Updated notes: 1. Adding timestamps 2. Shield can ricochet, the blue effect is separate and disjointed from the actual projectile. Ricochets can deal damage. 3. Ricochets can ricochet off a second shield

@matthew-005

3 ай бұрын

I wonder if you could have your mates shoot your shield to bounce bullets around corners?

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

@@matthew-005 you definitely could.

@Zodiak747

2 ай бұрын

Me also have some thoughs... I like yours so I will share mine. Recoiless rifle support backpack should be worn by a person who uses recoiless rifle. Anyone who want to support loading should be able to do it using a backpack on a rifle carrier. It would be even more realistic. Have a look now that even animation currently is wrong. I suggest to change it to make gameplay mlre directed to co operation and be more realistic.

I wanna slide on the shield. Just lemme run around, get into a desperate situation and pull out my MG. Oh no, grenade! Dive backwards! Hit a decline, and slide down a hill into the hordes of enemies with the shield on my back holding down the trigger, letting Liberty guide my bullets.

@sicksock435446

3 ай бұрын

omg adding a slide to the dive would be amazing. Imagine sledding down a hill being chased by a bile titan...

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

SLEDDING IN THE SPACE WAR sounds fabulous.

@every1elsebutme

3 ай бұрын

This is the greatest idea. Yes. If you dive with the shield, you should absolutely slide with it. Fuck yes.

@awesomesauce5974

3 ай бұрын

@@every1elsebutme Snowball fights and sledding on Fenrir 3 sounds like fun

@spiggityspoo756

3 ай бұрын

Surf on the shield like Legolas, mow down the bug/bot menace with your bow in hand and wind in your glorious hair!

“Bots just can’t touch him.” *Gets slammed dunked into a nearby container by explosives*

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Truely untouchable

@StarryRemnant

3 ай бұрын

Such great defense just like Neo Mettaton

@whatevermanh7657

3 ай бұрын

straight into a coffin

I think the team-weapon mechanic would be amazing with a shield no to lock them together, but to let an ally brace over your shoulder. Just think: they come up to your back while your shield is raised, hit Interact, and they put a hand on your shoulder to move with you and fire over you with increased stability, while eliminating the risk of domeing you in the back of the head. Just like SWAT does it.

@NameIsDoc

3 ай бұрын

Ooo that would be so fun especially with some special weapons.

@grimgrahamch.4157

3 ай бұрын

That would be so amazing. It reminds me of Army of Two.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Imagine a third guy walking up to the second guy to load him

@roguerex292

3 ай бұрын

I would like maybe a verification of this or an upgrade where u can press a button and it turns into a big wall u can walk forward with with a hp bar.

@Gebsfrom404

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk Now, we are the tank.

They could have made it so the shield just protects from projectiles from a certain angle. But they went out of their way to make it something that can be interacted with properly. Seriously impressive.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I thought so too! Pretty wild really.

the shield would be why more versatile if you could deploy it and it came in a 2 pack like the expendable anti-tank

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

That would be fun. Also let me clamshell myself.

@thehoodedteddy1335

3 ай бұрын

Also blocking melee would make it infinitely more useful on bug planets where it is almost entirely useless

@TankHunter678

3 ай бұрын

@@thehoodedteddy1335It actually does block melee, specifically melee coming from the front left side of the body gets blocked, attacks from the right go through. If it is on your back it blocks back attacks.

@LDillon

3 ай бұрын

@@TankHunter678But he tested it in this video and it didn't block the melee attacks?

@konigstiger8518

3 ай бұрын

@@LDillon bro didn't watch the video 💀💀

So the difference in damage comes from the fact that enemies can crit. headshots effect you more than body shots. My major gripe with the shield is that it falls out of your hands. If theyre going to make it fall out of your hands, they should make it capable of tanking at least one explosion, if not heavily reducing the damage.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

The crit and headshot thing feels pretty bad to be honest. I agree about the drop thing, forgot to mention it. But I've made suggestions in other places about that.

@wyn9693

3 ай бұрын

Honestly one of the things I was thinking would make the shield usable when I saw it in the shop was being able to get away with grenading quite close where it would mitigate more of the blast

A good point. the Liberators should be allowed to be fired "one handed" when shields are up. The SMG can keep its fire while running trait to keep distinguishing them.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

That would make the shield more versatile for sure (and thus more fun)

@themarlboromandalorian

3 ай бұрын

I agree. Liberators are already bullpups.

@sarbe6625

3 ай бұрын

And making one handed weapons not get a penalty to accuracy while any two handed weapon does should probably be in there aswell. Just to make that synergy of the one handed weapon+shield stand out a bit more.

@AWACS_Snowblind

3 ай бұрын

I would ordinarily agree with this if the Defender wasn't just a better, direct upgrade to the Liberator in this game. Good thing they're bringing back more assault rifles.

@sarbe6625

3 ай бұрын

@@AWACS_Snowblind If you'd look beyond just the raw stats it would become apparent quite quickly that the Liberator and Defender are both equally effective weapons that simply operate better in different situations. I recommend Defender for Bugs and Liberator for Bots

The #1 change I'd love to see to the riot shield is making it so it doesnt drop when you get exploded on. If that change was made x10 more people would use it in bot missions since the personal shield increases your hitbox

@Zman14888

3 ай бұрын

This. It's not just when you get exploded either. It's when you get ragdolled for any reason. Dived towards some ground that was slightly too far below you? Dropped. Dived against a wall? Dropped. Teammate melee bashed you for a laugh? Dropped. This single mechanic makes the ballistic shield completely unusable for me.

@jrockoclock7088

3 ай бұрын

yeah or frankly put it on a short cooldown like the eats and it would solve the problem fairly well and should be easier to implement. I get frustrated when I use it because i'll get lightly tipped over by the edge of a blast and then run back to cover, all of a sudden 2 minutes later I realize I lost my shield at some point and it's still got minutes left on the cooldown. Also it would give it some extra value because over time you could equip your team if they didn't bring a backpack or lost theirs and it's on long cooldown. That and it should really block mêlée and mitigate some explosive damage but I'm not sure how they model explosive damage so that might be tricky to deal with (although armor says it does it so idk why that couldn't be applied to the shield itself).

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I would really like that as well, forgot to mention it.

@DonCarver.

3 ай бұрын

I’m against it. I actually think they’ve done a real good job with this. Made it so that it’s close to realistic as possible. You try holding on to a shield whilst being rag dolled 10-20ft away I guarantee you you’ll drop it.

@Zman14888

3 ай бұрын

@DonCarver. Realism isn't indicative of good game mechanics. Nothing else in this game follows this logic, why does the ballistic shield need to suffer an unnecessary penalty when it's already worse than any other stratagems that share the same slot?

Fun strats i've found with the shield equipping your 3rd weapon to put it on your back as you dive letting you turtle a little. Useful to buy more time to line up shots with the rail gun or the Anti material rifle keeping it on your back at terminals. Aggroing the main force of gun bots for your teammates to flank them or focus down bigger dangers. The only things you should worry about are flamers, rocket raiders, rocket devestators, and the assult melee units. Everything else is childsplay (also for some reason the shield works on the tounge and when crouched can be used on bile but you really shouldn't use the shield with the bugs) Recommended weapons - Defender (especially with burst fire), Senator, Redeemer Recommended support weapons - Expendable anti tank , anti material rifle, railgun, arc thrower, Recommended armors, Any armor with Scout, Servos, or Explosion resistance.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

This comment is full of nice little ideas and techniques. A few of which I've used myself. I'll pin it.

@NameIsDoc

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk thank you. I've become a bit of a shield guy on the bot side of the war. As long as you can keep from being surrounded and keep an eye out for those eliminators. you'll find yourself to be quite formidable. It's given me bad bot habits due to how effective it can be. That said current patch has a bug with shield breaking its animations. If you heal, emote, pick up any non essential items, or pick up samples you will glitch. This glitch opens your arms up like carrying an artillery shell, the shield ether being on your back or on the back of your arm. You will be unable to block or fire until you switch weapons. Instead you will be stuck in this "punch me in the face" pose.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I was suspicious that that wasn't just a me problem. Seems like some weird camera and animation bugs showed up this patch. Bummer. @@NameIsDoc

@jjrobledo24

3 ай бұрын

I like that if you get knocked down, you drop your shield and have to pick it back up. Even when you're prone, you can see how the player compensates with the shield in hand. Absolutely amazing.

@lukewei

3 ай бұрын

The ballistic shield should allow two handed weapon usage, kinda like a turret, it itself has already limited use compared to other backpacks you can take, and at higher levels, its more of a running game. So adding this small feature will not make it OP, but might see more of it deployed

They should tweak the shield for sure. There's literally no reason to use it over the shield generator backpack since that does the mitigation part way better. It doesn't slow you down, blocks all damage types and it covers all angles instead of just head on. Giving the shield more options for weapons, removing the hitbox hole in the viewport (just say it's futuristic bulletproof glass that won't even crack), blocking melee like you said (at least from the smaller units) and fixing the leg clipping would give it a bit of a bump. I would also argue a small hidden explosive resistance buff while actively blocking with it would do it good, since it could stack and combo well with heavy armor. That way you could act as the "tank" of the group, trying to draw as much small arms fire as possible when dealing with bots. It won't make it good against explosives since you'll ragdoll anyway, it will just make it a bit less punishing if you happen to get hit by a rocket you didn't see.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Everything you said here i agree with. I'd love to see some improvements to it.

I'd say the formula still holds up well enough, considering the lack of proper testing ability we have for this game. The little jokes sprinkled around were great for keeping the tone lighthearted too, hope you keep including them. Good to see all the server's findings and testing thrown together in one video.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

It was more challenging than I expected and I'll probably have to work on the formula. Plus, given its a shield, I think I missed a few things in the crafting process.

The Ballistic Shield is a fun thing to have. But I wish that instead of getting deleted by rockets with the shield it would instead save you but at the cost of the shield breaking :(

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thats an excellent idea

@AlamoTurtle

3 ай бұрын

If blocking an explosive resulted in both the shield breaking and your left arm breaking from the force, that would be hilarious.

@YourCrazyDolphin

3 ай бұрын

It doesn't actually get deleted, you just drop it on the ground whenever you ragdoll.

@WhatIsSanity

2 ай бұрын

@@AlamoTurtle Hilarious and realistic! Granted with the new armour improvements I can take a direct hit without dying when using the explosive resistance armour, probably even more so when using a ballistic shield. OP your prayers have been answered! ^-^

@brownbuttbaby

2 ай бұрын

Go hold up a potlid and have your friend take a baseball bat with no breaks to it. You'll still feel 80%+ of that strike. Same idea with explosives. maybe it if also obliterated your arm in the process of breaking the shield then maybe

The ready or not cops need to give the helldivers a shield lesson, the ballistic shield in that game is an actual beast

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thats a thumbs up from me.

@Glenn138horror

3 ай бұрын

Until you're blinded by the damage to the porthole.

Thank you Finally a content creator who is testing the game and its items to its limits and come with great idea to make them more fun and interesting. I seen some other content creator who are really disappointing and bad at explaining the the good side and bad side of stratagems how i can tell cause i always testing in game and making new builds constantly and seeing them mislead other people on an actually good support weapon and discourage them to try new stuff or goof around and find out if it works

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Hey! I'm glad you found me then. This is how I like to operate. You should also check out Cashcrop_ if thats your jam. He's very rigerous.

@killallseagulls

3 ай бұрын

Once those new heavy armours come out I’m gonna be shouting “BULLDOZER TIME!” Into my mic whilst rocking a shield, especially with that new FS-55 Devastator armour

@SleepyCapy

3 ай бұрын

@@killallseagulls finally some one who knows their payday 2, also I have the fortified commando armour, LITERALLY A BULLDOZER NOW!!

@killallseagulls

3 ай бұрын

@@SleepyCapy same here!

Honestly for me the biggest change needs to be that the shield doesn't drop on ragdoll. It's already taking up a backpack slot. Even now it feels inferior to the shield backpack, utility wise. In my Opinion the balance should be: Shield Pack > Blocks all direction attacks, cooldown on too much damage, you can use heavy weapons (FLANK/SPEED ORIENTED) Ballistic Shield > Mitigates Directional Attacks and breaks at some point + One Handed Weapons (TANK FACING ENEMIES)

@TheStickofWar

3 ай бұрын

There is no need for it to break, it is already taking up a backpack spot and only allowing you one handed weapons PLUS direction based blocking.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Agreed. I think that's the proper structure.

@idofx8722

3 ай бұрын

I believe in allowing users to block small to medium sized enemy melees. Chargers wouldn’t make sense, same for bile titans and hulks/tanks. I’m on the fence about it being able to block spewers, but generally I think it is reasonable to do so since spewers have large spread to their attacks and the shield isn’t covering you on all sides like the shield pack.

@idofx8722

3 ай бұрын

Alternatively, you could have the shield break or nearly break from explosions or charger advances and negate the damage done to the player by 50%. Larger weaponry like tank shots or danger close stratagems should one shot the shield but allow the player to barely survive from full health as long as the shield itself takes the hit.

Holy wow, two of my favorite Darktide creators are playing Helldivers 2 and together?? This is great!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad Cashcrop_ is here because testing without him would be so hard lol. He's a great dude.

I love your shield change ideas at the end. All were things I was hoping for.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Glad you like them! I'm sure there are other good changes too I missed or didn't think of., like not dropping the shield on every ragdoll would be good.

This is one of the best kit reviews for this game so far. Really appreciate all the testing. I'm willing the shield into meta from how cool it looks when your diver is running around with it

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Its certainly good against bots even up until tier 9. So I hope it gets some minor enhancements and heavy armor becomes better so you can really tank with it. Thanks a bunch for the compliment on my review! It means a lot.

I'm really glad I joined the community just as it started doing really in-depth mechanics stuff. Look forward to see more! I'd love to see stuff about the LAS Scythe

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I'll put the scythe in the backlog. I got something amusing in the pipe right now.

Currently has a hilarious bug where when you pick up anything,( samples, ammo, etc...) it thinks you are picking up an explosive barrel so your just standing there with your hands in the funniest spot until you swap weapons

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I love that bug. Try diving and looking up when active.

@YourCrazyDolphin

3 ай бұрын

It activates on stims too, which is less fun as you're usually using those while being shot at, and suddenly going into a T-pose really doesn't help: both stops you from aiming (the bullets actually do come from the gun's model) and exposes your entire front.

I love the shield, but I do think it needs a few buffs. Slap some ballistic glass in the viewing slot and a safety strap for the arm so you don't get shot in the face and it doesn't fly off of you when you ragdoll. Let it block melee attacks, and I'd also say let it block, or at least mitigate spray attacks from the front. That way it can be used against bugs, not just cyborgs. I also say change its melee attack to where instead of using the gun, you hit with the shield. Same damage, but you get to knock back smaller enemies. (unless the bayonets from the first game come back, then let us stab forward like a Roman Legionnaire!) Overall its a good tool and fun to use, but it could be better. Good, not great. Needs a buff, even if just a few small ones here and there. Oh, and yes, team weapon sync-up. Let my squadmate latch on to me for mobile cover like this is Army of Two. I don't think they'll allow primary usage with the shield, but they have been adding more things from the first Helldivers, and that game featured a single-handed laser smg, a shotgun, a flamethrower, and a plasma launcher, on top of an extra smg that we don't have in this game yet called the ninja that was surpressed. With more secondaries coming, I imagine the weapon variety for the ballistic shield will increase. Keep it to secondaries and specific primaries, so that way it can still fit into the developer's philosophy of weapon design. Maybe make a specialized version of the liberator that has less damage and no zooming optics, but is lighter and can be one-handed. The patriot variant of the liberator from the first game would work well for that if it returns. Overall, I think they need to lean in to specializing the shield play style more. They just need to develop the shield play style further to really help it shine the best it can in this game. Still fun, just needs a bit more to it.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I fully agree. Itd just be fun to do something different than standard and be tanky while doing it. A few buffs and a little tech and off we go

Placing the shield should 100% be a feature, but also make it a bit bigger and give more "HP" before it breaks. Spit balling some ideas: 1.) Adding an energy pulse to it, as a way to "Force push" enemies who get to close. 2.) Adding a Kinetic energy module to the shield so it absorbs incoming ballistic damage and shoots out a burst of energy after it absorbs enough. 3.) Add new mechanic to game where if diving with shield, you use it like a surf board and slide down slopes. (Crash damage into enemies for bonus) 4.) Add melee damage mitigation (60%) to the shield, and pair it with a "Limb Liberator" (One handed sword) that is effective against light armored targets. (Swinging drains stamina) 5.) Allow for the shield to be raise over the hell divers head to take cover from ballistic based stratagems and from attacks coming from elevated positions.

Good stuff, thank you. Nice to have the no BS confirmation that the Ballistic Shield is, ultimately, useless in melee (when it REALLY shouldn't be). If they don't ever intend for the Shield to help with melee defense, perhaps they could compromise and give an improved melee attack with bigger hitbox and pushback but less damage or something to it.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Something like that would be good. A nice AOE shove wouldn't be bad either.

@dannynguyen652

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I was really hoping it would be useful to protect myself from stalker and hunter attacks from behind while reloading. Well, here's to hoping they make melee attacks properly collide and get stopped by the shield

@thant0s

3 ай бұрын

@@dannynguyen652 Right? And they already have the system in-game where the shield takes damage and breaks apart from explosives, if they're so concerned with balance, they can just make that happen with sufficiently powerful melee, and give us a reason to call down another.

Small correction: the "warrior" you used for testing was a Brood Commander. The warriors are the smaller versions of that one. Scavengers (the smallest kind with no wings) are pretty consistent as they only use one attack.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the correction and advice. I'll try them for future tests.

@Sophie-Pilled

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk in case you didnt already know, you can always ping enemies, which will reveal their names when you look at the ping

@YourCrazyDolphin

3 ай бұрын

Although apparently for the purposes of the shotgun achievement they qualify as warriors.

@mickeymute334

3 ай бұрын

@@YourCrazyDolphin that's interesting. I'm guessing that's either a bug with the code or an incorrectly written achievement.

@YourCrazyDolphin

3 ай бұрын

@@mickeymute334 They might just be classified as a variant of warriors in the files too. They use the same model and AI, just better numbers. For the purposes of the achievement of killing one point blank it may as well count seeing as to how it'd harder to do with a brood commander anyways!

I've been considering picking up the ballistic shield just to try it out, so I'm glad to have this information to plan around!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Hopefully you at least had fun with it!

Glad to see a video about the shield! It was always my go to option, together with the defender against bots! It's SUPER useful.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I think its pretty good, even if its no energy shield it has its moments.

Putting in the work to truly test out our gadgets. Lady Liberty bless you!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

It was a lot of fun!

I like your shield deployment and shield wall suggestions I can definitely get behind those. When they introduce swords I hope they can be used in tandem with the shield.

@icouldntthinkofanaccountna1792

3 ай бұрын

Yes! Let us run around like Knights Arrowhead, It fits the setting perfectly!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I see what you did there ;^)

Man...this was a really fun test.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I think we both had a blast. Thanks again for the help!

I would sooooooo love if the shield could be emplaced and if you could lock multiple together. That would be so dope and it would be a genuinely useful stratagem/equipment, because we have no existing way of creating solid cover

One thing of note with this tool: you can, and likely should, put the shield on your back for purposes of rapid retreating by swapping to a two handed weapon. This puts the hitbox onto your back, which protects you from fire in that direction. I also wish there was an option to manually put the shield on your back while using a one handed weapon, especially for the revolver. First person aiming with the shield is pointless, and you can't get precision at long ranges without standing still or lying down as is.

Remember the shield in Gears of War? They could be stuck into the ground. Absolutely sick.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I actually don't. I should look that up.

@stonwall9065

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk You could run with it. But when you’d crouch or stick it into the ground, it would deploy outwards, doubling its surface area for the solider to take cover behind it, like a solid obstacle.

I love the ballistic shield, firstly it looks sick as fuck when youre running with the smg, and its invaluable to take some of the heat off of your friends with their support weapons as you distract bots and their gunfire, or even just to have something different from the shield pack. Portable cover is great, but this shield needs support from railguns, rocket launchers etcetera, but the idea of the game is to have a team that is complementing eachothers loadouts

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I really like it as well. I kinda think it will go extremely well pouring out of the APC we've seen leaks of.

Amazing analysis, and i completely echo your comments about ideas for making the shield better. Im totally fine with getting more downsides with other weapons that make sense to work with a shield because there are so many bullpups!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

A few changes to armor and shield and it could be awesome

great editing, best hd youtubers ive watched so far

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks very much! I make an effort to cut for brevity and clarity. I'm glad to hear its well recieved.

youre very well-spoken. cool video !

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! I do appreciate the compliment. Have an awesome week and victorious dives.

The shield does absorb some of the damage from spewer bug attacks. I've noticed it more when running away with it equipped on your back. The associated slow effect will still hit you though. You'll notice it when you have it on your back and running from hunters as well. The damage from a hunter tongue attack will sometimes get absorbed by the shield but the slow will still hit you. I think melee attacks shown in the video at close range bypass the shield because the hurtbox of their attacks clip through the shield model and intersect with your character model. An update to the shield would need melee attacks to deflect off the shield properly, causing a stun or interrupt on the enemy. But that would probably force the devs to classify different types of enemy melee damage into, minor, normal and unblockable hits.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I mean, if darktide can do it Arrowhead can!

excellent vid. I love the shield.. love you final thoughts to improve as well. I'm sure devs will buff it to take melee attacks. Planting it in the ground would be cool! Not sure about the Shield wall tho, lol - but would be fun to try!

Good job on testing stuff for us! Appreciate it!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Happy to do it! Thanks for coming by.

The Ballistic shield inconsistently blocks one damage type from one faction from either the front or back and you are forced to use 1 handed weapons. The Shield generator gives you an additional call of duty health bar that blocks everything, has shield gating and you can use all weapons. The shield generator is a straight, no brainer upgrade to the ballistic shield. They would have to do something wild with the ballistic shield to even compete with the shield generator.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, that's kinda why I made this video to be honest.

@legendaryzan1100

3 ай бұрын

Ive used the shield quite extensively in both bugs and bots and my take-away is that the shield reduces damage less effectively but more frequently compared to the shield generator at the additional cost of limiting weapon choices, depending on whats around for a given mission (mainly spitter types for bugs) the ballistic can be quite good

@MossoDaBanana

3 ай бұрын

ok, but don't forget the cons of the shield generator, it's not a cod health because it only restores when it's depleted, but also, the area of which bullet's can hit you increase dramatically, meaning, a lot more shot's that would not hit you, do. Against bugs it's a no brainer, but against bots... i'll just say this, i've been dying a lot less after making the switch.

The shield not being usable as deployable cover seems like such an oversight. No one is going to give up their primary weapon just for some inconsistent protection from a fraction of the damage types being thrown at you. Especially when the shield generator exists

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely accurate

@maskettaman1488

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk Fantastic video(s) btw! Love how in-depth and well presented everything is. It's obvious an insane amount of effort goes in to each one and it's very much appreciated

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

@@maskettaman1488 Thanks so much! I do my best to ask a question and then arrive at the right answer. I hope that comes across.

appreciate the helldivers content :D

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for swinging by to check it out!

Fantastic vid, i learned ALOT even in the first 3 mins

@Reginald-sc9tk

2 ай бұрын

Thanks very much! I'm looking forwards to doing more to achieve even better delivery and detail.

I wish the shield could be used as a melee weapon so you do more damage or at least knock back the enemies a bit more than a standard melee attack.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I wish the same

someone get this man a helldivers sponsorship

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Lol thanks, I'm sure that'd be cool.

I’ve always liked your more analytical and data-oriented approach to exploring weapons in DT, so I’m really excited to see HD2 be analyzed under the same eye! Even though I’ve not had the chance to get the game for myself (curse you college midterms! 😭), I’m always fascinated by some juicy variety in both enemies and usable weapons/skills, and I’m hoping that this sort of testing will reveal some hidden gems and underrated weapons to give some other stuff a chance to be more viable in late game missions. I like railguns and shotguns as much as the next guy, but there is so much goodness to be found in a solid arsenal filled with anything from flamethrowers and recoilless rifles to tactical nukes and sentry turrets! I feel like the ballistic shield is the epitome of that, I love hefting a good slab of metal and running silly, off-meta picks, and your testing showed off some neat information that I didn’t know about it. I just hope that it gets a bit of TLC along with much of the rest of our arsenal, though hopefully further tests show that not everything is in as dire a state as some folks would have you believe. Also, I’m not super familiar with how the armor system works in this game, so it may be a dumb question. Does the shield (or armor in general) have a sort of “health bar” or maximum amount of damage it can sustain from non-penetrating hits, or will weak shots just bounce off endlessly? I feel like if you’re going for a long, grueling mission against the bot menace, it would be useful to know for certain that your shield isn’t gonna fail on you in the middle of tanking a Star Wars movie’s worth of blaster fire. Same applies for shooting enemy armor, are you just straight up not penetrating armor ever without strong enough weapons, or can you theoretically break a Charger’s leg with an automaton-tickler shotgun flicking enough grains of salt at it?

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Good luck with your studies! I'm happy to be here doing studies. Its fun. But its fair to say the depth isn't the same as DT weapons. I dunno how armor works yet and body armor is broken!

@spiggityspoo756

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk Thank you, and good luck with your studies as well! Though when you say body armor is broken, what do you mean by that? Is it safe to presume a video covering the topic might be on the way?

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Nah, others have covered it and there'll probably be a patch next week thursday that fixes it. Literally the armor values don't work on player armor. Heavy and Medium armor offer no additional protection. @@spiggityspoo756

Fantastic, exactly what I was looking for, and quick to the point. Ima sub

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks very much! I'm working on some other stuff in the same vein. I try to be concise where I can be.

can we get an updated video for the new shield changes? seems to be a much better choice now

@Reginald-sc9tk

2 ай бұрын

Its on the agenda.

@cultovcrows8142

2 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk good to hear, ill be waiting

i assume melee hits because the arms of the enemies clip through the same way the divers legs do, i doubt the devs are capable of making it block melee damage

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Nah it should be entirely possible for them to make it block melee. Its just a matter of effort and ease. Darktide does it. Same engine.

@skoomatroll

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk this is excellent news brother, i look forward to the knight build video when they add swords!

this was a great video, the impact grenade destroying the tank though was new and good information!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Absolutely! That one is huge. Learned it from Claysthetics

I laughed pretty good at the opening. Great bit!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks very much! Glad I got a good laugh out of it.

Remòve the melee protection from the shield genetator and add to the balistic

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thats a very strong idea actually

@GFlight.916

3 ай бұрын

That's how they work in Frank Herbert's Dune universe. And being that Shai Huluud has been teased in this game at some point, it would be appropriate.

@AngryBoozer

3 ай бұрын

@@GFlight.916If it worked like in Dune, it would nuke the area if it gets hit by a laser :)

@GFlight.916

3 ай бұрын

@@AngryBoozer that's exactly right. Not only that, but Helldivers would go blind if caught in any fallout from nukes.

11:14 Did you take out a tank with 2 nades? What kind of nades did you use?

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Impacts, works to the rear where the weakspot is.

Amazing video thanks for this also that collateral at 10:54 was killer 👌

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I love that I ragdolled under the mountain into that situation.

Excellent video. I had the same thoughts on use cases and melee.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I'm glad I'm not alone.

If only we had Chainaxes in HD2....

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

BRO; Don't make me salivate.

@spiggityspoo756

3 ай бұрын

I would take out a loan for this game if they had solid melee weapons and a fun system to use them, there’s nothing more epic than leaping off a rock spire to dive bomb a Bile Titan with a chain axe in one hand and a 500kg bomb strat in the other!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

That would solve my melee addiction problem. @@spiggityspoo756

@UltiM4L1C3

3 ай бұрын

Imma need that thunder hammer

My buffs - Ballistic Glass for the viewing slot - No Breakable. - Stick with you. Dont lose. - No Melee Damage when you hold It up

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Eliminate melee damage. Block all of it. Then yes.

Subbing for the know-your-equipment series, knowledge is the first step to spreading democracy!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Be advised, I am dropping a doozey of a tutorial tomorrow morning. Appreciate the sub! I hope you come visit again.

Exxellent suggestions! A shield wall would be sick! Definitely needs to block melee & be deployable. Slow shooting two-handed guns would also be fantastic. Thanks for these videos! Makes me want to actually use other equipment!

I stopped using it because of just how glitchy it is

Making the shield block melee attacks, but also let it be able to take 3 or 4 shots of rocket before breaking. But of course, when you get hit by a rocket with the shield up, you'll be blown back and onto the ground, take something like 25% health damage or your arm broken. Would allow you to work as a tank or a frontline unit, with only one handed weapons as option.

Nice to see a fellow ultrawide enjoyer.

@Reginald-sc9tk

Ай бұрын

Its so good tho

This is great, looking forward to more content like this

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks very much! I have another vid out and am working on two more.

Thanks for the tip. I’ve been having a real hard time at the Creek since we lost it there. This sheild seems to have better longevity at actually shielding you from fire than the shield backpack. It nice to see how you can apply these support items to enhance the gameplay. I wonder if you could do the shotgun rover next against bots. I find it lack luster at the moment.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I think its actually a liberator rover and I don't think its especially good right now. I'm doing a video that includes the scythe rover tomorrow.

Great vid, thanks! I think we'll have to see how it is when armor outfits are fixed. I've got this strange feeling that it's kinda not getting everything it's supposed at the moment, just like the heavier armors. It's just a feeling so we'll have to see. Like you said, I also want to see it block melee but I think it should also maybe block a single rocket or maybe reduce explosion damage to you. If the energy shield backpack can block the toughest melee attacks, charger rushes and face-tank a rocket, I think the ballistic version should offer a little more as well. I've also seen it block shots from my back while running away but it's not consistent. No doubt it's down to what you pointed out in that my legs and arms are flailing about around it.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

It does block shots while moving away on the back. Or even from the side when unwielded. You can see both in the Broll at various points. Its pretty handy. I hope it gets some improvements.

This is really neat. My brother got the revolver a while back and wants to make it work and just last night he took to the ballistic shield, but hasn't tried it with the revolver yet. Ha ha! I'm excited to see what he does with this information.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Something I forgot to include for the revolver is make sure you have Per Weapon memory for FPV or TPV enabled in settings. Shield FPV operates off the laser and the revolver doesn't have one. I still prefer it for shield use due to long range application.

this was a great vid, looking forward to more

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks very much! Should have a few more soon.

Totally agree with your ideas on how to "buff" the shield

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much! Hopefully they find their way to the devs

Great breakdown!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I'm quite pleased you enjoyed it!

Good work, Helldiver.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thank you, my life for super earth.

Good vid 👌 Shield buff would be very funny

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I hope we see a buff! Thanks much!

Well researched. Subbed.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks very much! I hope to improve my formula for delivering info better in the next one.

This is great. I love all the points you made, especially that the shield should block or at least mitigate some melee damage. I think the reason it doesn't is because the enemy hurtbox goes through the shield object and touches the player hitbox anyway (similar to how you can melee your buddy if they are stuck in the ground.) I don't know how they would be able to fix this. maybe if a melee hurtbox touches the shield it multiplies the damage by 0.5 or something. IDK how their game is programmed but hopefully they can figure it out.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Darktide has a whole melee system that handles this for blocking with shields so I'm sure it can be handled.

Being able to set up a phalanx/group cover situation would be cool

The idea of being able to lock step with other shields is a cool idea. I think it would also be cool if another non-shield player could lock in behind the shield player, similar to assisted reload stance, and just move behind the shield bearer for cover while they use their bigger gun. Being able to deploy the shield on the ground is an awesome idea as well!

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thats a very good idea too.

Thry should add a little castle as a strategem Like MAYBE a smaller than normal turret but basically just a little panic room with a door and an upstairs balcony to shoot down from

@Reginald-sc9tk

2 ай бұрын

That would be very fun.

The crew serve function would be cool for locking shields together, true. But being able to sort of magnetize to a friend's back while they're crouched with the shield and shoot over them and stay behind them would be cool.

@Reginald-sc9tk

2 ай бұрын

Why not both?

@GenericMedic

2 ай бұрын

Both is good.

Great vid mate

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Much appreciated!

Normally I have a good suggestion for criticisms but I don't really have anything for the ballistics shield. I guess I would just say make it bigger/cover the entire body. Its useless against bugs and for bots it only has use against devastators, which only kill me over rockets maybe 1/10 times? So if its going to only be ballistics, then it should do that perfectly. You're still gonna get one shot by a rocket, even more so with a larger hitbox. They could take a step back to HD1s energy shield, maybe something projected in front of you to prevent explosive damage. Since taking cover is infinitely more effective than using the shield, you may as well have some kind of distraction/tank utility for your team to exploit

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Some way to help with bugs and be more reliable for bots would certainly be good.

Gotta do a video on the new flamethrower. I'm 25h in using it for all my runs (with interchanging strategems) and it's to the point I now think the buff was too much... There's a beautiful about mastering such a clunky and volatile weapon. No straight lines of a beam of energy landing exactly where my cross air is aiming... No, I want DOT damage that randomly spawns and lingers on the ground with a high chance of hurting me and my mates. Having to learn to work around it. Knowing when and where to use it. What fights to take, when to kite, learning the environment around me every fight so I can funnel enemies around corridors of flame... In these 25h (and prob 100 more) i felt like i learned something I would have learned in one of your great videos! Flame on, diver

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Awesome, I am looking forwards to doing that one then! I love a weapon with some depth to it. Cheers!

Thanks for the research. I've also tested melee defence with the shield and I seems to stop hits if the melee attackers hitbox doesn't pass through it all the way. So hopefully Arrowhead can eventually have melee enemies stop phasing through it.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thats very interesting. I haven't had a chance to get back to the shield but I hope they do fix it.

With the Fortified perk from the armor, it will make the shield and defender SMG combo much better. Crouching will not only have the shield better protect you but reduce recoil when shooting. And when you get hit by an explosion you only take half damage thanks to the Fortified perk and more likely survive. Even more so using the heavy armor version FS-11 Executioner from the Superstore.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

It was, sadly, not as good as hoped.

Nice vid, Not sold on the shield wall suggestion but all the others seem reasonable. At the very least the melee attack block would boost the shield significantly. Maybe a different stratagem shield that lets you shoot shot guns but it requires you to be stationary when firing and reloading, although the increased bloom would probably be enough to balance it out.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

The shield wall is definitely a bad idea I want because its funny. I dig the idea of shield varients.

Further notes not mentioned: While you are holding the shield (not on your back), if your character ragdolls they will drop it on the ground. So if an explosion happens nearby or you dive off a ledge slightly too high, you'll have to pick it up again. Somewhat alluded to, but since it blocks at all times, pull out a support weapon while retreating and it can block bullets aimed at your back, too. Also keeps you from dropping it if you ragdoll. Lastly a PSA: In the current patch, its animations are bugged and using a stim or collecting a sample will put you in a T-pose state. You can fix it by swapping weapons, but still very problematic when you need healing mid fight.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Entirely accurate, thanks for adding the extra details.

Thanks for the full video on this! Now that armor is fixed in the game, i wanted to go hv armor ballistic shield combo vs. the bots :)

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I hope its better than heavy armor alone! My testing is obviously incomplete but so far heavy armor on bots was not impressive.

We use texture colision over box for that reason plus you can better define a week spot on a creature.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thats fascinating. I've never heard of texture collision. I'll look it up! I know a few indies who might benefit from that esoterica.

I feel like the shield should have a mode like Monty’s shield in r6 siege where it can extend, but instead of holding it, the shield gets deployed on the ground as hard cover.

One of the devs said armor has a numerical system, like armor values 1-10 or something like that, and each weapon has an armor penetration value of their own through 1-10(note he said 1-10 wasn’t the value distribution just an example) hence why some “light armor piercing” weapons penetrated what others couldn’t. That’s the “inbetweenies” though I don’t believe there’s a separate distinction for vehicle armor, just a higher value.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks for the helpful insight.

Honestly i just hope they fix the "holding a big melon" bug on the shield sometime soon

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

FOUR INVISIBLE WATERMELONS UNDER EACH ARM. IM SO STRONG.

Considering how the shield keep an active hitbox at any point, you could do a video to test the best combinations of armour, stratagems and vehicle/mountable objects. For example, the shield allows you to keep a frontal position in your team even against the robots, allowing you to combo it with the electric support weapon to fry entire groups. In the same way, it would be best used with any armour that give bonus limb health and blast resistance to complete the kit. Lastly, any of the future vehicles with exposed turret or the manual turret itself could greatly benefit from it by having a additional back cover from it.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

So stay tuned because I think Cashcrop_, who i mention in this video, will be touching on some of that soon. Maybe we can revisit the subject with that information and make some new tests or glean new insights.

@lucamorello_guardiansoul

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk Will do mate, i remember the first time i noticed this strategy by accident on the enemy walker mech of MGS:V giving you almost full protection from bullets as long as you didn't run...from that moment i tried using it anywhere else i could. Seeing the newer stratagems that are about to be released on Helldivers 2, from what i can see good combos could be with the new barrier/machine gun, even if the stratagem itself is underwhelming, and the other is the machine gun buggy, but it has some limitations.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I'm hoping the buggy is super fun. I was really hoping it would release before my break action video so I could make that truck joke better. @@lucamorello_guardiansoul

I love my ballistic shield. Kids now days with their little energy shields will never know the love of 3 inches of steel between you and the enemy

@Reginald-sc9tk

2 ай бұрын

I just wish it was a bit better and had more options around its usage.

@TheJadeScarab

2 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk yeah it should be better, its lame its useless against bugs :(

Amazing video.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Thanks much! I hope you had some fun.

Not sure if someone else mentioned this, but enemy armor and weapon ap is on a scale of 1-10. If the ap is lower than the armor it bounces, if ap matches armor it does 50% damage, and if ap is higher it does full damage. Then they just generally grouped it into light, medium, and heavy armor.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I appreciate the insight, truly. A lot of mechanics are not clear.

I love that your friends spell out CQB while using a riot shield XD

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I didn't even notice until you pointed it out. We all had a good laugh. Thanks!

Total War player being able to roleplay as one of their units : 😮

@Reginald-sc9tk

11 күн бұрын

Exactly

to make the shield an actual option that i would actually consider taking, i want to be able to use any primary like you said, potential use of mobile cover also like you said, and it definitely needs to block melee. as of right now, i don't take it because there's literally no point when i could be using anything else that could bring more value 😭

@Reginald-sc9tk

2 ай бұрын

Fully agree with you

they should add a team action to shield. much like other team reload weapons you lock onto the player with the shield, but instead of reloading you put a hand on there shoulder and fallow close behind them in a way to use the shield as cover. and if you aim you peak to the side and use your primary exposing yourself. it would be very useful to help a teammate who is stranded behind cover to get back to safety.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

That kinda thing would be awesome.

I like the idea of deploying it, would give you some breathing room to pull out a support weapon or something to deal with the heavier hitters. I'm not convinced about the two-handed weapons being usable with the shield, though, I think we just need some more one-handed options. I would love to have, say, a one-handed stun baton.

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

Melee weapons to go with it would be great. I want to do stealth take downs.

@seantanner1619

3 ай бұрын

@@Reginald-sc9tk something like the equivalent of a shotgun judge from IRL would rock with a shield.

I enjoyed that, thank you

@Reginald-sc9tk

3 ай бұрын

I'm very glad you did. Sorry it took me so long to come by, my last couple videos blew up beyond my expectations.