The ship is an analogy of the Jem'hadr themselves high capabilities and quick to build but ultimately disposable

@midniteoyl8913

Күн бұрын

A lot like the Japanese Zero

@admiralkirk6103

Күн бұрын

@@midniteoyl8913 Nothing at all like the Zero.

@grugmangaming5152

Күн бұрын

@@midniteoyl8913 I wouldn't say the Zero was disposable despite its construction and flaws with its guns. Infact, it was well made for its time.

I like how Ben Sisko was like, "Yeah, a small vehicle with the firepower of a Galaxy class!", then years later found an empire who were like, "Yeah, that's the backbone of our fleet. We see you have a handful. How quaint."

@RurouniKalainGaming

Күн бұрын

For a bit of translation here I believe you mean when Sisko was helping design the Defiant class initially and then years later discovered the Dominion had a whole bunch of small powerful ships but you cannot compare one of those to a Defiant.

@thomastakesatollforthedark2231

Күн бұрын

​@@RurouniKalainGaming why?

@TheAsvarduilProject

Күн бұрын

@RurouniKalainGaming Yeah you can. Defiant class escorts are highly armed with a small profile. They're designed to operate in hunting packs to defeat larger foes, specifically Borg cubes, though their maneuverability and armament make them excellent heavy fighters, relative to other Federation classes. They're an amazing comparison to each other, only Defiant class escorts have Federation shields and ablative armor, because the Federation values the lives of its officers.

@michaelcunniff6108

Күн бұрын

​@TheAsvarduilProject there is also a big difference between jemhadar and starlet manning those respected ships....jemhadar were glorified kamikaze fighters Starlet crews were best summed up by Obrien. .....I am miles Obrien and I am very much alive and plan to stay that way......the mentalities were dramatically different

@TheAsvarduilProject

22 сағат бұрын

@michaelcunniff6108 The difference you've cited between the philosophy on personnel does exist and factors into the exact shipbuilding techniques and technologies. That much is true. However, nothing you've said has actually negated the fact that Defiant escorts and Jem'Hadar Fighters serve the same purpose: hunt down a dangerous foe in packs and overwhelm them with superior firepower. Even if the philosophy is different, the ships share a comparable role and tactics. That is literally all I have ever said. You're bringing philosophy into a discussion about the role different types of starship achieve for their fleets for emotional reasons. It seems important to you that "no, they're different!" However, that's not what the facts of these two ship classes indicate. They are very comparable.

As of this moment, we are all dead. We go into battle to reclaim our lives. This we do gladly, for we are Jem'Hadar. Remember: VICTORY IS LIFE!!

@MagnanimousEntropy

2 күн бұрын

Victory is life!

@saalkz.a.9715

2 күн бұрын

Weyoun: "Such delightful people." O'Brien: "I am Chief Miles Edward O'Brien. I am very much alive, and I intend to stay that way." Sisko: "Amen! Let's get it done!"

@Fayanora

2 күн бұрын

A statement that would have much more of an impact if Jem'Hadar had actual lives outside of battle. But they don't eat, don't drink, don't fuck, and they don't do anything for fun. That's not living. That's merely existing.

@edc8909

2 күн бұрын

I am Miles Edward O'brien 😅

@SwaySkits

Күн бұрын

VICTORY IS LIFE!!

The Dominion's lore was very flexible during the run of DS9. A lot changed as time went on. Then settling down to what it finally became.

@BlazingOwnager

2 күн бұрын

My favorite is making the Vorta clones purely because they realized vaporizing Weyoun was a huge mistake

@swiftchangeable

2 күн бұрын

@@BlazingOwnager A win-win because it meant that they could kill Weyoun in increasingly hilarious ways as the show continued.

@RedWingnut00

2 күн бұрын

​@@swiftchangeable "Maybe you should talk to Worf again.😂"

@TheGuardianofAzarath

2 күн бұрын

@@swiftchangeable Weyoun: "The Founder will not like this at all." Demar: "I'm sure she'll understand, and if she doesn't, I look forward to meeting Weyoun 9." Honestly that's the one thing that threw me about the Hur'q arc of STO. Weyoun's last clone died on Bajor, so what justification did they give for bringing him back in STO?

@BlazingOwnager

2 күн бұрын

@@RedWingnut00 "Weyoun 7 was a great man!"

One of the best and most iconic Star Trek starship designs

When i did the jemhadar tutorial and i used this ship i couldnt find it more funny and balanced. Its amazing how maneuverable is and how offensive and defensive it is at the same time.

I sometimes wonder how the war would have gone if Gul Dukat was given total control over the dominion fleet He didn't even blink when the federation adapted their shields to block polaron beams.

@LMG1792

2 күн бұрын

He realized the federation would always adapt so I see him being one that would go for a quick devastating blow. Likely avoiding a long drawn out battle. He understood the complexity of each power involved where as the dominion was simply we will win sooner or later to hell with any other major strategy lol.

@robloggia

2 күн бұрын

@@LMG1792 Maybe that's why he's always been so hung up on Bajor. I'm guessing he was made Prefect to clear out the remaining Bajoran resistance, but didn't understand the difference between fighting a state military and a decentralized civilian resistance who are afraid to use terrorist tactics.

@casbot71

Күн бұрын

​@LMG1792 He had previous experience facing the Federation and knew that particularly Humans had the strength of adaptation and innovation, and were annoyingly good at "out of the box" solutions that took you by suprise. That even took the Borg by suprise. And that they took a while to switch to a war footing from their standard friendly non threatening stance. If the Dominion had instead just launched a massive suprise attack with thousands of ships flooding out of the wormhole and heading straight for Earth in a knock out blow, the Dominion would have won. But instead they awoke a sleeping Dragon. The Dominion could win a straight war of attrition _if it had stayed a straight war of attrition._ But they didn't expect left field solutions from the Federation. Dukat knew better.

@crownprincesebastianjohano7069

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@@casbot71 One notes the success of the Dominion in the War is correlated with strong Cardassian leadership. Dukat had that thing one, an act of Gods stopped him. Damar was running the day-to-day, and was slowly advancing until the Romulans entered the War and even then he mostly stalemated the alliance. Once Founder begins running things, other than the brief Breen period of technological superiority, the Dominion is quickly on its back because she completely misreads the Coalition's resolve. I think it boils down to both the Cardassians simply understanding their Alpha/Beta Quadrant brethren better, and the talent of Dukat, who was, let's face, quite brilliant and Damar who was quietly extremely competent from his first appearance. In fact, Dukat wins the War if he just listens to Damar on several counts.

Back when Star Trek had great designs instead if just being busy for the sake of being busy.

The silliest bit about this ship is in “Treachery, Faith and the Great River”, when Weyoun shows Odo how to destroy an attack ship with only a few phaser shots in a runabout of all things. It was never mentioned again, and clearly wasn’t already known from Sisko’s captured ship!

@charlestaylor253

2 күн бұрын

Weyoun had a big mouth...

@thegreenmanofnorwich

2 күн бұрын

Yeah, it was an obvious plot contrivance that sort of annoyed me too

@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God

Күн бұрын

That was dumb, good episode though

@mb2000

Күн бұрын

@@Zyklon_B_still_and_know_God Absoluetly, I love the title too… “Treachery” for Weyoun leaving the Dominion, Nog going behind O’Brien’s back and Damar and other Weyoun trying to kill Odo. “Faith” for Nog and the great material continuum, and Weyoun to Odo. “Great River” for the material continuum being like a river and ‘great river’ in Spanish being ‘Rio Grande’, the name of Odo’s runabout.

@Plaprad

Күн бұрын

Not that big of a stretch. They only had one ship for a short time. It takes years to actually take a ship apart and reverse engineer everything. One of the many reasons former German and Japanese ships were used for nuclear testing. Too costly and time consuming for an enemy that no longer exists. And the "weak point" has several possibilities. I always assumed it was a good weak point for a runabout, but larger ships found even better vulnerabilities. Or, the Dominion found the debris, knew Weyoun was involved, put two and two together and fixed the vulnerability. Or, just because it popped in my head, it could have been an older ship they engaged and the vulnerability was already fixed on newer build ships.

They're quite very impressive little ships. Especially for one considered to be disposable.

" A Glass Cannon " Yes, But a Glass can cut you to pieces

@EGRJ

2 күн бұрын

Yes, but as a Last Resort.

What is surprising is that the Dominion never incorporated Cloaking technology into the Fighter. They weren't against cloaking as a concept since _the Jem'Hidar soldiers themselves could cloak._ And they had gotten hold of cloaked ships, so they could reverse engineer the tech (and they gave back the Defiant early on!!). Cloaked Jem'Hidar ships would have been a force multiplier for the Dominion. Yes Starfleet had some counters to Cloaks, but they still reduced detection range to close range and made targeting difficult. A terrifying tactic would have been for cloaked Jem'Hidar fighters to ram larger ships and stations in suprise kamikaze attacks. The lack of shields while cloaked was irrelevant if the damage was kinetic backed up by a warp core and its antimatter exploding. And especially if the target didn't have its own shields up. Or just beam boarding parties from a bunch of cloaked ships straight onto the bridge of an enemy vessel that is not at alert.

The purple symbol on the lower left of the tech readout looks like an alien Punisher emblem.

It's a shame we never saw the Dominion get into a fight with the Borg or Species 8472, would have been very interesting. I've always referred to these ships as "scarabs" in my head, i've always liked the Dominion designs.

@3Rayfire

Күн бұрын

Me too. Scarabs or Bug Ships when you don't feel like being eloquent about it. That was even more ingrained in my head after the Mummy showed up with the blue gold flesh eating scarabs.

@keithwiggins3131

Күн бұрын

The Borg would have won same thing with 8472.

@skullhelmet1944

Күн бұрын

@TheGuardianofAzarath Imagine fighting against assimilated Jem'Hadar troops , now that would be rough

So red and white are federation, one shade green for romulans, another shade green borg, reddish orange Klingon, and purple dominion

@yodaslovetoy

2 күн бұрын

Cos the dominion are "bad mutherfuckers"...

@3Rayfire

Күн бұрын

Greenish Yellow Cardassian.

@robotmonkeys

Күн бұрын

I think of Borg as black, but the do have green lights for television reasons.

I know you mentioned their transporters but I think? You forgot to mention that they where able to transport over long distances, like several light years. Major Kira Nerys being transported from Deep space nine to empok nor.

@Colin_

Күн бұрын

I was going to point that out as well till i saw your comment about it.

A ship combining quantity and quality crewed by genetically engineered warriors bred in hatcheries that were fanatical and disposable. Perfect combination for an empire like the Dominion.

And STO's rex looks even more like a scarab. Put the 8472 shield on in, and you get a little picture of a kitty on the hull. Making the "Egyptian" theme even more prominent.

@christopherwall2121

Күн бұрын

I call it "Sekhmet"

@shaytepes7351

Күн бұрын

I call mine Paket.

Such an awesome looking ship, one of my fav trek ships. Really reminds me of the original Cylon raider from the 1970s battlestar galactica

The Jem'Hadar fighter is one of my favorites! Tough lil sucker, and I love how initially their weapons just slice through Starfleet shields like they're not even there. Was surprised when I first learned how slow they are, given the Dominion's advanced technology in so many other fields, I would have expected them to be at LEAST on par with, if not faster than UFP vessels, maybe even having transwarp like capabilities. But I also understand the writers gotta balance them out somehow, but in my own imagination they're OP AF hahaha

Hey Rick, you may want to Ammend that by first rewatching the episode where Quark and a Karemma trader were aboard the Defiant in the Gamma Quadrant and trying to evade Dominion Patrols in the Atmosphere of a gas giant. A Dominion Torpedo got lodged into the hull of the Defiant without detonating and it was a Karemma designed Chroniton Torpedo. Seeing that the patrol ships the Defiant was trying to evade in the Gas Giant were Dominion "Fighters" it speaks to reason to assume all Dominion Torpedoes are Chroniton Torpedoes.

@charlestaylor253

2 күн бұрын

That explains why it didn't detonate on contact with the Defiant's hull. Chroniton torpedoes take their time...😉

@mb2000

2 күн бұрын

@@charlestaylor253 You think they work on a temporal variance of 1.47 microseconds!?

During the Dominion war every Alpha power learnt the lesson of the Attack Ship, and developed their own - except the Klingons, who already had the excellent if old Bird of Prey. And then by the time of the Picard Series Starfleet had apparently completely forgotten that lesson and gone back to large capital ships, even for their front line combat ships - the Inquiry Class. But then Starfleet also thought it was a good idea to network their entire fleet with reverse engineered Borg tech ... twice.

🖖😎👍Very cool and very greatly nicely well done and informatively explained and executed in every detail way shape and format provided by you on the Jem'Hadar Fighters, And of their major weapons and fire power and on their armor plating and shielding power and warp capabilities during battle and so forth, And on all the various other duties and missions required of them as well; A job very fabulously well done by you indeed Sir!👌.

For me they always looked like giant ticks. In fact, the Iratus Bug from Stargate Atlantis seems somewhat similar to me.

@charlestaylor253

2 күн бұрын

They always reminded me of bedbugs, that's why I personally refer to them as Dominion "Chirex" class warships...🤓

The scale of these ships is an interesting topic because of the crashed upside down fighter we actually SEE onscreen in DS9.

Victory is life

I still maintain calling it a fighter was a bad idea as it didn't fit with the naval theming of the rest of the ships in star trek.

@Cailus3542

2 күн бұрын

"Attack ship" is boring, but probably the most accurate. You could call them frigates or destroyers, or I suppose, but neither term is really accurate.

@charlestaylor253

2 күн бұрын

Agreed. Using naval terminology, they should've been referred to as Jem'Hadar corvettes... 😉

@Lukos0036

2 күн бұрын

@@Cailus3542 Corvette, cutter, or light frigate would apply.

@Dreamfox-df6bg

2 күн бұрын

To me it looks like more like the Torpedo Boats of the past, which could damage and with luck sink even battleships and were deemed so dangerous that an entire new class of ships was developed. The 'Torpedo Boat Destroyer', which was so effective that Torpedo Boats were no longer viable against big ships. The Torpedo Boat Destroyer has been updated and renamed into the Destroyers we have today. Torpedo Boat Destroyers were fast enough to intercept Torpedo Boats on an attack run and armed well enough to easily rip the smaller and faster ships to shreds. At least that's what I know about the concepts as not even an amateur historian, so I could be wrong. Still, it would have been interesting to see that on screen.

@3Rayfire

Күн бұрын

Well I mean, even though these aren't carried by an Aircraft Carrier, the Navy does use fighters.

I remember the first time I watched deep space nine and seeing the Dominion for the first time and all that and I was very hooked on it and amazed en

The Dominion definitely were a most ruthless & cunning enemy, they really had it all

@mikewilliams9069

Күн бұрын

They were soft needing the help of the cardassian and sissy breen

@itsnoha5322

8 сағат бұрын

They were like the Anti-Federation

I feel like post Dominion War these would have been everywhere. The market would be flooded with surplus, captured or discarded Attack Ships. It would be like the Steam Summer Sale for rogue states, pirates and the like.

I would love to see the dominion go up against the borg

Their weapons and transporters ignore Federation shields... except the Defiant's first combat engagement. Writers seemed to forget.

@3Rayfire

Күн бұрын

The Defiant came after that fact was established, if memory serves the Defiant survived due to her Ablative Armor, not shields.

@DrownedInExile

Күн бұрын

@@3Rayfire I distinctly remember the Romulan screaming that main power was offline, and the shields had collapsed. Right on cue, Jem'Hadar started beaming on board.

oooooh the old purple beetles . should be a good ep ^_^

That was cool but I hope you’re gonna do the Dominion cruiser soon. I don’t you’ve done that yet. That thing’s magnificent.

Fighting dirty...the image of 1 such bug ship doing a kamikaze run that sliced a Vorcha in half popped up. Fighting dirty was putting it lightly.

Thanks

Straight away, desert bug inspiration.

I always wished that they wouldn't have cut out Shields from the show as much I get what I had to do to constraints and a whole bunch of high pressure battle scenarios because if they all had proper shooting like we normally see then a bunch of those fights would have taken a heck of a lot longer, but it would have been nice cuz that way we could have actually seen the Jem'Hadar have shields in action. As is, it looks like they really ever had any in the show.

I love your voice. Never stop making videos. You do other properties right.

Rick's voice, accent & speaking cadence is very enjoyable to listen to..

@CantankerousDave

6 сағат бұрын

Really? The irregular cadence is like being in a room with a ticking clock that's sometimes a little fast, sometimes a little slow. It's maddening.

@kokushi629

6 сағат бұрын

@@CantankerousDave then why do you watch?

Fun little ship

@chadbizeau5997

2 күн бұрын

Little!?

Transporter systems were also more advanced than UFP in that they had huge range and could transport across light years.

Thanks to that and the Defiant, we get the Rex Pilot Escort on STO. 😁

One small query; Why did this ship have windows? As seen at 0:55... I mean, I'm guessing that all those white dots and oblong shapes are windows, like on other starships. But, if the Founders don't have such luxuries on their ships (like chairs) or even have a view screen (just little eyepiece for the primary) on the bridge, then why put windows on the ship?

Morphed from a decent ship to canon fodder as the series progressed. A dominion tie fighter of sorts

I think the Romulan Warbird is more of a Glass Cannon. The Jem'Hadar were just anti-shield with weapons and teleporters that could go though them which the federation relied upon way too much.

Have you done a video on how so many alien cultures in the different quadrants of space mostly use warp travel technology? How is it that the Dominion of the Gamma Quadrant also has ships that travel via subspace using warp nacelles?

No chairs, no view screens, no sandwiches. That's all you need to know about about the Jem'Hadar ships.

@charlestaylor253

2 күн бұрын

Not even any heads, apparently. For a human, (and especially Bolian), crew...🤢🤮

@heartlessangel2910

16 сағат бұрын

@@charlestaylor253 I don’t think humans in general need toilets… well, until it was retconned in First Contact.

Wow, with the insectoid inspiration, I'm half surprised the thing didn't have gigantic, fully functional robotic insect legs. Imagine one of these things with such equipment literally walking around a planet surface or on an asteroid? That would have been terrifying!

The disposable nature always annoyed me. It mean it kind of makes sense when you have nearly an etire quadrant under control. But once that mine field went up the destruction of each ship would be a serious blow to logistics. Particularly with how small the Cardassian space was. It is just a waste of resources at a point when wasting resources would just lead to a slow bleed and ultimate loss.

@Cailus3542

2 күн бұрын

That was one of the reasons why the Dominion lost the advantage that they had early in the war. The Federation, Klingons and Romulans all quickly developed tactics to counter the Jem'hadar fleet, including aggressive use of their own (smaller) fighters, and smaller ships, like the Mirandas, Defiants and bird-of-preys as screens for the larger ships. The Jem'hadar struggled to adapt their own tactics throughout the war, as they were much less creative than their enemies.

@charlestaylor253

2 күн бұрын

​@@Cailus3542 The Dominion more than made up for it's lack of creativity with the sheer aggressiveness and genetically-engineered fanaticism of it's Jem'Hadar warriors...😐

I often thought these fighters were the same size as the Defiant

"Toops" is on the graphic, rather than "troops" Good video

Ah, Yes. the Bug Ship. a favorite of mine in Star Trek Online... I name them all after beetles.

I've always thought of the ship more of a frigate than a fighter due to its size.

Right off the bat, a light in darkness.

Makes sense that they would go for glass cannons given that they can quickly clone more soldiers.

🙂👍 The little beetle ship that could.

Honestly, the bug ship was really kind of cool.

And thats what the Borg need to assimilate. Get them some Jem'Hadar and Vorta in their mix and expand their tactics and tech. Then we could see little Borg Pyramid shaped fighters maybe? But if they had the Jem'Hadar tech to make Super Solders, Boimler will not have time to save those borg babies.

If the ship had no windows, what are those white dots and dashes on the main hull? Looks like 3 decks of windowed rooms.

@smallspacearcade8158

2 күн бұрын

Very good question!

@iamSpazticus

Күн бұрын

It was the main bridge/control center that had no windows. He didn't say that there were "no windows on the ship."

@WatchingYoutube737

Күн бұрын

@@iamSpazticus there’s a lot tactical windows for 50 soldiers that don’t off duty.

What's the music used on this?

The tactics were : you can't hit me if I'm not there, and can't shoot us if we have already boarded you, or destroyed you...

Calling the Attack Ships "fighters" is the same as calling the Defiant a "fighter". The pack tactics they use are the same as the plan to use Defiant wings against the Borg.

I always thought they looked like bed bugs. To the point I thought the bed bug similarity was intentional.

Think about how minimal you need as far as comforts for the crew when its Jew Hadar in most of them. When all you need to do is have it be able to move fast and have weapons and basic shields. IT has to be super cost effective to make things like this. And the ship itself is a weapon cause the crew has zero self preservation by design.

if these are glass cannon, then what are peregrine fighters?

Two typos and a misspelling in the infographic -- things are back to normal. I guess this guy was on vacation for the past few videos, and someone with access to a spell-checker subbed in. "SHEILDING," "TOOPS," and "DISSIPATER".

Are those lights not windows?

here's my question.. In Star Trek Online whats the difference between the OG attack ship and the modern bugs?

Oh wow the flickering of the model's surface... I assume this is taken from a game and not a model made for this video? I had the same issue when making my first blender models for a game was writing just for fun (and never finished). But I was an amateur and quickly noticed what was wrong with the mapping. That commercial games are shipped with bugs like these is a a bit embarrassing. :')

They call it a fighter. I'd have called it a corvette.

It looks closer to a bed bug than scarab

So basically, Twin Ion Engine Starfighters?

Hull windows (if that's what they are) revealing more arching hilly floor decks. There is no up in space nor in some Star Trek ships.

I thought they used plasma torpedoes. I think that's what the guy said in the episode where a torpedo gets stuck inside the Defiant and Quark and the guy who sold the torpedo to the Dominion have to defuse it. Spoiler Alert: turns out it's a dud and the guy says he should offer them a refund.

when fighting a jem hadr take out engines immediately lol

That ship came from an era when Star Trek was good, respected it's fans. I miss the good old days.

Pretty much the pleb fodder spaceship of the Dominon.

Bug ship.

@charlestaylor253

2 күн бұрын

Bedbug class...😉

A glass cannon.

Diplomatic duty 😆 🤣 Now thats funny

3 polaron cannons 1 in the Front and 1 in the back, where is the 3rd ?

@charlestaylor253

2 күн бұрын

Actually, two forward, one aft...

These ships literally look like TICKS. Am I wrong? Nah....

I think you mean 245,000 metric tons, not 2,450 lol.

It was an overpowered ship when STO PvP was good, it could of used some balancing... but then they completely just gave up on PvP and broke all game balance conventions. They made hundreds of promises to fix PvP balance, as far as I know... they never did.

They remind me of Stinkbugs

Comment.

ANOTHER SHEKEL SHAPE.😂

@GODCONVOYPRIME

Күн бұрын

wut?

Algorithm comment

FIRST

And they just coincidentally seem Arabic with that name... and the rest.