this video makes me super happy as a 2nd year CS student.. can't wait to be an uber driver after I graduate

@stevejobless7108

4 ай бұрын

I’m in the same boat currently. I’m just trying to diversify experience by going for IT and more business related positions. It is what it is. Maybe when we graduate things are different. CS degree is still seen as relatively prestigious even if there aren’t development jobs open

@umeshofficial13

4 ай бұрын

Dont wait till graduation

@ololh4xx

4 ай бұрын

better yet : you'll write shitty webapps for random IT-service companies which use and abuse employees at high turnover rates. But, look at it like this : in the beginning of your career, absolutely every experience counts towards your overall qualification. After doing shitty jobs for about 3-5 years, you'll finally qualify for much, much better jobs, outside of the services sector. You will become a developer proper, then - with all the benefits you were hoping for. Just a few more years ... hold on, my guy - be strong.

@shawnmercado2219

4 ай бұрын

Drop out and go to trade school, I'm not kidding. I have 7 years of experience. 1500 resumes over the last year have gotten me a whopping one interview. From here on out, increasingly all the creative intellectual work will be done by computers. People will pretty much just be physical workers, tradesmen, and salesmen

@kraldada6557

4 ай бұрын

Just don't be stupid and go to Mechanical Engineering for your masters. Or Robotics. Just look around Mechanical Engineering and Robotics is going to be the next big thing. 100%

Damn, I have a ton of respect for you standing up for those struggling in the tech community. You're a real one

@SedBuildsThings

4 ай бұрын

i feel bad for the actual imposters (imo about 60% of front end) out there getting talked out the imposter syndrome they absolutely need to have to get better.

I did bootcamp last year, the bootcamp is now closed (after being open for 10+ years), they used to have 85% of students employed 3 months after graduating. Their source of income was the employers. Now, 1 year on, most of my cohort still aren't employed. The bootcamp is closed, and that beautiful optimism looks dark

@CaliburPANDAs

4 ай бұрын

name of bootcamp?

@Moch117

4 ай бұрын

Dont do bootcamps its all a scam

@nulI_dev

4 ай бұрын

@@Moch117 False there are some good ones

@yunleung2631

4 ай бұрын

Never believed in them. How much camaraderie can you really build with people who you only spend a few weeks with?

@TheAcademik

4 ай бұрын

@@yunleung2631 I'm still friends with a large chunk of my cohort (and some of the cohorts after me.) 2017 botocamp grad

Influencers are contributing to the problem. Do you remember those "Day in the life of a FAANG developer" videos that were so popular? They made programming seem easy and everyone could make a six-figure salary while working on a MacBook in a coffee shop.

@kspfan001

4 ай бұрын

no

@jamiegetty7011

4 ай бұрын

​@@kspfan001 Elaborate, please. You can't just say "no' and expect people to understand your point.

@imeakdo7

4 ай бұрын

In a gold rush, you sell and advertise pickaxes you don't go mining. Those videos were made during the pandemic tech rush

@gigitrix

4 ай бұрын

People have chased the CS bag for at least a decade before "influencing" was a thing. Supply and demand.

@travissmith2127

4 ай бұрын

It's not the influencers behind it. Big companies exaggerated demand when they had money to burn. It looked good to investors when you hired a lot of people so that's what they did. Currently investors like to see downsizing, so that's what will happen. The way modern corporations work, the only thing that matters are the numbers at the end of the next quarter, they don't really plan beyond that.

I graduated last year and it took me until now to finally land a role. It wasn’t even skillful. A recruiter called me up and of the available candidates, I was the one who could start the earliest. Now I make $19/hr packaging laptops for new employees of a company. I’m so glad I got a 4-year degree for that.

@imeakdo7

4 ай бұрын

That's what a computer engineering role in many countries does

@AschKris

4 ай бұрын

@@imeakdo7 and it sucks edit: unless you like to do that, in which case, more power to you.

@t_sizzler_2032

4 ай бұрын

That sounds an awful lot like Best Buy lol

@Omar-kl3xp

4 ай бұрын

What kind of job is that ?

@greglane501

3 ай бұрын

The American dream...

You are 100% correct about the mass applications. My company put up a posting for a tech position and got 2,000 applications in 1 day, after which HR forced us to take down the posting.

@Luther_Luffeigh

4 ай бұрын

wow 😯

@sn3lling

4 ай бұрын

That is crazy and make's me feel blessed that I have a position and am not looking.

@fark69

4 ай бұрын

Have been told similar stories internally at FAANG. The lower level jobs have so many applicants they no longer accept referrals at those levels

Eng Dir here. It’s a slaughter house atm. I’m basically a glorified staff eng now, who has teams a quarter their original size. Had to merge multiple teams and cut mgrs or have them be glorified tech leads. Everything is running at a snail pace and they expect us to ‘chatGPT’ our way out. Our devs are now also security, SREs, qa, and support and I haven’t been able to payout bonuses or give raises. And this as isn’t a small operation, we’re global. They’re waiting until they can sell or covert their entire tech dept into one guy with a ChatGPT subscription. Anyone who says it’s easy is full of s***

@insertoyouroemail

4 ай бұрын

Huh? I'm legitimately baffled. They think ChatGPT will build and maintain their software?

@horsethi3f

4 ай бұрын

​@insertoyouroemail eventually it might just do that unfortunately

@CHURCHISAWESUM

4 ай бұрын

@@horsethi3fHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

@tools.shoe.country.quickly

4 ай бұрын

@@insertoyouroemailprobably not for a while, but businesses will force it anyway

@PoeticPoppa

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. I am at a company and realized that I am doing application admin/support (a full-time job), procurement (another full-time job), and project management/sales support (yet another full-time job).

same problem is happening in cyber security. entry level jobs are asking for mid senior level certifications and and 2-3 years experience like... i haven't even graduated college💀

@tracyrreed

4 ай бұрын

Cybersecurity is not an entry level job. Get a few years of IT experience first.

@Craig-Be

4 ай бұрын

Why are there cyber security courses in colleges and universities ​then? @tracyrreed

@PuntiS

4 ай бұрын

@@Craig-Be because colleges want students and money (be it profit directly or grants) first and foremost, and that doesn't necessarily equate to employed alumni. If they see an economic incentive to open a major, they will, even if the long-term "employability" of those students doesn't hold. Considering that your average student is barely 18yo, the way they advertise college is pretty much a scam.

@itsJoshW

4 ай бұрын

The key to getting a job in the tech industry is to apply to entry level jobs. Cyber Security, or Information Security, is not entry level. Entry level is Help Desk. You start at the bottom, then work up. I'd also argue programming is also entry level, which makes this video all the more arbitrary -- I've watched countless of jobs appear online in my location with less than 50k offering for programming, and yet networking administration/engineers, systems administration/engineers, and technical application implementation/pm, along with cyber security, all provide far exceedingly above this pay range. You're likely to get an entry level security engineer job after a little experience within a companies help desk, but to consider it a "straight out of college" is a large chunk why so many people are unqualified for tech jobs in the first place. Most cheat to get their degrees, then after they get them. I've encountered in the last 5 years a large quantity of people with Computer Sciences degrees that called Ethernet 'eth-er"net (like the soft 'e'), didn't know what the event viewer was, or had no idea what a SQL Database was...let alone a VLAN or how to setup a firewall rule. Expecting these people to be in charge of systems which directly are related to profit in a corporation is entirely facetious. Simple plain point: If you want into Cyber Security, start while in college, not after. If you want to get into cyber security, then you apply for help desk in a company and wait for an opening, or stay for the year to gain experience, and slowly progress up. You can't expect immediate success because you have a piece of paper. For a secondary "lol", most of the highest paid tech jobs are unrelated to your typical computer science degree.

@tracyrreed

4 ай бұрын

@@Craig-Be Because it is a hot source of revenue for them.

I'm in my final semester of college right now, and I've been applying to jobs non-stop over the past few months, but I've have no luck and have yet to get an interview. It is extremely frustrating to say the least. I've solved like a 1000 problems on leetcode and worked on several projects but no one seems to want to give me a chance to prove myself. I'm not gonna give up though, because I believe in myself and I just need someone else to see that I am a valuable asset. Keep marching y'all!

@mestayno

4 ай бұрын

Let's go dude I like your energy

@samdroid37

4 ай бұрын

Stay positive and be patient. You're in a good spot. 😁

@Cris-xy2gi

3 ай бұрын

I needed this. Thank you.

@Schultz3

Ай бұрын

Any luck, champ?

@TanmaiNiranjan

Ай бұрын

@@Schultz3 I ended up joining a unicorn startup, It’s been great!

Yea the guys saying its a skill issue either have a job or have no clue or both. Lots of people out there masquerading as good developers competing for these handful of jobs. I mean 1000s and add in the foreign developers in our job markets. Forget it.

@GoYoops

4 ай бұрын

Individuals who say it's a skill issue are unempathetic assholes, that's it. They can do a simple google search and see the number of laid off individuals plus new CS degree holders coming into the market, but they choose to put down people who are out of work instead. It's anti-social behavior.

@perc-ai

4 ай бұрын

I’m a better dev then you bro

@dustin.8695

4 ай бұрын

*than

@imeakdo7

4 ай бұрын

You probably are a CS student. Not saying it's a skill issue I just see CS students are pessimistic

@imeakdo7

4 ай бұрын

And yes things are hard

Web dev here looking for a job. Thank you for putting this out there, it's so true. I have 11 years in this space and I'm 330 applications in. It's brutal out there. The spam employers are getting is real!

@dmitrykim3096

4 ай бұрын

How much money do you ask

@bluecake4840

4 ай бұрын

@@dmitrykim3096 however much they can give at this point ig

@Moch117

4 ай бұрын

11 years and you have trouble ? How so

@dmitrykim3096

4 ай бұрын

I think it's more about salary, people do t want to get less money but I think they will have to in this era

@oshotz

4 ай бұрын

@@dmitrykim3096It has nothing to do with salary my dude, I've applied for 250+ regardless of salary since around September of last year (with some as low as $15/hr) I've had one SINGLE interview scheduled and it was canceled the week before because they found someone else

My first job in the tech space was also complete luck. My old boss just happened to be friends with a CEO that was looking for someone. I had built a lot of trust with my previous boss, not even working in tech, and that was enough for a recommendation and for the CEO to take a chance on me. There was never a public job opening for anyone else.

The problem is that tech people think this is a tech only problem. This is happening in many many industries as well. Interest rates are high which leads to lower investment and there was over hiring this isn’t a forever thing

Month 3 of my layoff starts in a couple days. I am a senior-level data analyst with a good resume and I would say reasonably good experience. 250 jobs applied to (many of them roles referred to me by people in my network). I think it’s 6 companies that asked me to interview. So basically a 0.2% interview rate. And as much as I want to go into how sorry I feel for myself, I really feel for the new grads/entry level folks. You guys were sold a lie on a tremendous scale, and now here we are in this unemployment circlejerk.

I like this side of you, Theo. You're absolutely right. Between when I graduated and and now, 15 years later, the market has no similarity. And people mean tweeting at the young kids just sounds so boomer.

Some people think nepotism is a skill

@chanjr

4 ай бұрын

“Pretending otherwise is delusional”

@jbca

4 ай бұрын

People everywhere always have preferred to hire based on trusted connections. You can complain about it if you want but you need to acknowledge it if you want to understand the reality of the market.

@lacku2677

4 ай бұрын

It literally is. It's social skills, something that software engineers lack.

@xxxxx409

4 ай бұрын

@@lacku2677 I switched to computer science from business and stopped going out as much

Those layoffs lists do not count a smaller scale incidents like 2-4 people laid off. In my company of 60-something 4 people have been recently fired as there was no projects for them.

@zombieguy

4 ай бұрын

Yeah was thinking the same as well when checking out that website, I've been at two smaller end places that completely shut up shop for tech roles in 2022 and 2023. There is also the whole other dynamic of places just straight up not hiring people anymore or stopping wage growth, very crappy times tbh.

@darekmistrz4364

4 ай бұрын

I know of a fintech company that laid off 24 people (mostly software engineers and product managers) from 100 and it's not on that list.

@darekmistrz4364

4 ай бұрын

@guymontag5084 Effects of firing vs layoff depend on the country or the contract type. For many cases it's the same thing and doesn't affect unemployment benefits

Soon enough these companies will have the same issue as Boeing. When you prioritize profits over product and people, you will encounter disaster.

@slamislife74

4 ай бұрын

CxOs are simply too focused on short-term profits to learn from history

@internetpointsbank

3 ай бұрын

Cut the bloat like twitter

Started college during Covid and only now realizing how many things and connections I missed out on during that valuable time. I’m now graduating with loads of extremely diverse experience from internships in tech. I have strong resume for a fresh grad, that would land me an amazing job in tech 2-3 years ago. Now I’m just struggling to get an interview. Something that helps me is the fact that I have Computer Engineering degree, and probably the reason I have a good offer after graduation from my most recent internship.

@club2772

4 ай бұрын

The connections that should matter the most are with higher ups. So… probably your fomo isn’t as bad as you’re thinking

@itsJoshW

4 ай бұрын

The "I'm struggling to get an interview" is directly because you're applying for jobs you are not qualified for. People need to realize that you aren't going to get a job in this field immediately. You work at the bottom, and you work your way up. Tech is one of the only industries that exists where the "american dream" philosophy (where hard work and experience) pays off. You start at an entry level position, despite your connections and your internship, because the employers do not care about what you did in college lol. My first tech job required me to apply to over 100 different jobs in the course of a month, with only a handful of call backs and only a few offers. That was over 10 years ago now. This market hasn't changed. What's changed is clickbait and peoples misunderstanding of what they're qualified with no experience.

@rileyandersen1706

4 ай бұрын

I can't even get an interview at Walmart let alone any entry level technical roles. "only a few offers" what world are you living in?@@itsJoshW

@imeakdo7

4 ай бұрын

In many countries, computer engineering degrees can be disqualifiers for things not related to repairing things or some form of tech or it support

@darekmistrz4364

4 ай бұрын

@@club2772 Agreed, graduated in 2016 and I don't keep a single connection with people from my University. And I studied on weekends so most of them were already working in IT at the time.

I took half a year off and started looking for jobs again. It's tough out there. And I'm a good developer with some really solid projects shipped under my belt.

@ChineseRatfaceCHANG

4 ай бұрын

We all think we are "good developers". Most of us in reality arent.

@rumble1925

4 ай бұрын

@@ChineseRatfaceCHANG Good enough to provide direct value and turn business requirements into working software. I did get a project at a really good place though since I wrote this. But the gold rush is over, I'm going to be writing software that is going to be used in a factory. The age of "facebook for dogs", "uber for dads" etc is over imo.

Once the videos of "my day in the life as a software engineer" became super prevalent on social media I knew that this day would come.

As someone who has had to take time after graduation to take care of my family (eg non-trad backgrounds), this problem feels even more extreme where the way I have been spending my time and growing is not easily translateable to a resume.

@LOL-kq2dd

4 ай бұрын

Fr bru, shit sucks so bad I gotta consider just joining the military

@bmcrak

4 ай бұрын

@@LOL-kq2dd I’d have already joined if I didn’t have crohns. Fuck

@antdok9573

3 ай бұрын

it would be interesting to crunch some numbers and find whether there are a lot of discriminatory issues being exacerbated in this current economy

As someone that has gotten their bachelors and master's in computer science and 2yrs of relevant experience thinking getting a job wouldn't be too hard, then going through the worst time job hunting, I really appreciate hearing this from you man! Thank you for putting it into perspective for everyone.

@darekmistrz4364

4 ай бұрын

Don't put that much focus on education. I recently interviewed someone with master's and it was embarrassing because he was barely able to write Hello World program.

@paglaith5561

4 ай бұрын

@@darekmistrz4364 I am sorry but that sounds fake. In which language did you ask them to write hello world program?

@zalty8556

4 ай бұрын

@@paglaith5561 hes exaggerating i hope but hes not wrong i knew some 2nd year cs students who couldnt print out a 3x3 # square on the console

@paglaith5561

4 ай бұрын

@@zalty8556 At least they know Hello World 💀

This video ruled Theo. We don’t always agree but this is definitely good to see you so passionate and doing the work on this issue.

I remember when I first started studying CS, nobody was doing it. Then it became trendy, and everyone wanted to be in Computer Science. Too many people saw the nice salaries and insane labor demand and thought it would be an easy career, and now the market corrected and it's now way too over-saturated, in particular full of people who don't actually care or have any passion about the industry and making quality software, they're just there to make money. Which is unfortunate to those who are truly in it because they're passionate about building cool stuff.

@maalikserebryakov

4 ай бұрын

If you’re so passionate and special then a bunch of indian script kiddies showing up shouldn’t hurt you. You should be outcompeting all of these jobbers.

This is the most realistic video I've watched so far on the job market.

Thank you so much for bringing this up man. As a software engineer that got laid off two years ago. Is even harder for me to succeed in the tech world. A lot of people actually say that it is important that you focus on one programming language or skill, but when you're in job hunting, you have to know it all and there is no time to master anything. Every job asks you for a different technology or coding skill and you will never feel enough. Up to this point, I'll say fuck it, I'll go and work for myself and build tools and apps tham can fulfill me instead of a fucking company...

@Opethefoodie

Ай бұрын

If you have a project you want to work on, let me know, I am looking for projects to join and co own

I worked in ecom management. Two years of studies and 2 more in a company. When i graduated there were hundreds upon hundreds of job ads on linkedin every month. This month ive found 5 in my entire country that are actually hiring for my role, while the rest are warehouse openings? Yea the job market is a interesting place

@Elkington7

Ай бұрын

Yeah, warehouse jobs will hire immediately, especially through a temp agency. That work is rough though, especially if you're 30+.

thank you. it took me 11 months to find the job i have now and i had so many ppl saying it was somehow my fault even tho i knew for a fact it wasnt

Thank you for this! Watching this video really made me realise how bad the situation is 😭

Up to 49,386 just 6 days later

@NeilMartin98

4 ай бұрын

Holy shit

@Omar-kl3xp

4 ай бұрын

No way , are there even that many jobs junior positions to begin with ?what kind of jobs are you applying for?

@harshjain3122

3 ай бұрын

At 75k now

"50 resumes deep"? A few months ago I was applying for jobs and it was more like 500-1000 just on indeed.

@timgibney5590

4 ай бұрын

Anyone can spam on indeed. Always pay for Linked IN Pro and never do the easy apply as they get drowned out and then message the recuiter. Many indeed posters are scam jobs that were filled over a year ago but never taken down

@wwjccsd

4 ай бұрын

That's the problem indeed isn't where it's at. You have to go through every site (Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, etc)

I am in the UK and the tech market is rough atm, 2023 was a stinker of a year and whilst 2024 things have picked up ever so slightly, it's still not in a good position. It's really tough at the entry level/grad/junior end of the scale as most roles are mid - senior level. People are saying companies over hired during pandemic etc etc, here in the UK, economic uncertainty is at an all time high and companies are reducing spendings etc.

im a programmer (or "developer") but i also make music and i see this dynamic with producers sending instrumentals to artists. these artists get sooooo many beats sent to them that they NEVER check their email or messages from new producers. As a matter of fact, i once sent a tweet asking people to send me instrumentals, i got so many emails i couldnt even check them anymore and im not even an established artist. replace artist with company and its the same situation. connections are EVERYTHING!

@istvanpraha

4 ай бұрын

oh I didn't know that! That's interesting. I would've thought it was the opposite because so much music feels like repeats of old stuff and feels so predictable. I wonder if most demos sound the same?

@prodbyryshy

4 ай бұрын

@@istvanpraha it's just because the volume (amount) of music made is so high that no one can really listen to all of it, regardless of how it sounds

@maalikserebryakov

4 ай бұрын

@@prodbyryshyso we need more Businesses less workers

@maalikserebryakov

2 ай бұрын

@@prodbyryshy We also don’t have good ways of Sifting through Music. No one really feels desparate to shortlist all the music in the world. So big companies will dominate

Theo, that truly helped. Thank you bro.

keep in mind the layoff numbers do not include contractors. So whatever number you see from "?" company layoffs, take that number and double it.

who's to blame? giant tech companies for overhiring (to fake their value and growth), influencers showing how easy the life of a dev is in giant tech companies (mostly because of the overhiring) and a blind conviction that AI is going to solve all problems (which will not).

The level of compassion, empathy and thoughtfulness you expressed in this video is a rarity ; especially amongst developers . Thank you ❤

Thank you Theo. Your words have calmed me

I've been out of work since November. It's nice to know that I'm not the only one struggling. Even when I do a technical assessment, there's ZERO room for error. The second you mess up, you're chalked off for someone else who doesn't flinch.

@ChristosChristides

4 ай бұрын

Αθηνα μενεις;

@KatharineOsborne

4 ай бұрын

God yes this. I have tons of anxiety doing code pairing tests and at best it makes me ‘slow’ and at worst I blank. I don’t have a chance with these and every one I do makes my anxiety worse. It’s awful.

@incarnateTheGreat

4 ай бұрын

@@KatharineOsborne oddly enough, I used to be able to do these fairly well; the exercises were practical. Now they're just Leetcode horseshit.

Very very hard in 2024 to find a tech job as a fresh graduate. Almost impossible with no connection / internship. I attempted to search a job on my own and got 1 call in over 100 applications. Even with a 4.3 GPA, volunteer work, multiple hackathons participation, multiple scholarships, engagement at school, a research project... I ended up asking people I knew and very quickly found opportunities, a friend referral and a job. Salary is 60k which isn't what was sold to me when I went in this field. But the current market is just atrocious

Im based in Ireland. The company I work for, which is a Cali based large tech company, has openly said that they are putting an emphasis on growing their international offices moreso than their US ones. This is often because they can hire CS grads at a fraction of the cost. My salary is about 1/3 of what they would need to pay a US based dev of the same experience, so theres a big incentive for bigger companies with international offices to look for talent in other countries.

@anthony4331

4 ай бұрын

Netapp? Have them on campus here basically every day looking for interns and grads

@The-Real-Jack

4 ай бұрын

@@anthony4331 workday

@DroisKargva

4 ай бұрын

This should be illegal. Someone without US work status should not be able to work for US company. If its "Illegal" for illegal immigrant to get the job in US without paperwork it should be illegal to hire outside of USA for USA company. This takes away jobs from USA

@skillgamer76

4 ай бұрын

@@DroisKargva why should this be illegal? the company sells worldwide so they can hire wherever they want

@The-Real-Jack

4 ай бұрын

@DroisKargva It is. That's not what happened. Workday also registered a company in Ireland, and the Irish employees work for that entity that is registered in Ireland. All multinational companies are free to register entities wherever they please and hire from whichever countries suit them, for better or worse.

This reminds me a lot of when I was in architecture school between 2006-2011... Experienced architects were applying for intern jobs while I was looking for my first internship... that was really discouraging.

@timgibney5590

4 ай бұрын

@@nonamenolastname8501 It is flipped back now that a recession has started. Commercial real estate projects have stopped

@kirillvoloshin2065

4 ай бұрын

​@@nonamenolastname8501 I see where it comes from, at least in my country being a dev without a degree rewards much more than being an engineer with university education. I have an electrical engineer degree (4 years professional program), worked as an industrial automation engineer for 3 years. Switched to IT via a bootcamp and already got around 2x as a junior dev. This is messed up so bad, it's crazy

@brandonmunda346

4 ай бұрын

Which country is that?​@@kirillvoloshin2065

There's a statistic from 2023 for IT jobs as a whole there was only 713 or something created for the entire year you can find it on the DOL statistics

The cold truth we all needed to hear, thanks for keepimg it real

I need to add that: being unqualified is not something to blame people about all the time, some times the market gets so saturated, and you skills are not enough even if you know a lot.

@maalikserebryakov

4 ай бұрын

brutally True.

Imagine running a startup at a time like this. You’d have access to ex-FAANG and top-tier talent at discount costs.

@bwhit7919

4 ай бұрын

@guymontag5084 I’m curious on the exact math on this. I’m sure now is a good time to run a seed startup. You could hire a team of five top notch engineers for $500k. But I imagine now’s a terrible time to run a Series B or C startup. But I imagine that Series B/C startups that got funding before interest rates went up are in the best state of all.

@TheDopeJackalope

4 ай бұрын

@guymontag5084Great insight.

@therealjezzyc6209

4 ай бұрын

Yeah but those people are gonna want to work st their previous salary range, so you're gonna spend loads on them cause they were overpaid, plus little VC funding and high interests rates mean you're gonna have a lot of trouble finding money to pay these people

@bwhit7919

4 ай бұрын

@@therealjezzyc6209 I’m sure they want to work at their previous salary, but if nobody else is giving them a job, I doubt they’d turn you down. It’s an employer’s market. You can get senior engineers at a discount. And if that doesn’t work, you can hire junior engineers for even cheaper.

@acies9408

4 ай бұрын

but no funding

Why is nobody mentioning that the number of layoffs is global AFAICT, whilst the CS student number is for the US? Just China and India by itself probably is around one million. And that's not even talking about layoffs.fyi not just tracking developer (some source articles don't specify the type of jobs at all, and at least one explicitedly includes a department like marketing). I know I am late to the party and nobody will see this comment, but as far as I can tell this video doesn't make any sense to me.

The other problem is that companies are actually garbage at hiring too. Experienced devs don't want to put up with leetcode grind bullshit and are more likely to just go find a job in a different industry than put up with that bullshit again.

Thank you for being realistic. Got my first dev job this year but it was hard. I even had connections with two principal engineers at a company one of which was a close friend with 20yrs experience who I code with regularly. Even then, I didn’t get an interview and lost the spot to someone who was internal within the company.

I think we can blame devs for the huge layoffs. All this automating stuff to make your life easier and AI has shown that we can get more done in the tech industry with fewer "more competent" developers.

Thanks for the insight! Wondering how much you think offshoring is to blame for the difficult tech job market?

Friendly reminder that not all tech jobs are at tech companies.

@jameszaccardo1520

4 ай бұрын

dude, everyone knows this.

@Toronto_Luddite

4 ай бұрын

And not all layoffs have been from tech companies. The numbers on layoffs.fyi are conservative based on verifiable reports. For every job still available at a non-tech company, there's probably been 3 layoffs at non-tech companies, and non-tech companies still aren't listing jobs

@IamusTheFox

4 ай бұрын

​@jameszaccardo1520 it may not always occur to people who are too close to the problem.

@user-ee1fn4vt8b

4 ай бұрын

If you think working in tech is dystopian, wait till you see how non-tech companies treat their tech people. Good for getting your "foot in the door" though if you're just starting your career.

me is good example. I graduated last year, still coulnot find a tech job. I applied over 600 job application and most of them are internship ( not even a real job), and rejected rate about 99%.

@lawrencemanning

4 ай бұрын

What is “tech job”?

@max5427

4 ай бұрын

Same

@wyphonema4024

4 ай бұрын

@@lawrencemanning steam

@jacoboulibarrena5275

4 ай бұрын

@@lawrencemanning @max5427 "tech jobs" are IT related jobs, such as web developer, coder...

How is this so different in the US than abroad? I applied for a DevOps engineering role at a huge national news company in my country just through their careers website like you said. They hired me after two interviews (one in person) while I was still doing my final internship before graduating. I have now graduated and am working there. How is it so different over there lol? Granted, tech jobs in the US pay way more than they do here, probably close to double (excluding the fact you'd have to pay for expensive things like a car commute and health insurance)

@ichbinhier355

4 ай бұрын

the problem are tech companies, the market is so saturated and people still want to get in. to find a job easier you should go for the non tech companies (like you did)

@user-ee1fn4vt8b

4 ай бұрын

Well, it would seem that not as many people are applying to the jobs in your country then.

MIT math grad here. Graduated in Feb 2020. Have had a few ML data scientist jobs. Mostly lasting only a few months. Last role was 11 months before surprise layoff. Been applying since November. Only two interviews after 1000 applications. No traction or leads. Unemployment is running out. I'm scared.

Yuuup, startup went almost bankrupt last July and we all got laid off. I can count on one hand the number of companies I’ve interviewed with since, and 12 months prior I was getting so many interviews it was a challenge (interviewing is exhausting). I’m a strong candidate but not the 99th percentile, at least not on paper. It’s not fun.

It's horrifying and i fully predicted it years ago when they started the bootcamps and i was hearing about all these waves of millions of high paying tech jobs you can do from home in the future, i knew it was gonna generate a flood of kids in CS and that flood was going to vastly overwhelm the demand at the time and i knew also that predictions of millions of coming jobs were bloated to say the least. There's nothing that can be done to fix this, these kids need to find alternative careers and those of us already in tech should really start thinking about alternatives or about setting up self-employment, even if you don't get laid off, your salary isn't going to be what you dreamed of or what recruiters from 5 years ago might been promissing, that era is gone, programming is no longer a high paying job and you're in competition with people in third world countries making pennies.

@0oShwavyo0

4 ай бұрын

That’s a wildly pessimistic take, programming jobs are still incredibly high paying compared to average salaries across all industries.

@liquidsnake6879

4 ай бұрын

@@0oShwavyo0 They won't be for very long, the biggest problem isn't even just the high amount of kids coming in and how everyone and their mothers are doing bootcamps and stuff, it's outsourcing and that's what was massively worsened by the Covid thing. Companies went full remote and now prefer to hire someone for pennies in Asia as opposed to hiring you in the USA for five times the money. When the company is remote anyways it makes no difference where the talent is, the competition pool is now global and that is going to lower the salaries massively if you're in a first-world country that used to have high wages in tech. If you already have a job they're not gonna lower your wage obviously, you'll just get laid off eventually and then forced to accept lower pay elsewhere as nobody will re-hire you for the same amount you were earning before, but supply and demand always win out, you cannot maintain high wages in a job where there are a lot of desperate applicants and not a lot of demand

@dekumutant

4 ай бұрын

​@@0oShwavyo0such a US brained comment

@jwoods9659

4 ай бұрын

There are no other jobs that pay this much sorry just aren't I can't make a living to regular stuff. With that said a lot of the folks as frontend boot camps. Also the companies we need companies and real solutions. Not just jobs adding a a extra camera to a phone

@0oShwavyo0

4 ай бұрын

@dekmutant I am in the US, just like Theo and probably the majority of this channel’s viewers. Besides, the same appears to be true for most European markets from a little cursory research. I’m not saying programmer’s are earning faang money everywhere, but the average software dev salaries are always higher than the average salary across all industries. They’re not low paying jobs by any means

So what do you recommend instead of the basic cold resume upload to a public role? Getting roles thought your network? I have almost 4 years of experience but little to no network

@maalikserebryakov

4 ай бұрын

Lol this is what being the quiet kid gets you you will rot alone 💀💀💀

@mikaeldahlqvist399

4 ай бұрын

@@maalikserebryakovWe'll all rot together

Yeah... For these reasons I still persist in my $3.6k/year IT job. (I am not working in US just translated the numbers for the general audience)

@SM-ok3sz

4 ай бұрын

$3,600 a year 😳 You make ~$10 a day?

@GxK37

4 ай бұрын

@@SM-ok3sz Welcome to the reality of other countries.

@vladyslavgooglya9902

4 ай бұрын

Holy cow... May I ask what country you work in? Because I work as a developer in Ukraine, one of the poorest countries in Europe, and yet I earn $700/month ($8400/year) in this poor-ass country during the war with russia, considering the fact that I have no commercial development experience and I'm not even a full-stack web developer (only backend on Node.js).

I just got a job thankfully. I was laid off in December. It is a tough market rn for sure. Tbf, it was a bit different than some of the other layoffs, since it was due to an acquisition

@kraldada6557

4 ай бұрын

my company got aquired... It will be resolved in couple months. I am quite not looking forward for the changes.

The Reality Of Tech Jobs in 2024 - kzread.info/dash/bejne/nGp4qZOHocrRg7g.html

The more I see the job market, the happier I am to have decided to work for the government. Even though wages can be a little bit lower (it depends, where I work it's actually higher), better work conditions and not being let go are excellent advantages. I never felt threatened or pressured to overwork and I haven't worked a single weekend (10 years experience)

Maybe not up to par in terms of editing, but this is main channel worthy.

Where is the full video?

Are referrals from family members who have a good relationship with their managers still valid in some capacity?

And people always thought AI would replace the blue collar/Labour workers first....

mid-level dev here; been looking for a job for about 5 months now. Thought id be easier getting a job with some work experience under my belt.

@nemfreudexplica8021

4 ай бұрын

Same!!!

@eddiegomez4134

4 ай бұрын

@@nemfreudexplica8021 Good luck!!🤞

I’ve been laid off from my last 2 jobs at startups and can confirm last time was hard, but this time is much harder.

I appreciate this video A LOT

It's not like I'm unqualified, with 2 years of experience I don't even get technical interviews, 3rd time this week I got call from the recruiter that although I pass minimum requirements for the position they already have candidates with more years of experience, I guess I will look for internship because this is the only thing that I can get in this market

Now that some HR uses AI to handle the massive volume of applications, imagine how many resumes are discarded by the algorithm and there's no way to know why, no way to give a feedback. Looking for a job is dehumanizing nowadays.

@timgibney5590

4 ай бұрын

Beat the system. There are a few job serach tools that use the same algorithms. Basically the company says some busswords about CDI integrations, pipelines, and is obtuse. Create a cover letter with the same terms (do not cut and paste as AI will detect this). Change your verbs on your resume to match the buzzwords. Instead of performed X on upgrade to node.js say intregrated CDI with Pipeline on upgrade to node.js. Your phone will blow up :-D

@darekmistrz4364

4 ай бұрын

@@timgibney5590 wth is CDI with Pipeline?

@maalikserebryakov

4 ай бұрын

@@timgibney5590bro thinks he’s Light Yagami or smth

I mean what did people expect. 130k new CS degrees is already oversaturating the market. remove low interest rates and companies actually feel the need to make money and not burn billions staffing thousands of redundant positions or incompetent workers.

@maalikserebryakov

4 ай бұрын

Wise

Yeah it sucks, I had to redo this year since I failed to find an internship for 2 months. Sh*t's bad.

I wonder how the situation is for experienced devs. Planning to change my job in a few months after sticking to my company for almost 3 years now. It's my 4th job.

@kirillvoloshin2065

4 ай бұрын

if there are competitors with the same tech stack and in the same industry, recruiters are already in linkedin dms

I never see entry-level / recent graduate positions anymore. Only senior, lead, staff, and principle roles

I love the brutal but honest attitude the video shows. In most other videos KZreadrs say: "oh, don't worry too much, just grind sending CVs to job openings and you will land something". How will you land something if you have to send a CV 1600 times just to have a decent chance of getting interviewed?

@ThePsycho211

4 ай бұрын

It really depends on where you live. This statement about sending CVs is actually true in Poland, at least it was last time I looked for a job. 4 years ago and 2 years ago. Sent maybe 15 cvs in total, got 4 inverviews, and after I got deal with one company, they invited me to 2 more but had to decline. Its harder with 0 experience, but you will still get offers, just expect to get minimum wage, or barely anything above that.

@kotekutalia

4 ай бұрын

@@ThePsycho211 What's your tech stack?

@ThePsycho211

4 ай бұрын

@@kotekutalia Like almost nothing, thats the funny part. I avoid anything web related, so currently its WPF/DevExpress and C++/C# only (swapped from gamedev, so we could add Unity with VR here). I could name more things but those would be only things I barely know.

@maalikserebryakov

4 ай бұрын

@@ThePsycho211yeah and you get paid in toilet rolls or smth caude its poland we need money not a job for a job’s sake

@ThePsycho211

4 ай бұрын

@@maalikserebryakov And I can get a massive dinner for the price of a beer in UK. Also, its better to do this than be entry level forever and not able to land any job because "we need money" - especially considering the fact that for where I live I get enough for everything I want. Its a you problem my friend.

Thanks for this. It’s hard rn

We just lost a big client where I work (18% of total revenue lost), so we need to do some layoffs. I'm a student who's been working there for the past 2.5 years and I really enjoyed working there despite the lower than average wages. Almost graduated, but with that news it seems less of a light at the end of a tunnel, but instead a big dark unknown pit... Not exited to have to start looking.

this is totally right and because of the Generative AI the jobs in the market have less value and they pay very less and I am specifically talking about the jobs market in tech industry. I have seen them throughout last year until now I’m still struggling to find a decent job.

Hi been in tech for 20 years and am back in the job market after a decade. It's rough out here. Auto rejections are being received for my 20 year old education and I'm being ghosted despite having a very strong resume, quantifiable deliverables, and great references. Entry level positions are requiring 5+ years experience. I'm finding so many fake or ghost job postings and I've seen that salaries are dropping. It might be a good time for me to leave tech. I just don't know what I'm qualified to do.

@timgibney5590

4 ай бұрын

Yeah. I saw senior level engineer positions going for 85k a year 😀. Redicilous. This is like 2009 all over again

@headlibrarian1996

12 күн бұрын

@@timgibney5590 Seems worse than 2009.

As a venezuelan trying my best to find a remote job is not just virtually imposible, for non Us residents folks this has gotten way worse, but I won't lose hope on finding a job

Well this just made me substantially more pessimistic about my job hunt than I already was. Time to seriously start thinking about selling my house.

software devs are exponentially more prevalent, and there’s a massive disconnect between the CEOs and hiring managers and the people looking for jobs, causing an even greater gap most of the people who study and graduate from my faculty want to be web devs, and nearly no company even wants them cause they’re full of them at first i wanted to make games and even my own engine, but then the market became highly saturated with slop now i’m focusing on bioinformatics and robotics, and i pray these positions won’t be taken by people who understand little about the complexity of genetics and nanotechnology

@beau981

4 ай бұрын

I'm curious how you could get into bioinformatics and robotics, I actually am interested in learning about more about nanotech. Do you have any good resources where I can actually develop a better understanding of them? Like papers, youtubers, books, etc?

@bronchiel

4 ай бұрын

@@beau981 this is all from my university, but i’ll make a reply with some materials and pointers it started with robotics first, then saw there was a course on bioinformatics, and now i’m taking classes that dive deeper into the human body i’m still at the baseline for all of this, but from what i’ve learned, you should absolutely learn about genetic functions - replication and translation, sequence alignment, and motifs - and if you’re interested in reading papers, there are a few interesting ones regarding CRISPR-Cas9, one of which is from just this february iirc, where it goes in detail about trials and the ethics of using this system for genetic modification, but also its advantages this is all i can give from what i remember, but i will make sure to follow up and put up some specific materials i’ve also seen a book or two at a local library about nanotechnology, so i’ll try to find its name and publishing date, however, this is still out of my range of knowledge, so i can’t guide you got this, as i am yet to take a class on this topic (which will probably be postgrad)

Half a million layoffs in the last 2 years is just insanity. I'm in game dev so I have that fun to contend with as well just now, but it's so disheartening before even applying seeing 2k+ applications for postings a day or two old, these layoffs don't even show the fact places are just cutting back as well or how pay has crashed. Fair enough I live in the UK but min wage for dev work requiring degrees, years of experience and several rounds of interviews can gtfo.

us + other countries layoffs, but point still stands

Going to the same college you did. It's refreshing to hear the truth.

we need an ai that classifies bull crap when someone tweets

@gradientcube

4 ай бұрын

Community notes usually seem to do a good job..

Ill just put in my 10,000 hours of making badass programs, just like I did in rocket league

literally black pilled rn. mid into a degree knowing all of these peoople are saturating tf out of the market

@doublesushi5990

3 ай бұрын

doesn't help when a guy like this spam-posts "coding" vids etc(400 vids on his main).

I've been looking for a job for 10 months. I have 5 years of experience as a QA engineer. Its been really hard being ghosted.

was that raycast? looks similar but not quite lol

It's so bad right now, that I've decided to go to college. I might be waiting 3-4 years to get a tech job anyway. I'm not sure how feasible it is to double major in comp sci and engineering. I want to open some doors to tech, traditional engineering, and llm's. I feel lied to having gone through two udemy courses and an online bootcamp.

So as a high school student actually interested in computer science is it better to find another major or to attempt to double major so that you can specialize (for example wanting to double major in biomedical engineering)?

@oopskid

4 ай бұрын

A double major sounds like a great idea. Regardless of the current climate, skills in CS is still highly valuable and computational science has a lot of buzz around it. From my current (limited) experience there's a large gap in skills between CS and natural sciences

@HeavyMetalorRockfan9

4 ай бұрын

What do you mean by interested in computer science? I don't mean offense but that description is far too vague for people to be able to give you useful advice. Honestly, the economy is shit, it might hopefully be a bit better by the time you finish - my general advice is to ignore 'career' aspect of everything and just get really good at something that holds your attention even if nobody is checking on you to make sure you're doing work. The quality required to get a job nowadays I would say is about 3 times higher than what it was say 5 years ago, and I don't see that going away, because AI tools genuinely can replace low quality entry-level employees. That, and be sure to go to networking events your university offers, get your resume reviewed, and you should make some sort of basic project by the end of your first semester that shows that you can code - don't make it one of the default tutorials you can follow.

@stevejobless7108

4 ай бұрын

I think most college students would never recommend a double major. You are either spending double the time in college or throwing away your social life entirely.

@hhvhhvcz

4 ай бұрын

physics, math or something of that sort - like if you're in US, i think you're able to have like smaller degree or something so you can do that as CS. It's gonna pay off because both of these types end up in tech as devs anyways BUT they're valued for their insight outside the box and ability to understand complex system, i.e. you gonna have easier time in finance companies (im former physics grad)

@lawrencemanning

4 ай бұрын

Move down the stack. Start by ignoring the web crap. It changes too often and will be/is AI’d to hell.

Did you check the hirings number?

My recommendation is to go find developers and entrepresneurs and meet up with them in person. Build personal projects. Computer science has so many different fields within it. Once you find it go on in and find others that are doing the same thing. Professional connections are very important.

man, got me super nervous as an upcoming Information Systems grad...

I think about this a lot, too. I have no degree but I studied math/computer science for years while I worked small jobs like a grocery store and warehousing. I got my first data analyst role because I talked to someone at my warehouse job about math and that opened up a network of connections which lead me to my first job. That slowly progressed into data science where I am today and it's easier to find opportunities because of the connections I've built. This happened about 7 years ago. If I imagine myself starting over in today's world, it's incredibly difficult with so many people trying to break into the industry and seemingly all these opportunities being reduced. I empathize with all the new grads struggling out there; stay strong, friends.

I also believe people put themselves into a corner and refuse to apply to other branches and only want to be in "big tech". Of course the market is then going to be competitive and hard to get into, if most likely all of your competition is gunning for the same jobs. Personally, I wouldnt even want to touch big tech or the big FAANG companies with a 10 foot pole, but also because being European I would probably hate the work culture regardless. Or atleast, that's how I've noticed it. The layoffs all are basically only in that area of the job, meanwhile there's so many other branches to step into that are just as (if not more) interesting and challenging. The only real difference usually is compensation, but even then if compensation is the main reason to get into it then I already dont believe it to be right fit for many people to get into.

@dekooks1543

4 ай бұрын

came here to say that. This is very silicon valley centric. There's an entire world out there outside of big tech

Im close to finishing my ccna and now I'm scared of trying to get into tech. I don't know if I should stop and try to get into health care which seems like it has a better job security than tech.

@olympic-ass-eater

4 ай бұрын

Healthcare is more stable

@user-ky4qh7hj3b

4 ай бұрын

@@olympic-ass-eater :( that sucks. I spent so much time trying to get ready for the ccna and I was planning on getting the ccnp right after.

@maalikserebryakov

4 ай бұрын

@@user-ky4qh7hj3b Think about itc literally every human alive needs healthcare. Its necessity is not rooted in business as is the case with every other subject like engineering, CS etc Its rooted in Human existence. The fact there’s 8 billion people alive means healthcare is a stronger career than ever :)