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@diegoviniciomejiaquesada4754

2 жыл бұрын

Mi querido Missing Enigma... Me alegra que sepas español. Voy a hacer que recuerdes el idioma escribiendo mis comentarios en Español. XD

@eathanharris42

2 жыл бұрын

I think his boots could have easily gotten strung around and away from the other items if an animal was eating on a piece of his legs..and the gun well for all we know the guy that found the remains could have simply took the gun and kept it for himself and denied ever seeing a gun ... something simple like these reasons are likely the answers

@lillith77

2 жыл бұрын

Your Spanish wasn't bad but you were hard on the r's. Do you speak another language?

@sofiedevroede3175

2 жыл бұрын

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@sofiedevroede3175

2 жыл бұрын

Ñ0

If "Friends" of mine cancelled a trip, then went without me only to tease me about where they were I would never talk to them again.

@Alanoffer

Жыл бұрын

I’m glad the dog was found

@chillwill842003

Жыл бұрын

@@Alanoffer i'm not glad Todd wasn't found...ALIVE !!!!!

@jeremiahdssdentmorgan3341

Жыл бұрын

Those are NOT friends !!!

@SuicideVan

Жыл бұрын

Keep in mind we are hearing this fourth hand on a youtube video. It could have been cops playing that angle up out of desperation.

@alph8654

Жыл бұрын

With friends like they were no one needs any enemies.

I’m only halfway in. The anecdote about them inviting Todd on hunting and fishing trips and then “canceling” only to go by themselves and tease him about not being there breaks my heart. That is so nasty, and that makes me so sad.

@mikegibson4332

9 ай бұрын

Seems like they did something to him

@Patrichor777

9 ай бұрын

They probably did accidentally or purposely kill him like the psychic detective said. Perhaps they used Todd's gun and later hid/destroyed it to get rid of evidence.

@the.mr.schrader

7 ай бұрын

@@mikegibson4332I Doubt They Did Something Directly.

@jonmulack4226

5 ай бұрын

Not my version of a friend.

@blucheer8743

4 ай бұрын

Ya those aren’t friends they are assholes you know…

As a former S&R guy; never be bashful about asking for help or thinking you’ll ruin those guys day or some nonsense. We lived for it and were always thrilled to help and out our skills to use. 👍

Anyone who has ever been out in the wild will tell you that a bad knee can be a death sentence. Therefore, separating from a friend who isn't well is a complete lie. It might make sense to a city park hiker or a youtube professor but out there in the true wilderness it doesn't happen. Heck, even if your sat phone is dead or your emergency supplies are compromised, I AM NOT LEAVING YOU ALONE, PERIOD.

@brandibucko

11 ай бұрын

Hehe this is the first time I’ve heard the term KZread professor

@debraowen6723

9 ай бұрын

Mrtalkingzero, I agree. We don't leave people alone in the wilderness.

@angelg8445

9 ай бұрын

What’s your point?

@bubblegum1948

9 ай бұрын

Completely agree with you.

@elizabethandeldinkamberovi1929

8 ай бұрын

you're insane claiming its "a complete lie" when it's 100% possible and DOES happen. what makes you so confident the people you never met or knew wouldnt leave someone out there?

Know who your friends are before you travel out into the middle of nowhere with them. This is scary stuff.

@scojo6377

2 жыл бұрын

Be weary of companions who can't swim if youre going where water is. Heard a bad story from the bwca, told by the survivor, apparently they (two men) were canoe-ing down a river and one of them caught a fish, they got exited and tipped the conoe. The guy who couldnt swim just sat there clinging to the upturned canoe and could not be coaxed into trying for shore. So eventually the guy who could swim left him there. (What's he gonna do wrestle a scared man in the cold water and get drowned?) Anywho long stoory short he spent a few nights freezimg his butt off, then found his way out and gave up drinking thereafter according to him. I forget the man's name but I listened to his cautionary lecture about respecting the woods, in person at VCC in Ely MN. Nice guy, I won't go camping with a person who can't swim, I just don't want a story like that on my head.

@am2023

2 жыл бұрын

The start of a horror movie from all angles

@drillpower812

2 жыл бұрын

@@scojo6377 Hey, this is a bit confusing. So his friend just drowned?

@scojo6377

2 жыл бұрын

@@drillpower812 yeah , he said he couldn't get the guy to let go of the canoe and he also couldn't tow the canoe by swimming. He said he tried to give him anything that would float to hang onto and the guy just refused to help himself to shore. I imagine he got too cold to hang on or the canoe went totally under and he drowned. He said he was talking to him the whole time and that the guy had basically said words to the effect that he had accepted death. I think his main point was to never give up. But yeah he said the guy just gave up and died like that. Meanwhile he got lost for a few days and found a guy with a cabin.

@Scuba_Bro

2 жыл бұрын

True, and you never see people that often saying they are looking for a hunting partner to go on a hunting trip lol. I know I’d feel uneasy just reading the post 🤣

Anybody with any type of anxiety will not pass a polygraph test. In high school one of our classes brought the police in to show us what they do. I was one of the ones chosen to do a polygraph. I didn't pass any question they asked me including my own name and birthrate. I found out later if you have anxiety you almost never pass these tests. I've always has severe anxiety.

@nenhumnome4149

Жыл бұрын

Or your name is not Jennifer and you are an immortal vampire

@orchunter8388

Жыл бұрын

What is your birthrate? 1/1 1/2 second of 2 triplets quadruplets? In what order? Mom should have at least told you. But if you were one baby it’s a sure bet it’s 1/1. 😅

@PungiFungi

Жыл бұрын

That is why polygraphs are never admissible in court.

@randomusername5242

Жыл бұрын

I somewhat trusted them until I had one done for the police academy. I had to retake it after failing the questioning about drug usage, and I've never taken drugs in my life. At that point any trust I had in that machine was broken.

@Usernamesdontmatter1

Жыл бұрын

Polygraphs are pseudoscience. There is a reason why it's generally inadmissible in a criminal case.

The thought of the family dog being reunited and running to the surviving family members, truly warms my heart. A silver lining in a sad situation

@MegCazalet

2 ай бұрын

Yes! Anything with dogs adds heightened emotion to me. Poor Ruby lost her dad, but at least she was reunited with people she knew. I hope the family showered her with love.

@RescueAlwaysOfficial

26 күн бұрын

​@@MegCazalet me too!

@AA-ed6ek

21 күн бұрын

@@MegCazalet Ugh.

Interesting case, well presented! I am a forensic anthropologist, there are a couple of interesting things that I can see, particularly in the cranial fragments seen at 13:31, 13:35 and 19:33. They show bending, radiating fractures and adhesion; all of which suggest that the skull was fractured at or around the time of death-- while the bone is still pliable. Now, "at or around the time of death" can be anywhere from seconds to days after death (depending on environmental conditions) but the pattern and placement are consistent with a blow to the occipital region (blunt force trauma to the back of the head) near and slightly behind the right ear. These injuries could be caused by a fall, a slip in which the victim hits their head on a hard object (like a rock or log), or a hit from a solid object, any of which would have been fatal. The scapula shows chew marks from a scavenger, but that is almost certainly produced in the ten years that the body lay exposed and is unlikely to be related to his death in any way. Just some idle thoughts that you may find interesting.

@r.c.miller6161

Жыл бұрын

I would love to see your professional forensic analysis of the JFK assassination.

@TheThora17

Жыл бұрын

Great observations!! Thanks for that! Very interesting

@clareomarfran

Жыл бұрын

I trust you've shared these insights with the local sheriff's office. Gun and boots missing, signs of blunt force trauma. Would think law enforcement would jump on this.

@juliaconnell

Жыл бұрын

that's really interesting, and quite impressive, thank you for sharing Brian.

@denisforman854

Жыл бұрын

@@clareomarfran UNLESS THEY JUST WANT IT TO GO AWAY BECAUSE THEY BLUNDERED SO FAR AND ADMITTING MISTAKES IS LIKE PULLING TEETH

I'm a outdoors, hunter, former shooting competitor, been hiking for decades and like someone below said, a gun and pair of boots is something one would NEVER lose or give up. Those so called "friends" know exactly what happened and I believe after watching the video and reading other stories, he was murdered. If a DA had the balls, these friends should have been interrogated and had a deep investigation done (including background checks) on them. They damn well know what happened. RIP sir and prayers for your family.

@danathompson6358

2 жыл бұрын

Quite possibly Todds boots were taken from him so he couldn't go for help, and the revolver...well that too was taken.

@DestroyedArkana

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah at worst they actually killed him and at best they stole his boots and revolver and left him on the opposite side of the creek and just left him to die, possibly injured. I feel like them saying "he hurt his leg" is a cover for them disabling him.

@thecrankster4162

2 жыл бұрын

Agree 100%

@c0rnp0p80

2 жыл бұрын

Or someone found his remains and gun and took it some time in those 10 years. Idk about the boots though. But someone could have found him and decided he didn't need that .45 anymore and took it.

@lorimiller4301

2 жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the story where the little boy goes into a cave and sees a bunch of shoes and guns. He said they were old and covered in dust. The woman he was with who appeared to be his Grandma asked him to go to the bathroom but he didn't have to go. Something else could be going on here and his friends could be innocent just feeling guilty for leaving him. Regardless, someone hurt and killed a dog. More should have been done to see if there was a microchip or any way to find out who did that.

Friend shot him "accidentally" and then used the help of his dad and boat to move the body, once the search was terminated he went back to dump the body in a spot that wouldn't raise suspicion. Based on the evidence that's the most likely explanation. Dogs couldn't find him because the body was elsewhere during the search.

@Richie8a8y

Жыл бұрын

Wow - diabolical and probably exactly what went down.

@ct5625

Жыл бұрын

People put too much stock in dogs searching for people. Evidence suggests that unless the dog is directly familiar with the person and highly trained, there's something like a 50/50 chance of success. Basically it's not much more successful than someone guessing where the person is and looking there.

@Ellie-rx3jt

Жыл бұрын

​@@ct5625 Yeah you've only got to look at cases like Geraldine Largay, where it became apparent when her body was found two years later that search teams with dogs had passed only a few hundred feet away from her campsite.

@ModestCasanovaa

Жыл бұрын

Exactly the same thing I put together except I didn't add the part where he took the body and brought it back later. Very much possible. Or him and his dad dumped the body in a good spot and came back alter to throw Todds things out.

@evocati6523

Жыл бұрын

@@Ellie-rx3jt scent isn't a magic dust that covers the area, dogs can miss a source 10 ft away if the wind is blowing the wrong way. That's not the dog's fault, it can't hit on what it can't smell

I live in Idaho and the mountains are absolutely crawling with rattlesnakes. A snake bite could explain delirious wanderings for a day or two, and would be undetectable after so much decomposition.

@13donstalos

10 ай бұрын

Damn you're probably right

@deannekliene2673

9 ай бұрын

It's called snake river for some reason 😮

@same5952

7 ай бұрын

You gotta watch out for these snakes! They just love to steal people's guns and boots.

@Rainforestdelight

7 ай бұрын

Snake bite and other animal attacks are probably the cause for many missing persons who disappeared in the wilderness.

@georgehanson2978

6 ай бұрын

Maybe. But why the missing gun and boots?

My mother Michelle was friends with Todd and Julie since they moved to pollock Idaho or something like that outside of riggins Idaho. We always went to their coffee shop! In fact my mom lived in the apartments that was behind the stand in year 2008-2009 (or maybe earlier I can’t recall I was pretty young). I remember my mom calling me about Todd’s disappearance in 2010 and how shocked the whole town was but everyone had hope that he’d be found. Well In December when I’d go visit my mom during school winter break he was still never found and so we had a little “celebration of life” if ya will for him. 😢 and then as years went on I guess I sort of forgotten the story cause I thought that was the closure and then I came across this video and OMG. So SO many unanswered questions. RIP Todd Hofflander 😢❤

@rockstarofredondo

Жыл бұрын

What is your opinion on Julie’s statement about the way these guys treated Todd? Did you know his “friends” too?

@sassagrass7095

Жыл бұрын

So damn heartbreaking all around :(

@enigma90

9 ай бұрын

Do they still own the coffee shop? I used to get beans and coffee there when we had our cabin in Pollock. I miss that cabin no cell service! We did have power just no running water. I’d have to build an outhouse area with our portable toilet every time we went up. I never thought I’d hear that little town named on the big screen if you will, let alone Riggins. Although there’s been two other missing persons cases in that area a few years back. I was shocked to hear about those, I believe they both went missing the same day. A third vanished in Idaho same day but it was a different area and I don’t know too much but about that third case though. Also I just remembered a young girl that went missing in Riggins a couple years ago also. I am not sure what happened with that case either I didn’t hear anything else about it.

@Mau-map3

7 ай бұрын

Yeah 😊

@georgehanson2978

6 ай бұрын

Todd was only 39 at the time Did he have a history of knee trouble or injuries?

I'm so happy that at least the dog turned up. In other videos of people telling this story that I've watched, they just briefly mention he went missing with the dog and then never spoke of it again. I know some people don't really care for animals and find it insensitive to be glad an animal survived when a human died. But just because I'm happy the dog lived doesn't mean I'm not sad that Todd did not.

@marysisak2359

Жыл бұрын

agree

@mikerico5568

Жыл бұрын

I know right?

@glamdolly30

Жыл бұрын

Strange how dogs give humans such total loyalty and devotion, they will even follow their owner into the wilderness. Yet in a story like this, we don't return that loyalty to them, but instead mock those who express thanks that the animal at least was spared the tragic death of its owner. I too give thanks that sweet Ruby lived. I felt heart-sore when there was mention of a 'skinned dog' having been found in the river. Very glad it was not her - I hope that was not another poor dog cruelly killed. The fact Todd's 'friend' Jeff was said to have a history of cruelty to dogs, raised serious concerns about the possibility of foul play. If a person is mean to a dog, who only wants to love and be loved, what hope do the people in his life have? It is surely suspicious that Todd's gun and boots were apparently missing when his remains were finally found. Of course it's possible in the 10 years he was missing, someone simply stumbled upon them and took them, without reporting the discovery to police. The boots were presumably on his feet, so it suggests whoever took them was aware of his death. That is chilling - but it doesn't mean the thief necessarily killed him. I hope sweet Ruby had/is having a good life back with her family, and wasn't taken on any more hunting trips. She deserved a peaceful life of home comforts and quiet family times, after the trauma of losing her owner Todd. Yes, if anyone doubts it, animals feel grief, and they mourn the loss of loved ones!

@DaithiONUALLAIN-ow3es

Жыл бұрын

The dog got a mention because of the other dog they found dead . His friends killed Todd no doubt.

@glamdolly30

Жыл бұрын

@@DaithiONUALLAIN-ow3es Are you saying you believe Todd was killed by his human friends? If so, I agree.

I find it very strange that they couldn’t find their friend and when it got dark just said “enough for today, we’ll try again tomorrow” and just go to bed without notifying rangers that he was missing and could still be alive at that point.

@tgbluewolf

8 ай бұрын

I'm by no means a survival expert or anything, but from what I've heard from other people, stopping the search in the dark is solid advice--it's bad enough if one person is lost, but would-be rescuers getting lost would just compound the problem. As for alerting the rangers, who knows what signal service was like out there. (Definitely not trying to excuse jeff and his father, they absolutely seem suspicious based on Todd's wife's interview; just explaining how these could be solid reasons in similar missing person scenarios.)

@Mau-map3

7 ай бұрын

Jeff and his father killed todd

@PoetiqueMs

6 ай бұрын

I think Jeff either accidentally or intentionally killed Todd, and the father helped cover it up. ​@Mau-map3

@charleshopkins87

5 ай бұрын

It's very steep, dark hiking too dangerous.

@LaughingblueSu

4 ай бұрын

​@@PoetiqueMs i agree 100%. I bet they still have that pistol in their possession.

As a friend out hunting in those areas and conditions, and another friend having issues with his knee or whatever, I wouldn't leave him to walk out to a cabin and myself going a completely different way to get help. Go with him to the cabin and seek help from there.

@thebeasters

Жыл бұрын

Even with a bum knee he literally could have crawled to the cabin though it could have taken a while, he was young healthy other than a hurt knee And he's not stupid enough to hide in the brush when there's a search team after him This is foul Play

@kolbykemp1616

Жыл бұрын

I agree seams too much like foul play

@floydiandreamscapes5145

Жыл бұрын

I agree, some friend! Leave tour buddy alone, hurting.

@adamhomb6012

Жыл бұрын

Makes no sense leaving behind your “buddy” with a bum leg. In my hunting party, everyone would take turns keeping him close. I know that is purely circumstantial but, just too convenient for the friends.

@maximo6037

Жыл бұрын

He didn't even go for help....just to continue scouting

Whoever did the artwork for this video did an amazing job.

@nokiot9

Жыл бұрын

As always

@fergalohearga9594

Жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@jomontanee

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree!

@user-ov1fl5hk4s

5 ай бұрын

So true.👍

@tropicalpunch8590

Ай бұрын

looks like AI art to me but I could be wrong

His hiking buddy should not have left him alone if his knee was acting up.

@marjoriegarner5369

2 жыл бұрын

yes. very suspicious, for many reasons.

@polkadots716

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. That _may_ be why Jeff failed the polygraph. He could have _felt_ guilty, because it was a heartless thing to do. I have some disabilities and there are plenty of people---even so-called friends---who can be cruel. They either act like you're a burden on them, or treat you as if you must be malingering or exaggerating your disability for attention.

@penelopelopez8296

2 жыл бұрын

Some friend….leaving him like that.

@jshaw4757

2 жыл бұрын

@@penelopelopez8296 They then 'decided' they would separate....it was a casual smart decision among friends...his friend didn't just say I'm going too leave you....they decided together...

@jshaw4757

2 жыл бұрын

It's the fastest way too get help....you stay where you are and I will get the help don't move....even if he stayed he could not have carried his friend its the best choice

If he had his revolver with him during the initial search, he would have been able to discharge it and let people know of his position. The fact the revolver was not present seems to indicate that he was already gone by the time the search started.

@rogerramjet6429

2 жыл бұрын

You should join the Olympic Games with all that jumping to conclusions, in leaps and bounds to ignore the number of other possibilities. 🏅 🏅 🏅

@JoeSkylynx

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogerramjet6429 mostly just basing off what hunters are taught to do during emergency situations. In case of helicopters or nearby voices, shoot gun with deliberate 3 ~ 5 second pauses. And still the fact the gun has yet to be found is strange. Not to mention the whole thing with the dog. It just... Doesn't feel right?

@holdenweese9589

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely a possibility, could have unfolded differently but its one of those things we just might never know

@timothyhyena3106

2 жыл бұрын

@@rogerramjet6429 who died and made you comment police?

@rickstorm4198

2 жыл бұрын

I made him comment police and my authority is absolute.

I'm glad the dog got home safe. She must've been so scared and confused. Who knows what she saw out there.

Why were grown men acting like grade school kids by setting dates for fishing and then changing. Tod should never have gone with him.

@KitKat_2007

2 ай бұрын

They are bullies. I feel bad for Todd.

@jlt131

Ай бұрын

@@KitKat_2007 bullies with guns, and probably too much beer. it's the worst kind of bully.

An interesting case. The polygraph, the character statement, missing revolver & the body seemingly hidden make me think foul play.

@honeybea69

2 жыл бұрын

Polygraphs aren't scientific, or even allowed in court. They're basically meaningless

@generaladvance5812

2 жыл бұрын

@@honeybea69 Oh yeah if it were that alone I'd not put much weight on it. But combined with all the other things I mentioned. Just my thoughts, not saying it's correct.

@christineconley9810

2 жыл бұрын

If he was still alive he would of heard the helicopters and search team, just saying.

@rogerramjet6429

2 жыл бұрын

@@christineconley9810 I've been in a position to hear others but couldn't do anything about letting them know I was there. Your comment is ignoring the multiple reason people cannot respond or may be just asleep. Try thinking outside that little box your head is stuck in.

@ChrissieBear

2 жыл бұрын

Polygraphs don't actually work though.

Nobody needs that kind of "friends". If you know ppl like that, leave.

Very interesting that Ruby was found a few days later, looking perfectly fine, well fed, and with her pack removed. It's possible that one of Todd's "friends" took care of the dog but hard to see why they'd care, or why they'd turn the dog loose a few days later. I suppose it is also possible that Ruby found a campsite or loner's mountain cabin who took her in as an ordinary lost dog and fed her, and then she left again.

@FRLN500

Жыл бұрын

A loners mountain cabin? Really? 😂

@randomcoyote8807

Жыл бұрын

@@FRLN500 Well, for the record, I doubt it; his killers took the dog then cut it loose. But I try to guess what the defense would say.

@georgehanson2978

6 ай бұрын

Someone cared for the dog before it was found. How far from Todd’s body was the dog found?

@Anna-iz1tt

3 ай бұрын

I think it's possible that the poor dead dog that was found during their search, the dog that was tortured to death, actually WAS Ruby and Jeff or his friends found a near identical dog and trained her to answer to Ruby and Todd's names then placed her in a search location where they figured she would be found. Ruby being highly suspected of having been tortured to death would have been very suspicious as far as what may have happened to Todd and would have made it very much more likely in the minds of police, that Todd had been murdered. Put that in with that Jeff was known to abuse and beat dogs. It does not make sense that the real Ruby would have been unscathed when she was alleged to have been found, with a clear and shiny coat, well fed, no scratches or abrasions, without her owner etc... unless that dog was, at least possibly, NOT Ruby.

@jlt131

Ай бұрын

@@Anna-iz1tt apparently you've never owned a dog. you can tell if your dog is your dog. unless the wife was in on it and somehow convinced her children. it's just not just responding to a name - it's the whole behaviour and personality of the dog. i promise you, they would know if it was an imposter dog.

I find no credit so assume you are the artist of the delightful drawings that add a wonderful addition to the story. Thank you for not blowing our ears out with music that often drowns out speakers on other videos.

The fact that another dog had been found skinned floating in the water seems like the weirdest part that wasn't really focused on there are some weird people and things in the woods.

@TheMuppyOtter

Ай бұрын

I think it could have just as likely been a coyote but we don’t have the pictures

With 'friends' like Todd's, who needs enemies? They were cruel and sadistic. Too bad for Todd he could not have found better. And, yes, I think they killed him.

@eucliduschaumeau8813

2 жыл бұрын

What two things would his "friends" be likely to take after doing him in? A nice new pair of boots? A huge .44 magnum pistol? The answer to both is "yes". I think they killed him too. They were not his friends.

@mazz6420

Жыл бұрын

I agree. I have to wonder if so called ‘friends’ forced him to take his boots off, took his gun off him, and played some kind of sick game of hunting him, or left him there telling him to find his own way home. They certainly sounded like they might be capable of it. I can’t understand why they weren’t investigated more, sounds like some laws need changing.

@maskcollector6949

Жыл бұрын

What if he was a pedophile or some shit? This story doesn't add up, he did something.

@ericthiel4053

Жыл бұрын

Yeah something doesn't add up. Thought along the same lines.

@ct5625

Жыл бұрын

@@eucliduschaumeau8813 I think it's likely Jeff took his boots and his gun after wounding him, knowing that he would need these two things to either escape the mountain or end his own life.

This had to have been a murder or some sort of accident that the other guys aren’t admitting to. You don’t just leave your friend who’s on a bad knee out in the middle of the wilderness. Plus it looks like his body was purposefully hidden out of plain sight so he wouldn’t be found. Seems extremely suspicious.

I like watching reports like this to learn from other people's mistakes and see what they did right. Todd's mistake seems to have been choosing the wrong friends. I have no problem discounting paranormal theories or psychics predictions as rubbish, but I know what people are like.

@Saffron-sugar

2 ай бұрын

So, you watch these videos to victim blame?

@jlt131

Ай бұрын

@@Saffron-sugar it's not victim blaming. it's recognizing mistakes in judgment so you don't repeat them yourself and wind up also on one of these videos.

Would have been interesting to see how the dog Ruby reacted around Todd's friend Jeff after the disappearance

@tessmoore3762

2 жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking.

@doveleboeuf6625

2 жыл бұрын

@ dale, how was she so healthy living out there with him for 10 years. Was someone feed her or God forbid she ate him to stay alive?? But, I think Jeff took his gun, and probably skinned that dog to make them think it was ruby??? No one searched their homes for the gun or boots!! At least Jeff knew something he failed the polygraph!! How come Steve was just at the right place to puck Jeff up in his boat!! He and Jeff had a plan to get that one of a kind gun of todds. And they done him dirty all the time lying about changing their minds about trips then call him laughing about it!

@ddsmiles6382

2 жыл бұрын

@@doveleboeuf6625 the dog was found within days of the search?? Not ten years later? I think you misunderstood that part.

@emmettburns7586

Жыл бұрын

If you pause it and read the transcripts after the dog is found, it mentions that she will not approach Jeff when he calls her.

@ddsmiles6382

Жыл бұрын

@@emmettburns7586 yes! I missed that part. Dogs know and never forget

I'm not sure how many people hunt that area but it's crazy that after an extensive the search it still took another 10 years for a hunter to stumble across him and his gear.

@vnine542

Жыл бұрын

He was killed hidden and then dumped 100%. I mean it’s a complete coincidence a passing by boat was also down the creek and for Todd to completely disappear in that space of time is ridiculous with a bad knee too.

With a "friend" like this poor guy had, you don't need enemies.

Anyone else breathe a huge sigh of relief in these stories when the dog is found safe and alive?

Very sad. Horrible friends. That poor family. Thoughts and prayers to them. RIP Todd

@mattscudder1975

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn’t have even called them friends. I get that people that work together or are good friends banter with each and I’m even guilty of screwing around or winding up people like I’ve told a close friend of mine that I’m going to buy or have bought him a copy of a well known adult film made in 1978 about a woman called Deborah doing something to a well known Texas city that’s also the name of an 80’s soap opera, obviously I’m only joking around with him. The thing is there’s a line that a friend, even a bad one, wouldn’t cross and this Jeff and Steve definitely crossed it. I’ve cancelled on meeting up with friends and family before now, I tend to find people difficult to understand and tiring and sometimes I just don’t feel like being around them (I’ve recently been diagnosed with being autistic) but I would never cancel on meeting up with someone only to call them up to describe that I was doing what we had originally planned on doing without them as even I know how cruel that would be.

@Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattscudder1975 Agreed. That's a rotten thing to do, so childish. I to have gotten distant from people, I just like to be left alone, especially at work, I hate it when people just come up, only a few I like to even talk to, I told everyone if I'm at my desk that's kinda tucked away by my paint booth, to not even bother me, if I wanna talk I'll walk out in the open a bit. There to work, not make friends, LoL I know I sound like a old miserable man

@greghaa

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattscudder1975 Jeff lied during the polygraph. Grain of salt and all that it does point to him being nervous so he is hiding something. I hope Jeff gets whatever is coming to him.

@teijaflink2226

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't trust them but I really hope he was not murdered because then they got away with it.

@tuckhorse

2 жыл бұрын

What are you entitled to some information that the rest of us are not or are you just guessing. You don't know that he they did anything wrong and if you think somebody should babysit you at in the woods you're mistaken

Seems to me that his mean spirited "friends" teased him in some way by telling him the wrong direction or luring him out and ditching him. Then they realized he was really lost and that's why they searched so hard. They were like "oh shoot, we screwed up" and were desperately trying to find him. Hence he failed the polygraph test too.

@Lilmickcrocodiledundee0001

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Bunch of fucking assholes. Poor family. RIP

@johncox2865

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe.

@rachapach6192

2 жыл бұрын

I think you're on to something. This sounds highly probable. Especially because the wife said that his "friends" would change plans on him at the last second and then go without him.. then they would call him and tell him all about the fun they were having on the trip. That doesn't sound like people that cared about him at all! Jeff failed a lie detector test so he knows more than he was letting on. I bet they took his boots and gun when they left him too which would explain why those items were not found with the body or at all for that matter. I'm not saying that this is what happened but I do think it's a really good theory.

@yourbuddyeric908

2 жыл бұрын

Also one of the psychics said that his friends may have accidentally killed him.

@rogerramjet6429

2 жыл бұрын

@@yourbuddyeric908 psychics say a lot of things. Hardly any is found to be true, except for a few well known that have history of being correct in other cases. Police won't normally acknowledge that they use them and they aren't paid either. There's just to many fakes, looking for attention or funds.

Is nobody going to mention that Todd had served some 7 years in a Wyoming state prison for strong arm robbery? I would think thats the kind of thing that goes to a person's character.

@corrineagnello4584

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you, that was not brought up??

@DavidRamirez-fe5dd

Жыл бұрын

Felons can't own guns, hmmm. Now the plot thickens about the kind of guys he hung out with and about Todd. Dunno... what a mystery

@tyffaneygrenier448

Жыл бұрын

My mother Michelle was friends with Todd and Julie since they moved to pollock Idaho or something like that outside of riggins Idaho. We always went to their coffee shop! In fact my mom lived in the apartments that was behind the stand in year 2008-2009 (or maybe earlier). I remember my mom calling me about Todd’s disappearance in 2010 and how shocked the whole town was but everyone had hope that he’d be found. Well In December when I’d go visit my mom during school winter break he was still never found and so we had a little “celebration of life” if ya will for him. 😢 and then as years went on I guess I sort of forgotten the story cause I thought that was the closure and then I came across this video and OMG. So SO many unanswered questions. RIP Todd Hofflander 😢❤

@TheQueensWish

Жыл бұрын

He did his time.

Wow. I could and would never leave a friend who hurt his knee. Very sad story.

It really warmed my heart to hear Ruby was able to come home. Just a really nice moment when I was expecting the worst for the poor girl.

I don’t take much stock in polygraph tests but based on the description of Jeff’s character and his father’s intervention, it definitely seems like he knows more than he’s letting on. If I had to guess, I would place my bets on him having accidentally caused Todd’s death by whatever means.

@JCO2002

2 жыл бұрын

Polygraph is pseudoscience and only used in the US (why, I don't know).

@shadeofthelamp1218

2 жыл бұрын

@@JCO2002 Agreed, it provides next to no insight into whether a person is lying or not.

@wynottgivemore9274

2 жыл бұрын

I had one taken for an sexual assault accusation ,the officer giving the test was very good and he had a conversation with me explaining how he needed to get a base line of where my head was on sexual preferences and my bedroom conduct...it was embarrassing for me cause I was in my 20s and really never talked about this stuff with anybody...but for the seriousness of the accusations I understood that he was just doing his job,but also cared that no one got falsely charged or vice versa... well I passed with all investigations towards me dropped in a mila second. Came to be it was my stepsons dad's mother that had it on for me,and coaxed him into false claims against me. She was a real treat, died not to many years later of full blown liver cancer. 😋

@marhawkman303

2 жыл бұрын

@Tom Foster Yeah, Jeff, just... seemed to "know stuff" that he shouldn't.

@4piecespicy589

2 жыл бұрын

Probably they was fighting over POON

I've never heard of splitting up on the trail. Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Two men walk in, one man walks out, the other man is found dead.

The visuals were really good for this case. The drawings were a real improvement over the animation used in many other crime stories. All in all a good thoughtful presentation.

This just makes me think of that case in Florida where a man named Jerry Michael Williams went duck hunting in winter & was supposedly killed & eaten by gators in 2000. His widow later married his best friend. In 2017 Williams ' body was found. He'd been murdered (shot) by the best friend who plotted his death with the widow for the insurance money. He also was the person who sold Jerry the policy in the first place. The couple were married only 6 yrs & she got 2.5 million It all came out when insurance guy/ hubby #2 kidnapped the black widow in 2016 out of fear she'd tell what he did since she had recently filed for divorce from him. But he wasn't stupid. He went to the police first, confessed , told where the body could be & made a deal where he'd get no more than 20 yrs. Denise Williams stood trial & got life but it was overturned .However she was resentenced and got 30 yrs. **The police had been told gators don't eat in winter which made them suspicious of the wife for years & his family kept the police investigating the cold case off & on for years with no results. This just goes to show you don't know what really happened when someone doesn't come back & others could know something.

@armandoreyna6649

Жыл бұрын

just watched that true story on the crime channel.

@liliannaogrady1391

Жыл бұрын

I remember this. His Mother never gave up. It's amazing how some people can just kill someone and go on with their lives as though nothing has happened. Not caring that the victim will not be able to live his life until it was his natural time to go but they also ruined many other lives like his Mom. I will never forget her and how determined she was

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830

Жыл бұрын

I remember that case, I also remember saying something about wild reptiles not eating during cold stretches.

@PungiFungi

Жыл бұрын

I am sure the ducks he preyed on were relieved.

@dorisadkins2464

9 ай бұрын

I remember the Williams case.He had a daughter also.Very Sad.

I got a feeling his "friend's" had something to do with it. Unless someone else came across his things within those ten years and took his boots and revolver and left the rest for someone else to find.

@mattscudder1975

2 жыл бұрын

I find it unlikely that someone else found his remains. Even if it was close to the time that Todd disappeared/died which would mean the sidearm and boots were in relatively good condition, then why take the boots. It’s not impossible that the boots were expensive and they took the valuable things with them, but most people don’t wear or buy second had boots or shoes, not to mention the fact that for several days, if not longer, the area was covered with all sorts of people searching for Todd and afterwards hunters were on the lookout for him. Also why just take those two things only? If you’re the type of person that’s going to literally take the boots off a dead man to steal them then you’re also likely to be the type that would take as much valuable or decent gear off the body as well. If they came across the remains later, like when Todd’s disappearance wasn’t on peoples minds as much then the items wouldn’t be in anywhere near good condition and wouldn’t make any sense in taking them. I’m of the opinion that that Jeff and Steve killed him.

@best-bullysscotland1016

2 жыл бұрын

I don't know why ou would leave our friend when he was having some problems very strange

@nicholas8428

2 жыл бұрын

Yea I truly believe his pos "friend" had something to do with all of this 👍💯 & for the lazy ass "police" to not investigate ALL leads no matter how crazy they may be pretty much paints you a picture of how shitty the search & rescue efforts must of been at the time 🤦🏼‍♂️

@jakee9389

2 жыл бұрын

anyone else read this with black eyed peas in their head

@lifesajoke6965

2 жыл бұрын

@@jakee9389 Now I cant help but hear it that way. Lol

One thing I’ve learned from watching many of your videos is that tracking dogs are far less effective than I thought.

@brookesef

9 күн бұрын

In another video he cites a paper saying that they are actually about 70% effective. You have to remember you are watching videos detailing the most 'mysterious' cases where people don't get found at all or are only found much later - its something of a 'biased' sample for determining overall if dogs are effective or not.

Seems a lot of people are under the assumption because the gun wasn’t with the body that it must have been foul play. But the hunters that found the body may not have been the first. The world is full of people who would find a bunch of gear on the ground and steal a gun without telling the police, not all Hunter and hikers are good people. The most interesting thing to me though, was how fine the dog was after several days “alone”

@ApathyBM

9 ай бұрын

Could be the dog ran after something and he chased after it then got hurt. Domestic dogs aren't the best hunters but they can probably make it with fresh water and scavenging

I remember this. I been hunting many times in that area. Pretty scary. Very weird they never found his weapons because nobody ever discards those. Men love their guns. It's the very last thing they would discard. This looks like he was killed by a person, that person took his weapons. Because he would not have discarded them

@C_AVATAR

2 жыл бұрын

Yep, foul play. The area where he was found. Yeah, right I would go camping in such thick brush...more like a place where they picked to hide the body.

@mikevader1988

2 жыл бұрын

Gun and boots …. Two things any man / hunter/ hiker / would NEVER lose, discard , remove, or ever forsake their importance. They have exhumed soldiers from WWII almost 90 years later , whom were buried in mass graves and their skeletal remains still had their boots on … The fact that his bones were scattered and only a few left , is an obvious sign of scavenging - So I guess the boots / leg bones could have been carried off by scavengers … But I don’t know of any scavengers that remove from a holster, then carry off a .44 magnum revolver … Could have been a pos that found him and took shit and said nothing… But who knows - My only thoughts are , if you plan to go on such trips , you need to have location tools if something bad happens , flare gun , SOS light , glow sticks , etc…. Don’t trust that your friend(s) good or bad , have the ability to help or save you. You need to be able to rely on yourself -

@CanadaTrapper1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikevader1988 my thoughts as well. Scavengers carried off his boots, most likely leather which scavengers like to chew on. And some douchebag (Probably the hunter that found his remains) found his gun(s) and kept them to himself.

@gala1ish

2 жыл бұрын

Surely if Jeff took the gun, (providing it was registered) he must have realised if it ever ever came to the attention of the police for whatever reason,, it could link him to the murder. Not a risk I would be willing to take

@Hubcapdiamondstarhalo

2 жыл бұрын

@@gala1ish he could of ditched it into the ground at anytime. He could of buried it miles away. He could of done alot of things with it that we'd never find out about. Who knows.

NEVER, ever take a polygraph. Lawyer up!!! There’s a reason it’s not admissible in court…

@oldgysgt

2 жыл бұрын

My late brother-in-law was an Army CID officer, and he admitted that a polygraph simply indicates a subject's emotions. I know of at least one case where a person failed a polygraph, and was later totally exonerated. Each to their own, but I would never submit to a polygraph exam.

@voidofspaceandtime4684

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldgysgt a polygraph attempts to estimate emotions. There was never rigorous r&d put into the design of these things nor years of actual research.

@mccallosone4903

2 жыл бұрын

never talk to police, period

@oldgysgt

2 жыл бұрын

@@voidofspaceandtime4684; yes, the "science" behind the polygraph is sketchy at best.

@stealthwarrior5768

2 жыл бұрын

@@oldgysgt dr. Phil uses polygraph tests to screw pple over. He us a sleazy person I.m.o

The absolute best part of your channel is your crisp language, accurate pronunciation, and easy- to-listen phrasing. Thank you for an intelligent, engaging story!!

@soulbot119

Жыл бұрын

really? I feel like I'm listening to a self-checkout bot explain how to scan items and place them in the bag

@jaymehatfield9540

Жыл бұрын

@@soulbot119 bots make a lot of mistakes, rarely use colloquial expression and their phrasing during live speech is not natural

I've spent plenty of time in the woods in my years. Believe me, a guy would never, ever give up his boots nor his handgun. I suppose it is possible that smaller animals such as coyotes, raccoons, or skunks may have dragged them away with the lower legs since only a partial skeleton was present, but the fact that the holster was found sans handgun could indicate foul play from the beginning; or it could just simply be that someone else came upon the remains at some point and decided to keep the handgun and not report the remains to authorities. Unless some new information comes to light, this one will never be solved.

@bloodyneptune

5 ай бұрын

@jaymiller6009 Maybe he went to the creek to get water, slipped, the gun wasn't secure in the holster like he thought, and it got washed away. Theres a million little things that could have happened that we could never know about. But just because we dont know, doesn't mean it has to be suspicious

There was a case of a missed female ranger which dog was found in good Health and well fed while the bones of the woman where found months or years later.

@HubertofLiege

2 жыл бұрын

That breed will always eat you to stay alive

@molliwilson5639

2 жыл бұрын

….” whose dog” not “ which dog” …

@ronaldstarkey4336

2 жыл бұрын

@@molliwilson5639 them witch dogs sometimes use them bones to cast spells... lol

@stealthwarrior5768

2 жыл бұрын

@@molliwilson5639 good grief Molly give it a rest!

There’s only really two things that make any sense here. 1) Jeff killed Todd and Steve helped him cover it up. The things that make me think this are the polygraph failure, Todd’s wife’s comments about Jeff and Steve. The main thing is the fact that Steve burst into a police interview and said “we’re leaving” the way he did, I get the old line about not talking to the police, but a smart and calm person would have called a lawyer, especially if they believed their son was innocent, this sounds more like a father knowing his son had done something and panicked. 2) Someone else came across Todd, Todd calmed his dog down or he knew the person already and something happened that lead to them killing Todd. The fact that Todd was so far off the track, the missing sidearm and boots (why take such random items unless they had evidence on them). The fact the search dogs and heat seeking equipment couldn’t pick up any sign of Todd makes me think he was already dead before the search parties even went to look for him.

@marhawkman303

2 жыл бұрын

also, who took the dog collar and dog vest? the dog was found safe and sound... but naked.... why?

@andreascala2663

2 жыл бұрын

there are other possibilities .... that Todd got sick or died in a hunting accident but both mine and your guesses don't explain why the shoes and gun were not found. the only logical hypothesis that comes to mind is that he got lost and wandering he ruined his shoes and then threw them and used the gun running out of bullets and then throwing it having become useless.

@waynepovilaitis2305

2 жыл бұрын

Where are those so called friends today?

@joshkepp756

2 жыл бұрын

Polygraph tests are totally bogus. They are not accurate

@marcellapalaferri2800

2 жыл бұрын

@@marhawkman303 That is my question. Also that when Ruby was found she was acting anxious and nervous but did not appear to have been in the wilderness for almost a month. That seems suspect to me. If someone had found her, wouldn't they possibly try to locate the owner? I am sticking with foul play, which cannot be determined since the body evidence had decayed. That is quite unfortunate. The fact his firearm and boots were and still are missing is also suspect. I guess if his "friend" has that weapon and it is discovered at some point that is the case, well I suppose that is your answer. Eventually people who lie and do terrible things, eventually will be found out.

whoever made the sketches in this video did an amazing job.

@amorton94

Жыл бұрын

They were very likely done automatically through a program, and not by hand in any way.

@jlt131

Ай бұрын

@@amorton94 odd that you'd say that. i've read other people saying nick does them himself. i'd like to think so. i think he also might have created the piano & guitar music in his videos.

@amorton94

Ай бұрын

@@jlt131 I made this comment a year ago. I don't have the faintest clue what the fuck you're talking about.

@jlt131

Ай бұрын

@@amorton94 well that was rude.

@amorton94

Ай бұрын

@@jlt131 There's nothing rude about it. Take it how you want. I stated a fact, that I have no clue what you're talking about since you replied to an old ass comment.

There is something odd 8:00. If you look at the full paragraph of that part of Jeff's statement he said, "Todd had carried the .44 Magnum revolver in a shoulder holster. The area where the straps crossed between his shoulder blades were bothering him. He took the pistol and holster off and Jeff carried them in his backpack. At the end of each day he would give the gun back to Todd." According to reports, Todd had his own backpack and it was found with him in good condition. Why would he give it to Jeff to carry in his pack? Why not his own?

@keithangstadt4950

Жыл бұрын

Bum knee, bothered by his shoulder holster...Jeff makes Todd out to be some sort of serious wimp. Did Todd want to give up the scouting expedition early which led to an argument that went bad?

@TheQueensWish

Жыл бұрын

Because Jeff is telling the story and Jeff needs to have some plausible, cooked up, reason that his fingerprints are on the gun in case it’s found. That’s why.

@helbent4

Жыл бұрын

@@TheQueensWish Works for me.

@baronvonnembles

4 ай бұрын

A 44 is a fairly heavy gun so I assume the idea was that with a bad knee Todd was trying to lighten the load.

@helbent4

4 ай бұрын

@@baronvonnembles Could be.

Thanks for the video! Recently found your channel and I've already watched half the videos. I was really impressed when you took a hike yourself to see the exact spot in the Karen Sykes case. Really nice channel, good storytelling, research, drawings and art style.

The fact the revolver wasn't found leads me to believe the possibility that Jeff killed Todd, maybe even accidentally. A commenter suggested a stranger found the gun and kept it. That's a possibility too. But I've always thought a certain amount of these disappearances are plain old murder. Jeff took a long time notifying authorities his "friend" was missing, "because he was searching for him." To me the fact the sheriff had suspicions about Jeff says a lot. Having only Jeff's side of the story leaves room for doubt, of course. Interesting story.

@marhawkman303

2 жыл бұрын

@@dfsdfdsfdsfsdf7870 Well... It occurs to me that that timetable is based on testimony of dubious accuracy. what confirmation do we have?

@prestonhanson501

2 жыл бұрын

Not likley. It's hard to mistake a man for a deer. Their was some history of bad blood between the 2. It was intentional

@leequinn2733

2 жыл бұрын

@@dfsdfdsfdsfsdf7870 24 hours is enough time to bury a body and hide/dispose of evidence. The narrator stated he couldn't find cause of death, I assume due to only partial remains being found it was undermined. Time, animals, rain aided in eliminating whatever evidence may have been there.

@marhawkman303

2 жыл бұрын

@@dfsdfdsfdsfsdf7870 hmmm yeah that's fair I guess. If true, it's not THAT weird.

@simonkeen9368

2 жыл бұрын

Dead men tell no tales

Always weird to see things like this that happen so close to home for me. Not much comes out of Idaho in the realm of true crime and missing persons, but when something does happen it always seems bizarre. I feel so awful for Todd and his family and hope that if there was any foul play, justice will be served.

Love your channel and Integrity thru research you put into each show. It's your PASSION. Lucky we have found you.

There had to be foul play, unless the revolver took wings and flew up to his dead father. Somebody wanted that gun.

@r.c.miller6161

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, or the body was robbed of the boots and gun.

@isabellaangeline2175

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.c.miller6161 I wouldn’t doubt that.

@isabellaangeline2175

2 жыл бұрын

Are you claiming someone wanted his boots as well? You can’t have it one way and not the other.

@darrenp9454

2 жыл бұрын

@@isabellaangeline2175 I'm thinking they robbed him of his boots and gun and made him walk to be mean, then he died and they feel like they murdered him instead of treating him badly. They should have just confessed to leaving him behind from the start long before the search even got started. Or better yet, went back and retrieved Todd alive and angry and then just be thought of as asshats and crappy individuals instead of murderers like they are now. One day we may know the answer.

@johncox2865

2 жыл бұрын

@@r.c.miller6161 Possible.

Hey bud! Hope all is well! Excellent video! You Never disappoint! Take care!

@MidnightVentures

2 жыл бұрын

😳

@am2023

2 жыл бұрын

Its true

@scojo6377

2 жыл бұрын

I read that in your narration voice.

Living close to a national park I find abandoned campsites all the time and there are a lot of items left behind, so maybe someone found his items but didn't see his skeleton because very few bones were left as the story stated. I have took part in several search and rescue missions and it is hard to find people in terrain like that

@AtomicExtremophile

Жыл бұрын

I thought that, that someone came upon his gun and boots. That said, why would he take his boots off and leave the far from his body? Of course it's not impossible that the boots and gun have been kissed.

@PoodleParti

Жыл бұрын

@@AtomicExtremophile kissed?

@Ellie-rx3jt

Жыл бұрын

​@@AtomicExtremophile The boots were quite likely dragged off by predators with the legs. Someone stumbling on the camp well after the boots were already gone and deciding to take the gun seems possible.

@paulhomsy2751

4 ай бұрын

Boots stay on feet even if they turned to bones. I'm inclined to think there was foul play.

The police departments in this area of Idaho are ridiculously inept. A rancher was murdered by local sheriffs a few years ago, and it all was swept under the rug. This stinks to high heaven for lack of investigative competence. Just really sad.

@grantorino7644

Жыл бұрын

@Chris Bera-Jack Yantis. Those deputies left town in the middle of the night.

Jeff took the gun and he was already dead when people were looking for him. If he was alive and had the gun he could have fired it to reveal his location. That’s also why flir did not catch it.

@ronjones-6977

2 жыл бұрын

But where did he get rid of the gun? He was so busy searching up and down the river. /s

@zacheryrichardson2282

Жыл бұрын

I think you answered your own question, it’s in the river.

Poor Todd, my heart hurts for his family. Such a bizarre case.

Some very strange things certainly happen in the remote wilderness for sure. R.I.P. Todd

When you mentioned that they separated, I knew instantly his "friend" killed him. People just don't do that if all is good. The missing gun confirms it.

@mbryson2899

2 жыл бұрын

Really? I left a close friend in the Pinnacles once. We'd been hiking off the main trail and she twisted her ankle badly (it turned out to be sprained). I left her in a shaded area, with water, food, my hiking staff, and instructions to stay put, then I set off for help. I ran into a group of hikers on the main trail and they went back with me to help carry her to the main trail then on a bit. We ran into park rangers who brought a quad and got her to the station. She had originally proposed to hobble as best she could after me but it's safer to stay in one place with shade than to hobble off to who knows what. It still took persuasion to overcome her stubbornness and pride. BTW, when I returned with the hikers she had her boots and socks off as well as her topshirt which she'd draped over her head. I'd have been heartbroken if something had happened to her. I'd have also been legally screwed as her family did not like me at all. 48 Hours would have had a field day.

@burgcarli929

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly... No boots were found, no gun. Convenient story.

@christoffesedao3579

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, and Jeff likely made up the “knee pain” story to justify the separation. Sounds completely made up.

@June-tb4vi

2 жыл бұрын

@@mbryson2899 You did the smart and normal thing...it sounds like this isn't what these two decided... Actually since Todd is not here to tell us we don't know if they decided that do we? Glad it worked out for your friend 💓

@bayg6703

Жыл бұрын

411 missing

Firstly, I can't believe a "friend" would leave someone in the wilderness, by themselves, with a sore knee, to meet up with them later. I think that's suuuper selfish at the least and possibly murderous at the worst - as Jeff was the last person to see him alive and failed the polygraph. I'm so glad Ruby was found alive and what the heck about the skinned dog?!! That's horrific! Anyway, my feeling is that Todd was most likely murdered - but we'll never know for sure unless someone comes forward with knew info.

It's so impressive that people who have watched 1 video appear to know more about the case than detectives who spent months on the case. Really impressive.

@elizabethhuie563

11 ай бұрын

Sometimes it is the lay people who spot that which the detective miss and sometimes you just know things. Then you have those detectives who are crappy at their job.

@krischimblo10

7 ай бұрын

It’s impressive how many times they’re right! Or maybe it’s just that police are just that stupid. Take your pick.

@g3rdus12

2 ай бұрын

Welcome to the internet, where everyone is an expert on everything.

Body was hidden under water, gun fell out ,, boots removed because they made his legs float. After the search was stopped , body was recovered and placed where it was found.

As a german i love to listen your voice and can understand a lot because of your good pronouncation. In Germany we have "Seher" Michael Schneider who finds missing persons and animals only by photo and some dates. He tells the coordinates on the map, or gives a description of the place and if the Person is dead or alive. Most of the last cases were suicides.

@rogerramjet6429

2 жыл бұрын

Always shows the lack of a good education, when English like yours is so much better than those from English speaking countries. Bet you thought I was poking fun at first. Your English is far superior, to the examples currently leaving American schools, *AFTER* graduation. I'm pretty suspect on a system, that lets people leave without grasping the basics. Just found out, that the use of an exclamation mark, is considered aggressive. I'm not kidding. I'm 53 BTW. Have a great day dude.

@brettk9316

2 жыл бұрын

I don't believe in that stuff. I still think that was not his dog probably some family or hiker lost their dog or abandoned it there and his dog was the skinned one by his evil friend. Wonder what those psychics think on which dog was his 😁

@markwebster5749

2 жыл бұрын

Love Deutschland 👍🇬🇧

Jeff is a lousy friend. Why would he not stay with Todd if his knee was bad? They're in the middle of the wilderness and having a significant injury can be serious if you're unable able to walk. Jeff should have stayed with Todd. It would be interesting to know whether or not Jeff valued the friendship with Todd. Why take advantage of him? While the facts about Jeff are still foggy, it's interesting how the wife painted him and his father in a negative limelight. For the polygraph, I don't put much emphasis on it, but the fact that police thought he was hiding something is suspicious to say the least. The strangest part is the missing gun. What happened to it? Did Todd use it to create a loud noise to alert search and rescue? Possibly. Or maybe he used it for wild animal kill. Though he would have to have had it on his person, even if he ran out of ammunition. It's also worth noting that Ruby was in relatively good condition when she was discovered - which makes anyone wonder how she managed to survive for a prolonged period of time. I don't know what to conclude - foul play or succumbing to the elements? In my opinion, Jeff knows more than what he claimed.

@janbadinski7126

2 жыл бұрын

I doubt the males he was with cared about him. Their taunting him says everything about their lack of character.

@ScottyRules33

2 жыл бұрын

@@janbadinski7126 Why did Jeff and his father assist in the search efforts if they took advantage of Todd?

@lookronjon

2 жыл бұрын

If I had to leave my friend who was injured I would make a plan. I would mark my trail I could lead rescuers to that spot. Someone wanted his gun. Someone took his boots from him and his gun that person might have needed boots. I know there are people who live in the wilderness. They usually live underground. I think they steal and rob and kill to survive. A lot of people go missing and I think it is people doing it.

@C_AVATAR

2 жыл бұрын

Exatly.

@debdodson5884

2 жыл бұрын

@@lookronjon If that story is legit supposedly those two dudes with that guy in 2010 probably already had boots and money to buy boots.. A bunch tried to murder a chic in her 15 year home office in TN illegally raiding houses injecting Roundup or bioweapon syringes 2016 through September 2021..had authorities, family, and accessory human criminals illegally throw her furniture out of her 15 year home office she owned in December 2018 and pick the structure up and move it and steal it in August 2020...while they had followed the chic in December 2018 to keep illegally launching attacks 2018 through September 2021 illegally breaking and entering to illegally inject Roundup? bioweapons? in her, her food, etc. Those human criminals doing that already had excessive amounts of Roundup wheat bread and insecticide pesticide corn for years causing a lack of mental function/no smell/no taste, they had money, shoes, clothes, and material dwellings to live in that illegally attacked her in Tennessee 2016 through September 2021...Those criminal humans that illegally did that to the chic in Tennessee 2016-2021 can go missing in the woods, in the city, in a Walmart, or going to a bathroom.

I like your stuff man Glad to have found your channel. I've got your whole back catalogue to go through

He was an experienced outdoors-man who suddenly experienced crippling joint pain, enough to lead to his death? Not buying that one little bit. I have early onset arthritis, it's something I have been dealing with for several years. I know what my limits are, and he would too. This is not something that disables you within hours. This is something he would have been aware of, and something he could recovered from after an hour's break. He would have been back out in the open and visible to searchers as soon as he heard a heli. His dog wouldn't have left him, either. And why no boots or gun? Sounds like he was wounded and those things were taken so he couldn't leave or defend himself. Jeff's character is also made very clear in the reports.

I'm glad that Todd's remains were finally found, maybe this will give some closure to his family.

Whatever the truth, I hope Todd is resting in peace. And this might sound like a weird thing to say, but if I was Todd in the after life, I would have at least been happy that Ruby made it home safe.

@HubertofLiege

2 жыл бұрын

Unless ruby was in on it.

@Allenluvable

2 жыл бұрын

@@HubertofLiege *gasp* Et tu, Brute?

@Nyctophora

2 жыл бұрын

I'm happy Ruby was safe as well. We look for the small silver linings. It doesn't make the bad things go away, but does help us to remember that life is not all bad.

@VioletJoy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Nyctophora I was also relieved. 🤍

@Crabfather

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. It's such a shame dogs can't speak, she would have been witness to some key events in all of this. Sad and unsettling.

If he wasn’t murdered by his “friends”, then I would say he fell into the river. That would explain why he was on the other side of the river and why some of his stuff wasn’t found.

Them splitting up is PURE BS...with one guy having knee problems? You DO NOT split up under ANY conditions. Homicide.

To be fair: even the inventor of the polygraph said it was garbage and the fact law enforcement use it to convict people is total bs

@ronaldstarkey4336

2 жыл бұрын

@Byronic Fate it messes up the tea leaves... lol

@kenosabi

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah there's a reason it's not used in trials.

@josephmeador1529

2 жыл бұрын

Polygraphs are used to elicit confessions and have no other use. For example, failing a polygraph for a government job will not disqualify you if you simply deny the results.

@henryfine5538

2 жыл бұрын

Law enforcement don't "convict" people. The polygraph is used as an investigative tool, that's it.

@DocBree13

2 жыл бұрын

They don’t use it to convict people - it’s not allowed in court

This is a great channel. It is the most in depth that I know of on KZread, as it is more investigative than a mere rereading of a news article. Thank you and please continue.

Thanks for telling his story, very sad to hear; young man with wife and two adorable young children , his smile is genuine.. hope they reopen the case and slove someday. I live in idaho and was away in TX at school when this happened so never heard about it.

Why do I have a vision of Jeff sitting in a darkened room holding and caressing the coveted pistol and quietly laughing.

@SallyMars

Жыл бұрын

Because you’re mentally unwell.

@MrChubbyHubby.

Жыл бұрын

@@SallyMars Actually the person who did this is the mentally ill one, I think if you had watched the video my scenario makes sense, so kindly keep your Libel to yourself.

Amazing Channel , Thank you for putting your time into these videos they are very interesting.

The three items that would lessen the chance of survival- 1) boots, revolver, and dog and all three are missing? An experienced outdoorsman had all of the essentials for survival including a gun and dog. Every hiker knows the most important piece of equipment is his boots. 2) Why was the dog found where he was healthy, well-fed, like he’s been at home and couldn’t lead authorities to Todd. Most dogs, especially a black lab, would easily take searchers to Todd. However, the dog would never have left Todd. Dogs are loyal sometimes to their own detriment. The dog had no idea because he was planted later. 3) If an experienced hiker like Todd was hurt, lost, or whatever, he would move off out of the brush to the open hillside where searchers could find him. At night, he would hunker down in the vegetation. However, his items were all found in his pack. Even if he was injured, the human body and fight for survival can allow one to do miraculous things like drag yourself into the open. The fact is that he wasn’t trying to survive. 4) The Sheriff’s office took the psychic’s report as valid but not the guy with the dowsing rods??? 5) The guy with the dowsing rods was damn near spot on! Have you ever seen Hell’s Canyon Wilderness along the Snake River? The odds of being that precise in that much rough country are astronomical!!! ONE person search would’ve found Todd, dead or alive. Conclusion: Todd was murdered. No hiker looses their gun, boots, and dog and their pack looked like it hadn’t been touched. The friend failed the polygraph. The dog showed up well fed and couldn’t lead them to Todd. Whoever did this got away with it. Nothing left for evidence. The dowsing rods guy needs to either be questioned as a suspect or accomplice or hired by the FBI because his accuracy is beyond unbelievable! Not only the canyon but the exact specific drainage and spot on the map (off by a hair)!!! Tale of a “friend” that turned on him. I would dare bet shot him with the gun which is probably at the bottom of the Snake as well as his boots. Kept his dog at his place, fed him, no planted the dog later just off of a road. Too much circumstantial evidence here.

@C_AVATAR

2 жыл бұрын

Well, said too bad the Sheriff's office didn't follow up on this case.

@ohwidow

Жыл бұрын

@@C_AVATAR how could the dog still be alive ten years later even, kinda old for a dog

@tl5108

Жыл бұрын

@@ohwidow dog was found a few weeks/months after his disappearance

@thankswillie

Жыл бұрын

did the dog eat him?

@p.c.howard7025

Жыл бұрын

I agree!

Excellent video - thanks!

Wow, some stand up friends, inviting him along just to cancel or change plans, and then call him to rub it in. Sounds like those guys were sadistic assholes. I wouldnt be shocked if they did harm him. Both jeff and steve would be my prime suspects. The picture of Todd and his kids is heartbreaking. He deserved so much better.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family and friends of this poor gentlemen. I truly hope that what ever happened to him that someone will be held accountable for it.

How sad for his loved ones/family. A tragic outcome, rest in peace to Todd & condolences to his family.

"I know others will turn to paranormal possibilities... those can't necessarily be counted out either." Can't they?

@DROPTINE

Жыл бұрын

LMAO 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I had the same happen to me on a hike. About a mile from where we started, my knee began to hurt, so I turned back. At about a half mile, mt knee would no longer support me and would no longer carry any weight. I stayed on the trail and fortunately two strong young men came by and carried me out. It was two weeks before I could put any weight on it with crutches. Turned out to be a torn meniscus.

18:12 I was a tracker for our local Search and Rescue guys for a while and I can tell you as fact ... Law enforcement seems to have some kind of hang up when it comes to this particular avenue of information . Our local Sheriff even refuses to use dogs on his searches . If there is even a 1% chance it could save a life ANY lead should be checked IMO .

@truther4life

Жыл бұрын

COPS R LAZY!!! THAT"S WHY!!

@danielcoulthardjr6608

Жыл бұрын

Dowsing is pure bullshittery though. I think Tom Lindsey knew something.

@thesmalllebowski6528

Жыл бұрын

I don't believe in dowsing or psychic investigations.... but when the search was exhausted and they had absolutely nothing to go on, those leads would've been better than a shot in the dark IMO. What did they have to lose by following up?

@TheLightpaws

Жыл бұрын

@@thesmalllebowski6528 Dowsing / psychics ARE a shot in the dark, not leads. If one is coincidentally right, they can use the generated fame to scam vulnerable people. Ugly business, exploiting the most vulnerable people of society.

@liberty8424

Жыл бұрын

You need a new Sheriff. There's a reason he doesn't want dogs around.

You have to really trust someone to go up into a place where anything can happen. The way his friend thought of dogs is an indication for me.

I love how u do ur videos. You went through everything even the psychic stuff great job. I'm very sorry for his family and having to wait 10 yrs to have him found. The guys were cruel to him. I understand the feeling as my mom and oldest sister were that way to me my entire life. Praying one day they will see the errors of their ways and the truth will finally be told. It doesn't stop the pain though.

It’s so sad to see that happen to a wonderful man a father and husband. the authorities should look more into this case and find out what really happened he deserves it. 😢

@Maidenintime86

Жыл бұрын

Wonderful man? apparently he was mean towards dogs and I don't think that someone who beats animals can be called "wonderful" if you think there's no problem in beating dogs then you probably think it's ok to beat kids too, can't feel not even a bit sorry for what happend to him.

@rockstarofredondo

Жыл бұрын

@@Maidenintime86 ummm, you might want to try listening to the story again.

@nedlionx4989

Жыл бұрын

@@Maidenintime86it’s Jeff that’s the one who’s mean to dogs, not Todd. Did you even pay attention to the video?

@paulpaluciano6162

Жыл бұрын

@@Maidenintime86 Yo, Rodrigues, you have two replies to your dumb-as-shiat comment. Care to answer? Have you given this video another watch finally? Long overdue.

Todd's "friend" and that friend's father behaved very suspiciously. If a friend of mine were to go missing out in the wilderness, I would contract S&R immediately instead of wasting valuable time searching from noon to nightfall and then again in the morning. The sensible thing to do would be for one person on the first day to search while sending the other to notify authorities. It is standard practice for hunters that if they are in need of help or rescue to fire off 3 shots into the air. A 44 Magnum makes a very loud boom and that sound would had echoed throughout the area. Yet, no one heard a thing. Even if Todd ran out of ammo, he could had built a signal fire. Such a fire would had been easily seen on any infrared/thermal imaging scope.

@phyllysanantonio

2 жыл бұрын

His friend killed him for some reason.

@meyerstyle

Жыл бұрын

Also, why would anyone not continue searching after dark?

@mottthehoople693

Жыл бұрын

@@meyerstyle naaa unless you really know the area and have a really good torch with multiple batteries you risk getting totally lost yourself

@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv

Жыл бұрын

@@meyerstyle That’s standard practice, not unusual at all.

@PercivalThe23

Жыл бұрын

@@meyerstyle cause your view is then pretty limited

The route he was taking was only two miles long. He was only 240 feet off the trail. Very odd search teams did not find him only 240 feet off the trail. Also as a volunteer for SAR for that very state, we are trained to find the nearest water from trails missing hikers went on and follow both sides of it. In other words, how the searches didn't search both sides of the creek that the trail runs next to is very odd.

@ZeranZeran

Жыл бұрын

LAZY SEARCH PARTY

@chrisbera7952

Жыл бұрын

Idaho, that's why. Almost last on the list of states in education. Just not very smart here.

@marthakrumboltz2710

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisbera7952 Chris, level of intelligence has little to do with much here. Law enforcement recognized that Todd was an ex con, convicted of strong armed robbery. Not much interest in finding anyone who killed tattooed ex con

@ZeranZeran

Жыл бұрын

@@marthakrumboltz2710 so you admit the cops were biased and didn't do their job effectively.

@ZeranZeran

Жыл бұрын

@Christy G what if he was Obama?

Tom Lindsey was my best friends father. He was a crazy character. He once held my mom and sister at gunpoint due to an easement disagreement. We had all moved out of state by 2010. Could Tom have done it? Probably, the crazy old coot.

Love the drawings, they have an uncanny realistic and moody vibe that amplifies the mystery and drama of the situations.

This was really good 👍🏼 Thought provoking and interesting. Presented well. Thank you 🏆

Hard to say what’s more bogus - the psychic, the dousing rod, or the police polygraph test.

@scockery

2 жыл бұрын

Well, we know the psychic was wrong...or were they? Maybe his friend killed Todd, buried him one place then later moved him to the douser's location? Thus they make the cops look foolish, making the police polygraph suspect, too.

@krisdrinkwine6045

2 жыл бұрын

I found the dousing rod interesting. He was close. I have doused using coat hangers in my yard to find a power line. It works believe it or not. Found sewer lines also. But what he used it for, would have to see it to believe it.

@travisn346

2 жыл бұрын

Only thing missing was a reiki master and some tarot cards.

@joanneginever1890

2 жыл бұрын

@@travisn346 😂 That's gold!!

@ananthropomorphictalkinggo6641

2 жыл бұрын

They're all equally scientific lol

Polygraphs are nonsense

This case speaks for itself, you have 2 suspects already, failed a polygraph test, end of.