A Mississippi murder case has ignited a new fight against qualified immunity
The case of Desmond Green, a man imprisoned for nearly two years on false murder accusations, has ignited a new fight against the qualified immunity doctrine after a Mississippi federal judge denied qualified immunity to a detective involved in the case. Damon T. Hewitt, president and executive director of the Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, joins MSNBC's Charles Coleman Jr., in for Ali Velshi, to discuss.
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Abolish qualified immunity.
@justaguyinthematrix
2 ай бұрын
They aren't bullet proof ya know. It's why you have a 2nd amendment. Too bad you're coward tho.
@danielmartin7838
2 ай бұрын
No!
@SundayTopper
2 ай бұрын
@@danielmartin7838 why? :)
@JohnnyChapman-jp1ej
2 ай бұрын
@@danielmartin7838how about modifying it so justice is better served?
@soulslip
2 ай бұрын
@@JohnnyChapman-jp1ejjust abolish it and have applied immunity based on the specific case and circumstances. No automatic immunity... too many harmed by such a law.
Qualified immunity is basically a license for police racism, injustice and brutality
@andreabrown4541
2 ай бұрын
Considering that it emerged in this country as backlash against the CRM, you may be on to something.
@r.carter7507
Ай бұрын
"basically"? try, LITERALLY.
@Lyricistnz
Ай бұрын
basically?
@longcastle4863
Ай бұрын
@@Lyricistnz Yes, I think basically expresses the intent of my thought better than, literally. In essence, at its core. But literally works as well, just from a slightly different perspective that doesn’t quite hit the nail on the head quite for me. It’s interesting,
@GAURAV25855ify
Ай бұрын
Mississippi is the most racist state in the country and corrupt run by the dixie mafia
Abolish qualified immunity and take settlements out of the police union pension fund. Guaranteed this will get fixed.
@Sturmavk
2 ай бұрын
Abolish crime. Then we’ll talk about your snowflake day dreams.
@Cerceify
2 ай бұрын
Qualified immunity has nothing to do with a pension fund. Just take it up to Justice Thomas and Alito. They will wreck it all.
@bjornstahle4652
2 ай бұрын
@@Sturmavk You're accusing OP of being a republican?
@rtjames
2 ай бұрын
@@Cerceifyreading is fundamental. "Take settlements out of the police union pension fund" i.e. dont give the cops a pass with qualified incompetence.
@loganskiwyse7823
2 ай бұрын
@@Cerceify Regardless of how bad Thomas and Alito are, the OP has a very valid point. If you hit the unions in the pocketbook, they are absolutely going to rethink a lot of current attitudes they support.
If you need protection from the law to enforce the law then you have no business enforcing the law as you yourself are a criminal. Boom!
@artfulalias3984
2 ай бұрын
It can indeed be necessary to provide legal protection for people to effectively do their jobs. A stagnant and un-nuanced blanket immunity is the problem. It needs legislation and transparency. Do you remember when there were successful lawsuits after someone pulling someone else from a car after an accident? It had a chilling effect on people helping. A Good Samaritan law was passed to protect people acting in good faith. It certainly doesn't apply to intentional crimes committed under cover of rescue. That's where qualified immunity breaks down. It has been an impenetrable cover for malicious activity.
@JohnnyChapman-jp1ej
2 ай бұрын
@@artfulalias3984 I believe 'End Qualified Immunity' is a catchphrase. It means modifying the laws to do exactly as you describe; i.e. to better serve justice and the community.
@zumaanandrade3961
2 ай бұрын
@JohnnyChapman-jpThe laws were there, then comes qualified immunity.
@gemayeljones248
Ай бұрын
🎯🎯🎯
@Californiawest862
Ай бұрын
I mean the southern states and midwest states are still racist in be behind
End qualified immunity. Police should be held to far higher standards. Its been used to abuse victims of police crimes and malfeasance for far too long.
@mimibroww11
2 ай бұрын
include judges, prosecutors and district attorneys that fail to do their job, withhold evidence etc
@einherjar8585
2 ай бұрын
@@mimibroww11 yes, its systemic corruption.
@mannycastle3011
Ай бұрын
How about we abolish immunity for whatever line of work you do. IF you make a clerical mistake and the company incurs a 250k penalty, fork up the money. . It's not so fun the other way around, right.
@leothenomad5675
Ай бұрын
@@mannycastle3011Since QI only applies to government officials your post is irrelevant.
@leonfrancis3418
Ай бұрын
@@mannycastle3011Nice attempt. 2/10.
Always film the police. Hold them accountable.
@ExceptionalLibra
Ай бұрын
Always!
@vernonwhite4124
Ай бұрын
Filming them is almost always thwarted when they can dodge accountability through qualified immunity. Doing away with that escape valve is the only way for law enforcement to straighten up and fly right. Sadly, this has to be a forced procedure to get safeguards for the the people of this country.
@Ph4r4oh_444g
Ай бұрын
Agreed
End Qualified Immunity
End QUALIFIED IMMUNITY & SOVEREIGN IMMUNITY
@skillethead15
Ай бұрын
Qualified immunity should never have been a thing. It’s just a doctrine used by the courts to escape culpability. It’s a disgrace that it is still being used.
As long as police and civil servants are allowed to claim qualified immunity for every misdeed and misstep, the administration of actual justice cannot be served. If there was actual intentional harm inflicted they MUST be held accountable under the laws of our nation. In the USA we say NO ONE is above the law, but qualified immunity has broken this tenet and caused more harm than good in its application. Time for each and every citizen to be accountable and held responsible for their own actions.
End it, abolish it, and never look back. We demand accountability all over the country!
@loisannreeves2072
Ай бұрын
❤
Corrupt cops, DA's and judges are the problem.
Qualified immunity. Aka, a license for cops to do what they want. Know your rights. Direct D and many others have been fighting this for years.
Thank you for shining a light on this case. Finally a Judge that will do the right thing.
@user-qu4ey5yy3f
2 ай бұрын
I tip my hat to this judge, thank you sir,,,.
When the police have the money taken from them and not the taxpayers watch how fast the correct it.
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
@LockBresnarKymus We don't actually NEED pigs. How many times have they run away, or hid from danger, allowing Americans to be harmed, ki/lled or maimed. Pigs are useless. We don't need them. YOU ARE THE LIAR. Making excuses that have been made for years, and been proven to be bullshiz.
@SnakeOmni
Ай бұрын
@LockBresnarKymus No cops have a long history of abusing their power, especially to commit racial injustice. Well recorded, you're being lied to. If they didn't do anything wrong in those "split second decisions" then they have nothing to fear, right?
@imjustadog1897
Ай бұрын
If doctors have to be careful with what they do, so should cops.
@theAverageJoe25
Ай бұрын
@LockBresnarKymusif you have to break the law and violate someone’s constitutional rights to do your job you have no business being a cop. Police should not be above the law and accountability. You are being lied to
Abolish qualified immunity, Abolish judicial immunity
To ALL "peace officers:" You want your respect back? THEN EARN OUR TRUST BACK! Simple as that. As long as you fear integrity and accountability, you are NOT the good guys.
@sayhisnamewhickerfjb
2 ай бұрын
How about if 13s obeyed the law? What an awful thought
@winstonsmith6607
2 ай бұрын
MSDNC makes it a habit of editing bodycam footage to make cops look racist. They've done it multiple times
@chrisward4576
2 ай бұрын
@@sayhisnamewhickerfjb 🤣🤣🤣 Now you've gone too far
@kkaybaltimore
2 ай бұрын
@sayhisnamewhickerfjb umm you need some mental health
@chrisward4576
2 ай бұрын
I'm an ex- probation officer. 90% of my guys who kept returning on violations had no idea of the Webster's definition of the word respect. It means you don't break the law, then you get respect, not arrested. Pretty easy
Only people that don’t want to be held accountable would even think of such a thing. Burglars lock their doors, liars are skeptical, thieves guard their property.
The supreme court had no constitutional authority to invoke qualified immunity for government officials. There was no need to have such a policy in place. Nor did they have the authority to declare police are not legally obligated to protect individuals from harm, attacks or being killed. Otherwise this is truly taxation without representation and the taxpayer's should not be funding the police. Unions should be required to pay insurance premiums for police as well as payouts by using police pension funds. I guarantee police misconduct will take a turnaround. Also, the offices should be prosecuted and prosecutors or judges who fail to follow the law and serve justice, should also be held criminally and civilly accountable for blatant miscarriage of justice
@chantelmorset7176
2 ай бұрын
They should be required to have bond, so they can be responsible for claims in which they are proven to have cause harm. Not taxpayers or government , they caused it , they pay for it, and then use their pensions when they have exhausted that remedy.
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
the SCOTUS doesn't make law, they issue rulings, decisions, and opinions ONLY. NOTHING the SCOTUS says, has any legal standing as LAW, N O N E. Got that? Goooooooooooooooooooooooooood, now READ the Constitution, and make the utmost attempt at COMPREHENDING how powerful it is, it IS the WORD OF GOD.
About time this news channel started focusing on real American issues that both parties ignore
@bethanyhealy4989
2 ай бұрын
Do victims of crime have any rights anymore?
@timstram
Ай бұрын
@@bethanyhealy4989who hurt you
@bethanyhealy4989
Ай бұрын
@@timstram Why? there is no justice in a red state.
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
@@bethanyhealy4989 No justice in ANY state.
@Yasharahla144
Ай бұрын
that ain't what we talking about...
Trying to wrap my head around this here. So, it is somehow possible to violate a person's constitutional rights without violating 'clearly established law''? Isn't violating someone's constitutional rights in itself a violation of clearly established law?
@chantelmorset7176
2 ай бұрын
Yes!!!!! That is what I'm saying!!
@leothenomad5675
Ай бұрын
Its because the courts have made the clearly established part of "clearly established law" so ridiculously narrow. If your case doesn't line up almost 100 percent the same as a previous one that was ruled unconstitutional, then the cops can claim Qualified Immunity. The same thing happened Georgia? Nope doesn't count, it's another state, so it's still not clearly established law in Mississippi. Qualified Immunity applies.
@RichardHeadGaming
Ай бұрын
It sure is, they swear an oath to uphold the constitution when they become an officer. There should be no protection from it.
The doctrine has never been legislated. EVER!
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
Which means it's not law, and it never will be. It's just a con game run on We the People by socialist criminals.
Colorado, Montana, Nevada, and New Mexico-have completely banned police officers from using qualified immunity as a defense in state court. The rest of the state need to do the same.
@lrmackmcbride7498
2 ай бұрын
It isn't a complete ban in colorado but anything that violates training, policy, state, federal or constitutional law as read by a reasonable person is not protected. They can still do some pretty egregious stuff within those confines.
@ChronicExcessiveManliness
2 ай бұрын
@@lrmackmcbride7498 They'll try to circumvent any and all rules, laws and ethics...no doubt. But it's a good start.
@lrmackmcbride7498
Ай бұрын
@LockBresnarKymus the states that created state causes of action, it isn't federal. That is the point.
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
@@lrmackmcbride7498 Not if bound by THE Constitution, which they are regardless of state permission of those rights, read THE SUPREMACY CLAUSE.
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
@LockBresnarKymus It's not a good thing unless you're a socialist criminal, are you? You're a collaborator at least, and a traitor at worst.
Ignorance of the law is not an excuse for the average citizen. So why is ignorance an excuse for a trained professional???
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
They are expected to follow orders, which takes zero good qualities of the human creature.
Qualified immunity is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.
@icecold9511
Ай бұрын
Civil asset forfeiture beats qualified immunity for that prize.
@paggles4495
Ай бұрын
@@icecold9511 They need to get rid of t hat too.
We got to keep fighting for our rights, until the law chànges.
@robertmarley8852
Ай бұрын
Whitey bang for theirs 👀
Get rid of "qualified immunity," & cops will behave like saints!
Time the UNHRC examined the US justice and prison system...rodents, snakes and moldy food are not ok for the justly convicted either. SHAME
@Nzinga991
2 ай бұрын
The UN Human Rights Council, the NGOs Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. The European and African Unions as well as presidents and heads of government had denounced the mistreatment of black Americans or African-Americans and they continue to do so and that must be why the UN addressed the issue of reparations. The USA is part of the permanent states therefore the USA has the right of veto. But several are trying to obtain a permanent seat for Africa. Malcolm 'in 2021 this was the case but as for South Africa with Israel, justice only concerns the countries of the global south.
28+years in law enforcement myself and qualified immunity is a big part of the problem but not the only problem. I learned from working among them that the culture is another big concern that must be torn down/disassembled altogether. My takeaway after many years is that the culture of law enforcement is simply racist. Concerning qualified immunity and the culture of policing, I contend that you CAN NOT FIX something that needs to be dismantled altogether. Some things are simply beyond repair.
@djjones5715
2 ай бұрын
I'm so tired of the racist argument. My husband is as white as they come and he was targeted by an officer. One man. He had his license suspended in one state for a child support issue even though his daughter was in her 20's at the time. He didn't even know it until he got pulled over by this officer. It took months to sort out. In the meantime, this officer ticketed him 3 more times because he said he saw him driving. Didn't pull him over. Sent him the tickets in the mail. Nothing on dashcam. He just said he saw him driving. That's it. And of course the judge believes the police officer. The day after his birthday this officer had his car towed at 7 am because he hadn't put the new sticker on his plate. He cost us over $1,000 in fines and court costs & towing fees. You don't have to be black to be targeted by an officer.
@moonshoes11
2 ай бұрын
@@djjones5715 Your anecdote doesn’t mean racism doesn’t occur. Just because Cops can violate anyone’s rights doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen at a higher rate based on race. So, you’re tired of realty, it seems.
@teresaburch23
2 ай бұрын
@@djjones5715, where did anyone say it's only black people?
@lewisotha523
Ай бұрын
We have to remember that modern policing was BORN in the crucible of slavery and that the CHARACTER that was necessary to be possessed by the person participating in and enforcing that system, is THE SAME CHARACTER that is necessary to the police today. RACISM undergirded the "Slave Power" yesterday. It undergirds the "Police Power" today.
@justalurker5412
Ай бұрын
It’s not racism, it’s classism.
End qualified immunity.
End qualified immunity across the board.
I have always wondered how violating rights in and of itself is not violating clearly established law. The bill of rights is law and no laws shall be written to abridge these rights.
Qualified immunity is a type of legal immunity that protects a government official from lawsuits alleging that the official violated a plaintiff's rights, only allowing suits where officials violated a “clearly established” statutory or constitutional right. 👇 What disqualifies qualified immunity? Violations of the Bane Act: Under California's Tom Bane Civil Rights Act, citizens are legally permitted to sue government officials who violate their constitutional rights through “threat, intimidation, or coercion,” government employees cannot claim qualified immunity as a defense.
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
The Supremacy Clause makes QI illegal, invalid, and TREASON.
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Nurses cant do this every professional network has code of ethics and can be prosecuted so should officers
@l.austin2371
2 ай бұрын
Facts
This is why charging and sentencing officers for their crimes establishes precedent for future cases. Project 2025, gives officers the right to violate the rights of its citizens, with no repercussions established by law. Voting, is so important.
BRAVO Judge !!! long overdue !!! way too long !!!! and yeah FINALLY !!!!
It might be worth mentioning that this judge is a conservative strict constructionist. His problem with qualified immunity is that nowhere in the text of the constitution or the law is any mention of this concept.
@jasonbergeron1302
Ай бұрын
It was made up by judges, who are as crooked as the cops are
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Not enough people are seeing this.
@twomorningsbackfromyesterd1240
2 ай бұрын
I agree on a hundred, but I believe the pic has a lot to do with it.
The principles of natural justice and common sense have no home in the US legal system.
End qualified immunity and place term limits on the supreme court justices. There needs to be consequences for bad decisions and lack of ethics.
If there is no cases like his in the past, then no one will ever be held accountable. If that's what "established law" means?
Same ole Mississippi.
Of course, qualified immunity is unconstitutional! And it's absolutely absurd it was given to police officers in the first place!! Even the fact that they are aloud to "investigate themselves" is absolutely absurd!!! Unbelievable.
Good report. Please stay on this and provide updates. We need this to pick up more steam.
Arresting someone on a tainted stoned witness statement and line up isn't already protected!
qualified immunity is a law for govt officials and law enforcement to do whatever they want with no consequences.
Spoiler alert...the Supreme Court will overturn this ruling and uphold Qualified Immunity
@labelledujour5855
2 ай бұрын
That’s exactly right.
Has to go we are suffering in silence with trauma on top of trauma and then victim blaming
As soon as he said Jackson, Mississipi, we all knew nothing was going to make sense or be documented correctly
Qualitified Immunity must go . Bad cops should be sued personally.
same rules for everyone. Lets make it happen.
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! I just came across this video and this is what I want to hear more of!!! The system/ government has it's thumb on the scales of justice. Why would a merchant place their thumb on the scale? To get something that they haven't earned!!!
You have to qualify for qualified immunity. Sick dirty cop.
They say this applies to "govt officials including police officers." And yet, military police would go to jail if they up and murdered a soldier. That's why MPs don't go around murdering soldiers the way police officers do to civilians. Also, they don't have contempt for fellow soldiers the way police officers literally hate the guts of those they're supposed to be protecting.
About time someone has the courage to speak up & apply
The Supreme Court is trying to overturn every civil rights law, but wouldn't abolish qualified immunity is pathetic. it's clearly a self-interest situation.
Everyone has been screaming for Congress to pass legislation to end qualified immunity. I am surprised no one seems to recognize that Congress did pass legislation on this very subject. 18US1983 was written and passed by legislation to address this very issue. Yet SCOTUS circumvented our legislative branch. What is to stop them from doing the same with any other legislation passed by Congress. See the problem is there is no checks and balances when it comes to SCOTUS. There are no consequences for getting it so egregiously wrong. There are no corrective mechanisms or oversight. No means by which to enforce ethical standards imposed on any lower court justice. There are literally only two means by which a SCOTUS justice can be removed from the bench. Criminal charges or impeachment. Cozy little job for life with no real means of being fired, suspended or disciplined in any way.
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@rjlchristie
2 ай бұрын
They make me depressed and sometimes angry, as they reveal the facts.
If our teachers or pastors did this we would ask why?
Qualified Immunity & Civil Asset Forfeiture should be completely demolished.
She needs to be charged with felonies. She violated her oath, and her actions were criminal. She deserves charges, and the personal suite to go forward.
Lawyers come up with fancy terms that cost the people's civil rights.
Well sounds like cop should be accountable
If qualified immunity was removed, there would be no need for an appellate court.
How can there ever be a clearly established opinion if no court is willing to make the first ruling.
Imagine. The law protecting criminal cops .
@BonniePryor
Ай бұрын
Yep indianola ms cop
Qualified Immunity means Taxpayers Pay for lawsuits. Police should have insurance they pay into, or have to pay out of their own pensions. It would help them to stop violating our rights.
Getting rid of Qualified Immunity would most certainly quell unarmed police shootings/killings.
This is why local elections are also important, from the sheriff to the governor, find out who we are voting for, before voting them in power.
Most of these qualified immunity cases could be dismissed because the arresting officers lied in a sworn statement in order to put someone in jail.
Bring other cases in other circuits. Once you get the split then the Supreme Court will have to look at it.
@labelledujour5855
2 ай бұрын
But the problem is there are 6 conservatives justices in the Supreme Court, we the people can’t count on to make any difference, except for their best interest.
@journeyman378
2 ай бұрын
@labelledujour5855 the gun rights activists are always bringing lawsuits against laws they deem unconstitutional. They have had a lot of success. They don't win them all though. Fight them like they fight you. Don't be a coward.
@Doc_-_Savage_1
Ай бұрын
Did you fail civics class? Or did you never learn about the three branches, and the very FEW things they can do?
Qualified immunity is a carch 22. The curcular reasoning is that there has to be a case that nearly matches a case in order to overcome it, yet there's no way to have a first case as a precedent.
@jaymays8800
Ай бұрын
Good point. ... J
Corpses don't have qualified immunity. Embrace your 2nd Amendment and protect your fellow citizens.
What a great judge. It's about time to abolish qualified immunity for good.
About time judges start taking these steps.
I heard that detective is calling for the judge to be arrested.
Yes let’s get it done ACCOUNTABILITY police should not be above the law and officials as well
It is about time. How this doctrine has remained in place is mindboggling to me.
@1:30, this law is unconstitutional on its face. How can you violate someone's constitutional rights without violating in this case the bill of rights?
Abolish qualified immunity. There is no law granting it. It is a judicial creation.
Sounds like that jail needs to be investigated as well.
The gang members with badges need to be held accountable and stop punishing the taxpayers for their mistakes and murders. Take the money out of the pension fund and watch the overnight changes.
We the people have spoken. End qualified immunity.
Protect Judge Colton Reeves at all costs!
Its time! People wake up! We continue put up with this! Over again!
MAKE EVERYONE EQUAL UNDER THE LAW!!!
Excellent perspectives. If Qualified Immunity survives, it should only be applied only by juries, not judges, DAs nor the police themselves.
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Yeah, it needs to be corrected
Thats a huge step in the right direction. END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY!
Colorado got rid of QI....other states should follow.
You can't play with people like that
Supreme court is a mess
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I understand why officials were given qualified immunity. However, it has gotten way out of control. There was blanket implementation without any rules or review process.
As long as you have qualified immunity, you have a 2 tier Justice system.They cannot deny the two tear justice system
I pray and hope that he gets every penny he's suing for 😢
Most egregious bullsh*t I've ever heard.
One judge makes no difference in a currupt code. It all has to be erased and rewritten ask any programmer.