Thanks for checking out our new gadget! If you think this will make your life better then you can get one at shop.retrocollective.co.uk/ We have an initial batch 250 available at the time of this video going live, and will build more if it's something we find you want/need! Neil

@RichRap3D

Жыл бұрын

Thanks everyone for the feedback and comments, it's all really appreciated and taken in by us to help make more products you want to see. Please keep them coming and we will continue to make more things for the Retro gaming, Arcade and classic computer communities.

@nyvoll247

8 ай бұрын

Is this still available? Seems like the store is down right now? Keep up the great work!

I still can't believe how incredibly this has all turned out. Excellent work lads.

I love that you have this hardware partnership with heber, seems like moving to their mill was the tip of the iceberg! May you continue to innovate.

I absolutely LOVE the slice design. As a mainly retro console player, I appreciate the vibes of the add ons like MegaCD, GBA player etc so i thought 6:58 was a superb option. Although PC player these days, I think I would pick up just a board and design my own case, as space is an issue in my desk, I’d go as small as possible.

Playing Cannon Fodder on a MiSTer with a real Amiga mouse has never been so much fun! Looks ace!

@Ran-tan-tan

Жыл бұрын

I see what you did there, lol!

@RichardBrooklyn

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the original lyrics

I can't believe you named it after your favourite KZreadr, I'm touched 🤗

This looks absolutely incredible! You and these wizards downstairs are a gift to us all :D

Man, it’s always good to see what you guys come up with. You truly understand what the needs of hobbyists are. Thanks boss.

I love it. The video has a HSN/QVC vibe to it; but that’s just a part of the charm IMO

@Breakfast_of_Champions

Жыл бұрын

Call now and get a smack for freee!

@RichRap3D

Жыл бұрын

But wait, there's more. Order now and receive a big thank you from all of us 😂 We will try to make it less shopping channel next time, maybe more examples of use, tech spec's and development talk?

What a sensible design! Not re-inventing the wheel or anything, just making a solid product.

So not only is your channel retro gaming. But now retro TV, I felt like I was watching QVC 😂. Love it very interesting and definitely worth considering.

Already ordered one! Thanks for developing this, the ability to use original controllers is very important to me, so this will greatly enhance my vintage experience! Here's hoping Colecovision and Intellivision controllers are fully supported too!

@CptJistuce

Жыл бұрын

Intellivision support would be very nice. Very difficult to get proper control for virtual INTV due to that 16-way d-pad.

I didn't manage to make it to the end of the video before placing my order. I've been happily using the Mayflash mega drive adapter, on your recommendation from a few years back, but this looks like a fantastic upgrade. Great work fellas! I can't wait to try it with my collection of retro controllers.

Nice piece of hardware! Thank you for your efforts to make sure the world of retro is ever growing.

Great work! This looks very well made and useful for a variety of classic control devices. Easy compatibility for authentic controls can be a very transformative experience for gaming across a wide variety of different platforms. Looks to be a really great option for MiSTer's range of computer and classic console cores, and emulators in general.

the master system controller is an interesting one, given that the system itself has a physical pause button. what would be cool is if you did a pass-through cable, perhaps not just strictly for the master system, with four or five buttons on it which could be mapped to system buttons like pause, reset, etc.

Looks very interesting. Maybe a future iteration when more typs are supported might be making the ports modular so it has even more flexibility.

The Cave shares the building with the perfect neighbours!

Fantastic job guys! You even made a dev board for this!

Much appreciated for the passion to create high quality product.

If I could add one other port, it'd be the Wii/Nintendo mini console one - would cover all of NES/SNES/dual analogue classic controller, and 8bitdo adapters. EDIT: also a kit option for people with a couple of spare pi picos lying around looking for a purpose!

Excellent piece of kit.

Very nice indeed. I'm tempted but will probably wait for the next iteration featuring additional ports that you mentioned will be coming out at some point.

Real nice project! I've made a 2×9-pin adaptor myself... but had wired the ports directly to the GPIO pins of an AVR microcontroller. Worked for a while until the chip fried, so yes... overcurrent protection is probably a good idea. :) Mine supported Atari joysticks and Mega Drive gamepads, but 6-button recognition didn't work every time. The state machine got stuck somewhere believing it was a 3-button gamepad. Experimented with Amiga/Atari mouse support but didn't find it worthwhile now that modern mice are so more precise. Would have wanted to support the CD32 gamepad, but couldn't get hold of any to work with.

Really great idea - and looks very well implemented!

Who would have thought that the Cave of the Retro Man was on the exact same building as another fellow retro enthusiast

Great product defo going to get one. The price is nice as well normally things like this are super expensive.

Really cool you guys making HW.

Cool bit of kit.

This is so inspiring!

Looks great sitting under the MiSTer Multi System.

Omg I forgot about the star raider pad. That was a blast of nostalgia right there. I was there on release.

Looks amazing. Would love to see a model where the connectors are not soldered which will allow for fitting into our own cases.

That Atari trackball thing is massive. This is the first time I've seen whatever that is :)

Looks like an excellent product and very well presented in this video. My only frustration is that it’s practically impossible to get hold of a MISTer system!. Restock 2025? 😂

Fantastic

big fan of rich here, nice to see him at the cave

I think the dock is rather expressive if you compare it to the price of for example the mms. It's just a pico with some wiring. I don't know how much of it is open, but with some skill and spare pico could build your own, especially if you only need to support a specific controller.

I’m hoping to get the composite cartridge and this, summer is coming though and I’m buying a new longboard and trying to save for an e-bike too, so many toys to buy 😂😀

I didn't know Steve Backshall did electronics as well.

Love the beige.

Collecovision/ Intellivision controllers in the pipeline? This is so cool !

it looks amazing, especially the 'slice'.. you've done a great job, you've addressed every concern.. and i was this close to putting in a pre-order until I saw the price. I do appreciate it's small run and the amount of work that must have gone into it. but for me the price point is way too high just so I can play amiga games with reduced latency or use a tank mouse on workbench.. I'd have paid £35-£40 but no more. sorry guys. having said that.. i really hope it's a success, the more sold might encourage a price reduction :)

@welshtechie6832

Жыл бұрын

To be fair future revisions will probably be cheaper. It is always with the way for new devices, time, as they say, will tell!

Ooooo retro stuff😊

Instant 'want' is for a digital display even just a simple one using 7-segment numbers so you know what setting is being used without having to pick up the dock and look at the back.

Will the Multi-system board restock anytime soon? Good job guys!

Nice device, I like the idea of taking an Amiga mouse and playing Doom and much more recent first/third person shooter on a modern PC with it. Would be interesting to see how playable it is.

Looks so cool, sign me up

Great knobs all-round 🎉

Tank mouse for Mario Paint, what an age we live in! Looks like a really cool device, and really smart stacked on the Mister Multisystem.

Wow! Definitely tempted. Just a bit of a question though. Does it support the auto fire function on classic 9pin sticks (usually based around the 555timer ic)?

Looking very much like a retro add on in the BBCMicro / Acorn school of design asthetics this one 😊. Sounds like a very capable device to be sure 👍

Hope there's a revision with Saturn ports, or otherwise is Saturn compatible, it's 9 pins so I assume it could be added to the current model but I assume identifying the attached device (where it isn't a standard Saturn pad) would not be that simple. The Saturn->USB adapters I've seen (and the one I own) only seem to support basic Saturn pads and not the 3D analogue pad or the racing wheel, and I'm guessing it's because they don't have the capability to identify them as different devices from the standard pad. While the 3D pad is most commonly associated with NiGHTs it's my favourite way to play Sega Rally Championship, and being able to use it on my real Saturn, the MiSTer and other devices would be really cool. Richard also mentions the Mega Drive 6-button pad and its complex design enabling the additional 4 buttons (including mode). If you guys fancy making an MD 6-button interface like the ones Monster Joysticks make, so you can make your own 6-button arcade stick for the original MD, I'd be very interested in that. Sadly it seems there are no products that let you do it with 6 buttons and even Monster Joystick's is just a 3 button interface. I appreciate it's sort of the opposite of what you're doing here though, I just thought it might be a way to build on the knowledge developed around how the 6-button pad communicates button presses.

That test rig is more impressive than the end user device, IMO. Yes, I'm an engineering nerd.

I love that you correctly identified the 9 pin D-Sub as a DE9. It probably should be plastic, but I know they’re more expensive and it probably won’t wear the plastic plugs that badly. The 15 pin I think you called a DE15, but it’s the larger A-shell D-sub, so it’s a DA15. A DE15 (or DE15HD) would be a VGA connector.

@therealjpster

Жыл бұрын

Richard said 700 nanoseconds. I think he meant 700 microseconds. That’s still very impressive given the 1000 Hz USB polling rate. I suspect that number has some error bars on it because it depends where you line up with the next USB poll. Still, it’s impressive.

@CptJistuce

Жыл бұрын

DE15 is also the Jaguar controller port(hence why they couldn't test it without an adapter)

@giornikitop5373

7 ай бұрын

@@therealjpster yeah, that made me scratch my head for a little while. i know the pico (overclocked) can respond to nanoseconds timings, but processing and translating the signals from the controllers so fast is somewhat truly hard, but in the end it's not really needed. anything close or lower to that 1ms is very impressive and a testament to the pico's flexibility and their engineer's skills. but now we want more!!!!

As you’re a British company, make it support the Dragon and the BBC joysticks! Show a little pride, guys 😏

This looks exceptional. Does the slice fit with the OG multisystem case or does it need the later revision of the case?

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

Yes it fits old and new cases

This looks really cool. Will it work with retropi, or it requires Windows drivers and settings aplication?

Really nice and well thought but at this price (around £100 if you factor in an enclosure) I'd expect it to cover more grounds . All major consoles peripherals of the 8 bits - 16 bits era should be supported. I'm sure we will get there though but I have doubts about this model being able to be kept in line with further revisions without the need for buying adapters.

I've always wondered about the challenges involved in using these 3.3v micro-controllers (like the Pico) with 5v gadgets. I guess a bunch of capacitors come into play

@siriokds

8 ай бұрын

Level shifters.

This video's going to be in another one of those ooh-err missus MSeX-machine style naughty remixes, isn't it?

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

We must not tell @banjoguyollie

was the "slice" perhaps a Acorn RISC PC reference? XD

Wow, that device looks terrific , so flexible and the goal to be low latency is great. Since latency is so important, what thoughts do you have for the type of display and display settings? A HDMI display will have some latency and some monitors have a low latency game mode, but Analog to a CRT generally would beat anything. What are your thoughts?

Sega mega mouse support would be really awesome!

Fantastic product! Very exciting to have this! My one question is a doozy.... can it fully use Coleco Vision or Intellivision controllers and support the keypads as well? Cheers!

@cameralabs

Жыл бұрын

Good point, I'd like to use my Coleco controllers too!

@coffeecuparcade

Жыл бұрын

@@cameralabs I’m hoping they answer this one as I would buy it on that alone

Is this going to have dreamcast support? edit: watched til end , stay tuned...heres hoping...btw great work!

I have not tried to check out the source code for this device (if it is available?), but I heared here that some of the latency is caused by debouncing logic? If so, have you considered "asymmetric" debouncing? Idea is that whenever you see a button press, you register it immediately, but to "release" the button, then you have a counter to count enough consecutive release states to actually register the button to be released. Usually when you see any "noise" on button signal, it means that somebody is physically doing some touchy-touchy with it anyways. And on the other hand, releasing the button is usually less time-critical activity on gamepads. Just food for thought. Maybe you already are doing it. :) Great work!

C=64 Koala pad ... IIRC, works like two ATARI pot controllers were an etch-a-sketch

18:39 He probably meant to say 700 microseconds

Was that Richard "RichRap" Horne? Good to see him in a video again. So of course the cases are 3D printed.

@RichRap3D

Жыл бұрын

Hi Norman, Yes! it's me and yes, still 3D printing and designing. Thanks for the comment and I hope you are doing well.

2600-daptor - the best adapter I know.

So Retro

16:23 whoa don’t forget to turn on the borders and CRAM dots on the Mega Drive core, they shouldn’t be black on Sonic 2 😅👍

I modded a USB arcade style joystick to accept Atari 2600 9 pin controllers, which works well for the classic stick and fire button controls... but not Trakballs or paddles. This item could be the solution for all the classic controllers.

I need ADB! :)

Wow, this is a really big deal. Theres never really been a device quite like this before, and I think it's going to be a game changer (if you'll pardon the pun).

Nice looking device but 90 quid is far too expensive for what it is. Price should be half that or less imho.

So this plugs into the internal USB port of the multisystem board, right? It doesn’t use the SNAC connector or IO-USB port?

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

On the MMS it plugs into any USB port, with the slice you can feed it up to the usb port hidden under the front cover

Neat 👍👍

I wish a company would make a wireless Master System compatible controller.

Not really something for your device, but it seems that with the right know how, it could be possible for someone to develop a BT adapter that could interface an Android phone or tablet directly to actual Intellivision (especially non-2 versions).

Will 4 atari paddles work with this (2 connectors each with 2 paddles)? Worth it just for Warlords 2600.

Would love ability to use saturn controllers on dreamcast with no latency for the awesome fighting games

1:42 Wow. That's way more than I would expect... 16 ms is very, very noticeable.

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

I know right!

@ryanyoder7573

Жыл бұрын

Also if you are an older person with slower reflexes the lag becomes even more of a problem. It doesn’t compensate it compounds.

Is the Fairchild Channel F controller supported? It's probably the most unique controller I can think of that uses one of the supported connectors.

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

Pinned to add to the list thank you!

The guy who made the Jaguar emu BigP is also after a Jaglink. Are these things ultra rare?

Two questions: 1. Does it support XInput? A lot of the cheaper USB adaptors only support DInput, making them useless in modern titles. 2. Would you consider adding a configuration for custom arcade controls? (Possibly using the DB15 port?)

I'm thinking these came out in a time around the start of the USB 1.0 craze around windows 95c,d,3 and win 98.. today you be battling to get them to work unless they were made to run on a a new pc of today from the POV of 8 and 16 bit controllers, most ran in a 9 pin serial when talking about sms, mega drive, NES and SNES. Can't comment on what was functional on c64, c128, tandy trs-80, amiga prior to commodore and amiga after purchase of amiga by commodore I'm basing this from my battle station II not sure what will be compliant with your break out board connection though with some fighting games you will likely be needing to support both 2 and 4 player games If i was so inclined I would consider a multi tap option with a 1 or 2 usb input port 4 port controller output for sms-dc, nes-switch, xbox-one x, ps1-ps4pro

I don't know about that specific adapter but most of Mayflashes adapters have super low latency. Maybe this one was just a dud. Their arcade sticks also have extremely low latency.

Would be cool if it was possible to add a USB input, so that something like a PS5 Dualsense controller could be used....

I'm torn. Part of me would love unique versions of this for different controller ports, but the other part of me thinks it would be better to just offer pin-out compatible dongles for specific controllers. I can't help but feel wasteful to create an entire new board just to do the same thing but have a SNES controller port on the front. I think I'd prefer just having a SNES to DB9 dongle instead.

Can you confirm if the BBC B, Master and Electron are supported? Thanks.

This looks great, a bit pricey but I get it offers a lot. So, if I plug an atari 2600 paddle in it, I can plug this to raspberry pi running mame and play using it as a spinner in arkanoid?Or say the amiga mini, will it work on one using two joysticks for two players?

@CptJistuce

Жыл бұрын

VCS paddle will be suboptimal for Arkanoid, as the game expects infinite rotation to be available. There's no concept of position, and Arkanoid spawns every new paddle at the center of the playfield regardless of where the controller is. You want the Atari Driving Controllers, which are sadly much less common.

@otherreality

Жыл бұрын

@@CptJistuce I get it. Thanks for the answer!

So when I saw the 15-pin port, I was wondering if PC analog joysticks would work with it. It looks like they'd need a gender-changer, though. Another 9-pin analog device is an Apple II joystick (again, needing a gender-changer). Among PC joysticks, some actually used a digital interface through the game port, needing custom drivers.

@RichRap3D

Жыл бұрын

It's not directly compatible with the Analogue PC 15 way port, but we are looking at this as we have had a lot of people ask about it. Thanks for also asking as it makes if more likely we will try to make something for PC Flight stick users... stay tuned for more updates.

Can we have a comparison with SNAC controllers?

Since the DE9 connector carries 5 volts on one of the pins (usually pin 7). Are there any configs that changes which pin that carries the 5 volts and thus can damage the system you are connected to if you select the wrong system on the CTRLDock?

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

you’ll here in the video the video that protection is in place to prevent such damage occurring

@retroandgaming

Жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro sweet! I promise I saw the whole thing but didn't catch that.. :)

@bzuidgeest

Жыл бұрын

​​@@RMCRetro the video implies that the dock is protected from misconfiguration. But what about the device you plug in? If you push the wrong voltage to the wrong place on a control pad you might fry it. It's unlikely with those old dumb things, but as mentioned in the video, some pads were a little more intelligent with serial protocols and such.

What support will this have with multi player adapters, controllers, and multitaps ie nes four score for more than 2 controller use?

@RMCRetro

Жыл бұрын

A NES version has been tested with fourscore and works just fine. News on that at a later date

@jworkman753

Жыл бұрын

@@RMCRetro Awesome can't wait for that update.

Please can the Research Machines RM186 mouse be added

Aquarius pad support?

How about adding support for the original macintosh 9-pin mouse?

@FindecanorNotGmail

Жыл бұрын

The Mac mouse's connector has the opposite gender to Amiga/Atari/Amstrad. But you should be able to find the pinouts online and solder an adaptor to it pretty easily. All of them are "bus mice" with 5V quadrature signals.