Pastor Everhard, Thank you for your gracious follow-up video. It's very helpful to let everyone know we're on good terms. Here's what I'll say regarding RPTS: 1. Yes I am planning to go to seminary, but because I need to provide for my soon-to-be wife, I'm not sure if it can be soon. Multiple elders and pastors that mentor me say I should get a secular job for a bit first. 2. I would still love to visit RPTS. I love the RPCNA, because they are historic and never split from anyone, while also being extremely faithful to Scripture and the Reformed tradition. My fiancée and I recently visited an RPCNA in rural Kansas and loved it. I have a video coming out soon about how much I like the RPCNA and their Covenanter principles. 3. As for WHICH seminary, I am planning to attend a moderate mainline seminary like Dubuque or Perkins, at which I could get good education from some professors while still being able to have an influence in the mainline. However, if I were to attend a conservative seminary, it would definitely be RPTS since, unlike WTS and RTS, it's historic.

@isaacseabra5669

Ай бұрын

Awesome to here. I think you should definitely look into the rpcna. Especially on their purity of worship. Few Presbyterian denominations have maintained purity of worship. Anyways, God bless.

@martinrivera3060

Ай бұрын

You're awesome, enjoy your life, take care of your wife and attend your calling!

@dantownsend761

Ай бұрын

As an RPCNA member, I'd love to have you decide on RPTS and maybe meet you in person!

@thomashcase

Ай бұрын

Growing up near Dubuque and seeing at least one grad (this was in UCC) from Dubuque, I would say it is a very liberal seminary (not even moderate). This as at least the case in the 1980's/1990's and I would assume it would be even more so now. On the West Coast, most moderate to conservative PCUSA (a lot now former PCUSA) did draw from Fuller. Even Fuller, which I would consider moderate is drifting liberal. I would say Dubuque is closer to SF and far to the left than even Princeton. In my former church (was PCUSA, now EPC), they have had many candidates and a lot are now using John Knox Theological Seminary (Distance Course). I would agree that it would be best to associate with a Church that has staff positions where you can work in ministry while also being under care. I think that is a better model than trying to do fully on your own. I also think working in ministry will also attending seminary can keep you more connected to the daily challenges. Even the few pastors that have went through their Doctorate work after being ordained and being associate pastors still kept daily ministry work while working on the masters. Heck, even in normal world, most MBA's or teachers getting Masters have day jobs while working towards advance degree. Again, I would be really hesitant with Dubuque. To me, it is SFTS of the midwest. Only United Seminary in MSP (UCC affiliate) may be more liberal. Again, a key to any seminary is also being under care of a Presbytery and local church. This is one area where I believe the Presbyterian (all the branches that I am knowledgeable of) Church does a good job (even the PCUSA).

@mattosamanandesu

Ай бұрын

I'm similar to age as you Mr. RZ and I intend to go to RPTS sometime in the future as well!

You both have handled yourselves impeccably in this case. I was super impressed with his reply and you also were gracious in your critique

One of the best pastors I ever had went to Princeton seminary. Very conservative theologically, wonderful preacher and wonderful pastor.

@Dilley_G45

Ай бұрын

How long ago was that?

@bryanwalters9574

Ай бұрын

@@Dilley_G45He just left my church a few months ago to go work for a different ministry.

Thank you for adressing this and your video! God bless!

Thank you for addressing the Matthew 18 thing. Public disagreement on issues, where there is no sin, is fine to be dealt with publicly! This is not complicated.

Hi Matt How about a video on what to look for in a seminary? Some of the signs God might be calling you in that direction? And I'm sure I'm not the only one who is excited to hear more on what you love about RPTS! Love you too, brother!

RZ recently stated in a Q&A that he will not be attending a conservative seminary and will instead hope to go to a mainline one because it yields better prospects to being ordained in the PCUSA. In my opinion, that is a poor investment of time, work, and money. Seminary is about being prepared for ministry and going to a liberal seminary will teach you theological problems (we should know the issues of our day but) not that which you can affirm. I'll read heretics and unbeliever's writings so I can better interact with them in defending the faith, but to not rest on a solid foundation is dangerous. I will be attending RTS starting this Summer and while I will still critically engage with my professors, so that I actually learn and grow, I know them to be far more reliable. RZ, if you're reading this, I urge you to reconsider. At the very least, visit Everhard and his seminary. You would be able to make a good video out of it.

@A_T_O_M_I_C_Rooster

Ай бұрын

The Bible is conservative. I doubt RZ understands this.

@_ZachB_

Ай бұрын

As far as I understand RZ takes exception to the ordination of women to the office of Elder and Deacon. This stance is not permitted in the PCUSA. You cannot even hold this position as a matter of conscience and still be ordained in the PCUSA. To be ordained in the PCUSA Zoomer would need to change his conviction (which I do not recommend) or he would need to intentionally conceal it (which I also do not recommend). Even if he goes to Princeton , how can he ever hope to be ordained in the PCUSA?

@BoondockBrony

Ай бұрын

I don't think Redeemed Zoomer realizes if the mainline seminaries are as bad as they are now. They will only be worse once he gets ready to join. This is if they *don't* excommunicate him and his family during the vote that's happening soon. He will either be forced to cross the Tiber or be forced into a conservative sect. I honestly think the former is more likely despite his claims to the contrary.

@BoondockBrony

Ай бұрын

@@A_T_O_M_I_C_Rooster I'm with you there. I also doubt Zoomer, for all his love of Rome understands just how different the Romanists and the protestants are fundamentally.

@adamandsethdylantoo

Ай бұрын

I’ll admit I have a bad habit of ragging on RZ when in the grand scheme of things I don’t know him personally and probably never will, but I agree that his biggest strength/weakness is his stubbornness despite the entire world being against him. He thinks that if he crowdrushes enough conservative 20 year olds at Harvard Divinity School or Princeston that he’ll magically be able to return them to theological orthodoxy, but he has a propensity to be so high-minded that he doesn’t realize that on one hand the ballgame in those seminaries is soo deep in theological postmodernism that the curriculum doesn’t even resemble something usable in most churches, and that ultimately he’s not only fighting the mainline institutions but *other, more conservative denominations*. He thinks he can tell the PCA and OCA “you’re cowards who gave up the fight and anyone who leaves the PCUSA to join your church should be shamed for doing so” and then expect them to be behind him and his mission. Lastly, he doesn’t seem to realize that very quickly, the “cowards” will be the ones at the helm of the church within 2 decades. The prestige of the old seminaries and denominations won’t mean much when they’re extinct, and considering places like Westminster Theological Seminary and other conservative schools are already starting to liberalize, it makes more sense to save institutions that DO have a chance of surviving another 100 years than to save a ship that’s nearly sunk. But people have been telling him these exact same things for years at this point and he just digs his heels in. The only thing I can say at this point is he’ll have to see it first hand and either prove us wrong or accept rebuke.

RPTS was founded in 1810, so it may have the institutional history that would appeal to Zoomer.

I respect Zoomer's desire to "fix" his denomination, but at what point does the whole "do not even eat with' thing apply? (1 Cor 5.11-13)

@paulsampson6286

Ай бұрын

That seems like a pretty complicated problem in Zoomer's case. I wonder if there is a solution or if that points to a flaw in his methods

@g.williams2047

Ай бұрын

He’s far too obsessed with trying to reclaim old buildings that serve no purpose.

I think both of you were kind and gracious.

I am a Ruling Elder Emeritus in the PCA and a Board member of Greenville Presbyterian Theological Seminary in South Carolina. Thank you (and praise God!) for your witness and ministry, Matthew. I've never visited RPTS but have great respect for it. At GPTS, I believe that you will find the same commitment to training pastors, the same close, personal, pastoral attention, and the same spiritual unity among administration, faculty, and students. Besides, it's in the Deep South, and what could be better than that?

@jkproluigi7473

Ай бұрын

Do you know Pastor Dinkins from Chapin Presbyterian in SC?

@frankaderholdt5667

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately not. I'm from Mississippi and only get to SC a couple of times a year.

It would be great to make a video if RZ visits RPTS Seminary

Pastor Everhard, I'm very uplifted by the way both RZ and yourself handled your interaction. I hope you give more thought to RZ's take on church architecture and beauty, as contemporary Christians have utterly dropped any and all understanding of the necessity of Beauty from the pursuit of Truth, Goodness and Beauty. It's grieved me my whole life and I tend to think it's an error of certain thinking-style intellectual personality types. Beauty is treated as an unimportant frill. I pray you please incorporate the likes of Roger Scruton and others thinking on the subject. God Bless.

In all seriousness this felt like an ad for RPTS with a little bit of a RZ commentary put in. Does RPTS do online learning? I'm in Australia and will never, I mean NEVER, go to the US but would be interested in the possibility of learning through an institution that is how you described RPTS to be.

@jermoosekek1101

Ай бұрын

Does Australia have now Presbyterian seminaries?

@michaelau5159

Ай бұрын

@@jermoosekek1101 we don't call them "seminaries" here but yes there are Presbyterian "seminaries" in Australia. My own father went to one when he trained for ministry.

He doesn't want to come to a conservative seminary. He thinks they are less prestigious, and cowardly. (his words not mine)

@couriersix7326

Ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure he said it was because the PCUSA would not ordain him if his education was from those seminaries, which would hinder him in his goal of changing the PCUSA from the inside.

@fnjesusfreak

Ай бұрын

@@couriersix7326 Pack a lunch (not you). The PCUSA is not going to suddenly get an epiphany and move rightward.

As President of PftK, I can gladly inform you that there has been a conservative takeover at Dubuque Theological Seminary (a seminary that my dad used to be in favor of closing down). Theology Matters practically runs the show up there now. Is that to say it’s better than rpts where the whole staff is theologically conservative? No. However, I’m not sure anyone could go to RPTS and be ordained in the pcusa.

@davidyancey3795

Ай бұрын

We both are considering seminary, actually

@jameswilson5621

Ай бұрын

That's heartening! I'd left a comment earlier saying Dubuque shifted leftward after Don Bloesch left and Mark Achtemeier departed from his parents' views. I'm happy to hear things have changed. I wish the same would happen at Union. It has some very good scholars, but has moved from liberal to radical.

Matt, the way in which you present yourself is truly inspiring. You are one of the best and most BIBLICAL religious youtubers in your demeanor. You were a class act in this and the other video. Honestly it is a shame that people with theological training on other channels cannot live up to your standard.

I’m waiting for the cage match. My money is on zoomer because he seems like more of a street fighter.

Lol it took RZ like 2 days to go back to bashing evangelicals, baptists, offshoots etc. That kid has a SERIOUS ego and pride problem and it earned my unsub too. He hates the PCA, he bashes Reformed Baptists just because they don't fit his criteria of "Reformed", he pretty much spends all his time these days talking about what his identity is ("why I'm not xyz", for example) like a typical Gen Z, and it has honestly just gotten tiring to see someone claim to be fighting for the kingdom but then bashing faithful churches while promoting the PCUSA of all places because of pretty buildings and a few extra confessions. RZ gave you alligator tears. His latest video on ranking confessions shows just that. That kid has a LOT of growing to do, and seriously needs to address his pride and humble himself.

Praise God I am pleased with this I think a lot of both of you even though both of you are Amills lol

sorry, the proper verbage is two "MINOR" public figures, Humility.

Assuming it was a Matthew 18 situation, how would that work out? Y’all aren’t in the same church and I doubt either of you would submit to the other’s church discipline.

@the_hortator

29 күн бұрын

And people have tried the Matthew 18 method with RZ before. He doesn’t respond to private confrontation- only when his reputation is at stake will he come up with a polite response and *possibly* admit wrongdoing.

Of course the question is, do you still unfollow him, or are you following him on social media again?

The Maater seminary will be better than RPTS

@redeemedzoomer6053

Ай бұрын

MacArthur's cult seminary which teaches dispensational nestorian trail of blood theory? No thanks

He said in a video yesterday that the PCA “rents out the local school cafeteria for Sunday service” lol….

@nickrush7975

Ай бұрын

@@david.calvin. I personally believe that beautiful cathedrals should be promoted, preserved, and protected, and it is ideal to worship and take Holy Communion is such places, I understand if it’s not possible, but it should be the goal.

@nickrush7975

Ай бұрын

@Katie-om4bk straw man. why would you assume that just because the building is beautiful that heresies must be taught there?

@nickrush7975

Ай бұрын

@Katie-om4bk I would say that’s not a good faith representation. He doesn’t want to cede the old mainlines in the city square. Why would you? Why give up that prime real estate, those lovely buildings? It’s better to fight from within

These types of videos draw interest away from Zoomer and I do not think that is good. Also the critique of Zoomer in the comments are very heady. I have different views than Zoomer on some things but this stuff is not helping.

@Weavileiscool

Ай бұрын

The comments can be a bit harsh but between these two people has been done all in good faith

@the_hortator

29 күн бұрын

When a Christian celebrity doesn’t preach the Word or show obedience to the Scripture, and just spends his time bashing other denominations, dividing between people in his own denomination, arguing high concepts and mistreating people on the internet, and so on- someone qualified needs to speak up so that people don’t think this is what Christianity looks like. His actions impact the reputation of Christ.

@the_hortator

29 күн бұрын

And may the record show, I know him and I’ve spent 500+ volunteer hours working for/with him. This is what Richard needs, and it’s what his audience needs.

Modern American Pastors while the sheep are devoured by wolves in the sheep clothing, "I am not polemic or confrontational". That's how PCUSA got lost in the first place. As guard Sheep dogs of Christ, at least growl....

Why don't you post his response on your last video? Might help with finding it a little easier.

I am sick to DEATH of this twisting of Matthew 18! It has NOTHING at all to do with correcting public teaching! NOTHING! Neither brother Everhard nor anyone else has ANY obligation to to privately to talk to a professing Christian about their PUBLIC teaching! Matthew 18 reads this way: "“If your brother sins *_AGAINST YOU_* , go and rebuke him in private. If he listens to you, you have won your brother. " (Matt 18:15, HCSB) It's personal offense, not public teaching that is being discussed! The New Testament is FILLED with public rebukes of wrong teaching! And YES, the Apostles NAME NAMES when they do so!

Zoomer has his problems and I cannot recommend him.

Masters Seminary (California), Ligonier Ministries, etc...

@redeemedzoomer6053

Ай бұрын

MacArthur's cult seminary which teaches dispensational nestorian trail of blood theory? No thanks

You both were extremely humble in your responses and I admire that. But on the issue of Matt 18 I will have to disagree with your statement. Humbly explaining our concerns as subjective doesn’t excuse that your concerns are SINS. 1) Greed using his platform attacking, insulting other Christians for gain is a sin. 2) You used the word Us when talking about RZ calling others cowards for not wanting to have your children subjected to the false teachings of PCUSA. (So that implies he has sinned against you.) 3) Again you used (US) to say his ideological view on buildings is Idolatry. Breaking the 2nd commandment. Dear brother I’m not seeking a response or debate, I’m just wanting to clarify the facts, i agree you have right to publicly challenge his positions but it is clear RZ has sinned and against you. You tried to make video constructive and reconciliatory which is great. But for you not to call them sin but instead ideological differences baffles me. Matt 18 does apply here.

Why do so many Gen Z Christians/influencers focus so much on high level theology instead of Scripture? Theology is important but it almost seems like an identity crisis.

@ChapJRW

Ай бұрын

Because we are to hold to and teach sound doctrine. Doctrine (theology) is the study, teaching, application, etc. of Scripture…. the two are not in any way at odds with one another when rightly applied… our theology must be derived from Scripture. Doctrine does divide and that is a good thing (1 Corinthians 11:19)… the Scripture is like a two edged sword that divides between good and evil (Hebrews 4:12). To your point though…. Knowledge for knowledge’s sake does nobody any good…. Let us seek wisdom (the application of knowledge derived from the word of God)

@perfidious333

Ай бұрын

Because they don’t believe anything, just like the ideas.

@Harlequin619

Ай бұрын

I'm not sure I understand what you mean. Could you elaborate on the difference between high-level theology and scripture?

@Scum_and_Villainy

Ай бұрын

You should read R. C. Sproul’s Everyones a theologian

@DankusMemicus

Ай бұрын

What do you mean "instead of scripture"? Where do you think the theology itself comes from?

I still don't get it though. Why did you have to make a public video about him if you could have just talked to him privately first? Isn't it not the order we should proceed as a church? Why did you feel the need to make a 30 minutes long video of a public execution about him without warning him first? I would have expected a more mature approach to it from your part as you are the more honorable man given your status and experience.

I don’t know who Redeemed Zoomer is. I have no dog in in this fight. However as a former Reformed Presbyterian pastor (God forgive me, I promise never to do it again) I can honestly say that ANY seminary is the worst thing possible for any young man on fire for God and His Word.

@alephnaught8343

Ай бұрын

that sounds like you have had a very tumultuous experience, im sorry to hear that.

@BoondockBrony

Ай бұрын

@@alephnaught8343 I bumped into a pastor that said the only thing that changed about him in seminary was he started drinking, so I can buy that.

@traviswilson36

29 күн бұрын

What?

@equalopportunitygadfly5908

29 күн бұрын

@@traviswilson36 did I stutter?

@equalopportunitygadfly5908

29 күн бұрын

@@alephnaught8343 not tumultuous. Cemeteries…er…I mean seminaries are too dead to be tumultuous.

You should probably do a video on the controversy surrounding the cancelation of David French at the GA, and how the grievous sin of MAGAism has infected the church.

@Dilley_G45

Ай бұрын

I don't think MAGA is more of an issue then the woke/alphabet/proHamas/anti-Christian issue of the left

@anubisanarchy5710

25 күн бұрын

​@@Dilley_G45they are both evil. Stop trying to justify one while condemning the other.

@Dilley_G45

25 күн бұрын

@@anubisanarchy5710 who is evil? What did u reply to?

@anubisanarchy5710

24 күн бұрын

@@Dilley_G45 Both the woke/BLM/feminists/queer stuff from the left AND the Trump loving, MAGAism, alt right, proud boys stuff from the right.

@Dilley_G45

24 күн бұрын

@@anubisanarchy5710 well clearly Trump won't put you into jail for bring Democrat and he neither opened borders or weaponized the fbi. Save freedom = stop leftists

CRybaby using him for views lol

stop making vids about a teenage boy, dude

@alephnaught8343

Ай бұрын

I think he is older than a teenager.

@Caleb-xf5yn

Ай бұрын

I don't care if he's 10 years old. That ain't the point.

@traviswilson36

29 күн бұрын

@@Caleb-xf5yn Found the ped0

@the_hortator

29 күн бұрын

He’s a celebrity. If he says and does the wrong thing, it needs to be corrected publicly by actual ministers so that people don’t think his opinions and actions are what Christianity looks like.