I still to this day don't understand why this scene was deleted from most versions of the movie. The scenery, the music, everything about it was absolutely incredible!!

@laalki80

2 жыл бұрын

Was it?! Nowadays every movie lasts for 3 days and this was cut? xD

@oscarjohnson2130

2 жыл бұрын

@@laalki80 Oh they original cut of the movie was nearly 3 hours long and I'm dying to know what else was cut out!

@olentangy74

2 жыл бұрын

@@oscarjohnson2130 The director's edition has all the shot footage. It comes down to running time.

@tomcrawford6360

Жыл бұрын

One of the next scenes is Day Lewis seducing Cora, would make the main character look a bit slimy if her fiancé fought heroically a few minutes earlier.

@rc59191

Жыл бұрын

It's not even on the KZread movie version anymore when I know for a fact it used to be.

Finally a scene where the British army isn't portrayed as a bunch of untrained soldiers who can't fight properly

@olentangy74

3 жыл бұрын

The British Army were an excellent fighting force. Their shortcoming when it came to fighting Indians was their rigid adherence to European style of combat, where two opposing armies square off in standard infantry lines.The Indians fought Guerrilla style, from behind cover, combined with fierce charging attacks, using both firearms and their traditional hand weapons. The Brits were not used to this. This was really demonstrated on July 9, 1757,a month prior to the fall of Fort William Henry. A General named Braddock Lost 450 officers and footmen, including 40 women against a force of french soldiers and Ottawa and Huron Indians near what is now Pittsburgh. Colonel George Washington begged Braddock to allow his Virginia militiamen to break ranks and fight Indians style. Braddock refused. He lost a third of his army and Braddock himself died from wounds. The French/Indian victory at Monongahela emboldened the Indians at fort William Henry.

@strikingfilmsbristol

3 жыл бұрын

@@olentangy74guerilla warfare and 18th century British tactics don't go together do they

@coryhall7074

3 жыл бұрын

@@olentangy74 The British taught loose order fighting to all of their line troops and raised dozens of "Ranger" companies to fight the Indians on their own terms. The biggest impediments to beating the Indians in a field battle were 1) Indians didn't fight field battles at all and 2) as near subsistence level tribes what the Indians lacked in raw combat power they made up for in mobility and the terrain of colonial North America meant that massing sufficient European forces was difficult as they had to lug all their war equipment in. But, on multiple occasions independent detachments of British troops fought and won against Indian warriors, even managing to ambush THEM at times.

@philpetersen4477

3 жыл бұрын

@@coryhall7074 Sounds very similar to the british experience in New Zealand fighting against Maori. Was 'forest ranger' units raised here too and these tried to copy the superior tactics used by the Maori tribes. They did enjoy some success in doing so but the eventual british conquest of NZ was won through sheer numbers and superior supply of weapons, food and ammo to the british imperial troops. In the end, while Maori enjoyed much tactical success, strategically they were at a large disadvantage as they were first and foremost gardeners and needed to leave the front seasonally to cultivate their crops. The british soldiers had a whole international supply train supporting them in the field and they didnt have to protect their feilds from being destroyed by the enemy to avoid starvation.

@coryhall7074

3 жыл бұрын

@@philpetersen4477 Sounds fairly identical then at a strategic and logistic level, though if course the context and local flavor would vary as wildly as any other differences between North America and New Zealand.

Just seeing this now, it changes the entire perception of Maj Hayward. The theater version has him basically just appearing to be just a stuck up, jealous, aristocrat and kind of inept. This scene shows he’s a capable combat officer.

@jobenmcquaid6842

2 ай бұрын

But then he redeems himself at the end, when he gives his life for Cora and Hawkeye

@davidbutler1857

12 күн бұрын

Well he showed his ability early on too by taking on several of the Huron ambushers single handed

I really dont understand why they cut this part. This is the diversion that allowed for the messanger to slip through the lines, and a great display of Major Heywards leadership

@CognizantCheddar

Жыл бұрын

Not just Heyward being a competent officer. Those are 18th century grenadiers. An elite unit.

@youngartist9

Жыл бұрын

How long a movie is directly corresponds to how much money it can make in theatrical release.

@dukekevy6650

9 ай бұрын

@@CognizantCheddarbut of course good men must be lead by capable leaders.

They should've kept this scene. It makes Duncan look way more competent.

@paulhomsy2751

4 жыл бұрын

They didn't because it wasn't authentic.

@spacemarinechaplain9367

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Homsy And the main characters having aimbot for 90 percent of the movie isn’t?

@seanharris8419

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Homsy Don’t know what you’re smoking. It actually might be the most “authentic” scene in the entire movie. It shows accurate British army line infantry tactics and how effective it was.

@franciscozamora4156

4 жыл бұрын

Paul Homsy you’re kidding right? At this time England had one of the most disciplined armies in Europe. This scene depicts the supremacy of British line infantry in an open field. Probably one of the most authentic scenes in this movie.

@melvinderkanth1020

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. They should have. The training of British officers were second to none. It would have been a good counter-balance to his character.

My ancestor Benjamin Balch served with Colonel Joseph Frye's Massachusetts Provincials at Fort William Henry. He died of his wounds received during the siege. His comrades wrapped his remains in a blanket & carried it all the way back to his home in Scituate Maassachusetts. His stone survives to this day.

@AssinnippiJack

10 жыл бұрын

That80'sRetro Gamer Yes our family's military service goes back to nearly every conflict in our nation's story. Colonial Wars, Revolution, 1812, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam. Now I have a nephew who was just deployed to Romania. A lot of tension over there with Russia that the media is choosing not to tell us at the moment.

@podsmpsg1

10 жыл бұрын

wow.

@WBSGBS

9 жыл бұрын

died a true Englishmen

@AssinnippiJack

9 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Our maternal grandmother lived to the age of 98 passing in 1992. She recalled as a young girl aged kin recalling family members in their young days telling stories about the old folks who recalled the Revolutionary War! One example is that the Battle of Saratoga in 1777 was known as "The Taking of Burgoyne". She always stated that family loyalties in the Revolution were just as divided as in our civil war. Interesting!

@GUAVcis06

9 жыл бұрын

AssinnippiJack wow thats amazing. i wish i could say the same about my family history but unfortunately i dont know much about it..

My favorite part is that Duncan also took part in the company volley. There are too many movies that show the officers just shouting orders all the time and not actively working with their men.

@cevapipapi6167

11 ай бұрын

because thats how it was done

The scenery, the music, my God. It really transports you to those frontier times, even if it's a romantic imagining of it.

@EITY10

8 жыл бұрын

Exactly, the music fits perfectly in this particular scene. Makes it more exciting.

@Bayan1905

4 жыл бұрын

I actually live about 30 minutes from where Fort William Henry is, the museum was built almost exactly on the ruins. I've lived here my whole life, traveled all over the US and still find nothing that competes with the Adirondack Mountains.

@woolfyx

2 жыл бұрын

1:16 - I love the sky in that shot. Together with music indeed it's magical.

@cureformax

2 жыл бұрын

Originally it was going to be electronic and not orchestral...I want to hear that so bad!

@dilloncrowe1018

2 жыл бұрын

The way the Siege and the volley fire scene is presented is probably the most historically accurate representations of an 18th century siege you'll ever see.

Man. Running through that forest at top speed with all those Indians and French trying to kill you and hoping the guy who's shooting behind you has perfect aim, would have been a helluva rush like no other.

@franzschubertv2874

Жыл бұрын

Impossibly perfect aim with that weapon.

@thj6075

11 ай бұрын

@@franzschubertv2874 rifles back then were pretty accurate out to several hundred yards and maybe more depending on powder load etc. they were slower to load and more precisely tuned than the standard issued smoothbore muskets

@OutnBacker

11 ай бұрын

@@thj6075 They were more accurate, but not by several hundred yards. A man standing still at 200 yards would be hard to hit with typical long rifle. A kill shot would be just luck. Yes, men were hit at 280-300 yards intentionally by a steady, well practiced sniper, but that was extremely rare. Most of the tales of british officers being hit by a long rifleman are not coorborated, and are likely myuth. More likely that the officer was hit by an errant musket ball that randomly found an unlucky resting place. That was war. Under 125 yards, all bets are off. The long rifle was deadly inside 150, wheras the musket was sktchy at that range, but deadly inside 50-75 yards, and was the most deadly weapon on the field by far. The problem with poor accuracy is not the barrels so much as the bullet: a round ball is a very poor projectile, and very quickly begins to fly like a bumble bee - even out of a rifled barrel.

A large line of well led Brittish redcoats. The international sign in the day that you where in for a utterly savage beating.

@davidbutler1857

7 жыл бұрын

I liked the dual nature of Major Duncan, being an obviously gifted and stone cold battlefield commander, but a total asshole in personal matters.

@CognizantCheddar

7 жыл бұрын

I don't know that he was really a "total asshole". The woman he was in love with fell for another man she had only known for a few days, and Duncan basically had to watch it happen right in front of him. Something like that's gonna bring out the ugly in a lot of people.

@davidbutler1857

7 жыл бұрын

Well he wasn't exactly priming her pan if you know what I mean. She rejected Duncan before she ever met Hawkeye. I guess it's fair in some sense, he was just being a proper British officer before then. Not sure how the novel went about that stuff...been ages since I even tried to read it. I found the prose hard to follow as a kid and just never went back to read it again.

@CognizantCheddar

7 жыл бұрын

David Butler Dont get me wrong, Duncan was a douche for lying to Munro about the settlements being attacked just bc he wanted to antagonize Hawkeye. just saying that there's a lot of normally decent ppl who temporarily become asshats when love and rejection are involved Duncan dies well in the end.

@davidbutler1857

7 жыл бұрын

Yeah...and dude had some brass to offer himself so that Cora might live. His ghost probably haunted the living fck out of those Huron for decades...

I love the part at 0:13 when the British soldiers shout and raise their muskets, so awesome.

@TheStateOfEarth

9 жыл бұрын

ya I like that to its quite intense, they're springing a trap. the sound design is really fun, might not be what it actually sounds like, but its entertaining.

@saiien2

9 жыл бұрын

Blue Spark G They are actually Hannoverian (germans) grenadiers in service of British army, but yeah they´re cool.

@Sabertooth12

9 жыл бұрын

saiien2 Thank you for pointing that out, I just noticed the horse emblems on their head pieces.

@kevinkim26

8 жыл бұрын

+saiien2 Wrong. They're not Hannoverians, they're British grenadiers of the 35th Regiment of Foot, they have the Horse of Hannover on their bearskin caps because the English king at the time was George II, who belonged to the House of Hannover.

@saiien2

8 жыл бұрын

I know that English King George was Hannoverian. But in that time there were also Hannoverians serving in british forces.

Gotta love the Highlander’s in the beginning running in their kilts with the Mohawks

@brunz6667

2 ай бұрын

They are not Highlanders they're Hanoverian Grenadiers

@brunz6667

2 ай бұрын

Holy shit nevermind your right ive never seen that detail before thats awesome

Brits fighting how they actually did hence the whole empire thing?! By God that's soldiering

@WanderlustZero

28 күн бұрын

And the ability to fire 3 rounds a minute in any weather!

I remember buying the "Director's Cut" of LOTM and when THIS scene came up...I probably watched it 20 times before proceeding with the rest of the movie!! The theatrical scene involving the courier has ALWAYS been my FAVORITE part of the movie, but adding in the "diversion" just made it ten times better!! I CANT BELIEVE they didn't leave this scene in the theatrical version!! It's just INCREDIBLE!!! DEFINITELY THE VERY BEST SCENE IN THIS INCREDIBLE MOVIE!!!

@Nullius_in_verba

4 жыл бұрын

never seen this scene in the directors cut edition

@danwhowatches707

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nullius_in_verba The uploader did say "expanded edition" so it's either that or there are different Director's Cuts out there

@spidurfiji

Жыл бұрын

@@Nullius_in_verba it’s in the dvd directors cut. He removed it again on the bluray definitive directors cut

@allanbard6048

Жыл бұрын

It's so funny, for years I heard an edit of this track and now I have it on the expanded release. So this is what that magnificent score was used for!

@davidknight2104

10 ай бұрын

I just bought the directors cut and it wasn't on there 🙃🙃🙃 gutted

I like that double take when Duncan sees the French infantry coming up.

@williampoole1742

4 ай бұрын

It's weird how good of acting that is, really natural and shows his confidence break for just a moment, even the most upright and disciplined British officers would feel fear sometimes

You can almost smell the gunpowder. Wes Studi was fantastic. I hope he received an award.

This scene captures the effectiveness of well drilled soldiers and massed volley better than any I've seen. Notice by their caps (in contrast to the Tricorne) that they are not just any British foot infantry. These are likely guards or grenadiers, which makes them even more elite and well drilled. Notice how they fire by rank. The only problem I have with it is that they do not reload after the first volley.

@Falor5151

6 ай бұрын

They do reload. Look at the rank that fire first. They're reaching into their packs for the next powder charge when the second rank steps to the front.

That Courier had balls of steel!

@hutch1111111

8 жыл бұрын

+Daniel Casperson He knew who he had watching over him. They wouldn't leave him out to dry.

@CognizantCheddar

7 жыл бұрын

The sad thing is he still dies, off-screen. When the French commander shows Munro the intercepted reply letter, it has blood all over it.

@ephica_

7 жыл бұрын

I hope it wasn't the same courier. Seems a bit harsh to make a guy that's just risked his life dodging natives and french trappers in the woods to head straight back out again lol

@SRP3572

6 жыл бұрын

And a lot of trust in the skill of his "guardian angels"

@callumwebb4927

6 жыл бұрын

Matt Bolt They didnt pay them for nothing I guess

As the line goes in The Patriot: "Going muzzle to muzzle with Redcoats in an open field - it's madness". Excellent scene, the first swoosh of the bayonets at 0:15 gets you really pumped up!

@CognizantCheddar

11 ай бұрын

The unit executing the sortie in this scene are Scottish grenadiers. Not just any redcoats. Elite troops.

@jobenmcquaid6842

10 ай бұрын

I was already pumped up from How fast the Indians were charging, letting out war cries with their tomahawks!

@sanepillow59

4 ай бұрын

The French weren't militia. They beat the Redcoats more frequently than they got beat by them, the colonies being the exception because of how few soldiers France sent overseas

It's weird that the one scene where the british are shown to be somewhat competent in battle is cut from the theatrical and blu-ray edition of the film.

@hotdogproductions6526

9 жыл бұрын

Tiger66261 Couldn't agree more. It would appear that the British and in this case the british army are destined to be maligned as either useless or villains by the American film industry. I Guess we must take solace in the historical fact that throughout history and generally speaking the British army and Navy have been the most successful fighting bodies the world has known. I know there have been well documented defeats over the years, all armies and Navies have these, just ask a Yank about vietnam, but generally we have taken on all comers in usually difficult situations, far from home , with stretched supply lines and quite often fighting on several fronts and won. Know doubt someone from across the pond is going to try and rub the war of independence in my face. But i will just smile, point out the above and sit happy in the knowledge that during the whole war as John Keegan points out, the British army did not loose a single battle on equal terms. We were starved out, overwhelmed by vastly superior forces and sniped at from the trees. But when it came to doing what real armies around the world were doing at that period, we did not run, we may have temporarily fallen back, sometimes in disarray but we always came back, lines of brave, scared professional ordinary men, wearing red coats.

@MopSpadowski

9 жыл бұрын

Honestly, I think most Americans have a great deal of respect for England. War of independence was our side of it, England was fighting France on a much greater scale at the same time. We've been allies for quite some time now, very grateful. I always hear The War of 1812 mentioned when a debate occurs between USA and England/Canadians, usually brought up by the latter. By the way, I'm an USA citizen.

@Talbot6832

9 жыл бұрын

Kyle Rigney The American War of Independence was more of a civil war anyway. Englishmen in power fighting other Englishmen in power. The trouble is that it provided the perfect opportunity for France to get back at Britain for their defeat in the Seven Years War. Although in their haste to capitalise on a very sensitive and precarious situation in North America, the French bankrupted themselves and made it far easier for the Proletariat to harness their Revolutionary ideals and thus bring about the most potent revolution of the 18th century and 19th century - The French Revolution

@MopSpadowski

9 жыл бұрын

That's very true. Good point!

@flansable

9 жыл бұрын

ThePalaeontologist TL:DR wtf man... I bet there's some good points in here, but come on! its a comments section, not a type an essay zone.

One of my all time favorite stories as a kid, and this is by far the best film version of a classic tale. As to the British army being out matched in hand to hand combat - I don't think, so. Neither were the French, or the Russians or the Prussians at this time (The Seven Years War). All European armies were spectacularly well drilled at close melee combat. We should remember that this was the time of maximum colonial expansion, with ridiculously small but well trained armies putting down native tribes of many thousands of men all over the world. In North America it was usually the natives that kept their distance as much as possible for that reason. Most native tactics were based upon stealth and ambush, with close combat as a final tactic. They found the British bayonets to be very sharp and well driven. In fact, so did European opponents of the day, with very few recorded bayonet charges actually brought home to contact. Usually, the other side broke and ran at the last second before contact. It was known that a bayonet wound was deadlier than a somewhat minor wounding by a ball (if luck). Bayonets were well designed to leave a triangular hole that didn't close up, causing loss of blood by the bucket. If run through by a bayonet, you died. Two or three times, you died quicker. There is mythology that is propagated by the flawless shooting from the walls as the runner makes it through, though. The scene seems to show accuracy at what might be 200-300 yards or maybe more, given the time of the run. At night, too. I've shot thousands of rounds through these replica firearms and they are generally not capable of such performance except by luck. Even very fine ones that are custom made. There are only a few verified hits during the Revolution of British officers in combat when long riflemen were sniping. A hit is a good as a kill in combat, so even a ball to the calf or shoulder would put a man down. At 200 yards, shooting a round ball from a rifled barrel of 40-50 inches, I would say might hit a man, or his horse, but a clean kill would be remarkable. However, under 125 yards, no officer is safe. That's why American riflemen were given no mercy, and were bayoneted by fast charging British soldiers who knew that reloading a rifled barrel took too long. So, they endured the first volley then charged as fast as they could to come to grips. Usually - almost always - the American rifle companies took off, having no bayonets.

@adamkhan4451

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know if it was native american tribes of 1000's. Disease, killed the overwhelming majority of natives. Now after disease, whatever natives were left, if it was thousands of them then yeah

@OutnBacker

4 жыл бұрын

@@adamkhan4451 Sorry, I was unclear. I too, doubt that there were very large masses of native warriors in any one battle with colonials. Hundreds, certainly - maybe a couple thousand. I was actually referring to the more populated and developed areas such as India, Afghanistan, and China. Many of those colonial battles were of epic size, against very well armed opponents. That said, the close combat melee tactics of the European armies was extremely effective against hard charging loose formations. However, the ambush and massacre of the small escort detachment in the film might have been accurate, as any troops trained in large formation tactics will be handicapped the smaller the formation. For a good understanding of the power of line tactics using the bayonet, read up on the tactics employed by the British at the Battle of Culloden in 1746, just a few years before the French and Indian War depicted in this classic story. The fanatical charge of the Highlanders was crushed by British regulars wielding their bayonets in a new way never before seen. It changed the science of melee combat until the advent the rifle/musket and minie ball.

@johnycoho7830

4 жыл бұрын

Adam There were still tribes in the thousands. Especially in the plains where they had more time to recover. In the east many tribes or parts of tribes grouped together. For normal day to day activities tribes would spread out a bit. You don't want to kill all the deer in one area and the land would support them better if they spread out. But if there was a war on warriors from multiple villages many of them, but not all were from the same tribe, just a different village. That is a very quick overview and it doesn't mention a lot of information. I was just trying to be quick.

@adamkhan4451

4 жыл бұрын

@@OutnBacker okay, that's pretty cool.

@OutnBacker

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnycoho7830 Right you are, sir.

Truly this scene is one of the most accurate representation of the effectiveness of 18th century volley fire.

@franzschubertv2874

Жыл бұрын

Not exactly a good portrayal with the accuracy of sniper fire in the darkness at that range with that weapon.

@sesfilmsllc

Жыл бұрын

@@franzschubertv2874 yeah, but that’s with a singular musket. I’m talking about a group of soldiers.

@franzschubertv2874

Жыл бұрын

@@sesfilmsllc I know. I agree. It’s just that they immediately destroy credibility right afterwards.

@sesfilmsllc

Жыл бұрын

@@franzschubertv2874 oh ok.

@PhD777

Жыл бұрын

Just part of the "Hawkeye" story. That aside, the scenes with the Grenadiers are superb!

First movie scene ever where British soldiers can aim and fire from their muskets

@iwanegerstrom4564

8 жыл бұрын

+Risko Benej That's why they put it among the deleted scenes ^^

@BorgCoitus

8 жыл бұрын

I actually love this scene, because it's an accurate depiction of british line infantry tactics, and effectiveness lol.

@alex20776a

7 жыл бұрын

And thats why it was removed from the movie

@fountaincap

7 жыл бұрын

Haha, I remember growing up with such a low opinion of British line infantry because of the way they're portrayed in movies. Then I got the DVD version of this movie. :)

@carson1429

7 жыл бұрын

BorgCoitus muskets were still dog shit at hitting anything smaller than a barn door

"Wheel to the right, on centre! March!"

@frankmann1060

3 жыл бұрын

Yup. That's a very difficult marching maneuver, so that this regiment can do it with relative ease speaks to their experience and training.

@ragnarulfbroder1

3 жыл бұрын

Also note that it was not uncommon for a projectile from one of those long guns to go through 2 or 3 men.

1:07 Incredibly epic camera shot

This is the only version of the film someone should see. Without Duncan’s roughly one minute scene, the film feels strange. Like something is missing.

@williampoole1742

Жыл бұрын

They definitely had a slant with the making of this and I don't know what it was or why they did it. You know, through the entire movie, with the exception of Duncan, no British soldier wins a fight against an American Indian? What's up with that?

@CognizantCheddar

Жыл бұрын

The movie in general does Duncan's character very dirty, compared to the novel. Duncan is somewhat naive about the frontier, but wholly heroic in every other way in the novel. Apparently the movie felt it needed to create a love-triangle for modern audiences, so it rewrote Hawkeye's motivations and Duncan's personality.

@CognizantCheddar

Жыл бұрын

@@williampoole1742 The British defeat at the fort and ambush/massacre by native-americans afterward are actual events in actual history, which the plot of this fictional story is framed around.

@williampoole1742

Жыл бұрын

@@CognizantCheddar I know they were defeated, but the main cause was because they were stripped of their ammo after they left the fort and the Indians that attacked them were shooting, it was almost the opposite of what the movie portrayed

@CognizantCheddar

11 ай бұрын

@@williampoole1742 Do you even remember what you watched? That the British garrison's column was ill-equipped and unprepared for pitched battle is clearly portrayed in the movie. And it also showed plenty of musket fire by the attacking natives, too. What's _actually_ unrealistic about the movie's massacre depiction is that Monro was killed (he wasn't), the garrison was seemingly wiped out (it wasn't), and the attack only began after the column had left the fort (in fact, the attacks began almost immediately on the morning after the surrender). The column did in fact dissolve not long after leaving the fort due to the attacks, and fragmented groups made their way to Fort Edwards. But your comment up there only objects to the idea that the British garrison was brutalized with impunity by the French's native allies. Well, they were. That happened. Not quite as dramatically as the movie potrays, but it happened. It's historical fact.

I love this clip! My favorite part is watching the discipline of the soldiers in how they respond to orders. As a reenactor it's amazing!

0:14 imagine what these guys were like in reality if you can get some extras to be this intimidating for one scene. A bayonet hedge is just a terrifying sight.

@GhostEye31

5 күн бұрын

They drilled the extras, they actually Dale Dye who did the same for movies and shows like Platoon, Saving Private Ryan and Band of Brothers. In this case I've seen behind the sceens footage of them doing musket drill.

Great musical scoring for this scene. It’s unlike any other melody from the soundtrack which is amazing. But I love this stand alone score for the courier scene.

And it’s battle scenes such as this which get me back playing Empire Total War

Great scene. This is what the British Army was so good at, and it shows here.

@taylorahern2714

8 жыл бұрын

+Luke Brazier Yes, the Redcoats were the best in the World back then. Hats off to that superbly and savagely disciplined bunch. Outstanding!

@Clee-os6pv

8 жыл бұрын

+Luke Brazier The Brown Bess musket gave the British Red Coat the edge after all. Since they deployed in 2 thin lines and fire by ranks of volley. A good British solider can fire about 3 rounds per minute. As long as the British maintain their ranks and stand fast they are formidable.

@TheManofthecross

8 жыл бұрын

+Clee4000 until heavy artillery fire or the cannons use carcaus or quick lime rounds then those lines will break real esally.

@Clee-os6pv

8 жыл бұрын

Normally that would be true but, in most battles I read. Field artillery may no help you as much. It will kill the line but they mostly have other troops beside lines of infantry. Like mounted Cavalry which are fast. Sure it's powerful but it takes a set up for them. One they are heavy, two the reloading time was slow even when drilled and experience, three terrain is important, four need a lot of men to protect the guns, and lastly five do not let your enemy flank you.. Plus they mostly just advance as fast as they can to the other side. To prevent them of using it. Since the side doesn't want to kill their own forces which is called "friendly fire". They will mostly overrun the gun position.

@TheManofthecross

8 жыл бұрын

Clee4000 I see then but still it is usefull for the cannons to be used especially those shells.

This has to be the best movie ever made. The music, scenery, and acting all came together to make this masterpiece. It makes you feel like you're there. An absolute classic.

Lets face it, the music and cinematography were the real stars of this moving picture.

@VRichardsn

4 жыл бұрын

Yes.

The discipline shown from the british troops right here are unmatched

@danemon8423

3 жыл бұрын

Tell that to the prussian army.

@simposayerman

2 жыл бұрын

@@danemon8423 Prussian Army , superb army and saved Lord Wellingtons bacon at the Battle of Waterloo . However this isn’t the Napoleonic war but should the Prussians have fought alongside with the British in this war then the outcome would have been different

@danemon8423

2 жыл бұрын

@@simposayerman what i meant is that in the 18th century prussia was know to have the most disciplined army

I love how Hawkeye keeps his vision fixed on the runner while readying his hand for the next rifle.

The runner got the assignment, not once panicked and looked around, forward as his life depended on it.

The courier is probably thinking "shit i need a new job"

I like how he is running and not looking back and the brothers are not missing a single shot the music great

wheel to the right is a really hard maneuver, finished of by a perfect volley

@williamfleishman178

3 жыл бұрын

You'll learn to do it perfectly if your company commander will have you flogged stupid for screwing it up.

@imperatorglaber1752

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and they maintain their formation while doing it. Not easy

It's a combination of so many small decisions and aesthetic choices, but this movie just feels so real. I can't put my finger on why, but it is so obvious how much Michael Mann and the entire creative team for this movie wanted to get this period right. The entire film looks like a Joshua Reynolds painting. The battle scenes in other 18th c. movies are okay (the Patriot, etc), but there are so many minor flaws it's just hard to compare it to this fully immersive experience.

The only thing I disliked in this amazing movie was that the British are portrayed as incompetent fools and never seam to hold their own aside from the main characters. This scene should’ve been in the final film showing what the red coats were good at.

Shame that scene was deleted ,but still one of my favourite films. Music,Scenery ,and the love story set amongst the turmoil of the 7 years war on the frontier. Just Brilliant !

Seeing the well armed, well trained, and courageous troops come from the trenches to meet their enemy face to face - unreal how good this is. Gets the blood pumping.

ive been looking for this scene!!!! funny how you can search and search and never find a video on here and then one day it randomly shows up in your feed

There's a lot of talent on display in this scene. Not just with the headline actors or the soundtrack, even the extras and stuntmen are fantastic in this movie. The stuntman that takes Hawkeye's bullet at 1:53 really sells it. The tragedy of good stunts and special effects is that if they're done properly, no one ever thinks twice about them.

The music really plays to the theme of the book. Cooper's Story The Last of the Mohicans has a lot of heroism and the music reflects it really well.

Before the Seven Years' War, France was the major military and political power of Europe, and therefore, the world. The only thing they couldn't match was England's navy. Only once in history have the French ever beaten the English Navy in a massed engagement, and that was at Yorktown.

@willemverheij3412

8 жыл бұрын

+Nick Craig The Dutch did manage to surpass the British navy for a while despite being a much smaller country. But their navy went into decline later on and couldn't keep up anymore. But roughly between 1500 and 1700 the Dutch had a lot of millitairy strenght for such a small country, first kicking Spain out and later keeping the French and Brits out.

@conde6077

8 жыл бұрын

+Willem Verheij Medway. NEVER FORGET RAID ON MEDWAY.

@willemverheij3412

8 жыл бұрын

Sai's Afflicted Indeed, that likely was the most humiliating naval defeat in British history.

@conde6077

8 жыл бұрын

Willem Verheij Englishmen to this day blush when we hear the words "Raid on Medway". It was so embarrassing that it's now in our DNA to do so

@willemverheij3412

8 жыл бұрын

Sai's Afflicted It's still a curious thing though that the Dutch and British have been allies as often as enemies pretty much through history.

I saw this movie way back in the day when it first came out at the cinema; this scene was in it, and was even more impressive on the big silver screen

My my my....One of my favorites movies while living in this world.

I will watch this scene each morning before work in preparation for the battle to come.

This film is my alltime favourites. Great cinematography and music too.

i love how this scene shows that while Hawkeye is amazing at fighting, he's special. Not all the indians were that good at killing, and the British regulars have some skill too when they're fighting in a field instead of a forest.

I get that this film is set in the earlier stages of the war when the British weren't doing so well, so I get that most of the scenes would have the British losing, but damn it's just so satisfying seeing redcoats kicking ass like that. We need more movies with scenes like that.

@redplanet667

7 жыл бұрын

Diego M i agree seeing as the British Empire was the most dominant force of the 1800s you would think we would have an abundance of movies of them winning battles wouldn't you, but no the Hollywood movie industry only seems interested in making movie after movie about the very small number of wars that they actually lost while completely ignoring the shit load of wars that they won.

@g.soriano8168

7 жыл бұрын

+J.L. M ejem, i'm spanish, don't talk to me about movies where your country loses or simply doesn't appear

@redplanet667

7 жыл бұрын

G. Soriano lol I feel your pain

@g.soriano8168

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks, my country, like yours in its times, was the most powerfull state during around 180 years more or less, but actually we can only see movies where we are a tiranic nation, we lose, or simply we appear when the empire was being broken.

@Ultraelectromagnetic

7 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I've seen "Alatriste" and while it does show the Spanish kicking some butts, the setting is during the end of the "Golden Age" and the beginning of the decline of the Spanish Empire. My country's historical films tend to focus on how we keep betraying and backstabbing each other while trying to fight a foreign empire.

I like how they cut this but didn't cut out "one of these days, you and I are going to have a serious disagreement." Great editing.

@diogomarques5582

5 ай бұрын

Do you understand this phrase when Hawkeye kills Duncan...but i Understand you

These short musketry scenes are the best i've ever seen.

Pause at 1:16 for a beautiful sunset shot

@stevenbjerke302

7 жыл бұрын

A sort of sickening nostalgic feeling of an era long past

This is epicly well done. Especially the dicipline and utter contempt the Brittish have in standing up even though besieged to still counter where possible. Keep in mind these red coats are the troops and officers in the zenith of Brittish might across the globe. These are the troops that built a empire.

They don't make'm like this anymore. Just "boom boom" movies nowadays. The pause between the musket shots builds tension and you are eager to see the results when they do finally shoot. Not historically acurate but soooo satisfying. And the music and scenery. Personally one of my favorite movies.

Just found this scene for the first time and its blown me away, makes the film so much better. The detail of the Highlanders stripped down and acting as historical SF alongside the Mohawks absolutely kicks bottom. Would have loved to have seen that aspect fleshed out a bit maybe a scene with them being picked and issued close combat weapons by Duncan and their officers and then some of the combat that they engaged in alongside the native warriors. The context of them isnt too clear as it is.

All these comments about the Redcoats finally being accurate, while that may be, their effectiveness was more on their speed of volley, among the best in their time, their grit to stand there and trade when lesser soldiers would break, and their willingness to charge and finish it, with nothing more then a bayonet with some guts behind it.

This has an amazing soundtrack!

@squigglyline6488

3 жыл бұрын

You aren't kidding

The competency of Major Duncan and the British Infantry on full display. This shows on the open field a disciplined line of infantry and accurate volley is devastating. I mean look how it inflicted casualties on the French infantry line forming. Even if like in the movie they were in the forest infantry with bayonets are deadly.

Those Grenadiers look badass

@Bountyhopper

4 жыл бұрын

Raymond Acbotte I actually think they are fusiliers

I love this scene because it shows the British being badass before being ambushed.

+Steven Dunn These Grenadier are British. The Horse of Hannover is on their Caps, as during this Time, the english Kings were of the House of Hannover.

@ThePhantomMajor

10 жыл бұрын

Hanover

@LutzDerLurch

10 жыл бұрын

The Phantom Major Do you know who ruled Great Brittain during that Time? The Kings of the House of Hannover. It is not that weird at all, that their Emblem found it's way ito the british Army, as well... -.-

@alexxie2600

10 жыл бұрын

The Phantom Major Actually it is spelled Hannover.

@Focusyn

9 жыл бұрын

Valls Degage It was actually changed to Windsor from Saxe-Coburg and Gotha. Queen Victoria was the last Hanover.

@kaideseager8937

6 жыл бұрын

*British Kings.

I like how this scene shows, even though Major Heyward is a snob, he is still an extremely competent and courageous officer!

They did a really good job here showing the why the British where so deadly in the open field at the time in comparison to heavily wooded areas like in other parts of the film, shame it didn’t make it into the Final Cut as it showed their strengths and weaknesses.

How could they have left this out? Jesus

Everyone gangster until they face Redcoat volley fire

@RockandRoller2009 For all who doubt, the Scots in this scene are mentioned in the script: EXTERIOR FRENCH TRENCH - THREE PICKETS - NIGHT are suddenly tomahawked and knifed by stripped down 42nd Highlanders and Mohawks. Alarm is raised. French and some Huron run to advance. Shots are fired. The Rangers & Mohawks fall back. TRENCH IN FRONT OF WEST WALL suddenly Heyward and three companies of the 62nd regiment of Foot (60 men) are over the top in perfect formation

If you look at 1:36, one of the guys going after the runner looks like he’s wearing a suit of armor, which is strange. But I also love how the flintlock being shot by the other guy in the same instance throws sparks from the pan about 10 feet in the dark. This entire clip was just an awesome scene.

@killer3000ad

2 жыл бұрын

It's not armour. This version is a bit dark but i've seen much brighter versions. He's actually a native warrior who has some shiny skin.

@eurekasfavoriteman

Жыл бұрын

he is just really sweaty lmao@@killer3000ad

the soundtrack is called "the Courier" by Trevor Jones

i dont really get how they cut one the best movie scenes......

Scenes like this are the reason I only watch the Director's Expanded Cut of the movie. It has the most content, it's the longest version of the movie and in my opinion it's the best version even if it is a little too darkly lit at times.

Loved this movie and the music!

No idea why this was cut from the Blu-ray, it's a great depiction of war during that time period.

@peppealletto4031

10 жыл бұрын

hai ragione è una scena bellissima, it's a beautiful scene

@MrBandholm

9 жыл бұрын

that way they can make a different edition :P

@jakzine540

9 жыл бұрын

Greg Cunningham It also makes blonde Major less of a total douchebag by showing off that he IS in fact a competent and brave commander and soldier, not terribly unlike the main male lead.

@hotdogproductions6526

9 жыл бұрын

jakzine540 I wrote this for another post, but i think it sits here too. Couldn't agree more. It would appear that the British and in this case the british army are destined to be maligned as either useless or villains by the American film industry. I Guess we must take solace in the historical fact that throughout history and generally speaking the British army and Navy have been the most successful fighting bodies the world has known. I know there have been well documented defeats over the years, all armies and Navies have these, just ask a Yank about vietnam, but generally we have taken on all comers in usually difficult situations, far from home , with stretched supply lines and quite often fighting on several fronts and won. Know doubt someone from across the pond is going to try and rub the war of independence in my face. But i will just smile, point out the above and sit happy in the knowledge that during the whole war as John Keegan points out, the British army did not loose a single battle on equal terms. We were starved out, overwhelmed by vastly superior forces and sniped at from the trees. But when it came to doing what real armies around the world were doing at that period, we did not run, we may have temporarily fallen back, sometimes in disarray but we always came back, lines of brave, scared professional ordinary men, wearing red coats.

@jakzine540

9 жыл бұрын

Independence wars are ugly things. I'm proud of my country, it is true. I'm also proud that our nations managed to steer past that ugly affair and find some peace and understanding. It'd be a sad world with Yanks and Brits not generally having at least a decent relationship. British redcoats were terrifying. The GURKAHS wound up backing the hell up and saying "gee guys, you don't run from us. Let's...make a deal". One of the smallest nations in the world made one of the greatest empires known, for a time. A shame it all boils down so easily. Who knows; maybe if both sides had more effectively communicated and worked together, the war for independence wouldn't have been necessary. Britain would've become and INSANE power, had it continued to rule America.

1:16 A sort of sickening nostalgia for an era long past

The flintlock rifle in the novels was named KillDeer. The rifle he used to shoot the last Huron to help the courier escape. He acquires it in the last book Cooper wrote about Nathanial, but it was the first chronologically, The Deerslayer. I would love to see someone make all five of the movies, Last of the Mohicans only because the movie's ending is vastly different than the book. The Deerslayer was made as a movie in the late 70's and Madeleine Stowe had the role of the younger daughter. It wasn't very close to the novel, as Steve Forrest who played Nathanial, was in his 50's and the character was a young man in his 20's in the book.

This scene is breathtaking, and I believe, unequaled in film.

They'll be long land pattern muskets (brown bess). During the seven years war, the long lands were used most by redcoats. it wasn't until after/during the american war independence did redcoats start using the less clumsy short land pattern musket, which was a few inches shorter.

The only thing the French and the Natives feared is the legendary "Black Watch" no one can match the fighting abilities of the ladies from hell.

@Talbot6832

7 жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure the Natives, like any man, feared anyone that wanted them dead.

@xXArnOdu974Xx

7 жыл бұрын

At the Battle of Fort Ticonderoga (Fort Carillon in french) 1758, the 42nd Regiment of Foot "The Black Watch" manage to get trought the French-Canadian defence's but they got cut off in piece by the "Regiment du Berry"

@johnmacpherson9629

5 жыл бұрын

James Scott PISH!(There where REGIMENTS that where raised in Scotland at this time for Colonial Service.) Do you think the Black Watch was the only Scottish Regiment?. Try the Royal Scots(The Royal Regiment) 1633/2006 Oldest Infantry Regiment in the BRITISH Army. CLOWN!.

@thewheelchairhistorian3424

4 жыл бұрын

Sir, in this line company in this video is mostly made up with the 42nd Highland Grenadiers, but beside and behind the officer is a company of the 60th American Grenadiers.

@1101millie97

4 жыл бұрын

Not even Robert's Rangers?

Montjoie Saint Denis!

"Silk patching will give you an extra 40 yards."

I live not too far from where this battle actually took place (the movie was filmed in North Carolina I believe). You can visit a completely faithful re-build of Fort William Henry in Lake George. Pretty cool if you’ve never been.

Hollywood film where the redcoats are actually accurate and competent? Whoa.

The first time I see in a movie the red coats shooting straight )) Respect from a fellow spaniard

Sweet Mary and Joseph, I love this scene! I pity Men who haven't had the chance to fire a real flintlock....it gets into your blood like nothing else.

Major Heywood has his flaws but he is definitely not a coward. Balls of British steel

@killer3000ad

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, later during the massacre of the column that leaves the fort, Heyward is shown commanding a group of redcoats to cover the rear right before the ambush.

just dropping in to see how you boys is doin.

We need more movies about the French and Indian War.

@thewheelchairhistorian3424

4 жыл бұрын

I'm planning to, when I grow up. I'll try making it authentic as possible.

As a still proud, U.S. military Veteran (Army), I still have to confess, as in here, i have never, ever, heard a, or any, kind of command of "eyes center"; however, and, in here and also in this seeming, impending, overwhelming, unexpected, full frontal attack, I can see why alesd officer, here, would not want want his troops focused on what lies ahead, but rather, on him and his commands, voice, orders, only....

thats some amazing accuracy for a musket, love this movie though,first watched this when i 10 years old.

We were unstoppable in those days..still, its good to see that some things never change, we still have the best army in the world.

@wetlettuce4768

6 жыл бұрын

While the Royal Navy was no doubt the very best back then the land forces not so much I'd even go as far as to commit treason and claim the French had a more powerful land army...

@robertfatoulatchi9482

6 жыл бұрын

Stuart Thorne lol

@alvarocarrazon4800

6 жыл бұрын

Unstoppable were the spanish. Brits and french fought for the leftovers...

@Emnesty524

6 жыл бұрын

Britain had a solid ground army ( the guys that actually fought) but the commanders where almost like apes, very rich apes

@williampoole1742

5 жыл бұрын

Wait are you trying to say that England's current army is better than America's?

I've seen a man in real life hit a watermelon from 350 yards with a Kentucky long rifle. This scene's rifle accuracy is unlikely but not outside the realm of possibility.

@fujimi715

2 жыл бұрын

No you haven't. Any hit at 350 with one of those is pure luck. Stop believing the ancient folklore stories. Primitive rifles and muskets were horribly inaccurate by modern standards and were good to about 100 yards to hit a man sized target

@danielomar9712

2 жыл бұрын

primitive Rifles were still that , rifles they were a hassle to load but they did the job as a Hunter's tool and if necessary , were a temporary sharpshooter's friend

Just 60 extra seconds make such a difference to the film. Only to be cut.

such a great movie thanks

Not impossible shooting, but very difficult with 18th century firearms technology.

@Blueboy0316

9 жыл бұрын

Many factors go into making a shot; there might have been a few more grains of powder, the wading might have been packed tighter, the wind might have blown it the right way, the target might have stepped to the left or right and the shooter's breathing and steady hand are factors as well. Not impossible, just very difficult.

@0TheWeatherman1

9 жыл бұрын

***** Actually, the Prussians and several others (including myself) have tested the effective range of a smoothbore musket. Their findings, as well as my own, found that the efficiency of the muskets peaked at 150 yards. On top of that, you are looking at about 40 men firing at a target that has is still deploying and bunched up. Not an impossible target in the slightest.

@0TheWeatherman1

9 жыл бұрын

***** My b. The shooting Hawkeye is doing might only be possible unless the guns were rifled or that he has used the gun so much that he knows where it usually shoots. That being said, Hawkeye having the expertise to know the characteristics of each gun he is being handed is also extremely impossible.

@7527crater

8 жыл бұрын

+cmtmj2006 But isn't that the whole point? The British (Brown Bess) and French (Charleville) muskets were smooth bored like a shot gun and hence were inaccurate and had to be used in volleys at short(ish) ranges to be effective. The American long rifles, also known as Kentucky rifles, were much more accurate as they were longer barrelled and rifled - spinning the ball resulted in a flatter straighter trajectory. A fact the British were to discover to their chagrin during the revolutionary war.

@commandplay

8 жыл бұрын

+MallarRallam If you are referring to the sniper shots at the end of the video, I believe he is using a kentucky rifle. Which has a rifled barrel for accuracy. A common firearm for American settlers of the time.

THIS was the first actual world war. These soldiers are from two nations that sent troops across thousands of miles of water and through hundreds of miles of vast forests to battle over who got to control North America. Meanwhile, fighting also took place in Europe, the Caribbean and India!

@Emnesty524

6 жыл бұрын

valar I told that to my history teacher, she told me that is not considered a world war since nobody fought in the pacific ocean

@boozantine

5 жыл бұрын

@@Emnesty524 The British took Manila from the Spanish, so there was indeed fighting in the Pacific.

@bigbake132

5 жыл бұрын

The 7 Years War is really the first "World War" even if its not called that.

@boozantine

5 жыл бұрын

@kizz You're right in saying that the scale of the Seven Year's war was nothing in comparison to that of the actual World Wars, bigbake is indeed correct in saying that with all consideration, the Seven Year's War was the first European war where there was fighting not only for the sake of colonies but in the colonies themselves on an unprecedented scale.

@scottm8292

4 жыл бұрын

The Seven Year's War is sometimes referred to as World War 0

This movie is so exciting...There was so much sacrifices in those days ..