Hey everyone! I missed the Jumpman eyelets. The retro is plastic and the OG is metal. Thanks for watching and for subscribing!

@Nosebleedsandunderdogs

2 жыл бұрын

Metal looks cool til it scuffs against the side of the car when driving. Then the sneaker is ruined.

@dantheman1194

Жыл бұрын

Bro like i remember when these first hit the store it was crazy man this was amust have in 97 i forget if this came with the poster to i believe they did correct me if im srong i still jave my OG 3s fire red and og 4 breds

97 too young to work, parents won’t buy them = ❌ 2004 broke high school kid = ❌ 2012 newly married with young children, different priorities = ❌ 2022 doubled up shawty = ✅✅

@IsMoKeDgRaPeS

2 жыл бұрын

Bagged them thangs 04 with that college refund check!!!!

@CurlyCrown

2 жыл бұрын

Ayeee 💪🏾💪🏾 Testify lol

@iAm_VeeZy_V_13

2 жыл бұрын

My life! 🤣

@morty215fightclubbringyour7

2 жыл бұрын

Lol you must me 37 or 39 lol

@sebastienc.2257

2 жыл бұрын

Same except I was sleeping and only tried on snkrs. I was on Kith just staring at my cart

The shape of the OG is simply beautiful

The shape of the mudguard on modern 12s just sticks out to me every time I look at them. Not nearly the same height, and the curve near the toe box isn't the same.

@Dcox720

2 жыл бұрын

Quality control /wear testing doesn’t exist at Jordan brand. Too many inconsistencies between pairs to charge $210 +. I’m sure Jordan brand can afford to make shoes just like the OG …They just choose not to.

Great video and comparison, as usual. I also got my pair for $200 at Shoe Palace. I had the taxi in 97 and am very pleased with this release. My first 12 in 25 years. thanks for sharing.

I always look forward to your comparison videos

Great video, and great comparison as always Marvin thank you!

Best content. Exactly what I was waiting on

Love the comparison, brother... another excellent video!!

thank you for this video

Great video! Thanks for the awesome content!

Love these and bring good memories too

I thought they did a reasonable job on these. I doubled up. One thing I noticed is that the tumbled leather seems to vary from pair to pair. One of my pairs is heavily tumbled like yours, the other one much less so. Thankfully both shoes in each pair match.

@shorty1103

2 жыл бұрын

When you cut fabric depending on where you cut especially leather it wont be the same. Sone will be textured some parts will feel somewhat like smooth almost seude-like. I also doubled up. One coming in the mail.

@MansaX

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. One of my pairs the left foot isn't plush at all on the lateral side but the medial is buttery. One other thing that has me scratching my head is at hibbett they were $200 and footlocker and snkrs they were $210.

I really like the SHOES, THANK YOU FOR SHARING.

Great video pretty close they did a good job on this year's release,💯💥

I hit on two raffles and didn't need snkrs this time and I'm keeping both as these are my favorite 12's. My pairs both have soft leather 💪🏾

Excelent video hermano 👌 ! New suscriber!

Great video bro 👍🏽

Welcome back!

This video was an asmr experience for me.... relaxing 😌

100% agree on being disappointed with the lack of quality on the carbon fiber shank plate. Very small thing but the “brush strokes” cf is drastically different than your OG pair and what I remember from the 2004 retros. Overall, very satisfied with the shoe and double-up on these.

@VintageDonny216

Жыл бұрын

Facts 2004 Was The "Perfect" Retro Closest To 1997 Pair I Had The 2012 But The Quality Was Horrible So I Gave Em Away Now On The Hunt For 1997 Pair & Black Red XII's To Cpmplete The Set Recently Got The OG Obsidian XII & White/Black White/Red From 1996-1997 Released

Yessssir.. im just glad these videos are back to cleanse the palette of noise and nonsense.

Can't wait till you open a museum with all this info love your videos man

When I bought the og 97 playoffs I ditched my final exam junior year to get them at 9am when they released

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of cats did that and then they returned by lunchtime to flex for 6th and 7th periods lol. Those were the days.

The appreciation is just awesome! Thank-you. Thoughts on the AJ36, Infrareds? Mine are still in the box. Very impressed. Can't stop rocking my Psychic Energy. In hand, they're superb and this after I was kinda meh on the silhouette when they first came out.

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

I’m looking forward to the Infrareds. I like the 36.

@rickroberts7611

2 жыл бұрын

I want em

Just received my pair today I was so disappointed with the quality of the mudguard on these it felt like fake leather and like you said the print is just faded off I really thought Nike sold me a fake pair till I seen this lol thank you 💯

Love what Jordan Brand is doing with all the Retros lately. Just not a fan of the Puffy Skate board style Ankle Collars; They did the same thing on the 2018 or 2019 Black Cement 3’s. Other than that Retros are starting to get as good or better than the OGs (as they should). Great video; thanks for the Content!

@Panama00807

2 жыл бұрын

Yessir. People complain but the newer retros have been way better. I had the 2012 playoffs and they were terrible compared to these.

saw inflation from 1997 to now 140 back then was equivalent to 245 now so maybe its not as bad as we think

Nice into music

They Good With 2022 Pair & All No Shade To That Retro But 97' Pair Still A Winner Nice Pick Up Marv

What about the size of the zoom and comfort when u wear them though? Or u just never wear these?

So do you always have letchon paksiw after new year? :) great review

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

Not always

Larger portion of that white toe overlap on the retro & tongue.

All my pairs have great lizard embossing

Those ogs cannot be touched that leather is amazing!!

I wanted to get these, and thought they came out on Saturday. Guess I'm not much of a sneakerhead after all!

Beautiful shoe, already regret selling mine..

FIRE FIRE FIRE 🔥

Damn, these joints was $210 on SNKRS. I could only get a pair for my son, they came almost 3 weeks after release date, and they are not all that for that amount of money. Still kinda of mad I didn’t get a pair but the xiii’s hitting soon

How did you store those original playoff 12’s to be that old and I’m that amazing of condition!!!! Unreal

@mjo23dan

Жыл бұрын

Climate controlled room out of sunlight in a dark space

Yea I heard about that $200 retail thing like wtf I got robbed by snkrs app then

I just got mine from SNKRS and no MSRP tag

The materials on the og’s were always better and the first retros weren’t too bad! But the newer retros r getting cheaper every release

@kingdonny2169

2 жыл бұрын

Facts They're Cheap & Generic These Days People Just Buying Everything Plus Quality Been Terrible For Years Now That's Why I Get The OG Pair No Matter How Bad The Shoe Is When You Restore Em It Will Be 100x Better Than Retros They Put Out

Looking back, quality control was bad on these.

Same thing happened to me today to in Sacramento at Arden mall . Champs charged me 210$ plus tax and Shoe Palace charged me 200$ plus tax .

@jasonlafrance5190

Жыл бұрын

I have og pair dead stock those plastic tabs that say Jumpman are all cracked. I need to replace the tabs and reglue the soles other that they are all good.

@mjo23dan

Жыл бұрын

When you pull the soles, check on those air units. They may need to be replaced.

U kno…when the retro 11 ie came out a few months back they were 190$ on sneakers, but I ended up getting mine at the outlet for 175$ and that was the retail on the box compared to footlocker and the sneakers app Smfh!

You can't compare box sizes. I worked at a sporting goods store in the early 00s and same shoe would come in wildly different size boxes I remember this distinctly because it sucked stocking nikes back then because size 9 would have a bigger box than the 12s or visa versa. Such a pain.

i watch all your videos you have multiple pairs of OG jordans all DS, do you ever wear any of them.

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

I have a separate rotation I wear. Most times I’ll buy doubles of stuff I pick up so I can wear and keep one pair on ice.

On they went down on the price I'm surprised they didn't do the whole $220

They done switched it up. Retailers gon charge whatever with the MRSP gone.

Same thing with shiekh, they charged me only 200

The OG shap of the 12's was much better back then to me the retro to me looks flat to me

Knowing what i know now i would save my mikes and no go so hard in them 😂😂

Waiting for mine to be delivered..Seems like it's been a month🤣

Top 10 shoe ever made

Honestly, the lizard mudguard on the 2022 is so soft and I disliked it. I felt like one single bump on it would tear it lol I’m just waiting for the taxis to re-release.

The fatter panels on the upper has a higher cut on the retros and in my opinion it does throw off the asthetic of 12's. The white leather panels just make the shoe a little off. Kinda like the concord 11's from 2012 where the patent leather panel is too low. But instead the white leather upper panel has a higher cut. It just doesn't look right. I'm cool with JB making slight changes with colors to differentiate from prior releases but not the size of the cuts of materials whether it's leather, patent leather, etc.. Shape of the shoe is extremely important too. When JB messes with these things it's a serious bummer. I'm still gonna cop but it's always a bummer knowing these subtle differences lol

Surprised u didn't touch on the toe box shape, the difference in eyelet placement (closer to the toes on OGs) and the padding in the "ribs" on the side being thicker on the OGs. Also the original wrap inside the box of '97s is black plastic. I own two pairs, one DS never been laced and the other worn and both are plastic wrapped, not tissue paper. As per usual, the retro doesn't come close as JB refuses to remaster the J12.

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

Depending on mo/yr of production, I’ve seen both white and black tissue paper. Thanks for pointing out toe box. I also forgot to touch on eyelets at the top that have continued to be plastic since the OGs were metal. I noted that in a pinned comment here on YT.

Nothing compares to the og at all an I grew up when these shoes came out glad they retro but nothing can be the og

We don't care!!! Resellers made it hard to get the shoe for retail 🎯

I like the grandma analogy mom just can’t get it right lmao I think she tries harder than Nike tho

Awesome video. How were able to keep the OG pair from the soles turning yellow? Thank you in advance!

@mjo23dan

Жыл бұрын

Just kept in the box in a temperature controlled room in the closet.

Why is the jumpman on the retro like a stick figure??

@mjo23dan

Жыл бұрын

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What material is that on the back midsole?

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

Phylon

@ryand9685

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjo23dan Thank you for the info. Any idea on how to clean it? I have some shoe cleaner embedded in mine from cleaning

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryand9685 I don’t really use shoe cleaner I just use simple dish soap and warm water nowadays.

$140 210 can kick rocks

@kingdonny2169

2 жыл бұрын

Back Then It Was $135 Or $140 Depends Where You Bought It From I Didn't Had Em In 97' But Quality Was Greatest We Couldn't Get Em At The Time Because The Household I Was In Focused On Clothes In Our Backs Food On The Table And Rent To Pay

I got 4 pairs two mens two gs

Damn the 1997 ogs deadstock? Have you ever tried them on, just curious if the air unit has popped...im sure it has i would think. Let me know if you know thanks

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it’s DS. Back then I used to double up on pairs so this particular one I kept on ice. Most of these now are just display but I could very well have them restored if I REALLY wanted to rock them. The airbags I’m sure are shot due to age.

@waltw8230

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjo23dan Yes they very well can be restored. I just ask cause I’m in the process of doing that now. Both 1997s I got air units were popped. Might do new ones or do silicone not sure yet. Keep up the videos I enjoy watching your comparisons.

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

I would look into used Air Jordan 12s within the past 5-10 years if you could. Always try to replace with air units before filling the holes. Air makes a world of difference.

@waltw8230

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjo23dan yes eBay has oem full length zoom air units 20$ most likely going that route

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve seen those around. Not sure the quality but worth a shot. Good luck!

Is the metal eyelets the same or is the need one plastic?

@MrCoBaker

2 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say, how did he miss that. I was also curious too about that.

@TheDudeAbides1998

2 жыл бұрын

?luv C- the 2022 is plastic.

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I missed it but they’re plastic. They haven’t done metal since the OG

@MrCoBaker

2 жыл бұрын

I figured they were plastic, just like every other retro, but for $200-ish, they should go back to the metal eyelets.

Your original isn’t laced to the top like the retro. Laces probably pretty close in length. Great review overall.

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

Nah. Laces then were extra long. Trust.

The 2022 are better and not because it’s newer just a better looking shoes. Plus SNKRS owe me $10 smh

Just FYI they are no longer putting prices on any of the boxes anymore whatsoever

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

When was this officially announced?

@user-jd5ls1ro9o

2 жыл бұрын

Proof?

They always make the retros shorter

How did your OGs not yellow? 🤣

You can see the shape difference just from birdseye view. Newer ones still a bit wider around the ankle and toe is still that awful banana shaped. If they just fixed the toe, just fix the damn toe Nike. Jeez. And stop with the plastic cheap shit. Same issue i have with the 5 tongues. I wish they use the old 3m material than the plastic feeling we get now. People love that overly tumbled basketball look whereas i prefer when the leather looks more smooth and raw.

big difference. og look exactly like the ones mj played in and not anything like 2022. however still good enough.

@jaydot4956

2 жыл бұрын

Bro they literally look identical to the og, you’re dragging it.

hahaha love the grandma recipe analogy was spot on. this shoe was the second jordan i ver bought as a 19 year old back in 1997 and stiII have them but they are no where close to how good you kept them. i like the new retro, i mean they got it much closer to the original then that 2012 release. the jumpman has gone from butcrack to no butcrack and has gone back and forth a few times. original 11s had a butcrack from what i remember. consider yourself Iucky not owning the other retros. they weren't that great, weII the 2004 was nice though. they got the Iizard print ok, better then the 2012 though. i love how they went to silver on the jumpman tab unlike the 2004 and 2012 retros. that varsity red on the OGs remind me of how the black and red 16s OG had a brighter red compared to the CDP 2008 pair. one thing about the outsole that i only saw in the playoff 12s is the sloppy painting around the black traction area, from 1997 to these 2022 they seem to do that. i think coIIectors like yourself are way more on point then brand jordan is with their own shoes. these sat for 2 days at arden maII and this must have been the easiest shoe to get in a while for myself. thank you for this detailed review.

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. I'm actually surprised they sat for a minute. They must've made a lot of them and Jordan Brand did a great job with this one. No major complaints other than the mild lizard impression on the mudguard but it's all good. Seems like the latest installments of multiple versions of original colorways tend to be spot on with the originals.

OG were heavier and bulkier, weren't friendly to play basketball unless you were like LeBron. New retro have cut down cost on materials coincidentally made the shoes more light weight which good for hooping.

@technicplay8959

2 жыл бұрын

I can’t believe OG were heavier and bulkier. Man what are you saying? It is impossible. Retro have a brick outsole, so cushionning is dead, OG zoom and foam were super comfortable, OG outsole had a more comfortable outsole, and leather was more smooth. Man are you serious 🧐

@4honor23

2 жыл бұрын

@@technicplay895912 is my favorite Jordan. I have had OG back 97 and owned/ played in each retro in the past. Of course Its my opinion and how I felt but you can have yours as well.

@technicplay8959

2 жыл бұрын

@@4honor23 impossible. I didn’t have the OG in 1997 but the outsole was not hard like the retro. Everybody on niketalk had ever said that the OG zoom was way better. I’m happy to get the 2022 but I just can’t walk in my room so how do you want I play with? I have the neophren and I sand the outsole during 20 hours for each shoes to diminish the weight and to get flexibility. Yes i could play bb with and they are good. But the 2022 are heavier and I will not do it again because it is terrible to do this and it is an OG cw. But it is like you tell me, air max CB 1993 are less good than the retro 2017!! But if you are right, I’m happy to learn than retro are more confortable, but it is the first retro to be more comfortable than an OG so I can’t believe it. OG >>> retro

Them not the og 1997 Jordan 12s they don't even look old they supposed to look old if the shoe came out in 1997 those probably replicas and you just saying that the shoes are from 1997 lol 😂

@mjo23dan

2 жыл бұрын

I’m a deadstock sneaker collector. The shoes are DS and have been kept on ice since 1997. Pay attention sucka. I’m tryina school you youngin

@shannonhilljr6713

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjo23dan lol now hold on sucka what fool buys shoes from 1997 and never wore them lol 😂😂😂😂

@kingdonny2169

2 жыл бұрын

@@mjo23dan Don't Pay Any Attention To These Generation Z They're Think That They Know It All Just Keep On The Comparison On The OG Vs Retro

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2 жыл бұрын

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2 жыл бұрын

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