Quick correction--several viewers have pointed out the villain from the unproduced sequel sounds more like Jeff Bennet, rather than Corey Burton. Upon listening again, I think they're correct.

@antonissa8345

Жыл бұрын

Can you pls do Sonny from Cocoa Puffs?

@garrettcarter5622

Жыл бұрын

It's the twang he puts in "CapTAINNN" that gives him away. It's the same voice he does for any time he played someone French in Animaniacs.

@agentcairney1802

Жыл бұрын

You forgot about the evil Queen from the charmings in the 1980s

@mikechicago6200

Жыл бұрын

​@@antonissa8345 .

@maxxandfriends6226

Жыл бұрын

Can you do prince john and Sheffield of Nottingham

I still can't believe how the whole conflict of the movie was caused by Edgar's stupidity. It should be obvious to everyone that he would be in charge of the estate and the finances while making the cats' well-being his first priority.

@patrickzalatoris3206

Жыл бұрын

Not like the cats would've lasted long anyway, so after that he'd be free to use the money anyway he'd want, but nope, just did bad math and tried killing the cats

@patrickzalatoris3206

Жыл бұрын

Sorry not kill, that would even be too smart for him, he tried sending them away

@deskish3930

Жыл бұрын

@@patrickzalatoris3206 yeah he made this weird leap in logic that cats have nine lives therefore they would outlast him. Edgar was not a smart man

@LCCWPresents

Жыл бұрын

So I would say that if this wasn’t cartoon world, his boss could’ve left the estate and wealth in a trust until the cats died which means Edgar would’ve not held the wealth directly until the cats died.

@christopherwall2121

Жыл бұрын

@@LCCWPresents at least one comment on Colin's preview announcement for this vid pointed out that if Edgar used his brains for a moment, he'd realize that he's basically getting the money anyway, and all he'd have to do is put on airs of doing so in the cats' interest. (Something like, "No, no, no, Marie doenst like riding in automobiles that are more than a year old, we'll have to get a new one", to paraphrase the specific comment I'm thinking of)

Oddly enough when it comes to Edgar he’s the most ‘human’ villain in the Disney pantheon. He’s kind of like the Onceler in the book and original cartoon of the Lorax. He’s not cartoonishly evil, he’s just been put into a situation in which he convinced himself to do something horrible. And in some ways that makes him a better villain than someone like maleficent or Cruella. Because he’s more a type of villain that anyone can find themselves becoming.

@a.rustici1972

Жыл бұрын

I couldn’t have said it better myself!

@Socialism_on_Roids

Жыл бұрын

^^This!

@BarnabusBarbarossa

Жыл бұрын

Does that mean Edgar has potential to be a Tumblr Sexyman like the Onceler?

@Nazo-kage

Жыл бұрын

@@BarnabusBarbarossa The ‘original’ Onceler.

@maldon3659

Жыл бұрын

@@Nazo-kage thank god he never became a Tumblr sexyman

I love trying to guess how Disney are going to ruin their villains with a tragic backstory in the LA versions. Let's see... Edgar was found and raised by the Alley Cats as a baby, and was teased at school for his catty behaviour. He learns how to act like a human but resents his cat fathers, especially when they throw him out for not wanting to be a cat. Because EVERYBODY wants to be a cat.

@andrewmorrice9139

Жыл бұрын

This ties into that episode of Top Cat where he and his gang briefly try to raise a baby. Now we can have a Disney/Hanna-Barbera multi-whatsit!

@endertuber8300

Жыл бұрын

This hurt so much to imagine becouse I had zero problems in doing so... after Cruella and Pinocchio Disney is capable of doing anything at this point

@calebray1834

Жыл бұрын

@@endertuber8300 hey at least the kept The Coachman evil.

@saphirebandit93

Жыл бұрын

I hate how plausible this is

@glasscardproductions4736

Жыл бұрын

@@calebray1834, but they left out the part about the exposing of children to alcohol and tobacco. Questionable, no?

Its honestly kind of a shame they never went with the Jekyll and Hyde idea for Edgar, that could have made him a fair bit more unhinged and threatening a villain while still maintaining his comedic attributes. Plus it would have made for some wild animation.

@jaggerguth4391

Жыл бұрын

I Proposed a idea that Edger is actually a Phantom thief known as Pierre The Swiper who wants Madam fortune so he could retire from Crime all together. His "Jekyll" side will be Edgar, His "Hyde" side will be Pierre. When he learns that Madam is giving her fortune to the cats, Edgar decides to tell Madam the story about his Pierre persona and how one day he will kill the things you love, in this case the Cats. This give Edgar a good idea to kill the cats as Pierre and claim the fortune himself.

@desmondcoppin591

Жыл бұрын

I like him being a more human character than that.

@glasscardproductions4736

Жыл бұрын

And if it's actually like the Jekyll & Hyde dynamic, he'd still be very much human and even more evil.

The time of the 5 Edgar fans have come

@umbrella3235

Жыл бұрын

Heck yeah! #EdgarGang

@michealmyers7165

Жыл бұрын

@@umbrella3235 #EdgarGang

@jolliwoodstudios

Жыл бұрын

#EdgarGang rise up

@juliamavroidi8601

Жыл бұрын

There are dozens of us! Dozens!

@endertuber8300

Жыл бұрын

The Edgar Army is rising once more!!! On a more serious note, I could watch him move, speak and hearing talk forever, his animation and voice acting are truely amazing and I personally love that "rough pencil style" lyne-art that old Disney movies had in that period

That Elvira character seemed to have a bit of potential on the early scripts, I like that’s scene where she and Edgar are making fun of their boss behind the chair, she looked elegant but wasn’t afraid to be goofy and equally as malicious as Edgar, I prefer a character like that than just a an air headed woman who’s being manipulated.

@Tadicuslegion78

Жыл бұрын

Ever seen the movie Candleshoe? that's how they did the villains.

I wonder if Suzette wasn't removed so much as fused with Pierre to create the Edgar we have now. Which would explain why Edgar seem more like a hapless fool who got in way over his head rather than calculating villain Pierre was.

@calebray1834

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think the two characters merged into Edger.

@osmanyousif7849

Жыл бұрын

Would’ve been interesting to make Suzette the villain like Yzma, and Edgar be sort of her partner like Kronk. Even making a statement when he realizes that he forgot his hat an umbrella, being similar to when Kronk said, “God, I hope that doesn’t come back to haunt me…”.

In truth, if Madame Adelaide had stated that Edgar would get the fortune in exchange for taking care of the cats as if they were his own, then that would be a more reasonable (and realistic) condition. Edgar would still get the fortune, the cats would have their lives uninterrupted, everyone wins. Of course, there could be an additional condition that an inspector or something close would check on the condition of the cats mental and physical state to make sure Edgar was keeping his end of the deal. But that's my food for thought.

@calebray1834

Жыл бұрын

I think this whole came down to communication.

I used to own a storybook version of The Aristocats, and the ending is slightly different: instead of having a large fight with the alley cats, the Madame found the cats in the trunk to go to Timbuktu. (I believe O’Malley and the other alley cats had somehow informed her of the trunk.) She got them out, and then fired Edgar on the spot, and then she opened up her home for the alley cats as a thank you.

@justinbremer2281

Жыл бұрын

I might have had the same book! I definitely recognize the story, maybe it was in a collection or something. Was there an accompanying cassette tape to read along with?

@treehugger2925

Жыл бұрын

@@justinbremer2281 I think so!

@Yu7Yu7Me7Yume7

Жыл бұрын

I remember that!

Letting pets inherent money and property happens quiet often in real life, though this is less about them having any actual use for money and more just to ensure they are not just thrown out to the streets when their owners die. Course the actual inheritance is usually not stuck in limbo, there is usually a beneficiary who will actually control the finances and property and be the ones who would take care of the now ownerless pets, so in aristocats case (assuming cats are still just seen as pets in this world) it most likely would’ve been Edgar. So he probably would’ve gotten all the money anyway he just have to take care of the cats. Again that's assuming the cats are still just pets in this world.

@jayt9608

Жыл бұрын

Mom cleaned a residence for a cat. The owner had passed away, and the family did not wish to disrupt the cat's life and no one could take her at the time. So the cat remained in the residence, about twice a day or so a member of the family would check on her, and Mom was paid to come in every week or two and clean. Circumstances eventually changed, the cat went to a family member, the residence was disposed of, and Mom moved on to other clients.

@mightyfilm

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but plot contrivances and all. Had this film had any logic to it, there wouldn't be much of a story. All Edgar would have to do is keep the cats in expensive fish and bowls to keep the fish in, and just take the rest of it for himself. Worst case scenario, he could just pay someone to take care of the cats, and if he got someone who loved cats, he could get them to work cheap.

@christopherwall2121

Жыл бұрын

I always assumed that was the movie's big joke with Edgar, the one thing underlining his whole story: all of his problems and motivations are of his own invention.

@mightyfilm

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherwall2121 Frankly, I'd think they'd do a better job making him evil if this was a Rescue Rangers episode. Here he does seem like he's his own worst enemy, sure, but it feels like a bunch of dumb circumstantial stuff and poor planning for the sake of the plot.

@dustymcwari4468

Жыл бұрын

I think he just didn’t want to share anything with the cats

I think Edgar works perfectly well in this movie. He is absolutely hillarious, especially the chase scenes with the dogs. My siblings and I laugh over him even years later.

@brycelandon6387

Жыл бұрын

Those scenes with Edgar and the dogs are the only things I like about The Aristocats. Partly because it feels like something out of Looney Tunes.

I didn't expect there to be so much deleted story involving Edgar! Shame we lost Elvira and the scam marriage plot, it would have probably cemented them as more memorable villains in Disney history! Also Edgar appeared recently at Disneyland CA as a Meet and Greet character for their Villains Nite celebration (rare characters like Bowler Hat Guy and Prince John are also there!)

@sarasamaletdin4574

Жыл бұрын

As a villain couple they would have been unique since there isn’t villain couples as far I can recall in Disney. Villain butler alone isn’t that unique.

@juliamavroidi8601

Жыл бұрын

Who is Bowler Hat guy?

@NightoftheLivingcookies10

Жыл бұрын

@@juliamavroidi8601 The villain from Meet the Robinsons

@juliamavroidi8601

Жыл бұрын

@@NightoftheLivingcookies10 Ah, him^^ thx

I feel Edgar could had work better as villain if the film had gave him a more active role after the Aristocats went missing. Instead of assuming the cats are gone, Edgar could suspect they are alive and go hunt for them, making the aristocats journey back to home more suspenseful since they would been chase by villain. This could also result in more chase scenes between Edgar and the dogs, who would want to go after him, making the whole film a cat and mouse game.

This is one of the few times where I'd say that the early drafts of the character (and by extension the overall film) sound a *lot* better than what we ultimately got. Hearing about the older versions of Edgar makes me see what they were going for far more, I just wish that they had managed it instead of giving us the absolute loser he became.

@sarasamaletdin4574

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they were a bit lost after Walt Disney died. Or maybe they were sick of larger than life villains, similarly how Pixar leadership arriving at Disney seems to have made them quit having big villains and focus on more realistic ones. Edgar is at least realistic.

@metademetra

Жыл бұрын

I may just be coming off the heels of watching Mega Mind recently, and seeing how THAT movie handles loser antagonists may be fresh in my mind, but I think having someone do awful things because they can't handle how truly lame they are isn't necessarily a problem. That's likely to be the grand majority of bad people we interact with.

Edgar is truly the most Disney Villain of all time

@n.d.engleson6499

Жыл бұрын

LOL that's a good one!

@erainmartinez8175

Жыл бұрын

Too bad he does make much of appearances in time there's nothing said about him that he is a greedy rich villain that's pretty much it sure he's funny that's all he wants is her money

@juicebox7372

Жыл бұрын

@@n.d.engleson6499 Was this a reference to the movie? Or are you just repeating what the others say after someone says an overused comment like this because this is the type of comment that usually comes after.

@a.rustici1972

Жыл бұрын

*Ba-Dum, CHING!*

@theastonvillaseal585

Жыл бұрын

Described him well, a meh

"I just spent 20 minutes talking about the butler from the Aristocats." 20 minutes well spent.

It was bittersweet watching the Bonus section about 'Bedknobs And Broomsticks' a week or so after Angela Lansbury's death. I'm happy Colin managed to fit it into this episode.

In one particular Aristocats storybook, Edgar is caught red‐handed and is fired by Madame for his deed.

Nice video, personally I'm in the camp that thinks of Edgar as more of a pitiable fool than a real villian, if they had kept the subplot of him manipulating the ditzy maid that would have definately pushed him more into the loathsomeness that you can really root against. Although I agree not every villain needs to be some larger than life monster like Cruella or Malificient and sometimes a villian who's more funny than threatening is what a story really needs.

I find Edgar's lack of malice (or true villainy) to be what makes him compelling as an antagonist. He really is just a regular human who let his selfishness and bitterness get the better of him. Before he knew it, he had spiraled to what could be considered rock bottom. In this way, it's his averageness that makes him striking as a villain. His fate could be anyone's if they're not careful. Plus, as you say, his demeanor fits the nature of this film very naturally. Personally, a more "evil" villain would have felt out of place to me in a whimsical tale such as this. I would've loved to see the manipulative butler/maid dynamic from the early drafts, but I also find no fault in what we got.

Fun fact the voice actor for edgar is still alive and come April next year will be 93

Justice for Edgar! Imaging working and devoting your life as a live in Butler, only for your boss to pass on all the wealth to some cats...

@baalfgames5318

Жыл бұрын

If I were to remake The Aristocats, I would definitely make Edgar a more sympathetic character, and possibly give him a happier ending then probably suffocating from being stuck in a briefcase.

@jaggerguth4391

Жыл бұрын

@@baalfgames5318 Then again he was trying to poison the cats...

@baalfgames5318

Жыл бұрын

@@jaggerguth4391 it was sleeping poison, though. He actually tried not to resort to killing the cats. Even with his plan B, sending the cats to Timbuktu, his intent wasn't to outright kill the cats

@Cure_Hana

Жыл бұрын

@@baalfgames5318 Adding onto that is how he chooses to merely pin Thomas down with the pitchfork during their skirmish as opposed to outright stabbing him.

@princeapoopoo5787

Жыл бұрын

Like, I know he wanted to get rid of a bunch of cats and left them to die (I know he merely abandoned them, but like they've been pampered their entire lives and most of them were *kittens* ) but his actions and overall vibe just seem too pathetic for me to not want to throw him a little bone. A little scrap.

I just LOVE the action sequence with here the Butler and Dogs. Showing us the animated world lacks the limitations of live action.

If there's going to be a live action remake of The Aristocats, they should bring back the old Edgar concept of Greed corrupting a good man.

@samperry5383

Жыл бұрын

They are remaking The Aristocats

@ThePmbstudios

Жыл бұрын

@@samperry5383 Why am I not surprised.

I wonder who’s gonna play Edgar in the live action Aristocats? Also fun fact: the King Leonidas costume head is actually the same head mold as Tigger’s head, just with different fur.

@Ozzygirl17

Жыл бұрын

That’d be interesting. My money would be on either Patrick Stewart or Ian McKellan (literally the first two I thought of). I also would be interested to see if it’s copy-paste of the original, like it has been, or if they’ll have a whole new idea. This was one of my favorite Disney movies growing up, so I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

@forrestdupre87

Жыл бұрын

Eric Idle would be a good choice

@christopherwall2121

Жыл бұрын

I'm picturing a version where Rowan Atkinson essentially combines his two most beloved characters, Mr. Bean and Edmund Blackadder, into one.

@osmanyousif7849

Жыл бұрын

I’d say someone in their 40s to 50s who can definitely do comedy. My choices: Jean Dujardin (Man has done comedy, but also if he seed him in Wolf of Wall Street, he can definitely play that conning and sleazy side) Simon Pegg (can definitely see him going big with this one) Tobias Menzies (he can definitely play someone who gets walked all over like in Game of Thrones, similar to Edgar, but the actor has been starting to dive into comedy)

@mrcritical6751

Жыл бұрын

Andy Serkis might be a good choice, good comedic timing and physical comedy abilities but can also go threatening if needed

This movie was a vhs favorite of mine! I've also always been a sucker for cats, so that helped

@Margatatials

Жыл бұрын

I wore out our families first VHS copy and my parents had to by second copy

oh boy, a string of dark age villains, this'll be interesting. thoh i am genuinely excited for McLeach (since i assume you'll cover Down Under alongside the original Rescuers), Horned King, and Ratigan

@katpottz476

Жыл бұрын

ratigan will be an amazing video topic

@srstriker6420

Жыл бұрын

That’s what I was wondering on McLeach just sharing his video with Madame Medusa

@jordancampbell8597

Жыл бұрын

@@srstriker6420 Probably. He's a big, tough poacher...but that's it. He's a big, tough poacher who will hurt a child, but he's got no real backstory, no complex motivation outside of greed.

@brandonlyon730

Жыл бұрын

@@srstriker6420Probably, Colin is going by franchise order like in his fantasia video he did the original as well as 2000 discussing the villains of each in the same video.

@Karmy.

Жыл бұрын

@@katpottz476 Ratigan is my favorite Disney villain

One thing I remember from Aristocats, everybody want's to be a Cat. I think Edgar was a underwhelming villain but he does have his charming moments and he is one of the villains who did have a reason for being who he became.

If they had kept Elvira in, I would've preferred if she really was a coconspirator of Edgar, rather than some airheaded pawn. Her and Edgar could've been more akin to Jasper and Horace from 101 Dalmatians, but with the added caveat that they genuinely love each other.

@CruelSeason

Ай бұрын

Villain couple W

Good video! I've done some of my own overanalyzing of this particular villain: at the end of the movie Madame Bonfamille tells Georges Hautecorte that "I'm sure if Edgar had only known about the will he never would have left." It's vague, but to me this always suggested that Edgar was going to inherit some money upfront the whole time, and if he had waited to hear all the details of the will he would have seen no need to steal the cats. And there is a big hole in his plan anyways: even if Duchess and the kittens never came back Madame could end up getting another cat anyways, unless Edgar decided to be even more nasty and outright murder his employer first. He really is a foolish villain, but I don't have any real sympathy for him either. Madame obviously saw her pets as almost like family so stealing them was truly a rotten thing to do, and Edgar's need/desire for money doesn't justify it.

Imagine if Edgar just quits his job and moves to New York to become a DJ.

@jaggerguth4391

Жыл бұрын

OH GOD NOT OUTTA NOWHERE RAPPING EUSTANCE AGAIN!

Edgar is an entertaining villain in the same way as Wile E Coyote, Harry & Marv, and Horace & Jasper. They are all entertaining when they goof up and get hurt.

Great video as always. On the topic of the unmade sequel, i'm 99% sure that the voice actor for the unknown villain is Jeff Bennet. The voice he uses is extremely similar to his role as Kowalski in the Madasgascar films, just with a french accent.

@christopherwall2121

Жыл бұрын

Or Dr. von Hamsterviel

@daliborjovanovic510

Жыл бұрын

Yes, he does very much sound like Jeff Bennett.

This is an underrated Disney movie.

I'm honestly amazed you were able to find so much to talk about regarding Edgar! Next up, that snivellin' grovellin', measly weasely, blabberin' jabberin', gibberin' jabberin', blunderin' plunderin', wheelin' dealin' Prince John!

@Victoria-cm7yh

Жыл бұрын

Too late to be known as John the First, he's sure to be known as John the Worst!

@christopherwall2121

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see how Colin contrasts him with the historical Prince John. Most versions of Prince John, I like to ask, "Can you see this man signing the Magna Carta?" And that goes double for this Disney version.

@christopherwall2121

Жыл бұрын

@@Victoria-cm7yh John was the only king of England to go by that name, so catchiness aside, that lyric alone is completely wrong.

@nicolasfisher4746

Жыл бұрын

@@Victoria-cm7yh A pox on the phony king of England

@calebray1834

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherwall2121 hell, in most Robin Hood media besides this one the main antagonist is usually The Sheriff of Nottingham. Prince John is normally not present or very minor.

I can't wait for Prince John! Every once in awhile I'll find myself humming "Prince John, the phony king of England." Robin Hood might actually be my favorite Disney soundtrack now that I think about it.

@seannolan9857

Жыл бұрын

Hiring Roger Miller and Phil Harris was probably the best decision made in that entire production.

@CinnamonGrrlErin1

Жыл бұрын

@@seannolan9857 absolutely. And Miller brings such a piquant sense of style and humor with his music. Also why he's one of my favorite Muppet Show guest stars lol

I'm amazed that Edgar was even IN anything else. I watched a lot of this Disney era as a kid, and Aristocats always felt like some kind of weird fever dream. And it still does. That comic panel of him shouting at O'Malley looks like a horrifying multiverse Garfield.

Edgar is literally the anti-cruella. The writers took every aspect of Cruella and swapped it, including having him get rid of cats rather than collect dogs.

Brilliant episode can’t wait for Prince John/Madam Medusa

@srstriker6420

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and the same for the Horned king and Sykes from Oliver and company

@sesamefan4049

Жыл бұрын

And Ratigan

@nicolasfisher4746

Жыл бұрын

@@sesamefan4049 Amos Slade and Percival C Mcleach

Regarding Edgar turning up in Paris: Apparently the Aristocats are extremely popular in France (btw, The Rescuers are extremely popular in Germany, for some reason), so even if there isn't a special event the fan stores there are stuffed with plushies of the Aristocats.

@El_Omar2203

8 ай бұрын

worldwide in general, the white kitten is very popular when it comes to merchandise, if the female character in a notebook, shirt or backpack is not a Disney Princess or Minnie, it'll probably be her.

If they at least Edgar express more annoyance at the cats and their antics, more overtly greedy, spiteful, and unhinged (especially near the end of the film when the cats are back), and maybe another character like the maid to play off of, I think he’d be better. Here’s an idea for a reworked ending: Rather than shipping the cats away, he tries to kill them. The Madam walks in on him and is confused and enraged demanding an explanation. Edgar stumbles over his words making up an alibi. He then tries to run for it when the madam threatens to call the police, but the mouse trips him after tying his laces together thwarting him.

Edgar is a very complex character. He's not exactly a villain in the strictest sense of the word. He's a rather nervous overthinker who really needs to just calm down and not try to solve his dilemma. Yes, it does seem rather futile to leave a fortune to a bunch of cats, and unfair as well, but Edgar took the whole "nine lives" business too literally (and notice how, judging from the way he does the mathematics, he seems to be under the impression that those nine lives won't even start until their inheritance begins, and that each cat will live each life one at a time (one cat, I mean) which means he'll have zip chance of living long enough to inherit himself). Even so, he could have chosen far worse methods for getting rid of the cats than he did. Honestly, my message to him is "chill, Edgar. Madame Bonfamille isn't even dead yet."

@calebray1834

Жыл бұрын

And if you see in the end he was in the will since they had crossed him out when he “left”.

When the inevitable Aristocats live action film is made, I do hope the chase scene between Edgar and the dogs is as wild and fast paced.

That smile Edgar makes in the early draft looks very much like the one the Grinch from Chuck Jones' How the Grinch Stole Christmas makes when he gets that "wonderful, awful" idea to steal Christmas.

Colin you got some of the most detailed videos I watch dude! This used to be one of my favorite videos as a kid and had no idea about the whole back stories before hand. It’s such a interesting history lesson.

Another excellent break down! And with my favorite movie next up! Life is good!

It's always a great day when Colin posts.

I can’t wait for the Robin Hood villains retrospective.

@srstriker6420

Жыл бұрын

Yeah the same

@adamsinclair1959

Жыл бұрын

I know right? Three epic villains to talk about, two of whom also have interesting histories outside of Disney.

@christopherwall2121

Жыл бұрын

@@adamsinclair1959 That reminds me, has anyone ever made a version of Sir Guy of Gisbourne in the Disney film's universe?

@KaminoKatie

Жыл бұрын

Robin Hood is my grandma's favorite Disney movie

@calebray1834

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherwall2121 I think Sir Hiss was meant to be him but I’m not sure.

It was really interesting to learn more about the original ideas for the movie.

No one is going to mention how Edgar may have suffocated on his way to Timbuctu?

@sirhenrymorgan1187

Жыл бұрын

The cats also woulda totally died on the way to Timbuktu. So Edgar’s just getting what was coming to him. What goes around and all that…

@rodrigocoockiemonster4460

Жыл бұрын

@@sirhenrymorgan1187 Ah yes Tallion law, eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, 4 cat's lifes for a man's

Awesome video, I actually enjoyed learning about the villains more than the heroes sometimes

Lol, I left the video running as I looked through the comments and heard your lament at the end, lol! 😂 We appreciate you for the work you do, thanks for the video!!

Yooooooo I just finished rewatching all of the prior videos during (and after) my first ever trip to Disney, I watched the Heffalumps/Woozles video THIS MORNING, and now I’m blessed with the next installment?? Cue the dopamine. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻

They literally left their money to the cats over him. Can’t blame him for being pissed

Whomever the villain is, these deep dives always make my day and give me a deeper appreciation for and interest in these stories and their productions. Thank you for the great content and for sharing your passion.

This is one of mu favorite movies! Thanks for making this video

I knew that you included King Leonidas in this video, Colin. I'm happy you did.

As a child, I was OBSESSED with The Aristocats, mainly because the film was never released on VHS for all those years. Indeed, my mother considered my sisters and me too old for Disney by the time it finally was released.

Oh man! I wish they kept the Jekyll and Hyde type Edgar!

Reason why I love this villain: IT'S THE FIRST DISNEY VILLAIN (from the classic movies) THAT DOESN'T JUST START AS "I've always been evil". No, really, how many main disney classics villains can say that? I don't say it doesn't work being evil since the beginning: look at Maleficent or Cruella. For them it works... But why... Can't we have this on characters like... Frollo, like in his book? He starts off as neutral and THEN he turns into an evil person. No, they all either have to be openly villainous since the dawn of times or have to fake to be good to then reveal their true face at the end. Here is actually a bit sad seeing this good ol jolly butler being so friendly with the kittens, then he tries to get rid of them. Why can't we have more like this instead of "Ursula is the bad guy? NO WAY! There were no clues about it, except everything!" (it's an example: Ursula does work well even as an "always been evil" villain)

@andrewmorrice9139

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That's the reason I like Edgar too. He's the villain we could easily become if we make the wrong choices.

@calebray1834

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Right, at first glance he doesn’t seem like a villain by looking at him.

honestly, for me, the fact he's messing with someone's pet(s) is a feat that makes him pretty damn evil in my eyes. You can threaten me, rob me, even try to kill me. But the second you mess with the pet, you make it personal.

I was unaware of the original script and the changes that happened. That Jekyll/Hyde thing would have been very interesting.

Very informative video. I have kind of a soft spot for this movie and I do agree with you about the character of Edgar.

Very And unfortunately fitting That you talk about Bedknobs and broomsticks so close to the passing of Angela Lansbury, RIP 😭☹️😭😭☹️😭

I can't wait for the Prince John video. He's always been one of my favorite villains.

@ProfessorChaos56

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Mine too.

@srstriker6420

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Yeah and the Horned king down the road

@brandonlyon730

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That will definitely be an interesting one considering this be the first time a animated Disney villain is based off a real life historical person, even today a lot of historians debate whether or not the real King John was truly an evil tyrant or just misunderstood from bias history.

@christopherwall2121

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@@brandonlyon730 He DID sign the Magna Carta. AND seemed to do his best to keep England afloat in the face of Richard blowing all the country's money on Crusading. To the point where his coronation was basically a formality, as he'd been running the show for years at that point. Hell, I think you could count the total number of years Richard I actually spent in England on your hands.

@brandonlyon730

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@@christopherwall2121Yeah, there was also the time Richard got himself captured by the Holy Roman Emperor, and his ransom almost bankrupt England when John and his mother had to scrounge up the funds to pay for it.

"I just spent 20 minutes talking about the butler from the Aristocats..." And we thank you for it!

Crazy how much material there actually was to work with about Edgar! I need to go back and watch The Aristocats again, it's been YEARS. I'm pretty sure that the captain villain's voice actor in that rough draft of the proposed sequel was Jeff Bennett instead of Corey Burton.

Another great lookback episode. Looking forward to the robin hppd villains

Ah I’ve been waiting for this

I gotta admit, for a long time in my childhood years, this was one of my favorite Disney Movies. I remember singing along to all the songs as best as I could. While my love for it has waned a lot as I grew older, I still quite like it. As for Edgar...well, he is decidedly average as a Villain, but he serves the purpose of the Story well. Although it is absolutely hilarious how he fails at basic math and logic. XD

I think they're operating on the idea that Edgar is a lower class man, a servant and likely doesn't have much on his own. The man is among the lowest class of citizen, this film came out in the 70s an era where many working class people found themselves struggling to make ends meet. A man of Edgar's age would have to content not just with the cats themselves but, the fact that his own life may not be in the most stable position. The film despite being made in the 70s seems to take place much earlier based on the motorcycle, and carriage we see in the film. Life expectancy wasn't as high as it is now and a man in his late 50s could very reasonably be considered to be in the last days of his life if his health wasn't in the best condition. It is also worth mentioning that this film takes influences from the book The Aristocrats that's where thi9ngs like time period, setting and set dressings come into play.

@andrewmorrice9139

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The film is set in 1910.

This is one of my favourite Disney movies.

Loved it, thanks!

I love this series so much. It gives some of the lesser known or cast aside Disney villains a chance to shine and show what went into the creation of these characters in a very in depth way. I wish the original version of Aristocats was made instead, the version we got isn’t bad but the original had a lot more depth, especially concerning Edgar.

I think I can provide a source for Edgar’s last name being Balthazar. You know that special where Hans Conried plays the Magic Mirror and praises the Disney Villains at the time? I don’t know if I’m misremembering, but I’m certain I heard the Mirror refer to him as Edgar Balthazar there. I don’t know what the original special was titled, but I know this was part of Disney’s Halloween Treat on VHS. If you can find it, maybe give it a look and confirm that. Edit: Never mind, I was mistaken.

@drrichardew7878

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I gave a version of it I found on youtube a look (link below) but I couldn't find any reference of him being called Edgar Balthazar. I hope I found the version you're thinking of. Link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/qJiCldB6ccnNY7Q.html I think the part with Edgar starts at 45 minutes in

@XenothranHero

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@@drrichardew7878 That certainly is the video I was thinking of and alas, it seems I was completely mistaken. Apologies.

I always thought the main thing with Edgar was his pride; I mean, he's probably served Madame for years, have put up with a lot (just watch how the lawyer treats him), and who comes first in her will? The cats. Not her loyal butler, but her cats. It's the principle. Of course he's bitter.

Another fun fact I wanted to point out is back when you mentioned Boris Karloff possibly playing Edgar, a cut version of the song by Thurl Ravenscroft was playing. Boris Karloff with the singing voice of Thurl Ravenscroft, now where have I heard that one before… OH! Yes I remember now! They were together for How the Grinch Stole Christmas, where Karloff played the Narrator and the Grinch while Thurl sang You’re a Mean One, Mr Grinch! Too bad we didn’t get to see that reunion…

Im so excited for the next retrospective! It was the essential favorite for my sister and I (that, and the Sword in the Stone). A pox on that phony king of England!

23:30 - That bit completly cought me of guard but it was hillorious.

As an adult, I think the most interesting part about the Aristocats is Madame's background. Jorge makes it clear that he was her lawyer back when she was a famous prima donna at the opera. In order to become an aristocrat, she would have had to marry one. This crossing of social would have been extremely scandalous at the time and it is clear (given that she has no close friends or family aside from her lawyer) that she and her husband were ostracized from his family and from aristocratic society. Still, she holds no regret or bitterness towards her decision, so we can conclude that they remained happy and in love to the end. I also like to think that Duchess was a gift from her ailing husband to ensure that his wife wouldn't be all alone after he died, but there is no specific evidence for this.

Speaking of Bed Knobs and Broomsticks, I used to watch that film as a kid many times back in the early 90s. I believe it was one of the films my parents really enjoyed when they were younger as they would have been around in their 20s at the time. I enjoyed the Animal Soccer match scene and it was one I would often record myself trying to commentate like a sports game on TV when I was a kid.

Edgar would also made a great reformed villain, who reformed in the face of a greater evil.

I too agree that the final movie’s Edgar is far too sympathetic and pitiful to be seen as a villain. He got shafted by his employer so badly that it’s too relatable to be seen as scummy. I don’t wish for all Disney villains to be morally reprehensible (Long John Silver from Treasure Planet is a good example of a villain with morals), but there’s barely anything to go off of. Why on Earth didn’t they go with the original draft with Elvira? Just looking at the concept art make the films conflict so much more interesting and make Edgar into a more scummy and entertaining villain to root against. The handsome butler vs. The ugly greedy monster side of his personality would’ve made for a fantastic thematic visual, very reminiscent to Cruella’s demonic faces in the climax of 101 Dalmatians. Such a shame it was scrapped. If they ever make a live action remake of The Aristocats I would love to see them take Edgar in that more sinister direction from the concept art alongside Elvira.

"Edgar will inherit our fortune with the condition that he must take good care of our cats" BOOM plot solved, Edgar becomes a wholesome dude who will take good care of the cats because they helped him inherit a good fortune thanks to his hard work with the family

@jaggerguth4391

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Then you don't have a villain...

Aristocats, Robin Hood, and Sword in the Stone are my top 3 Disney movies, ones that I absolutely adore and Robin Hood is at the top of that trio so I'm looking forward to that vid. Also I love the fact that one of the dogs in the Aristocats is also the voice of the Sheriff in Robin Hood...he's done a lot of Disney voices actually now that I think about it...

It was quite a coincidence that you included Bedknobs and Broomsticks with Angela Lansbury.

@forrestdupre87

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RIP Angela Lansbury

@srstriker6420

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@@forrestdupre87 yeah it’s hard to believe that she’s gone 😔

And I just spent 20 minutes happily listening to you talk about the butler from Aristocats 😅

Funnily enough Harry Tytle(One of the creators) had previously worked on a lot of made of TV specials for The Magical World of Disney. Though since they announced a remake with Keith Bunin and William Gluck producing it. Let's hope one of the potential crewmembers of this upcoming movie can take some of these critiques and help improve Edgar's character. Plus it's also coming full circle since the movie in it's early stage as a made for TV film was supposed to be in live action. Plus it's interesting to find out that Bedknobs and Broomsticks has even joined Disney's stage musical productions. And fittingly in the next video, not only are we looking at a precursor Lion King, were also looking at a precursor of a Disney-fied version of a real life person before Pocahontas. Since Prince John and his brother Richard I is based on a real kings that existed in England's history, though this is real people mixed with old English folklore..

I love the Aristocats but that original pitch seems so much cooler imo

How could you leave out the moment during the Aristocats when Edgar said “Its Edgarin time” and then went and Edgared all over the place

@juicebox7372

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Creative

I’m very excited for the next episode on Robin Hood villains

@nicolasfisher4746

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Me too

The Aristocats is my favorite classic Disney movie, underrated in my opinion

Looks like the early sketch of the adorable, fat, fluffy mom kitty was totally used as an inspiration for the cat in The Great Mouse Detective.

this and 101 Dalmations were my two favourite childhood movies.

@srstriker6420

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Yeah and they are nearly similar to each other

@SykoMuffin

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@@srstriker6420 lol true. i just really liked cute animals as a kid X3

@19:24 The villain in that reel is, I believe, Jeff Bennett. He has a certain cadence and gruffness to his delivery. Plus his French accent is very noticeable. You can hear it in the Animaniacs parody of Les Miserables and when he does Lumiere in most post-movie Beauty and the Beast stuff.

Thing is....I know the cats in this movie are kinda anthropomorphic but...it's not like they can talk to humans. They don't have little cat bank accounts. As far as humans go they're just animals so.

Edgar is one of my favourite examples of the famous 'Milt Kahl Head Swaggle'.

You've forgot that King Leonidas shared a parade float with Dumbo and the circus clowns in Mainstreet Electrical Parade where he blows on the whistle that his pendent was swapt with in the parade while he plays the orgon.

Edgar laid the foundation for Lord Dargis, the villain of "Garfield: A Tale of Two Kitties", played by Billy Connoly. Very much like Edgar, only more murderous.

@emperorfrozenbillrulerofan8767

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Billy Connoly was too good an actor for that movie...