Distance Challenge: Hyzer Flip with an understable disc vs Flex Shot with an overstable disc

@rwsqb11

2 жыл бұрын

W idea

@jonahtrank2431

2 жыл бұрын

this one

@jgree21

2 жыл бұрын

THIS

@MaximilianBerkmann

2 жыл бұрын

Great idea.

@tylerbell6796

2 жыл бұрын

Difference between a hyzer flip and a flex shot?

The “nice shot” segment had me dying!!! 😂😂

We need Mark Rober to create a machine to assist in busting/validating this myth. This is the way.

@vandwellerfeller

Жыл бұрын

He made a full size disc launcher on crunch labs.

This sounds like a really good series starting. Cant wait

@bryansandstrom3077

2 жыл бұрын

They kinda should have broken the 4 myths they got into a series.. felt a little rushed.. also a run up on a pad is different than a run up on grass

This is literally just a James Conrad edition of Mythbusters. And I love it

What Trevor should have said: "I'm just giving you the information and letting you decide what MVP discs to buy."

@joshwilson2908

2 жыл бұрын

Basically

@joakimbackryd7752

2 жыл бұрын

yeah :) my goto midrange right now is a Discmania Origin... after seeing this video i really feel the need to buy a Hex

@Steventhrowsbirds

2 жыл бұрын

No insanity or dimension..

@rinsancrindle7715

2 жыл бұрын

@@joakimbackryd7752 Just started playing with Hex mids...oh man. dead strait, 240' uphill, under the pin. never got 7 feet off the ground.

@lucassouthard5577

2 жыл бұрын

@@rinsancrindle7715 my brother got me a hex last year and it quickly became my most thrown disc. Also got my first ace last week with it sooo...just sayin

"this is of course bogus because that's witchcraft" is the best line of the video.

@17:00 totally agree with this statement. I tweaked my knee and decided to slow my runup down. More of a walk up now. I just had my farthest throw ever at 440 ft when i was consistently throwing 330-370. Could randomly hit 400 here and there but the slower approach has me feeling more loaded with the shot.

Love how hunter gets more violent with the intro punch every video

Would love to see a stack of 10 of the same discs compared to another stack of 10 discs and get some averages. Love the content guys!

Axiom insanity is my furthest throwing disc, I agree with the gyro tech

Really we need a machine to throw the discs on the same angle with the same power, and then do a stack of 1000 of them. :)

@jwbeyersdoerfer

2 жыл бұрын

Need to get a conversation going between Foundation and Mark Rober to build something.

@joakimbackryd7752

2 жыл бұрын

@@jwbeyersdoerfer i'm pretty sure Jesse from Trash Panda was talking about his dream of building a disc throwing robot in his last video

@snikwahjets

2 жыл бұрын

​@@jwbeyersdoerfer nah he said a stack of 1000. Mark Rober would only get a couple of discs past 1200ft before the arm would rip its self off the machine lol. On a serious note. I have thought about designing a machine to do this. The tricky part would be to control the spin rate independent of release speed.

@MericaBack2backWWChampions

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. You could probably modify a tennis or baseball machine for discs by spreading out the rollers controlled by the motor

I’m an all mvp/axiom thrower and I can say that it has completely changed my game! I’m a believer

@jasonvandeventer2214

2 жыл бұрын

Atom is def farther than my non MVP putters. No question.

@michaelhill668

2 жыл бұрын

Envy gang!! Insanity gang!!

This is crazy because i just came home from a round where i started to taking it slower and learned that i throw much more accurate and further and managed to hit the lines perfectly. Before this i’ve always had a fast run up which have been working out alright. But it was raining today so it was hard to do it, slowed down and everything went better than ever!

This is one of the best videos you guys have posted that is a little more silly. Great job

I was not expecting that ending, that stuff was gold. 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣🤣🤣

Love it!!! Please make this a regular series... Please!!!

Best intro so far. Quick and to the point.

The “nice” myth got me dying at the end there. But for real that myth is definitely true

Sh!t now I'm going to have to go get mvp discs. Thanks.

Props to Konnor for that cut at the end 👏🏼👏🏼 well done sir

@konnerkennedy1869

2 жыл бұрын

🙏🏼

Great episode!! Love the myths and results.

I've been throwing some MVP since their first disc, the Ion came out. Loved it and have been putting with it since, but it was the only MVP in my bag. The Wave changed that. Guaranteed to add distance for noodle armed throwers like me. I was throwing a Surge SS as my main driver before I picked up a few Waves to try out. Instant noticeable added distance. My bag slowly changed to all MVP as I tried different molds. The Volt is another VERY good disc, that replaced my Stalkers. The Theory is a super straight flying mid, although it's unfortunately OOP.

Myth: talking in someone backswing is actually helpful

For the distance ones use the radar gun to find two throws with same speed so then you know if the release angles are similar it's a really good comparison

@bosta84

2 жыл бұрын

^^^ THIS!!

I’ve always heard that your max distance divided by 30 is a rough ballpark for the highest speed disc you can throw, and throwing faster discs won’t increase your distance. For example, someone throwing 300’ should cap their speed at 10. Definitely relates to what you were saying about faster discs going further as long as you have the arm speed to throw them, I’m just wondering how accurate the max/30 rule of thumb is

@springysloth1186

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve never heard this before, but it applies to my game very well. I think it is a good rule for mediocre to advanced players, but with pros throwing 600+ feet it doesn’t apply as much. That would call for a 20+ speed disc. Thanks for the information though, I’ll definitely use this rule!

@benschikker833

2 жыл бұрын

Max distance or average distance? I feel like average would be more accurate

@springysloth1186

2 жыл бұрын

@@benschikker833 I used my max distance, but my average distance isn’t far from it 😬

@benschikker833

2 жыл бұрын

If I went by my average I should throw 13 speed. which would be good because I throw a nuke. But if I went by max distance I should throw 15 speed and that doesn't seem right. Not hating just asking. :)

@TheGullibleSkeptic

2 жыл бұрын

@@benschikker833 I hadn't heard of this rule before. But the assumption would be to use it until you reach 12 or 13. Then you're already at a distance driver speed, so there's no need for the rule at that point. You're already there.

Super dope video guys. Well done.

Not sure if this was said, but to scientifically remove the variability of how hard you throw each disc, angle, height, etc., you just need more replicates. Do it over and over and average the results. Science!

@J_Cav84

2 жыл бұрын

Glad someone said it, I was going to and found your comment. AT THE LEAST, throwing each pairing 10-15 times, and honestly if you were REALLY invested, having multiple more people at different skills levels all doing that, that would be a better rep for starters. Then add more manufacturers per the comparison.

Great video concept. KZread recommended this to me after I watched Simon's "Does arm speed equal distance" video. Loved watching Trevor's mind being blown with the fast run-up results!

We need more of these

I loved the Nice! confirmation. Bravo!

Hahahaha the last myth, 🤣 you guys left me dying of laughter!!

Love this new series!

Great video guys!

You got me with that ending. That was too funny.

I one step every throw and have improved my form tremendously. Now I have a truer understanding of how each disc will preform at each distance as my form is consistent. 51 years of disc golf!

The last test made the whole video. Hahahaha. Love it.

That ending killed me!! Haha

That Nice shot myth is 100% true

Picked up a tenacity used at a local disc golf store as one of my first non starter pack purchases. Absolutely love it. An immediate upgrade.

I’ve tried similar discs across many brands and I personally like the MVP gyro bc it seems to feel like you don’t need to put as much into the disc to get a similar flight to other brands. They also seem to want to glide further or stay in the air longer. Maybe the gyro puts more weight at the rim for the balance of the disc therefore making it naturally have more rotations making it stay up in the air longer.

Gave me a very good chuckle with the last one lol

Drew Gibson is a great example of a slow run up with just as much power. He never runs up fast and still absolutely bombs.

@kenandean6441

2 жыл бұрын

Simon too

Great video!

Solid content right here.

That last clip was so smooth :D

I'm so glad for the run up speed test. I've always been confused why full send fairway shots seem so much less effort than off the tee

Now here’s a solid video! And you guys didn’t even bicker:)

Good science on this one boys. Jamie and Adam would be proud.

That ending thou😂

Faster run ups (than you're used to) throws off your timing and mechanics resulting in a slower throw. The faster the run up the more precise your timing needs to be.

@snikwahjets

2 жыл бұрын

probably not used to running on grass either

@markstanbrook5578

2 жыл бұрын

In order for there to be any momentum transferred to the disc you have to still be moving at your run speed as you release the disc. Since you plant your lead foot this becomes you overbalancing. The only pro who really does this is James Conran, maybe Kevin Jones.

I’m a college baseball player and the mechanics of throwing a disc and ball are somewhat similar. When you have a fast run up, you typically rush and don’t create much separation between your hips and shoulders. Which a slower run up, you will usually be more controlled and be able to create more separation. When you go fast you end up throwing your timing off but if you ever figure out how to time your movements better the fast run up will go faster but it will take time to learn.

@owenb.3831

2 жыл бұрын

An example could be Simon lizottes 360 spin throw. If I went and did that it would go 200 feet but he has learned how he needs to time it and it allows him to create a ridiculous amount of stretch and separation and generate greater speed than a normal throw.

You guys should have had Sasquatch run out of the woods for the nice myth. Also, if Trevor doesn’t believe in witchcraft. How does he explain the dark horse picks?

hahaha that last one cracked me up xD

Hahaha that ending was great!

“Never claimed to be a fighter” 😂😂

@benpropes

2 жыл бұрын

I loved that lol

Trevor's shot at the end was hilarious 😂🤣😎

they edited out the laughter at the end lol i wanna see it all one day

One of the OG disc golf myths. The color of the disc affects the flight.

@majoracedg1232

2 жыл бұрын

Yes I really wanna see this

Man that "nice shot" myth being true is just crazy

How about testing whether a putter actually putts better than another type of disc, like a mid or fairway driver or driver? Or if playing a round where one can only carry one disc, what would you carry: putter, mid, fairway, or driver?

I would love to see bloopers of that final shot

Bro I love it when you reference basketball 🏀 any sport really I enjoy the correlation😎

What are the weights of the discs? I am starting to wonder if I should be buying lighter discs..My thought was heavier should go farther.. but if my are speed sucks it might be hurting my distance..

The Beach Shop and Grill is one of my favorite restaurants of all time!

What I find from mvp and axiom discs is that they tend to get longer forward skips, I think its because the disc holds rotation longer even though the rotations are slower so the disc hold forward momentum longer.

@RecRob

2 жыл бұрын

100% spot on

I agree with the timing being the key point of force transferred in a disc. Thats why when you do a 360 you can add up to 20 mph to your throw but nobody does that because it is inconsistent and the pros play well because they are soooo consistent.

Myth: putters are the straightest flying discs

Potential myths: Overmold discs skip less Leaning your body controls disc flight Lighter discs (does higher speed release = further flight with a lighter disc) And please do a domey discs fly further test

@jonasnielsen8665

2 жыл бұрын

YES!

@Sharp_3yE

2 жыл бұрын

Leaning your body controls angles. As in more hyzer or anhyzer. That's not some kind of myth. That's technique actually used.

@kimmomatikainen1843

2 жыл бұрын

Sharp already aswers leaning your body. Guys at DD tested light disc vs max weight disc. With low arm speed light goes farther, but with fast arm speed max weight goes farther.

@Sharp_3yE

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimmomatikainen1843 might at well do more tests for science and see if it's repeatable.

@justwondering1926

2 жыл бұрын

I meant leaning body mid flight and yelling at the disc to sit, go, turn etc…

fun video! would like more mythbusters. imo an understanding of physics precludes the possibility of a disc without some sort of gyro ever beating one that does. same with higher speeds discs. a higher speed disc essentially IS gyro technology, they add more material to the outside rim of the disc.

lol.. i started like 4 years ago, and went from Mako to Hex as a complete newbie. Mako was my first love and then the Hex design and name shouted out to me. So then I loved one for a long time. Lost it and got it replaced with a much beefier Hex. So i'm kind of at a loss with mids now. Roc3 and Halo Roc3 is my new jam and I can get more use out of those nowadays than a hex for me. Distance isn't everything especially with touchy mid range shots.

I have a few mvps and I swear I thought they went further but I didn’t want to say anything lol. I’m surprised by this.

That ending 😂

The speed might be getting messed up due to how closely you throw the disc to the radar gun

Running up fast, you are shortening your pull back to keep up with your body. Your power comes mostly from the snap when pulling the disc forward. When you run up fast, you also aren't utilizing the power in your legs and in turn actually need to slow down when releasing the disc. It's all about finding the happy medium.

yeah I think the easy way to do the MVP vs others for distance is to just up the sample size on each of those shots, maybe 5 or 10 throws in each comparison

Ok, that last one made it totally worth watching the whole video. For the speed gun test, you could try stand still vs controlled run up.

It makes sense, when you run-up faster your muscles are tense and that makes them slow. When your run-up is slow and relaxed, your arm and whole body are much faster.

I just did a field test and I can say, at least with putters and fairways, MVP goes further. I threw my Proxy 324 Flat. I threw my Luna 286 flat. I threw my Instinct 324. I threw my Resistor 397!

I started out with Discraft and Innova but man. MVP feels great when throwing. For me its about the feel of the disc and I like throwing forehand

@GooseTX1869

2 жыл бұрын

Which mvps do you throw for flip up forehands? Looking to fill that hole

@Set42

2 жыл бұрын

@@GooseTX1869 I've been playing over a year I mainly use like stable disc and honestly with a reactor, I've started using a crave and a relay is really nice if you want to put some hyzer to it

@GooseTX1869

2 жыл бұрын

@@Set42 yeah same here a little over a year. I came from ultimate so I’m more comfortable with the forehand

@Set42

2 жыл бұрын

@@GooseTX1869 Facts man. I used to throw frisbee and more natural on the forehand

Just got a few MVP discs about a week ago, hoping for decent weather here in Vermont to give them a throw.

For scientific purposes (if you want to be more/actually scientific about it), the best way to account for variances from throw to throw or thrower to thrower is to simply increase the number of throws. Throw and measure 10, 20, or 50 throws with each disc and average them. The bigger the sample size the more options you have for working with the numbers too. For example you can choose to eliminate a certain number of the farthest and shortest throws for each disc to account for anomalies and get a more representative average.

This video comparison is awesome because I throw a lot further walking up super slow and it always confused me

Here is one of the problems with the fast run up - it becomes increasingly difficult the faster you go to get your feet, arms, hips, and elbows to rotate effectively around your center of gravity. Imagine trying to throw hard or hit someone hard at a full sprint. Basically your footwork just exists to give you the opportunity to establish direction and allow your body to get 'set' for release. Loved the last segment. My dog just sighed while I laughed for nearly a minute...

Maybe the slower run up gives you more time to focus on what actually matters in generating power, which is when the plant foot goes down up until you release the disc. This abt 0.2 seconds long period is the most important in the whole throw for generating power.

That last throw caught me off guard hahah!

As an MA40 player that doesn't have a monster arm, I have yet to find a disc I can consistently throw farther than a Wave. I highly recommend the disc.

i would say if you can keep technique and run up faster than yes you can throw farther. You need to add plausible into the list like myth busters

Have you and Trevor played a bag swap round yet? If not.... please do!

That last myth is hilarious 😂

Do running up speed myth with some pros. Would be really interesting.

🤣🤣🤣 you guys kill me

I really want to know if this is true or not. Myth: Heavier discs go further

@ivaruutar

2 жыл бұрын

heavier discs are more predictable in the wind, therefore they are better controlled. If you can get 100% same throw with a disc that is lighter, the light one will go further, because it can float longer in air due to its reduced bodyweight.

@ironsebbs9848

2 жыл бұрын

Ezra has done a heavier to lighter test, go check that out

@nikogarcia3249

2 жыл бұрын

@@ironsebbs9848 he didn't measure distance though. He measured arm speed. I guess you could say faster arm speed would mean a further throw, only if there is no wind, though.

@r4ngutang

2 жыл бұрын

It is already known that lighter discs go further but heavy discs are more reliable

@kimmomatikainen1843

2 жыл бұрын

Dynamic Disc guys tested this maybe 2 years ago. Light disc flies farther with low arm speed and max weight flies farther with fast arm speed. Makes sense as well.

loved hunter with the stick!!!!! lol

I feel like the higher pitch of their plant from the friction of their shoes and the grass the better the shot lol

Orange is the flippiest plastic color

Awesome vid. I 100% believe in the nice one

that was hilarious

In future range comparisons... throwing 5-10 shots with each disc and taking the average would potentially be better science. Adds to production time but... just an idea without trying to get into mechanical solutions that could standardize the throw.

I play with mostly discraft, throw a buzzz regularly. First throw with a Hex it held the straightest line I'd ever seen, also went about 20ft further than my buzzz. Still prefer to throw my discraft discs though.