I dont mind the more un-serious expansions, I like it when its humourous, but all of the past expansions have just been silly, there need to also be serious ones sometimes.

@Zakading

5 күн бұрын

??? How was Titans un-serious?

@mcswaggster6183

5 күн бұрын

@@Zakadingtitans was 11 months ago

@vinnythewebsurfer

5 күн бұрын

@@Zakading titans was the only truely serious set since the end of the YotG. Sunken city was semi serious between the nagas vs under dah see shenanigans and then everything else has been taking the piss full stop >Shadowlands (which already pisses WoW people off because it’s fucking shadowlands) but everyone’s wearing tweed and pretending to be Sherlock Holmes. >battle of the school bands. There’s a gorilla Elvis and evil boy bands. >WoW but everyone’s got a silly cowboy hat >toys and nostalgia baiting. >tiki beach party. MAYBE the next set will be somewhat serious again because stars might be related to titans/night elves or it could be WoW but everyone wearing a silly astronaut helmet. Who knows.

@Begeru

5 күн бұрын

@@vinnythewebsurferby your framing the majority of all hearthstone sets have been silly

@vinnythewebsurfer

5 күн бұрын

@@Begeru sure but it felt more like we were alternating between your Gnomes vs goblins and Blackrock mountain by set rather than going through long stretches for either side or just the sets themselves being balanced. Again, sunken city was a good example of being both down to earth with what’s typical for WoW and had its sillier stuff like a surfer Murloc dudebro.

I never played Warcraft, it was actually this game that got me to care about some stories from this universe, for example like the story of Arthas. But good god, the game just lost me on theming alone in the past few expansions. It feels just like it is becoming so basic and undefined there is no reason to care about it anymore...

@arvsta96

5 күн бұрын

Yeah the same happened to wow when wotlk ended

@Nostalg33

5 күн бұрын

As if it wasn't due to the anniversary of the game o:

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

@@Nostalg33 yeah, if it's just this one three-expansion year, then I'm sorta ok with it, as long as we get something less goofy in two expansions.

@ShadowmancerLord

5 күн бұрын

​@@arvsta96pretty bad example since WoW is currently back to peak popularity again in terms of subs

@filipvadas7602

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, this game was at its best when the comedic bits were intertwined with the serious Kel'thuzad and Nefarion being comic book villains here was hillarious and was completely fine cause they were still threatening. Hell, even the later adventures like Icecrown did a good job of building up the final bosses

We need to return to more serious style expansions.

@Arcantropolo

5 күн бұрын

There won't be. Sadly China has neutered Blizzard.

@Attilat

5 күн бұрын

Agreed

@tomekk.1889

5 күн бұрын

Yes! I'm so tired of all the teenagers being like "actually, it's okay" while not knowing just how cool the game was at the start.... compare buttons to old vanilla abomination. Night and day

@REDDAWNproject

5 күн бұрын

​You guys are morons. Hs has always been goofy ever since the very first trailer. While yes, we get serious expansions, even the serious expansions have goofy stuff in them.​@@tomekk.1889

@xicy133x

5 күн бұрын

Na

if im not wrong, Incindius art is old, it comes from the blackrock exp and that is why is so badass and serious, he was a boss in the adventure

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

It is NOT old art. It's just the artist, Alex Horley. He's done some of the Classic card art (and thus the WoW TCG card art) as well as several more cards throughout the years (like Maestra). That's why it looks so out of place.

@filipvadas7602

5 күн бұрын

He wasn't a boss, closest is Garr, the artist is the one who did a ton of artwork for the game over the years and that's why it looks so reminiscent

@Begeru

5 күн бұрын

Well, you are wrong

I don't have a real problem with the lighted themed expansion. But a dev once said that they wanted to alternate "mature" and "childish" expansions, but I feel like we got 3 "childish" one in a row and that's just too much

@pontusmattsson9487

5 күн бұрын

Same feeling here warcraft itself got alot of light hearted stuff, but the wast majority is more mature things and it would be nice to see that in hearthstone for the most part imo.

@ShadowmancerLord

5 күн бұрын

Badlands was the mature one my guy.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, most expansions have usually been "a fun take on a serious topic". Like Naxx is a horrifying place in WoW, yet KT is such an over-the-top narrator that it's hard not to smile. To avoid sounding like a "back in my day" boomer, here's a more recent example: Nathria is a murder(!) mystery set in the afterlife, yet it still feels fun in a "Saturday morning cartoon" kind of way, without losing much of its "edge". Even stuff like GvG or Karazhan had the benefit of being about blowing up the everliving sh%t out of eachother (former) and having a narrative, however simple (latter) respectively. The last two expansion meanwhile are just... "fun/silly", with little action. Badlands had a nice balance of silly and serious _(though IMO it's where a different problematic trend - reusing old characters whether it made sense or not - started getting irritating)._ Whizbang and Paradise, not really. There's also the fact that ever since they stopped making adventures, we lost a good storytelling device. *tl;dr Heathstone has always been silly, but recently it's gotten worse in that regard, mostly due to being less "adventurous"*

@mlp_firewind8129

5 күн бұрын

If you don’t see showdown, an expansion about a ragtag rough of heros overcoming a corrupt government serving the ends of a selfish and destructive company damaging the local ecosystem and harassing the populace all for financial gain as a serious story then that is a catastrophic skill issue.

@yogghsd5782

5 күн бұрын

@@mlp_firewind8129 ever heard of the concept of relativity ? If not you should check it out

the lighthearted sets were supposed to the break from all the serious warcraft themes and lore, somehow the devs got it backwards

@JonahTheWhite

5 күн бұрын

It's a complete shitshow now.

Okay but Eudora in a bikini as a signature is wild 💀

@hypercube34

5 күн бұрын

This is the first time I've seriously considered spending money on HS (Send help pls)

@PenguinWithInternetAccess

5 күн бұрын

@@hypercube34 Bruh just save the png somewhere you can look at it for free

@impkiller5932

5 күн бұрын

This is the first signature card I want... I would spend all gold on golden packs...

@theminuskai7453

5 күн бұрын

Honestly i love it, but obviusly redditors and twitter users love to cry about everything

@TripAyes

5 күн бұрын

@@hypercube34 Peak Culture there, King.

Maybe i might be in a slim minority here but the old warcraft tcg arts they used was absolutely phenominal to me and was a reason i got into the game. I guess its hard to make shiny triple supreme deluxe cards out of them that cost 100 dollars each, but still i hope they at least go back to that style to some extent.

@mcswaggster6183

5 күн бұрын

Its the opposite, instead of well made cards, not even prestige cards have a darker theme, blizzard just poop out looney tunes cards that even AI can make better versions of. Its disgusting people pay them money for this

@Begeru

5 күн бұрын

Why do you think that’s an unpopular opinion? Did you even watch the video lol

@dirksauergaming7446

5 күн бұрын

@@Begeru idk it seems to sell well enough to keep the ongoing business model afloat. The opinion of the majority isnt really represented, only the fact that the people who wish for more warcraft style and serious themes at least become more outspoken.

a tropical resort expansion after a toyshop expansion, after a parodic wild west expansion, after a music festival expansion: the funny zones were always a part of WoW, but never the main course. It looks like the game is now in the hands of people that don't really like the source material and try to use the fringiest elements to avoid building upon the Warcraft universe itself. It erodes the coherency from the original warcraft heritage, it dilutes any thematic consistency and even its identity. Nobody can now open a pack of Hearthstone and understand its general setting. And that's even before we talk about the DEI characters design grid.

@ioannispaxinos5171

5 күн бұрын

What about Dragons, corpse synergies and quickdraw is "cute and funny" in Badlands? Have you seen the cards? It has all the dark notes of a classic Hearthstone expansion and some cute cards like Hearthstone has always had since day 1. It was never WoW, it was a card game with satyrical elements. Remember Harison Jones or Indiana Ford or whatever his name was? That was a classic card. Hearthstone has always been like this. Why are people crying about it now?

@tarille1043

5 күн бұрын

@@ioannispaxinos5171 Dragons wearing cowboy hats... Quickdraw literally being "Spaghetti Western" reference (With "Cowboys" being completely unrelated to literally anything in Warcraft lore)... Corpse synergies are only there because it's a core mechanic of Death Knight. Harrison Jones was a character in WoW, given its size there have been a lot of pop culture references in WoW, it's was never a primary theme just something that occasionally popped up. Why are people crying about it now? Because it's far more prominent now. Multiple expansions have been complete jokes, many joke cards are made and everything has to be silly. Whereas back in the day it was much like WoW, where yes, there were silly characters like Harrison Jones, ETC, Nat Pagle and some references to the silliness of their technology (Tinkmaster Overspark, Gelbin Mekkatorque and Mind Control Tech highlighting Gnomish technologies unreliability and Mad Bomber highlighting Goblin technology being mostly having **Something** explode). But it was mostly not silly and just had a few fun things added in.

@REDDAWNproject

5 күн бұрын

nice job skipping titans, a serious lore expansion (also was easily the most boring of the six we talk about)

@Nooy_

5 күн бұрын

Badlands was pretty serious. I understand complaining over this year’s expansions but the ones from last year were 2/3 “”adult””

@CaiRobinson

5 күн бұрын

bruh these are the people who did barrens, titans, stormwinds etc. basically the most warcraft ever. And that dei crap is imaginary shit made up in peoples mind to make them think they are oppressed

I remember being really upset about how cartoony Diablo 2 looked compared to Diablo 1 and how toned down the violence seemed to be. World of Warcraft was never interesting to me for the same reason - it was even worse. A lot worse. And set a bad precedent for other fantasy games. And then I grew up. People who really like dark art styles have options: Gwent, MTG, etc. Most of which are probably better games anyway. I only play Hearthstone BECAUSE it is light-hearted. There aren't many popular card games like that.

@Nunubotz2

4 күн бұрын

MTG is not dark anymore, is more gay and colofourl than anything else. but i agree i play wow and people now LOVE pandaria wich is the fucking silliest expansion

I think everyone complains too much. Which is so dumb. Like they release like 12 other darks themes and then have two themes that are silly and goofy, and suddenly everyone is like “stop releasing kid themes”

the childish art matches the now childish gameplay. problem is, i was never that lame or dumb even as a child.

Honestly light-hearted expansions if done well can be pretty cool so I think it's fine if they want to make less serious expansions from warcraft lore. BUT what I think is a problem Is the art direction of the game basically every single artwork I see uses a Cartoonish style even for cards that don't really need It; I just miss the more realistic and epic style of the old cards. My main issue Is that even when they make serious and warcraft theme expansions THEY STILL USE CARTOONISH ARTDIRECTION .

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

Let me cite the devs and HS wiki, on the topic of One Night in Karazhan: __ Yeah, clearly the team behind the game has changed since then.

@Nooy_

5 күн бұрын

@@robertlupa8273yeah whizbang is really too recognisable

I'm on a vacation when I play this game I don't want corny soft hearted safe route design when I'm trying to put my opponents LIFE to ZERO

@Nooy_

5 күн бұрын

Make a deck with 30 party fiends

This just in: People who play Blizzard Games, pissed at Blizzard games for not being the Blizzard games they want Blizzard to make.

Hearthstone has always been at least partially a parody/caricature of warcraft lore and characters. While some of the more recent sets have been more overt in this theming than others, we’ve had joke-y themes and cards since the original classic set - annoy-o-tron, angry chicken, even Leeroy Jenkins. While card games like Magic, which is facing a similar criticism, took themselves almost entirely seriously, hearthstone has had humor baked in from the start.

No one that takes themselves super seriously plays Hearthstone.

I'm still waiting for a deathwing apocalypse set

Always was that way since.... the Grand Tournament really. You could even argue, even before that with Curse of Naxxramas and Goblins and Gnomes, looking at the intros and at their promotional artwork. And then with League of Explorer, where we technically just replay a movie, it went completely off. (Also, most of the old artwork was just recycled stuff from Blizzard's then discontinued World of Warcraft TCG. Hearthstone is however not that. Lore wise, it is a game, played within Azeroth. It is not a game having Azeroth as a setting.)

@REDDAWNproject

5 күн бұрын

it was that way since the very first trailer talks about coming into the bar and having fun instead of all the serious stuff.. literally 2013 established the tone.

It's a vacation themed spin-off style expansion. Of course, it's going to be chill and lighthearted.

@bobyhappy2992

5 күн бұрын

WHO could have seen this coming ?

@mojojojo6292

5 күн бұрын

It's a lame theme

@Necrotechian

5 күн бұрын

don't forget the outrage of a character on an island vacation basking in the sun while in swimwear...

@PenguinWithInternetAccess

5 күн бұрын

​@@mojojojo6292 Idk i think it's fun

@rory9975

5 күн бұрын

Ok so maybe it shouldn't be a vacation themed spin off style expansion?

Was titans not serious enough? How about march of the lich king? Or murder at castle nathria? People are so braindead...

@mikeike2177

5 күн бұрын

those were already a long time ago

@Ed95366

3 күн бұрын

​@mikeike2177 expansions take a long time to get released. People say Titans was a long time ago but it was only 3 expansions ago (including this beach themed one).

I think that the term "Jump the shark" is very fitting to what's happening to Hearthstone at the moment. Hearthstone has always played on the line of silly and fun, with cool and adventurous. The League of Explorers it's the perfect balance in that sense. Now though, it seems that the silly part are becoming a bit too silly and are really starting to "jump the shark"

I don't mind a childish theme scattered in periodically. I definitely prefer the more darker themes, like March of the Lich King, Voyage, and Nathria.

Played the game at launch, absolutely loved the style and theme of the first two-three years of expansions. Took a break from 2016 ish until 2022. Loved the standard rotation that came with sunken city and enjoyed all the expansions(not including festival of legends)up until Titans, . Haven’t played standard since then.

This has been happening for *decades* Look at the art style differences between Warcraft 2 and Diablo 2 compared to Warcraft 3 and onwards.

The art is fine, but you hit the nail on the head with "This doesn't feel like a 10 year anniversary celebration," point. It's just....summer vacation...and uh....toys just because?

Was hoping for hero cards of all the original characters added to the core set instead of these Gift spells.

There's really no shame anymore on the internet, people see human feet and they just have to share how it makes them feel, it's gotten to the point where feet are actually considered a risky body part to draw, i hope they don't start censoring doorknobs next.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

I like those and I didn't feel the need to share this with the world when Lynessa got revealed. 🙄

MTG has similar discussions about deviating too far from lore. The 10 year thing I understand though. They do these randomized feedback rounds about new sets, so they are accumulating data on what people prefer.

Even of the theme is goofy, the music will always go way harder than it should.

It's the ten year anniversary of Hearthstone, not Warcraft, and Hearthstone is whimsical and funny. (Also Barrens, Stormwind, Alterac, TITANS and MotLK were super boring because they didn't have the whimsical HS twist in them.) But maybe they are too whimsical now. It's should be like 50/50 based on a real WoW location and be funny.

I think Toyshop was an ok theme and tropical resort would have been ok theme too but back to back it's too much sillyness. Silly theme was done well in for exampe Darkmoon faire because they put in a dark ominous twist. They should have at least done that here too.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

Scholomance was similar. "Come to our fun school of magic! But don't look too much into it, else the principal will STEAL YOUR SOUL AND TURN YOU INTO A MINDLESS ZOMBIE (LITERALLY)!"

I care more for the fun and balance. I don't really look the art very often

Skiperino Zedirino 1:24

@Froggie122

5 күн бұрын

bless this guy

@silvereloking6149

5 күн бұрын

cringe

@soggytatty3845

5 күн бұрын

Gotta skip that first bit of him screaming his head off

Honestly it’s not even so much that the themes are “silly” per se. Its that in those themes all the cards are just fully 100% cartoony and vapid. It’s like a new IP.

Has nobody noticed that "Oh, Manager!" is the same gnome as "Entitled customer" ?

It always disappoints me when you don't say "Make. Me. Go. Buh-roke!" You're phoning in the cadence

I feel like having a bikini set isn't very indicative of the game's tone. You can have a really serious game where they do a beach theme one season, and everyone's wearing bikinis and swimsuits

Watch the third set be winter wonderland.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

Nah, it'll be something related to space, according to the sneak peek.

The silly sets are hopefully leading up to a more serious and badass set 3. You’ve got people on vacation but then a card like incindius comes along and suggests something that lurks below is waking up. Maybe we’ll get a new Ragnaros or Thaurissian

@Zakading

5 күн бұрын

At this point we can probably have a hitlist of chars not featured in Whizbang and Perils yet that will show up in the third set. The "Perils" part is probably gonna come in with the mini-set.

Honestly I’ve just assumed that blizzard saw the failure of year of the Gyrphon and just decided to keep things more wacky and stay away from “serious” wow unless absolutely necessary (even tho united in stormwind kinda has amusement park/tourist trap vibes but whatever)

I haven't been playing Hearthstone in a while now, but I never miss a video of one of my favourite Hearthstone content creators, Zeddy

@bertchintus4103

5 күн бұрын

Same here, havent played in 5-6 months. Gotta tell ya, seeing this latest expansion, im glad I stepped away from it

I don't mind the silly stuff, but I wish we would go back to the more serious stuff, like with the Naxrammas , Blackrock and Icecrown Solo Adventures every now and then

I can understand where people are coming from but as a player who only played Hearthstone. I personally think the silly expansions are cool and I love that it gives the devs some creativity when designing cards. But I do miss a serious expansion, particularly one with an adventure attached to it. Hopefully the next one after this one has a adventure.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

Yeah, it's not inherently bad, but it shouldn't be the only option.

@WolfuahuaVioletDoll

5 күн бұрын

At the very least I hope they make the next expansion year full of adventures or something serious like The Rise of Shadows

WOW Retail has been getting the exact same criticism over the last few expansions.

I think it would be cool if the next expansion was based on the Burning Legion, basically demon invasion. Maybe it can be jump started by the burning legion crashing into Swirl Isle of Perils in Paradise

@pontusmattsson9487

5 күн бұрын

A mature themed burning legion expansion is so needed, like 10 years and we are yet to see kil'jaeden and archimonde cards.

Titans expansion so far has the best art, the signature cards look amazing almost like magic cards

I think what's being missed in the serious vs silly debate is that class names mean next to nothing anymore. They are a flexible set of mechanics and nothing else. It's very rare for the arts and names of the cards to really feel like they are obviously in that class just from the name and art. If I show you just the name and art for something old like Fire Elemental without the card border most people would be able to guess from that alone what class it's in. If I show you just the name and art of Rocket Hopper or Inzah or Trusty Companion with no border there isn't a reasonable guess for these cards because they can go anywhere because there's 0 connection to the class they're in. It's not just the individual sets either Baking Soda Volcano is obviously a shaman card from art and name alone while still fitting the theming of its set. Minecart Cruiser easy to tell too and still in theme. Remixed Totemcarver makes sense in the theme but also can only be one class. It can be done to make silly themes with cards the fulfill the class fantasy and they do it a bit but most of what they do lately is just jokes and memes with an arbitrary border slapped on to match the mechanics. The only set that's not doing that in standard at the moment is Titans and to say it's because it's a serious set is to miss the point. The cards better match the fantasy of the classes because they're not focused on making so many memes and jokes to fit a nonsensical theme. They occasionally get there with the jokey sets but more often seem to get lost in just making jokes to fit the theme.

@badusername321

5 күн бұрын

i think there were too many mechs for rogue in titans, would have fit a tinker class better, but otherwise yeah i guess so

Dark times will.come. but younger generations needs to play also with parents money to buy expansions.

We literally have Big Booty Beaches expansion predicted by Rarran. Let us have our furry squirrels for this one.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

Then I'm taking Lynessa for... reasons 👀

I’m waiting for a paw patrol expansion at this point

Will there be a way to directly purchase that Eudora signature? ...asking for a friend ofc.

I feel like we aren't getting a chance to enjoy the Perils of the expansion yet. Like ooh beach vacation, but also, warlock is summoning a World Eating serpent! Hakkar the Houndmaster is an eerie choice for the bundle skin. Whizbang itself had a tinge of spookiness lurking, but Perils in Paradise feels like outright setup for something more interesting to come. But this expansion also has at least one cheese related card. Maybe I'm just thinking too hard.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

Good point. Maybe the mini-set will show the vacation being crashed by some kind of a monster? Maybe a volcano will erupt?

I'm guessing cute girl portraits and signature cards. Lighter setting I think allow them more flexibility to make those. If they can print shoeless nemsy or some bs to sell more bundles they will.

“I’m not a foot guy” ~Zeddy

I have to agree, im not a fan of the Art direction the cards have gone in lately, or even some of the hero skins. Like Zeddy said, considering this is the 10 year Ani it just feels... lack luster. I miss how amazing the cards used to look back when they was still using the TCG artwork, now adays it just feels alot of the art is jsut "Lol so random meme"

Makes me so very sad how tangible the budget cuts towards hearthstone have become😒

While I think the signature eudora is horrendous and the beach hero portraits are too goofy (Except for N'zoth that one goes hard) I'd be fine with the more cartoonish art if more WoW art/older style art were used just as much

The theme variety is amazing. I got so tired of them trotting out the old gods and continually the same old icons, it hearthstone, they should create new icons - like they have been

The theme is ok. Hearthstone is its own thing. I’ve always wanted them to do an expansion where they bring in cards from the StarCraft universe. Even if it’s a 1 time thing. Could be called Portals to a Parallel Universe.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

Or at least a Tavern Brawl. The Diablo ones were pretty good.

Me personally I've been ok with Whizbang and the theme of Perils in Paradise, I do wish they did something like the Barrens-Stormwind-Alterac storyline where it was a progressive storyline. But like I said I'm ok with what we have right now!

Tbh i do prefer the WoW themes but i guess its probably the cards and their abilities that really appeals to me

I just don't like the very colorful, pop art style. Which exists even in the more serious recent stuff. Acolyte of Pain or Slvannas were some of my favorite card art, because they do not look like they are from Clash of Clans.

I like more serious expansions with theme (like Whispers of the old gods and Titans that made me return to game) but I also understand the importance of more silly themed expansions and that they wanted to celebrate 10 years of hearthstone with it but I also thought that Whizbang Workshop was meant to be 10 year anniversary expansion with refferences to previous expansions so I can see why people might be dissapointed in new expansion theme and worry that the last expansion might be silly one again but I wouldn't mind it IF the next year we would have 3 serious expansions (Something that I always wanted is 3 expansions themed around lore of warcraft 1, 2 and 3 something like in year of gryphon) or last expansion being half serious half silly (like the darkmoon faire with silly theme being well Theme Park and serious theme being old gods corrupting everything in this park (which I might be wrong but I think it became like this because people speculated that darkmoon faire in WoW was hidden cult of Y'shaarj which was torn off by Titans during early life of Azeroth and Part of him remained on planet or something like that please correct me if I'm wrong I don't know lore of WoW and I'm 90% sure blizzard don't know either))

I wouldnt be shocked if we got a AFK signature who is just doing the goatse pose.

I dont know anything about warcraft lore, but maybe there just arent any "serious" locations in the warcraft lore left to theme around in HS

@generalsdragons6952

5 күн бұрын

There are lots of thematic setting to explore in WOW. They do have goblin vacation areas in the game.

@marcellosouzabeltrao9257

5 күн бұрын

nyalotha,all destruction of deatwing , pandária, nazmir and drustvar , etc

@MrkraZzz

5 күн бұрын

That's not the case.

I think HS was rather goofy since day one and I love it :)

Youre right Zeddy but at the same time they can exploit theme like this, for a creator perspective its always good to be able to go anywhere with your idea and mechanic... something that magic the gathering cannot do.

I always liked Ben Brode's approach to themes for Hearthstone, he would do one serious expansion and then one silly one so everyone would be happy. The game is supposedly based on WoW, but sure is a lot more serious/death in WoW currently with characters like Varian, Saurfang being killed off and the stuff Sylvanas was doing too compared to HS and let's all go to the beach.

I dont mind goofy expansions but we now had 3 in a row. its jarring. back then goofy expansions were in between serious ones for a break.

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

I wish we had a new adaptation of a WoW raid as an adventure, like we had with BRM or Karazhan.

I love when thhe expsnsions are directly Warcraft themed. Maybe a zone, or a Dungeon, or a Raid, even if its exagerated like Gadgetzan or Un'Goro. Its too goofy now, just skins of older cards and not appealing at all.

I have to disagree with you on Badlands. Just being western doesn't make it more serious by default. The set is quite goofy and the silliness is pushed more than it needed to be. I've been saying it a lot on this topic but the big issue comes down not just to the theming of the set being silly in general but the clear pushed childish aspects and not having art that presents itself in a direct or expected manner. I keep using Decent of Dragons as a go to example, because the sets premise is villains stealing a city. But Galakron and the other legendary dragons look intimidating and powerful in their art because that's what they are. It didn't stop the set from having its light hearted nature but it was applied where it fit. Now we have dragons eating cheese, and people sunbathing on a beach. The DK Tourist is an Abomination, which is a horrifying monstrosity of multiple corpses stitched together, and hes in swim trunks and a T-shirt goofing off at the beach. It's tonally jarring and absolutely child-focused. But that's what has been going on for a while now. Aside from Titans, sets these days push that goofier tone rather than art that represents a realistic or direct tone to a card. Even Nathria, a set involving murder in the literal underworld, is still somehow mostly goofy. There is a way to do both, and Titans proves they can still do it, but instead they go forward with a beach vacation set as if anybody thought that's what hearthstone needed.

I hadn't really noticed, but it's a good point. I'm more concerned with their scummy practice of nerfing cards right before a new set release, not for the health of the game, but so you feel like you have to get the new cards to be competitive.

@REDDAWNproject

5 күн бұрын

it can be both. because reno is a highlander card, any highlander deck gets more powerful the more cards are in standard naturally. it makes sense to preemptively nerf reno.

@Zakading

5 күн бұрын

I'm not even upset about them nerfing cards, but consistently, every single time a mini-set came out, a whole wave of cards from each of them ended up nerfed - cards you most likely won't have any dupes off to disenchant.

I just don't understand why for the game's 10 year anniversary, they didn't even think about bringing the One Night in Karazhan vibes back and have the expansion themed around a giant party. Would have been perfect way to celebrate the game's history.

The combination of card names/arts with the effects seem to me to become more and more random

@DavidSmith-cr7mb

5 күн бұрын

yes. often times i cannot tell why a card was named as it was anymore.

“gave the bikini to the furry” Sir, that is a fox. (Also Eudora is a dungeon boss in Warcraft) But yeah I can understand the complaints. The last few expansions are a bit too cheery. I’m not sure if that has to do with the celebratory nature of the expansion sets

I get it isn’t really Warcraft, but I really like all the new card art

I can deal with ugly art or ugly gameplay, don't want to bother with both at once.

Just my personal opinion on things: I'm totally fine when things are silly and I think it can be good for a card game to have whimsy and silliness as a refresher. With that being said, I personally enjoy darker concepts being explored in card games especially with games similar to MTG where creatures/minions dying is a core aspect of the game. I would like to go back to seeing the game be darker with elements of humor splashed in and I think that when the game is more focused around WoW, that tends to be easier. From my recollection, there's only a couple devs on the Hearthstone team who have history playing WoW, so I think it might be a little more difficult to get to that point again since the WoW storyline is so large.

I love the silliness in my silly card game

@tclfan0180

5 күн бұрын

Silly card game which is based in warcraft ultimately. It has completely lost the dark/ high fantasy feel of Warcraft and it’s a shame.

@arvsta96

5 күн бұрын

​@@tclfan0180wow lost that when wotlk ended

@gankfrombush

5 күн бұрын

​@@tclfan0180 titans? Lich king? Nathria? All of year of the wolf? Is it just cognitive dissonance or what

@REDDAWNproject

5 күн бұрын

​@@tclfan0180its a bar game IN warcraft. Warcraft has always been a diluted version of warhammer. The goofiness IS what makes HS interesting. Otherwise, you might as well play mtg or warhammer or flesh and blood since those games are generally serious fantasy. This is such a dumb complaint. You just want hearthstone to be generic fantasy slop.

@mhdualbladesonly

5 күн бұрын

​@@tclfan0180wow is silly

>A game about Warcraft characters playing a card game >"Why the themes are so silly???!!!!!!!!111111oneoneone"

I started trying out WoW recently and the storytelling and cutscenes are so reminiscent of little children's cartoons that I'm honestly glad they're not trying to pretend to be deeper only to fail with Hearthstone like they seem to have with WoW's storylines before.

@Lovyxia

5 күн бұрын

I do need to add that the biggest problem with the Hearthstone designs is the tonal whiplash and dissonance it tends to have between sets or classes. Especially when it comes to things such as blood magic where it's just glowy red swirls in the air rather than actually like blood in any way.

@marcellosouzabeltrao9257

5 күн бұрын

@@Lovyxia well over the years there have been several different stories in wow some silly others quite serious most are hidden or are in the classic until whath the lich king although i like the story of pandaria

I have to agree the anniversary should have been more Warcraft things and a little more serious and we got a toy shop with the really bad introduction video like you said it seems to be more Whimsical and funny than it is serious and Warcraft. I'm someone who plays both World of Warcraft OverWatch and Diablo I've been buying HearthStone for a while so I do understand where people are coming from feeling that Hearthstone to whimsical.

If you could make a video going over the decklist changes in the twist decks that'd be really cool, especially with the new season coming tomorrow :)

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

C'thun seems to have been given some board buffs, as well as Spreading Plague.

My primary issue with things wouldn't be the themes themselves, so much as the fact that they're not used for anything. If all these crazy themes, cool or not, don't GO anywhere, they can just be whatever I don't really care, because it doesn't matter anymore.

You know, I understand how most of the recent expansions haven't felt very "warcraft" like in the slightest, but i feel titans is where it turned less serious and more goofy. Shocking I know, but instead of having a more grounded way to make the expansion "FEEL" like it should, it just felt like they were trying to be ominous, but instead just couldn't be serious with their crap trailer. Personally, I prefer many of the older expansions for the trailers for how they felt more desirable to want to play and see what they're like, be able to have a memorable reason to go back and watch. But MOTLK, Titans, Whizbangs Workshop, Nathria, all didn't make me hyped up for the expansion, it instead made me not care about them as much. FOL is where I got more interested because despite the cards being broken at the moment, still made me wonder what it was going to feel like. I prefer trailers with a catchy tune and lyrics that make me want to repeat it. Many of the expansion trailers is why i like hearthstone, and when they started to add the signitures after MOTLK, it was feeling less Warcraft, and more of an art showcase of how cartoony can we make our characters look to make people spend money?

actually the board and updated themes is what I enjoy about new expansions, they HAVE to bring them

I might be biased, since I joined Hearthstone during Festival of Legends, but I don't mind the unserious expansions, particularly during this year. Since this is a celebration of 10 year hearthstone, I would imagine that this year will havr a lot of fan-service with regards to returning hearthstone characters. I do think that it's healthier for that kind or fanservice to be more rare during normal years, since that will make the returning characters more appreciated

Personally, I think that artworks also have gotten worse and themes are not the main issue. They feel less detailed, less epic. For example, compare new Patches with old one - the difference is very clear. Incindius is a big standout for me, but many say this artwork is old. I think Hearthstone has gotten to the point where devs figured out a very clear and consistent image for cards and now this is what they always direct artists to go for. Even TItans (which is considered to be very Warcraft expansion) still feel too cartoonish imo. In addition to that, we also see that some old artists no longer work with Hearthstone anymore. You find some old cool Hearthstone art only to realize that this artist no longer works with them or if they do then it's pretty clear that their art direction changed due to the developed image for HS cards I was talking about before.

I really love this art styles. I think its always HS style, yes in first expansions recycles old arts etc. But now thats the truly HS and HS style. And i wanna see more funny and different styles for characters etc. Same as we have in HoTS... ❤️😊

@robertlupa8273

5 күн бұрын

It still makes me sad that we never got HS-exclusive characters in HotS. Let me play as Rafaam, dammit! Imagine if he had a similar ult to Sylas (League of Legends). _"I like your ultimate. I think I will TAKE IT!"_

@TNTLordArthas

5 күн бұрын

@@robertlupa8273 Yeah, that will be cool there are ton of cool characters... Or have HS skins set for all chars... 😻

Hey guys I saved up some achievemnt xp from whizbang and badlands. Will I be able to use it on the Perils in Paradise reward track or will it turn into the orange useless stuff?

@adrian12520

5 күн бұрын

When the new expansion comes out, this will be turned into achievement points.

@cotnesiradze3520

5 күн бұрын

It should carry over

@kuangyautan5316

5 күн бұрын

Unsure. It usually becomes achievement points but with this newest set, they allowed badlands achievement xp to rollover to whizbang expansion. 1. Not sure if they let whizbang achievement xp to rollover to PiP's reward track 2. If they do (1), not sure if they would let badlands achievement xp to rollover as well since it is 2 expansions ago. Meaning we have precedent of 1 expansion achievement xp rolling over to the next expansion but no precedent for 2 expansion achievement xp to rollover to the new expansion. Your goto person to ask this is probably RidiculousHat

@arvsta96

5 күн бұрын

Whizbang you'll be able to get xp for since it's previous xpac, badlands won't

@tarille1043

5 күн бұрын

They recently changed how achievement experience worked so that the exp is forever available (At the cost of having less overall exp) Meaning it should carry over and you can continue to complete the achivements even after new sets are released.

We went from sweaty men fight with each other to fix problems to furries going on vacation

They just need to give more of a range of card styles each expansion. Definitely like this expansion more than whizbang’s workshop already but they could mix in some more ‘cool’ or gritty style cards into the recent expansions.

I have never even considered that one could find this an issue People say "all the recent expansions were childish" but Badlands definitely wasn't childish, so we're just saying "the last two"? I seriously don't think there are too many childish expansions.

I always knew that episode 10 is usually the beach episode in anime. So for year ten for Hearthstone felt normal for me 🙂

I don't think I've even noticed the artwork on Hearthstone cards. To me, a card is mana cost, keywords, attack/life, and abilities/effects. The art is irrelevant.

Im ok with the silly lore if i want to get "serious " i play some wow i miss the big serialized expansion tho like the trylogy of evil league uldum and galakrond i think i can be silly but needs sime story and adventure theme

i wish they would do something like the mercenaries trilogy once again

I played warcraft 3 in the 90s (and the prequels) and I played wow from 2004 until 2024 on and off (nothing after wotlk) and I just felt disheartened that even the warcraft namesake sets have no warcraft style art at all and barely any key npc's from those zones. Perils in paradise should of been Stranglethorn Vale themed and the opportunities there for amazing artwork and characters are insane... give us diehard wow players some nods in the character design just once! like you used to! jeez

Hearthstone players played so much hearthstone they forgot how to have fun and enjoy fun and goofy expansion themes