Dr. Crawford is such a genuine and humble character with such a passion for his work, that I find myself watching his work despite not being particularly interested in nordic culture and language.

@jasmadams

2 жыл бұрын

I particularly liked when he drew parallels between Norse poetry and Western literature. When he mentioned Tombstone's humour, I immediately jumped to Doc saying "I stand corrected Wyatt, you are an oak!"

If Simon were there too, all war would end as the immense power combined.

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Haha if only. But our friend Simon shall surely be in a video with us some day.

@jeancaton6281

2 жыл бұрын

It looks like Jackson already stole one of Simon's shirts...

@jwaxmcgeeg9706

2 жыл бұрын

I regret to ask, but who is Simon?

@Galenus1234

2 жыл бұрын

@@jwaxmcgeeg9706 => Simon Roper, a youtuber focusing on English linguistics

@jwaxmcgeeg9706

2 жыл бұрын

@@Galenus1234 I appreciate your response. Thanks

That felt like 15 minutes, we need a part 2.

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Click the bell icon on both our channels, and you shall see.

Damn it, Luke! Just when I need to study for exams you release this legendary crossover. Curse you both for this!

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

I hope it shall be an inspiration to that end

@underaveragecuber7437

2 жыл бұрын

@@polyMATHY_Luke It certainly was. Bestu kveðjur!

I've been subbed to Jackson longer than to Luke but only now am I learning he has a passion for poetry and not just the language in general >

Macbeth- sound and fury, a charmed life, come what may, the be all and end all, one fell swoop, a sorry sight

There’s this whole secret level of Jackson Crawford regarding Plains Indians including their languages that only seeps through into his KZread work very rarely.

So awesome seeing this duo talking together on the screen, as I have been a fan of both for a while. Keep up the good work and continue making such great content.

"Random shit with Jackson Crawford" is one of my favorite videos on this channel

Great poetry, literature and culture chat. Thanks!

AMAZZZZING..The boys are back in town…we think of a collab and Luke makes it happen…

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Haha thanks Craig

The fact that an hour felt like 30 minutes tells how much I enjoyed this conversation, I just didn't want it to stop.

I am here simply to say that... I spent 6 years pursuing an academic career in early Medieval studies. I didn't develop a love for languages until the Very end of that, although some were required. Skip a decade plus of construction work after that, and I've had the last few years to devote to history and language. I love Dr Jackson Crawford's version of the Hávamál so much I memorized the entire thing. Both his translation and the Old Norse.

Jackson's deep, beautiful voice is honey to my ears

That Icelandic send-off, "Best greetings", is the same as in Finnish: "Parhain terveisin". Literally: "With best greetings". I guess there are a lot of mutual, shared idioms and expressions across the Nordic countries, even if the languages themselves aren't related.

The part that jackson mentions about public outreach is very true, and goes beyond historical/linguistic topics. I work in environmental sciences, so I am in a lot of climate change/pollution/sustainability kind of circles, and we see this all the time.

Dr. Crawford, I like the way you look at us the same way Brad Pitt does in Inglorious Basterds

What a joy to listen to this. Here's a gorgeous Robinson Jeffers poem called Mountain Pines. Animist and lovelorn. In scornful upright loneliness they stand, Counting themselves no kin of anything Whether of earth or sky. Their gnarled roots cling Like wasted fingers of a clutching hand In the grim rock. A silent spectral band They watch the old sky, but hold no communing With aught. Only, when some lone eagle's wing Flaps past above their grey and desolate land, Or when the wind pants up a rough-hewn glen, Bending them down as with an age of thought, Or when, 'mid flying clouds that can not dull Her constant light, the moon shines silver, then They find a soul, and their dim moan is wrought Into a singing sad and beautiful.

You guys are awesome! Wish I had been sitting there listening. This is the next best thing!

Great collab, I follow both! It's not coincidental that Modern Greece has two Nobel prizes, both are in literature, and in Poetry (George Sepheris & Odysseus Elytis)

Very heartwarming to see the Romans and the Celts have finally reconciled.

@mytube001

2 жыл бұрын

Celts?

@potman4581

2 жыл бұрын

@@mytube001 Professor Crawford is of Scottish descent.

Since you prompted at 44:00 , I thought I'd just weigh in on the subject of why the Norse mythos attracts the nutjobs, as someone who's nerded out on mythology since she was handed D'Aulaire's Greek Mythology when she was about 8. One big reason is just what you guys alluded to earlier in the conversation: the fact that the received wisdom about what was done to record these stories and the fact that they were recorded by Christians primarily is taken as a very strong and solid piece of information. Thus the mystery imbued into the Norse cycle is borne in not just via the relative paucity of the material, but also via the lens of oppression and misunderstanding. It is interesting to me to consider the idea that the concept of "Mystery" is considered one of the most compelling aspects of Christian faith itself (you hear this word fairly often during a mass), and that faith and mystery are inextricably intertwined. This offers a sort of journey for the worshipper, which makes the act of faith an opportunity for discovery with no hope of ever running out of material, so to speak. Not to paint all by the exact same brush, but it's this Mystery and this sense of there having been a willful suppression of information that makes a thing like QAnon thrive as well.

@polyMATHY_Luke

Жыл бұрын

That’s a very interesting observation

42:33 That's a really good point; I haven't thought about it that way before. I've definitely made the mistake of judging people for their pseudoscientific views, thank you for talking about that. I needed to hear it. Also, I'm going to have to show this to my brother in an attempt to convince him of the merits of poetry. If the eloquent Jackson Crawford can't persuade him, no one can

This was wonderful to watch. Oh, what I would give to be able to have a talk like this with you two.

I just discovered Dr. Jackson and Robinson Jeffers thanks to this video!

The crossover we all needed

Like the Arc of the Covenant at the end of the Indiana Jones movie, Jackson's sparkly shirt is so beautiful and otherwordly that it is ripping a hole in reality and driving me to madness. Kudos!

I actually loved it when you guys got off the classical languages/Old Norse track for a while and got talking about Modern/Early Modern English poetry (not that the discussion of older stuff wasn't nice too!)

I love your conversations together, I hope you continue them every so often.

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

The next one is tomorrow! Stay tuned.

These guys need to make a podcast

Amazing to see you collaborate with Dr. Crawford again!

"The Odin-bearing Ash" if Askr Yggdrasill is Yggr (the terrifying one/Odin) + drassil (steed)...and we get something like "Odin-steed," or more specifically the "Odin-steed Ash," what is an Odin-steed? i think it's likely something more like steed in the sense of "something that bears/carries something/someone else," as opposed to strictly a horse. so we end up with something like "The Odin-bearing Ash," albeit said very poetically. in any case, we arrive more or less at the same point: it's the tree from which odin sacrificed himself to himself.

I saw that those collab videos between you and Crawford where coming in whilst in Greece, but I like binge watching my favourite sagas so I held off on watching it until now; can’t wait to enjoy this epic marathon of content on both your channels!

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Farya! I’ve also been enjoying your content from Greece.

Seeing some americans so passionate about poetry, sublime thoughts and humanism is so refreshing (no offense, but we're more used to seeing other kinds of behaviours and models leaning more towards Hollywood, Cardi B, Kardashians, Lady Gaga and the like, who certainly aren't about intellectualism, rather about pluri-consumerism, but thanks for greatly debunking the stereotype on Americans)

I thought that the thumbnail was photoshopped together, I was in utter disbelief to see the two of you actually together.

Yggr sounds similar to ugra in Sanskrit, which also means frightening!

@mongke7858

2 жыл бұрын

@Gary Allen No but its related to ugly

The collaboration we’ve all been waiting for 🙏🏻

This was an awesome video and I'd love to see more of this collaboration. :D

Oh hey Anatoly Libermann is my Norse professor at UMN! Small world!

25:21 In Dakota, horse is "big dog" and in Lakota, horse is "holy dog".

The crossover we didn’t know we needed!

Great to see you guys talk face to face!

Fascinating discussion! I subscribe to both this channel and to Dr Jackson Crawford's channel. i originally discovered both of you on The Econolinguist Channel when both of you were testing other modern languages if they could understand Latin and Old Norse.

I really appreciate the fact that you managed in postproduction to make this zoom call look like two human beings interacting with one another directly without social distancing and masks.

@jadet-g1486

2 жыл бұрын

wat

@HPLovecraftsCat9

2 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment.

@mrm6607

2 жыл бұрын

You double-mask alone in your own car, don't you? Get your fifth booster yet?

@jadet-g1486

2 жыл бұрын

@@mrm6607 The comment was a joke you absolute plum.

Really interesting discussion!! Gratias vobis!

You sure get around these days. Super excited for this video!

You guys are good together. Thoroughly enjoyable convo

Just last week you had a gathering with the Sassanids, now you're here doing diplomacy with a Caledonian chieftain. I can't wait to hear from the Saxons or the Numidians.

This video reminds me of learning about how Kurt Cobain studied a form of poetry called Subrosa. Very interesting philosophy and history. The most beautiful rose of the garden is cut in its prime, to hang above the Knights round table. Symbolizing that they swore by the sacrifice of the beauty of life being cut short, all that was spoken there was a secrecy among only them. Kinda makes you ooze, huh?

"Come what may" and "what's done is done" were both first used in Macbeth. Shakespeare's command of the English language and his ability to play around with it is amazing, and very few people have been able to match him. But i cannot stand any of his works 🤣

Love this channel

This is good ASMR, macte.

Very good stuff, from both of you guys. And I too would love to see you both collaborate with Simon. 😎👍

Great that you got to see each other in person!

The sort of accidental forced perspective made me think Jackson was a giant for a second.

This was awesome and very insightful! I hope you guys do more stuff together.

Jackson’s point about offering new translations without being viewed through a lens of ideology is pertinent and sobering, its why I suspect myself, and many others seek you guys on KZread is not only the accessibility but the pure transparency in conveying the knowledge and genuine love for the linguistics and history ect. These are underrated attributes that seem to be devoid in the self righteous ivy tower academics that have merge activism with their jobs to point where it’s indistinguishable. So thanks gentlemen, would love to see you guys do videos on Lord of the rings. And / or more of our cultures ramifications from the old Norse and Latin / Greek texts.

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Very kind of you. More to come.

Smooth as silk

I swear, I started fangirling like crazy Yay, Luke and Jackson in a video, it's great and amazing

CROSSOVER EPISODE!!!

God I love this combination

Oh, no, now I'll have to learn Old Norse too...

I am going to enjoy it like you've no idea Lo voy a gozar como no lo puedes imaginar (cue Thanos from Infinity War)

Ok, "Avengers: Endgame" is oficially no longer the biggest cross-over ever!

I definately think language shapes the way we think, our attitudes towards things. For example, the expression to earn money in my language is expressed by saying you "search money", implying you dont earn it like the english, but happen to come across it. The two make your attitude towards work veery different. We even joke about it, saying that we are searching for it, but dont find it. Just to expand on this a little further, one of the reasons protestants did better than catholics is because when protestants translated the bible to german, they used the word for job for being called by God, thereby connecting the two ideas. (As I said, one of the reasons, not the definitive reason) About godwyns law: first time hearing it its funny, but when you think about it, its actually quite obvious and a redundant statement, law. The longer a conversation goes on, the more stuff you have to bring up to talk about. Even with language being very complex, there are a finite amount of stuff you can talk about. Kind of like the monkey and the typewriter: the more the monkey writes on a typewriter, the more chance there is that it will type out a Shakespeare story.

Hey I found this channel a few days ago and it's super intresting. I never had any latin at all. How does Latin work with modern words like computer, smartphone, or similar stuff? Do you invent new Latin words? I don't know if there is a video of you on this topic. I just leave this question here.

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

I made a video for that kzread.info/dash/bejne/io6IlpRslsmffrg.html

Now that I see you with Jackson I want to know if is there any information about the language and culture that the Latini-Falisci had

We just can't see Luke's helicopter behind the camera

If you add Luke Gordon to the mix and we’ll have a language melt down in happiness

Horse in Lakota is "shuNka wakHaN", shuNka meaning dog and wakHaN being commonly translated as "sacred" but also encompassing ideas like "mysterious, hazardous, powerful" (which I think is better conveyed by the more old fashioned use here of the word "medicine"). Blackfoot also either does or did refer to horses as "elk dogs". (N should be eng, it marks nasalization of previous vowel; H should be h-hacek, it marks so-called rough aspiration or uvular frication.)

27:40 what's the movie Jackson is talking about?

Those crafty monks ;)

I thought it means Ing's Ash. in German the tree is called Weltenbaum or Weltenesche.

Hey, could you make a video how to pronounce oe like in video about ae? It would be vey helpful, i know that its quite similiar to german eu but not exactly the same

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

Hi there. That’s right; it’s like English “toy”

I think Jackson needs to go to Iceland, the Faroe Islands, Norway, Denmark and Sweden, speak Old Norse in shops and see what happens. Thumbs up if you agree!

Is this in Italy, Colorado, or somewhere else?

You should make a short video on the Latin that is sung in elden ring. See if it makes sense or if its accurate considering is a Japanese company to see if they get translations more accurate than other places attempting to use Latin in games or media. Thanks.

@polyMATHY_Luke

2 жыл бұрын

I’ll look into it

They def went into the woods and reenacted the battle if vindobona from Gladiator

Woah what is this, a crossover episode? KZread language lad con 2023 when?

Crossover time!

Totally unrelated but I do wonder how you deal with the jetlag of constantly zooming back and forth between the ocean; you are truly more than just a Lord of Latin but also possess a nigh superhuman constitution!

Greek and Roman does not have weirdness Internet charges back shouting SPARTA

Sapir-Whorf, language doesn't effect your to think differently , but it has been demonstrated to alter emotional affect , that is it alters the Limbic systems expressiveness . Song is limbic not broca. So if we think of old poetry as song then yeah there changes. See Sapolsky.

Horses (bulls in china) have always meant your emotions.

I remember in John Locke's Two Treatises on Civil Government that he related a short story (relating to a Turkish Harem) that he considers too obscene for women or children or the uneducated, so he tells it in Latin without translating it.

It’s great to hear well balanced “real” American voices in this epidemic of high pitched vocal frys. (Male and female). But there seems to be now a tendency (as in Japanese) to constantly make utterances while someone else is talking to show you are listening or understanding each point as it is made. However body language suggests that that is not actually the case.

@thorthewolf8801

2 жыл бұрын

Is that a good or a bad thing?

A Viking and a Roman walk into a bar. No punchline. This video is what happens.

The only thing I found disappointing about this video was the fact that you didn't name it "Random Stuff with Jackson Crawford".

Is anyone interested in a WhatsApp group to discuss linguistics? I'm thinking about creating one

Woohoo, the two hottest old-language guys!

there's a huge misconception about Hitler and Germanic mythology stuff. he is actually not the one who pushed that things. Himmler was one of them and Hitler laughed at him often for that.

Have to say that unfortunately there is no cognate to Slavic мова/молва in Indo-European languages other than Indo-Iranian

Oh shit the two hottest men

Nice…but I’ll stick withLatin and French

The latin speaker looks norse and the norse speaker looks roman. lol

Ðis meeting is galactic! R u celebrating ðat earþ venus Mars jupiter and Saturn are alined in ðe horizont?

40:03 Luke congrats on you for not facing that ugly side of classical studies, because in so many instances it's already reared its ugly head. It won’t dissuade me or anyone attached to real erudition: one very real antidote to Νατζι fantasies about ancient Greece and Rome is to read *directly, and critically,* what they _themselves_ wrote. But it _is_ a concern.

I wish to christen a new law: the longer a fun conversation on history goes on, the probability that it will be ruined by nazis or communists approaches 1.

So, gentlemen does it come out of FOXp2 or is it monkey see monkey do? Don’t keep it all to yourself.