A Village Lost in Time ~ Cold Springs, Pennsylvania

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  • @pamled6436
    @pamled64363 жыл бұрын

    The woods are medicine for the soul.

  • @bertkelly7650
    @bertkelly76503 жыл бұрын

    The earth does reclaim what's hers.

  • @donkeyslayer4661

    @donkeyslayer4661

    3 жыл бұрын

    Only when we let her.

  • @elizabethanthony9721
    @elizabethanthony97213 жыл бұрын

    Pennsylvania is probably the coolest state. You get a little bit of everything here. I never appreciated it until I got older.

  • @myboyz9391
    @myboyz93913 жыл бұрын

    So I can't find my original comment on here..but my ancestors named Krause emigrated from Silesia..near Poland..They were Moravians and left their homeland due to religious persecution. My ancestors helped to build and settle Bethlehem, PA in the late 1700's.. So this is really cool.

  • @chrisgray8774
    @chrisgray87743 жыл бұрын

    The chatter of katydids is one of my favorite sounds.

  • @danpatch4751
    @danpatch47513 жыл бұрын

    I googled this and found a drawing or picture of the hotel and other buildings around it. Really interesting video and a very nice place.

  • @ormorphe

    @ormorphe

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m not finding this specific place. Do you have a link? Thank you

  • @DalyVideo

    @DalyVideo

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@ormorphe www.stonyvalley.com/coldspring.html

  • @beverlykennedy126
    @beverlykennedy1263 жыл бұрын

    Boy would that trail make for a nice horse back ride it’s really a beautiful spot.

  • @helenkatz9436
    @helenkatz94363 жыл бұрын

    Love your videos and the comments as well - I feel the camaraderie of the group as we venture forth with you! 🙏❤

  • @GrizOnTheTrail
    @GrizOnTheTrail3 жыл бұрын

    You were hearing Taps. It is played every evening at sunset at military installations when they lower the American Flag.

  • @samanthab1923

    @samanthab1923

    3 жыл бұрын

    There's a nice story on the CBS news about a guy who goes out on his balcony every night and plays TAPS up in Washington state. People love it. Look forward to the end of the day.

  • @pmichael73

    @pmichael73

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's "To the Color" - Taps is at lights out.

  • @ryanmckinley3224

    @ryanmckinley3224

    3 жыл бұрын

    That's revelry

  • @RobinRarckeBowles

    @RobinRarckeBowles

    3 жыл бұрын

    There's a National Guard Training Facility just to the north there.

  • @annfeeney1662

    @annfeeney1662

    3 жыл бұрын

    Indiantown Gap military cemetery is close to these woods . it’s a military post, used mostly by PA. national guard

  • @danmathers141
    @danmathers1413 жыл бұрын

    It would be amazing to superimpose what a house would look like when you view a ruined foundation.

  • @larryteager6382
    @larryteager63823 жыл бұрын

    Way cool Cliff! Thank you for taking us on another great adventure!

  • @marilynteed
    @marilynteed3 жыл бұрын

    I was there. Took the car tour when they open the road. My relatives are near there. My aunt lived on Goldmine Road. The spring "pump" is amazing. just reducing the pipe size can drip it up to the water tower. My other Uncle was the Local Historian for that area. Francis Ditzler the youngest boy of 9, ( my mother was the youngest girl now 93 and the last surviving), wrote several history books, including Old Black Joe who was a runaway slave. There is also a road that goes to it over the mountain from the opposite side as the railroad bed. It is dirt and washed out most times, with a creek at the bottom.

  • @bethlehemeisenhour8352
    @bethlehemeisenhour83523 жыл бұрын

    October 23rd I turned 64. Thanks for the nice walk.

  • @sheilakidd9805
    @sheilakidd98053 жыл бұрын

    Great video!!!so far ❤❤❤❤History from Georgia 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸👍

  • @jwon5614
    @jwon56143 жыл бұрын

    What a great camera-this gives you a real you are there feeling-wow😊 What a beautiful forrest

  • @maureenblutekraus3561
    @maureenblutekraus35613 жыл бұрын

    My ex husband used to camp there with his boy Scouts back in mid to late 70's

  • @darlenegood4101
    @darlenegood41013 жыл бұрын

    thank you for the hike, but you know you can take a day off to rest and relax. especially after a very busy day.

  • @eileenmacdougall8945
    @eileenmacdougall89453 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful country Thank you for posting.

  • @jaimemartinez8121
    @jaimemartinez81213 жыл бұрын

    Moonshiners heaven

  • @nonaeubinis7891
    @nonaeubinis78913 жыл бұрын

    Those lichens and the Mosses on those stones are beautiful.

  • @sheilakidd9805
    @sheilakidd98053 жыл бұрын

    Great job Cliff enjoying!!!this video ❤❤❤❤❤👍

  • @tyesoutherland4618
    @tyesoutherland46183 жыл бұрын

    I would love to see the before photo's of this amazing village.

  • @porkturtle8321

    @porkturtle8321

    2 жыл бұрын

    Me too. My local haunt at Lake Galena in Bucks County used to be a lead mining town in the 19th century (N. Branch Neshaminy Creek dammed in 1970's, flooding the former town of Galena creating the lake) and photos of how things were back then are scarce.

  • @pamelanoel8948
    @pamelanoel89483 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful. Love the crunching leaves. It's always fascinating to find pieces of history.

  • @MultiLisa10
    @MultiLisa103 жыл бұрын

    Wow, really cool video!👍

  • @pmichael73
    @pmichael733 жыл бұрын

    A great place to revisit. You're right, you see new things each time.

  • @ilenewilliams4977
    @ilenewilliams49773 жыл бұрын

    Thank You

  • @suzanjournagan1112
    @suzanjournagan11123 жыл бұрын

    Awesome old stone ruins. "Don't know what the zip code was". LOL😆😅😄

  • @razorransom1795

    @razorransom1795

    3 жыл бұрын

    Never know, could do some back research on the area and find it. Did that to the local mining ghost town and found its related other closeby. Was an interesting dive, helping by bro with a college geo cultural history project with it as the center.

  • @myboyz9391

    @myboyz9391

    3 жыл бұрын

    How cool! My 5xs Krause ancestors were Moravians who came to PA in the late 1700's. They were original settlers of Bethlehem, PA.

  • @razorransom1795

    @razorransom1795

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@myboyz9391 many in my area are first settlers of west pa including a good portion of my mom side. The revolution lottery gave many who were soldiers land as payment, and that is how the area got settled originally besides fur trade and William Penn and/or his son's stuff. The local ghost town I helped my bro research first origins is from the revolution lottery grant.

  • @elnabjelland-hughes8172
    @elnabjelland-hughes81723 жыл бұрын

    You’re hiking through a beautiful place - nice and quiet and I’m enjoying traveling along with you in this video 😊 That must’ve been a really nice town when it was all built up there’s not much left now but it was a nice hike through the woods thank you for sharing this interesting video 😊💕

  • @richardbutterfoss2353
    @richardbutterfoss23533 жыл бұрын

    Sad. Thanks for the tour.

  • @giniwalters8401
    @giniwalters84013 жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed the hike thru the woods!!! I love seeing the old stone ruins!!! Thank you Cliff for sharing!!! Take care, stay safe and God bless you!!!

  • @makeupboss3568
    @makeupboss35683 жыл бұрын

    A life affirming place to be . The solitude of the forests of Pennsylvania are amazing, ( although I’m not much of an outside person ) , my husband used to hunt the “ Game-lands “ of York County,, he’d always come home with neat stories, even if he didn’t bag a deer . I grew up in Blair County, my Dad would hunt the whole way up into Cambria and Clearfield sometimes, and he’d bring home some cool stories, and a lot of times , a deer.

  • @RusticVentures
    @RusticVentures3 жыл бұрын

    Thumbs up Cliff! So peaceful, love the sound of the insects and rustling leaves...plus some awesome ruin foundations!

  • @chocolatte6157
    @chocolatte61573 жыл бұрын

    Considering that zip codes were introduced in 1963, I don’t think the ruins had a zip code.

  • @donnaboisen6003

    @donnaboisen6003

    3 жыл бұрын

    I was going to say the same thing.

  • @makeupboss3568

    @makeupboss3568

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good point.

  • @jackielatham4831
    @jackielatham48313 жыл бұрын

    Oh I loved this place when you took us along some time ago Loved it again even more So nostalgic xx

  • @BikesBoatsBivouacs
    @BikesBoatsBivouacs3 жыл бұрын

    Love exploring these areas. Nice job.

  • @lindamccaughey6669
    @lindamccaughey66693 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for that. I love it when you go back to places and that place is a bit of a fave those stone walls are gorgeous. The crunching of the leaves, the golden shower makes for gorgeous video, just loved it. Thanks so much for taking me along please stay safe and take care

  • @patrickspeer2990
    @patrickspeer29902 жыл бұрын

    That music was TAPS, usually played later in the day, at nighttime when its time to go to bed. That was a beautiful hike. It reminds me a spring resort town way up in the NW corner of PA called Cambridge Springs, there used to be something like four or five massive wooden resort hotels, even into the 1990s. One of the last ones just burned down recently. They are located right next to a creek called French Creek and springs were right next to the creek.

  • @christihiatt3459
    @christihiatt34593 жыл бұрын

    You remind me of friends who have done similar things with my books, and it's good to see you again in such a beautiful and tranquil place

  • @SueGirling68
    @SueGirling683 жыл бұрын

    Hi Cliff, I do remember these ruins from before, it looks so beautiful with the Fall colour as a backdrop and the crunch as you walk through them. It must have been a happening place back in the day with people just relaxing away from the noise of the cities. Thank you for sharing, much love. xx💖

  • @susanrocksvold534
    @susanrocksvold5343 жыл бұрын

    Watch out for Sasquatch 🤣🤣

  • @ohdiggy8038

    @ohdiggy8038

    3 жыл бұрын

    No seriously. Idk about that particular area of Cold Springs, though.

  • @michaeldomansky8497
    @michaeldomansky84973 жыл бұрын

    So many such places in America! Tales of futures past.

  • @dorettelyons6366
    @dorettelyons63663 жыл бұрын

    What a great video - the darker lighting, freshly fallen leaves amid the ruins, and single katydid ( my favorite sound) play on the imagination

  • @QuestForDetails
    @QuestForDetails3 жыл бұрын

    love the vids man, always fun watching your wanders !!

  • @brigittegilmore5756
    @brigittegilmore57563 жыл бұрын

    New sub absolutely stunning footage thank you for taking me along your journey nice stress reliever thank you💚

  • @Eatapotato
    @Eatapotato3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing!

  • @pamelaattrux336
    @pamelaattrux3363 жыл бұрын

    Yes thankyou for doing these videos again

  • @cathyherron2157
    @cathyherron21573 жыл бұрын

    Interesting place to visit, probably a lot of history was made there. Good time to visit looks like in the fall of the year very beautiful place. Thank you

  • @chelseydeetta2847
    @chelseydeetta28473 жыл бұрын

    I HAVE SEEN THIS ONE BEFORE, BUT I ENJOYED SEEING IT AGAIN. ITS SO BEAUTIFUL PEACEFUL. I CAN'T BELIEVE HOW THAT MOSS WOULD COVER STUFF LIKE STEPS. I WISH I WAS AROUND BACK IN THE DAY IT WAS IN FUNCTION. IT WOULD BE VERY EXCITING. THANKS AGAIN FOR SHOWING THIS AS I WILL NEVER GET TIRED OF IT. ITS SURE A BIG TREASURE.

  • @dawndietz4654
    @dawndietz46543 жыл бұрын

    You peaked my curiosity so I had to Google Cold Springs. Really a neat vlog, thanks.

  • @kesleycottrell1416
    @kesleycottrell14163 жыл бұрын

    Check out Pithole in Venango County. It's fascinating, it was basically a city abandoned after the oil boom.

  • @cindykaye3152
    @cindykaye31523 жыл бұрын

    The 23rd was my birthday! A great way to celebrate, even belatedly! Thanks for sharing, Cliff!

  • @annfeeney1662
    @annfeeney16623 жыл бұрын

    There are many beautiful wooded areas in PA. this one is only 30 miles from Harrisburg, PA , the capital.

  • @flaviuscharlestango4098

    @flaviuscharlestango4098

    3 жыл бұрын

    I'm from Montgomery County, PA but live in Northern Arizona now (beautiful in it's own right, of course) and I do miss the Eastern Woods...

  • @StantonsJourneys
    @StantonsJourneys3 жыл бұрын

    That could have been a hallway for additional rooms or offices for the hotel. I always like to revisit places I have filmed or been to, never know what you are going find the next time around. Thank you for sharing.

  • @martyjones9374
    @martyjones93743 жыл бұрын

    Hi Cliff catching up with you. This was amazing & beautiful!! Would love walking that everyday. Hope you got some rest you did look tired. Appreciate all you do for us. Take good care.🥰

  • @norushinlife6578
    @norushinlife65783 жыл бұрын

    wow....how cool would it be to see the photo's if Any of this place when it was still a village. I googled it and all I can find is a few other videos of what u had filmed which I wll have to watched....LOVED THIS VIDEO!....thanks for the share

  • @mikesweeney7190
    @mikesweeney71903 жыл бұрын

    Again thanks Mr.C. Enjoyed.

  • @WildHuntRH
    @WildHuntRH3 жыл бұрын

    I can't thank you enough for getting me hip to S.G.L. 211, I put a lot of miles in up and around there this summer and it's helped keep me sane during dark times. Overnight-ed on the AT up in Yellow springs last week. Hope to cross trails with you eventually! Stay safe and take good care of yourself!

  • @davida.heffley4474

    @davida.heffley4474

    3 жыл бұрын

    I hunted SGL 211 with my boys several times in the last. Such an enchanting place. Sor th the efforts to get back in there. It is definatly back in.

  • @nickmad887
    @nickmad8873 жыл бұрын

    great video Cliff Thanks

  • @sylviasnyder6751
    @sylviasnyder67513 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for posting. I live in PA and used to love treks like this, but now I am too old to do the hiking myself. Love the history of this area.

  • @dawnfrye4343
    @dawnfrye43433 жыл бұрын

    Beautiful looks like a place we need to visit. I’m not familiar with the town but I grew up in my early years in Lebanon, my Dad was the manager of Lebanon Village in the 70’s

  • @lynfl9814
    @lynfl98143 жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed this. I live in Florida now; but, I am a long time PA girl. I never got to this old ruins; but, what a lovely walk, forest and interesting history. I lived in Lehigh County most of my life. Lebanon County is two counties to the west of where I lived. Nice video, nice to refresh my memory for how beautiful PA is.

  • @mikespringer7894
    @mikespringer78943 жыл бұрын

    Man so cool love hearing about places like this

  • @karenpacker8862
    @karenpacker88623 жыл бұрын

    Interesting story and beautiful area.

  • @rosiegirl2485
    @rosiegirl24853 жыл бұрын

    It feels like the Mayan ruins! I just love these places...thank you!

  • @Danosauruscrecks
    @Danosauruscrecks3 жыл бұрын

    There's a lot of places like this in pa is fun to find them

  • @cindybrian5589

    @cindybrian5589

    3 жыл бұрын

    we are going to gettysburg in april. aný of these places around there

  • @Danosauruscrecks

    @Danosauruscrecks

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@cindybrian5589 tons, so much history form there, lots of civil war stuff, and not just pa history but a lot of American history as well

  • @_xxjasterxx_
    @_xxjasterxx_3 жыл бұрын

    great place I live 10 mins down the road from this place

  • @patriciawilson5950
    @patriciawilson59502 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for taking me along. No one I know shares my interest in abandoned places and history, although my son will take me to places, I know his heart is not in it. He is just being kind. I'm old now and can no longer hike due to COPD. So thank you. I would never had had the opportunity to see these places especially with someone else who is so interested in them.

  • @katiedepietro6070
    @katiedepietro60703 жыл бұрын

    Awesome Video Thank you

  • @Warren_Farms
    @Warren_Farms3 жыл бұрын

    can never get enough of Cold Springs

  • @aron1632
    @aron16323 жыл бұрын

    Those stone pillars are absolutely gorgeous.😍

  • @gigicostlow4414
    @gigicostlow44143 жыл бұрын

    I heard the katydid towards the beginning and thought that was one late katydid. They are my fave insect. Takes me back to when I was a kid and we'd visit my grandparents in rural AL. The katydids would be calling while we sat on the porch in the evening and they would lull me to sleep when I went to bed. They still do if I have the windows open. I have even recorded them so I can hear them during the winter. Great explore. It was a YMCA boys camp for a while until mortar shells got a little too close. Thanks for another awesome learning experience.

  • @ellie..bell10
    @ellie..bell103 жыл бұрын

    A tour bus caught fire down at the base Cold Springs Rd which the driver accessed from 2nd Mountain at Hawk Watch. The bus driver which was hauling a guard unit around the base during an AT said he got lost and ended up down at Stony Creek. On his way down he must have bottomed out and caught the bus on fire from the large rocks that were sticking up. After much effort weeks later the bus was cut in half and removed via the railroad bed. I remember so well!

  • @lesaanderson2525
    @lesaanderson25253 жыл бұрын

    Great video Cliff

  • @neitajames6029
    @neitajames60293 жыл бұрын

    No harm in revisiting some of the places you have been. True you always find something you didn't see the first time.. Days are getting shorter. I always enjoy your videos.. Why lot people say Pennsylvania haunted? Never show proof. Just because a place is abandoned don't mean its haunted.. Is all that protected land. There's so much land yet people want to move to Alaska, live off the grid. Seem the government could make a deal where there once was old towns, buildings that's now overgrown, yet peaceful and serene. I'd live there.like our ancestors did. Grow food plant fruit and but trees. They had wells.. Sometimes I wished I could go back in time, see how things looked back then. I'd like to be a time traveler, when the noise and things got to be a bit much. Just travel back to a simpler place in time. But then I might not want to come back.. Thanks for another interesting video. I see why you like revisiting some these places. I'm a simple person. Don't ask for much and not hard to please. Take care, be safe. Love, respect, and positivity always. Neita James.:-)

  • @porkturtle8321

    @porkturtle8321

    2 жыл бұрын

    People say 'haunted' in the comments about as much as "This would be a good place for metal detecting" and "That place must have been grand back in the day". I don't get it.

  • @donnasilver940
    @donnasilver9403 ай бұрын

    Beautiful area

  • @lukeyznaga7627
    @lukeyznaga76273 жыл бұрын

    local history is so important. the past is filled with many lost towns.

  • @aimeepulliam1755
    @aimeepulliam17553 жыл бұрын

    So peaceful❤

  • @gladyrose21
    @gladyrose213 жыл бұрын

    Great video and glad you when back there I just find your video today I got interested in this place that I ask my husband if we can go and check that out and we did. We are about 1 hour away. I have to tell you guys this is and amazing place just like you described and I agree with you is rejuvenate and the air is so pure it took me back to my childhood growing up in the mountains ⛰ over sea. If anyone one leave close by I recommend is beautiful there me and my husband enjoyed and thinking to go back and bring the kids with us. Thanks so much for doing this videos.

  • @dave3156
    @dave31563 жыл бұрын

    You were listening to Retreat at the military installation. I like the Cabella's hat!!!

  • @trishg2885
    @trishg28853 жыл бұрын

    So much cool history that most people dont even know about..love your videos..Im from johnstown PA..I never knew until like a year ago there was an old mine on the hill behind the incline plane that there was an explosion in in the early 1900s and 112 guys got killed..It was called the Rolling mill mine. You can take a trail up to see a little bit of the opening but they have it fenced off..you cant get inside.

  • @nobillclinton
    @nobillclinton3 жыл бұрын

    beauteous, woodsman. . .

  • @JojoCrazyCat
    @JojoCrazyCat3 жыл бұрын

    Wow, that place rotted away fast.

  • @razorransom1795

    @razorransom1795

    3 жыл бұрын

    That or it was burned and torn down to keep the condemed building from posing hiker hazards. West Winfield had a similar fate.

  • @bodyeuphoria8841
    @bodyeuphoria88413 жыл бұрын

    Nice Watkins Glen T

  • @jeanmotter5441
    @jeanmotter54413 жыл бұрын

    I'm from the Colonial Park area & when I was around 10 or 11 my dad took me up a mountain trail & when we got to the one place there was a small stream running down the mountain. There was a tree that had a metal ladle hanging from a nail so you could get a drink. That was the best water I ever had & now I'm 68!

  • @SamhainBe
    @SamhainBe3 жыл бұрын

    Great video!

  • @carolb29
    @carolb293 жыл бұрын

    the sound on your new camera is great!

  • @QuestForDetails
    @QuestForDetails3 жыл бұрын

    perfect falling leaves !!

  • @robertvirtue8070
    @robertvirtue80703 жыл бұрын

    The long building might have been a stable for the horses and carriages, would had been maybe a bakery, laundry and storage buildings.

  • @beverlykennedy126
    @beverlykennedy1263 жыл бұрын

    A beautiful woods for sure just be careful the boogie man doesn’t get you. I hear it’s a Bigfoot hangout also just be on the look out. Love your channel

  • @abiewaltz1209
    @abiewaltz12093 жыл бұрын

    My husband is in the military and often goes to the gap.. we will be taking a trip to go see this!

  • @MjC7192
    @MjC71923 жыл бұрын

    I went to school right down the street (Carson Long) and we also used to go to a place around there we called the fossil cliffs

  • @davidb.3786
    @davidb.37863 жыл бұрын

    Evening colors is the military music you were hearing.

  • @brewcrew5854
    @brewcrew58543 жыл бұрын

    sortta just a bit reminds me of the corpsewood manor site. im sure u know more about that story then i fun tour thx 4 effort !

  • @anotherdave5107
    @anotherdave51073 жыл бұрын

    Watch out for uncovered wells!

  • @anotherdave5107

    @anotherdave5107

    3 жыл бұрын

    Seen wells in abandoned villages where the covers have rotted away and were deep enough that a flash on the camera didn't show the bottom. Exploring by yourself can be deadly!

  • @steveyates3032
    @steveyates30323 жыл бұрын

    i wonder if any one back then had a vision of a man setting on there steps in a orange hat lol

  • @robertking288
    @robertking2883 жыл бұрын

    That music you were hearing was the lowering of the flag you hear that in military installations around 5pm when they lowered the flag for the day it was a signal for the service men to stop whatever they were doing to face the flag come to attention and salute the flag as it was being lowered its a common every day occurrence at military installations. I know by experience of being one of them in the past.

  • @IratePuffin

    @IratePuffin

    3 жыл бұрын

    Yep, retreat.

  • @theearthisfallingtheskyisl4801
    @theearthisfallingtheskyisl48013 жыл бұрын

    Wow, accidentally found and Subscribed, I'm from Pennsylvania, I Fish these kind of hike in places from Kayak

  • @oldgoat1890
    @oldgoat18903 жыл бұрын

    I have hunted this one SGL for years and have found a sidewalk in the brush near a small spring. It is really brushed over and you have to find it by accident. Maybe a quarter mile away along the creek is another site that was an old farm. There is a steep bank going down to the creek. Up near the top is an old well filled in with junk. Next to that is a root cellar dug into the bank. It is lined with stone and whitewashed. It has been a while since I was back there so I do not remember if it was plastered or not. It looks really good yet inside. You have to get into the brush to find it. So I am guessing there was at least two farms on that SGL at one time.

  • @brendachernich6411
    @brendachernich64113 жыл бұрын

    The train station is in the basement of the historical museum in Lebanon city

  • @daveyjoweaver5183
    @daveyjoweaver51833 жыл бұрын

    A Beautiful place WW and Thanks Kindly for taking us along! My Grandparents used to talk about riding the train and trolleys to visit Mt. Great for the day. How nice it would be to hop on a train or trolley and enjoy the day in a beautiful place. One can imagine the grand city ladies strolling about. Quite a different time with a whole different set of concerns and worries. But basically human worries are the same in and era. Ups and downs, joys and sorrows in relationships, births and passings and Love of friends and families. It is the human experience. We learn most from the failures rather than the best times. But all in all this gift of life, of each other and the joys of our Beautiful Mother Earth is the true wealth that is so far from gold and silver! Being in Nature is healing and brings us back into balance in a tipsy world. We all are Nature ourselves after all! And just as those fancy ladies from the city that summered there not just for the cooler weather only but for the peace and balance they sought as well. Peace and Joy of Spirit WW! DaveyJO