A-Style vs F-Style Mandolins: Who Wins? 3 Brands, 3 Prices.
Today John and Jeremy answer the Ultimate question: Should you buy an A-Style Or F-Style Mandolin? We have 3 brands, all at different price points to compare! Which do you prefer? Can you tell the difference? Let us know in the comments!
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00:00 - Intro
01:09 - What Are We Doing?
04:05 - Eastman A vs F
05:38 - Eastman Reveal
06:35 - Kentucky A vs F
08:12 - Kentucky Reveal
09:02 - Weber A vs F
10:35 - Weber Reveal
10:58 - Conclusions
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The A style mandolins were consistently warmer, while the F style mandolins were consistently brighter. I did not expect such a difference but it was very easy to hear. Thanks for the video.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@briandonnelly3052
4 ай бұрын
I prefer a warmer-sounding instrument. Thanks for catching that distinction. I guess I should look for an A-style mandolin.
I had to make this "big decision" last week and I endet up with a mid-class A-Style Mandolin. As a guitar player I wanted to have this warmer sound. You can hear the difference in this video very good! I'm happy with my choice and it's great fun to learn a "new" instrument.
I'm shocked, there's more difference between the A and F than I thought going into this. You really hear it on the chops.
@johnwashburn3793
Жыл бұрын
I agree
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
We're glad you could hear it! Thanks for watching!
I like the F-styles because it stands out more. But this really makes me want an A-style for the times I want more of a supporting instrument. In terms of looks, F-style wins no contest.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
It doesn't hurt to have both!
@amandasteven1400
11 ай бұрын
. . . . . . . . . . . . . but wat if it looks silly? :)
I hear the deeper tones in each of the A style mandos but prefer the F style for Bluegrass to cut through the other instruments and vocals. I actually thought the Kentuckys outshined the others, but that's just me. All six sounded good in the hands of Jeremy!
F styles have a cooler strap attachment point :) I really struggled when I bought my Eastman. I actually placed an order for an A style. But I knew I wanted an F style, The shop let me change my order to an F. For me it was just a visual choice. I like the scroll and Florentines on the F style. If I had bought the A I would be sitting here thinking "I wish I had bought the F". Nothing wrong with As. Same strings and fret board and you get to hold on to more than a few dollars. Whatever you buy, if you're a fat boy like me get a tone guard. It will make a huge difference. Keeping the back of mandolin off your body lets the wood vibrate.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
The F-Style does have the coolness factor! 😎
I've always wanted an F style but I keep getting A's just because when I buy another one, I get more bang for my buck. As a proud owner of two Kentuckys I gotta say that KM150 sounded pretty good considering you didn't go with a KM250 or 500 that would have been more similar.
Of the six instruments played, I loved the Kentucky A style the most. Love the warm tones of the lower strings.
I like the sound of the KM-150 even though it’s cheaper.
We used to call the scroll "the $3,000 straphanger". And, way back, when we first started seeing the imported mandolins, the Kentuckys generally had more of the woody tones we wanted for bluegrass.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Love that name for the scroll! 😂😂
I'm still a beginning mandolin player who is biased towards A-style mandolins on the basis of appearance. But that said, its playability and sound quality regardless of style that makes the difference. The opportunity to play it before buying is a definite plus. This will usually be very subjective. Each of us will like something that others won't. I own two Eastman mandolins and must praise Eastman for their consistent quality. One is an oval hole MD 404 and the other an f-hole MD 305. I appreciate the "voice" of each one. Price is important especially for beginners. I have found that A-style mandolins can give you a lot of value for the price. My compliments to The Acoustic Shoppe for their reviews.
Thank you Acoustic Shoppe! This is a fantastic video. Much appreciated.
One of my students told me about this video. Really well done and fantastically played. I have a Kentucky KM-250 which I really like. Had I the budget, I would've gotten an F-style and this confirms that. I like both and would own both but would really like an "F" over an "A" if I could afford it dollar-for-dollar. My "Kentucky "A" is a really good mandolin for my needs. I do recommend it.
Thanks for this video. This was fun and informative. I didn't know what the conventional wisdom says about the sound of A vs F mandolins, but I have an Eastman 305 mandolin, so on the first test I guessed based upon which one I thought sounded like my mandolin. (I bought the A style because it was less expensive.) I guessed correctly and noticed that the sound seemed to jump out of the F style more, while the A style had a rounder sound that floated out of the instrument. The same characteristics helped me pick the A and F style Kentucky mandolins correctly. I blew it on the Weber mandolins, though. The tonal characteristics seemed to go one way at the start of the clip then flipped the other way near the end. I stuck with my first guess, which was wrong. Anyway, thanks for doing this video. I learned something today!
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
This was a fun one to make! We try our hardest to be informative so we're glad that you learned from the video, thanks for watching!
Big thank you for your opinions.
Pretty surprised that I liked the A's in every case. I've owned A's and F's and I currently play an F. But, with these particular mandolins, I'd go with the A.
Great information. Thanks, guys!
I could tell the difference in all of them, though the Kentuckys were very close. I preferred the Fs except for the Weber where I thought both were good but different. My favorite was the Eastman F- it just *sparkles.* (Which is good, as that's what I just bought used for my daughter today!)
Definitely a difference, though personally I prefer the A sound.
My impression from your test is that the A-style is consistently warmer and rounder in tone than the F-style. I play an A-style - Gibson A-9 - because it was to me the best sounding mandolin I found at the price I could then afford to play. Generally, I think that overall there is a focus, tightness or pointedness to the F-style sound that could be better in a bluegrass band situation. I’m a solo folk style player and find that, although I wanted at first to be able to buy an F-style, my A-style probably does at least as good and possibly better job for the use I put it to. Now if I could have a dream fantasy mandolin, I think I could go for Tim O’Brien’s Nugget A-style. For me, though, it’s not a big deal. I’ll be 77 in a couple of weeks and I do most of my playing at home, for myself, family, and friends. Thanks for all the great things you send out!
A-style every time.
I liked the Weber A in this shootout, but for the Eastman and Kentucky, I really couldn’t tell the difference. For me, I find the F style easier to hold and doesn’t squirm around on my like the A. Plus, the F scroll gives a nice place for the strap. So the amenities (and looks) of the F sort of make it a winner even if they do sound the same.
I like the A style Eastman best. Considering the Eastman md505cc due to your demo. Almost 60 years old and want to learn to play.
What piece are you playing? Sounds amazing!
I easily noticed the difference between each pair (although on Weber it was the slightest). I had heard A-style usually has more bottom-heavy sound, but I didn't think it would be THAT noticeable. Also, I did like a lot every each of those mandolins. I usually play Kentucky KM-500 myself.
A has a warmer and rounder sound, the F seems to cut through more/brighter. I don’t know I’d hear the difference in a group or it’d matter at all asides from a comparison while listening intently whilst wearing headphones. I could however pick out the F vs A each time. The playing I think is more than anything, great job! They all sounded great!
I have the Bourgeois M5A model mandolin and it’s a true banjo killer. I bought it from the Acoustic Shoppe last December and absolutely love it!
@Gently469
11 ай бұрын
I just bought one too and let go of my Eastman MD805 and I love it too! The A style Webber is much more expensive than the Eastman so they are kind of comparing apples to oranges.
@JJ_TheGreat
8 ай бұрын
What about picking up a mandolin-banjo?!
They sounded very very close. If it wasn't a comparison, I probably wouldn't notice any difference. But since I listened very carefully I preferred the sound of the Eastman A to the F and the Kentucky and Weber F's over the A's. And oh, by the way, Nice Playing!
Love your content. I think I've watched every mandolin video you guys have done, as I'm researching for my next step up from an old MK Legacy I inherited from my FIL. Thanks for all the info. Nice playing, ,btw!
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
That's awesome! Thanks for using us as resource, that's definitely a goal of ours when we make videos!
As a guitar player I preferred the F of Eastman and the last choice, very noticeable on the chops! The Kentucky sounded most similar to me. Great job all around, camera,editors et al.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! You just can't bet those nice chops!
Wow, I need to try more A Styles.
@channings.wright7041
Жыл бұрын
Maybe A is much better for background or supporting roles, F definitely better for lead.
Would've liked a comparison of each style between the cheap Eastman and the expensive Weber. See if the extra money buys any extra sound.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
We've actually done a couple of similar comparisons with Gibson mandolins VS Eastman: kzread.info/dash/bejne/naGNmq1poKnQpps.html
Damn good picking. Love my 305 Eastman.👏👏👏🇨🇦
F style a little punchier and slight more tonal clarity. It’s all subjective. I could tell which was A & F even though blurred. The F curling was noticeable. 😉 my opinion A is just as good as F and the clean design of the A is more pleasing to my eyes.
The Stradivarius arch is a wonderful thing!
The Webers really stand out and for the price difference they ought to.
Took the words right out of my mouth about the tone difference.
I " guessed" right on all three but it was SO close. I think the F styles are a little more precise and defined...if that makes sense!
I didn't get it right until you played the Weber. I prefer the Weber A style as it had the best sound of all. Great time watching and listening. Thanks again.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
That A-Style had something special!
I found the Eastman and Kentucky A Mandos were more appealing to my ear. I like the warmer sound, at least that’s how I heard it. For the Weber, it was a toss up. I think the F on the Weber was more rounded over the low and high ends, but just by a hair.
Higher end A for same price as mid level F. F styles LOOK cool, but I play celtic, classical styles. I have two A styles, an Eastman and a Collings. I may eventually pop for an F, but no hurry. Both of my instruments are really sweet.
I could tell the difference between the A and F for the Eastman and Kentucky, but even though I noticed a slight difference with the Weber, I mixed up which was which, so I couldn’t tell.
To my ear there were differences: the F style sounded more full of the Eastmans, the A-style for the Kentuckys and both sounded equally good for the Webers. Excellent comparison video!
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for watching!
Over headphones, Favorite was F for Eastman and A for Kentucky and Weber was a tossup.
The Eastman there was a significant difference, and I much referred the Eastman A style's warmth. The Kentucky there wasn't much difference, and I had no preference between the two. The Weber there was only a slight difference, but this time I slightly preferred the F-style. As you said near the end, an F-style costs significantly more than the equivalent A-style. Mandolin would not be my primary, or even secondary, instrument. My budget would (just) extend to a solid wood top in an A-style, but I'd still be looking at a laminate top in a F-style.
I was really surprised at how nice the a-styles sounded in this comparison.
i would choose the one that played the easiest. Playability. That felt the best in my hands.
Just re-watched this and thought it was interesting that the Webers sounded identical to me.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
They're both so incredible!
@phlipperbrooks129
Жыл бұрын
@@AcousticShoppe I realize we're not actually replying to the Chapman bros, but I pretend anyway. 😆
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Sometimes you are, they at least read everything!
I am not a mandolin player but I have played with a few and I have always thought that F styles tend to be a bit more resonant particularly with open strings as well as projecting a bit more clarity. My choices during this video using that criteria were accurate. That being said it’s 50/50 so I could have just got lucky in terms of which sounds “better” I think that is relative to song as well as accompaniment. I can see situations where each would be the optimal choice.
I’m a newbie and I couldn’t tell the difference in any of the pairings. Just when I thought I heard something different, I changed my mind. Excellent video comparison and tutorial.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Over time, the more you play and listen to yourself and others the better your ears will become at detecting the tonal differences!
@davidmccue3591
Жыл бұрын
That's really surprising. I like the warmer tones and on every comparison, the one I liked turned out to be an A. I thought my feeling would be what you are describing; I didn't think there would really be ANY difference.
I know a lot of brilliant players who have A styles but I'm afraid if I play anything but an F Bill Monroe with come back and haunt me.
@robhanesworth
Жыл бұрын
Unless Bill is buying your mandolins it's none of his, or his ghost's business!😂
There’s definitely a very consistent difference which reinforces the f-style’s application to bluegrass. The Webers sounded great! I don’t know what it is about Kentucky, but I just never enjoy the sound or the look of them. Visually, they remind me of the $200 plywood model I had as a young teen, especially the weird peach-like colour of the rosewood fretboard! Eastman definitely come head and shoulders above them for me.
Charlie Daniels played an F style, nuff said 😁 The last pair both sounded the same to me.
One of each would suit me . I have a Washburn A style,looking for a price comparable in a F style
I'd be interested in seeing you compare two of the same mandolins to each other. Say, two identical Eastman 315's against each other to see how they differ from maker to maker from the same manufacturer using the same wood. Then do two A styles. Heck, go all out and compare three of the same to each other. 😆 Also, this is a tough one for me because I'm currently looking to buy my second "beginner" mandolin. I'm more drawn to the bottom end of the A's, but in a band situation that would likely get lost in the mix more... so I'm drawn once again the the F, plus the F's just look gorgeous!
I've been looking to buy a new mando. For a long time I thought I needed an F style but lately I've been giving the A models a second look. That Weber sounds sweet. Thanks for your vids. Love to visit your shop but I live in Canada.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
It would be awesome if you could ever make the visit!
Good mando content guys 👍
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
I had a difficult time telling the 2 styles apart. The Eastmans - I missed. The Kentucky - I got right. The Webers - I couldn't tell a difference..
I really love my Kentucky A style Km-500 it sound great and it’s it was loud. I have Michael Kelly f-style to compare it but is has broken neck.
Listening to this again. I picked them exactly the same as John. I liked the f-style better for the Eastman and Kentucky, and sort of preferred the A-style for the Weber. Part of that though, could have been the music selection for each. I thought the music for the A (as opposed to B) emphasized the high end a little bit. In any case, fantastic video by you guys.
There’s definitely a tonal difference between the two styles. I picked the correct ones even with my eyes closed. That’s NOT to say one is better than the other, anyway what we hear is very subjective. Where the F style cuts through though is with the chops, they are definitely brighter and punchier. But apart from that there is no way I could say I prefer one over the other. Great video guys!
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
You're speaking truth! Thanks for watching!
My choices were the same a Johns. And I too liked the Weber A over the F. Its noticable in the chops also. I own F mandolin just because I like the scroll. But I have always been told A's are better for the money. EE
This was an excellent and very insightful video. For my part, I had to listen carefully to hear a difference and I took a guess at the end of each section. Each "guess" was correct, so the difference for me was not as great as it was for others. However, I suspect the difference might have been more apparent if I had a better headphone or were listening to them live. Thanks for the video.
I agree with everything you said. I personally prefer an oval sound hole in either type I think they have superior sound.
I couldn’t hear much difference in the Eastman. But the other F styles are louder more sustain and cut through the mix. I liked both Kentuckys even though the A style was a lower level
I have an F style, but I actually preferred the A on all 3 counts.
well i have never been a fan of A style mandoline but i picked the A over the F in every comparison im really shocked
A seems to have a better low end, Id like to see a A f hole and a A with oval soundhole shootout
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
We for sure have an oval hole comparison on our forever growing to-do list!
I closed my eyes and couldn't tell when he switched the Eastmans.
More than the difference between A and F, this comparison showed me how much better the Kentucky mandolins sounded than the Eastmans.
I'm a celtic music fan, and I would like to buy an Eastman MD 505 CC N. Eastman has so many models… Where would you rate this model in terms of $/quality in the Eastman mando line ? Thanks in advance ? Keep up the good work. Gino.
Loved this!
I got a late 20s snake head. Very Few Fs can beat that sound. That Gibson tone is hard to replicate! Especially in the pre-war models. My daughter (Amanda Lynn) has consfiscated my Snake head LOL! I got a K505 Kentucky and it is a fine mandolin. But the Gibson was something!!!
I thought the F Eastman sounded better than the A style. I thought the A style Ky. sounded better than the F style. I agree the Webers sounded very similar. I would consider any difference between the Webers to be just the wood and not the A vs F style. My big surprised was how "good" the Ky A style sounded to me. But I'm not a BG player. I play, or attempt to, play Old Time Fiddle tunes. not chopping cords but playing melody trying to make each note distinctive and playing open cords. I have a Hans Brentrup 21V which is an A style with violin varnish that I bought 20 years ago. It is a wonderful mandolin. I went through five mandolins before the Brentrup. Your playing was great. Evidence that a really good musician can get a great sound out of inexpensive and moderate price instruments. A hacker like me can get a good sound out of a really good instrument but it cost! I really like this type of video comparisons.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts and for the feedback!
If you start playing you need a instrument that looks to you and says deep into your mind "come on, play with me" so if you prefer the shape of an F-style, take a n F-style even if you buy lower quality. because if start playing it doesn't matter how good your instrument can sound because it won't for a long long time. And that means you have enough time to save money for a really good second mandolin.
Nice comparison. I found the F each time, but can I sing with it? Unfortunately for the wallet, I liked the Webber Yellowstone A.
A -model is always the most user friendly!
Great video! I liked the Weber F-style best. Slightly brighter and more definition on the notes. What was the price difference between the two Webers?
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
It looks like the F-Style was $5,999 & the A-style was $3,999.
@robhanesworth
Жыл бұрын
I guess my poor ears are a blessing. I couldn't hear much difference which would save me $2,000 on a Weber.😅 I have an Eastman MD 505 that I like and will probably never upgrade.
Great video
Take your pick to what sounds best to you.
I absolutely couldn't tell the difference in the webers
Eastman: F style. Kentucky: A Style. Webers were very close. If I were forced to make a choice: F style.
Funny, the lower point, if it's up to me "Get Rid of the Points!" In comparing the Webers, I'm in love with the tone of the A-style. All y'all made those mandolins ring, but there's no doubt that you get what you pay for. To my ears, the lower end F-Style mandolins had a very sharp (not pitch), tinny sound and I would prefer the A-Style mandolin. However, I agree, in the Webers, it really was a toss up, though I liked the A-Style with the harmonics being on the bass side. One caveat -- we're listening over the internet, digitally processed. You really have to go out and play them. When I bought my Northfield A5 Special (sorry, guys), it's tone was smooth honey...
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
That's super true, it's always better to play before you buy!
As always great content fellas 👌
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
The only tone difference between an A and an F .... Is the way you hold.. it changes your attack angle ... period .. the tops are carved the same way ... the scroll is for looks and holding it (You tend to hit it harder .. the scroll is a block of wood ...It doesn't make it vibrate more .. in fact it might even cause it to be tighter with that block of wood maybe soaking up the soundboard movement in some cases .. But the major circle , aka speaker, if you will are shaved to the same specifications... as demonstrated right here.... the F sounds a little tighter ..which Jeremy is right ... the treble is what punches through the crowd .. not tje lows so much .... way too much treble=tinny which is the over thick tops, too much bracing, and of course plywood tops do .. (Plywood sounding more like a rattle can) lol Just a Luthier way of looking at it guys ? That scroll is more for prestige... Mustang vs Maverick... same car
Thanks for this!
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching, we hope this was helpful!
Great video, would like to learn the song you’re playing during the comparisons. Does it have a name?
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
That would be Jerusalem Ridge!
@bryanhansen1518
Жыл бұрын
Thank you! Looking forward to it!
Ultimately, it is subjective.
The other variant is F hole or oval hole? Using F holes was a good equalizer but --- there is a tonal difference
I am an A mandolin fan....recently got my first F, and am having to get used to that body style...seems even more headstock heavy, and a little awkward to hold. I would always recommend an A for a beginner/intermediate player(best you can afford).
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
That's very true!
I HAD A TUCKER A MODEL SOLD IT SO I COULD AFFORD A GIBSON F5 G WISH I HAD IT BACK!
To my ears the A styles sounded better until you played the Webers. That F sounded awesome!!! Unless my wife dies soon, it is far out of my budget 😂😂😂
I guessed the first two pairs correctly but failed on the last pair.
How do you get the A style to stay balanced from the strap. Drops down in amore horizontal postion than staying on an angle. Seems like I'm always fighting to get the neck to stay in position. Does the F style slide arounfd like the A style?
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Jeremy recommended a leather strap with a suede shoulder patch, that may help with the slipping issue.
@phlipperbrooks129
Жыл бұрын
I'm coming to mandolin from over 40 years on guitar and bass in bar bands and have struggled with neck dive, too. Based on suggestions from Mandolin Cafe I ran a leather boot string from my strap to under the strings just behind the nut. Problem solved. 🙂
@millerjeff
Жыл бұрын
@@phlipperbrooks129 Thank you for the response. Appreciate your thoughts on this.
Northfield by far a leader. Never mentioned because they don't sell them.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
We would absolutely love to get our hands on some, even for reviews, let Northfield know!
@BPTrack
Жыл бұрын
@@AcousticShoppe Well, now I know! Thanks. I will pass it along. Your reviews were good, by the way. You ranked them well in my opinion.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
I am a firm believer in that a instrument must not only sound good but must look good as well. That is why I prefer an F style mandolin over an A style. I would much rather fork out the extra money to have an instrument that both looks good and sounds good at the same time.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
That's fair!
@Taras75357
Жыл бұрын
Interesting...When I've listened to performers, I'm continually "wowed" when I hear an A-style play bluegrass and just beat the pants off the backup (and it's not that uncommon). You's guys did right by all the mandolins by choosing the same player, same music and (hopefully) no post production processing. Bravo PS: Looks ain't everything!
@Vader99ify
Жыл бұрын
@@Taras75357 I agree but looks (for me) is at least 80% of everything. I realize this is just my opinion but I hold firm on that it must both look good and sound good and the F style has the best of both.
@Taras75357
Жыл бұрын
@@Vader99ify I hear ya, looks give a great impression
Wow. This was a great video, and by the end of it, I was forced to admit that I like the sound of the Astyles better than the Fs. Since I am soon to be upgrading from my starter mandolin (a $400 "The Loar" Fstyle), this realization has made the financial aspect of upgrading to a better instrument a little more manageable, since the A's are cheaper. Nice job on the video. I wil be buying my new mandolin from The Acoustic Shoppe, BTW. While I'm here, I just wanted to say that although you two look much, MUCH older than me...we are about the same age. I've now watched so many of ya'lls videos, You're like my two knuckleheaded little brothers and every time I watch one of your videos I want to give the both of you a good wedgie or some other similarly painful little-brother torture technique. I just can't ever decide which one of you deserves it the most. I will say, however, that I'm leaning heavily towards the big guy. Thanks fellas. Keep up the good work.
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
We'll take it if you're buying a mandolin from us! 😅
An Oldschool mando showdown and it’s high noon 😂🤠🤣
@AcousticShoppe
Жыл бұрын
That's how we do it! 😂🤠
When will you do the same show on Northfield , Pava , Collings , and Ellis ?
@AcousticShoppe
3 ай бұрын
We would love to have any of their instruments on the show and if we ever get in used models, we certainly try to. Let them know you want to see their instruments reviewed by us!
TO my ears: Eatman: F, KY: A, Weber: F
@johnnysteel2380
Жыл бұрын
I agree , but the Weber''s were the most similar in my opinion.