of that is based on where you live. I paid 260 for a first class ticket to Dallas, it saved me thousands. The only fee that would be different is the dealer document fees, which is cheaper in Texas than Louisiana.
@peryole
2 ай бұрын
@JW95322 yes, it was well worth it. I bought my truck in Dallas, I live in Louisiana, registration/tax/title/license is the same whether I buy the car in Virginia, Dallas, or here in Louisiana because all of that is based on where you live. I paid 260 for a first class ticket to Dallas, it saved me thousands. The only fee that would be different is the dealer document fees, which is cheaper in Texas than Louisiana.
@JW95322
2 ай бұрын
Appreciate you answering that with class. Thats informational
@peryole
2 ай бұрын
@@JW95322 there's no competition in Louisiana, there aren't many dealers where I live so they have no incentive to discount a car, find the letter volume dealers and I'll guarantee they're not letting a sale walk away.