Thanks for covering the Cascades. I'm a regular rider, Kelso is my home station... not long ago the Talgo train sets were the standard equipment. They are all old, the ones that are still running do show their age. The Horizon cars put on the Cascades appear to be hand me downs from other parts of the country, and they are also near the end of their service life... the Cascades are overdue for new equipment, it wont' come quickly enough. They have added two more daily round trips recently. It raises the situation that if your train is late, a later departure actually leaves before you. It really confuses the boarding in Portland.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Living in the northeast I am on high alert to see an Airo appear. Very excited.

@trainglen22

5 ай бұрын

Didn't know about the joint service between Portland Oregon and Seattle WA.

@TheJesterboy1969

5 ай бұрын

Not going to lie, I love the talgos.

@Cupertinorail

5 ай бұрын

Cool I’m from Seattle and ride it from time to time when In PDX

@AssBlasster

5 ай бұрын

I've had that happen with a later departure arriving before my 1+ hr late train on the Surfliner...they just let me on with no issues but I was at a no-staff station.

So far I am loving this series, you are very balanced and fair in your opinions.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Yay! Got some Seattle stuff and then the Empire Builder. After that it’s on to new series!

@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401

5 ай бұрын

Not this "specific" episode. Decidedly on the negative side.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 you have selective hearing and it’s annoying.

Horizon cars are your equivalence of "Why do I hear boss music?" 😂And then them teasing you with a Talgo when you arrived at Seattle....that's rough, buddy. You may not have gotten to ride it, but at least the views were wonderful! Besides the Talgo Series 8, they began the Cascades service with the Talgo Series 6, and when they had those, the bistro car had a really cool illuminated map of the corridor on the ceiling! The trainset that crashed on the Point Defiance Bypass was a Series 6. The last surviving Series 6 bistro car was sent to the Northwest Railway Museum in Snoqualmie, WA. Mount Adams is named after John Adams but was called Klickitat, a Chinookan word that means "beyond", by the indigenous. Vancouver, WA and Vancouver, British Columbia are named the same because of British sea captain George Vancouver who explored the region. However Vancouver, WA had the name longer than the Canadian city! Vancouver, Canada was incorporated in 1886, 29 years after the incorporation of Vancouver, WA, and the Canadian city was named such over six decades after the Washington settlement (which referenced Fort Vancouver) too! The Columbia River is named such because the private American ship, the Columbia Rediviva under Captain John Gray from Boston, became the first non-indigenous vessel to enter the river in May 1792.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Being the OG Vancouver, now that’s a flex! Now if only the people there could be as pro-transit as the Canadian Vancouver… I would love to see the illuminated ceiling, that sounds epic.

@ayindestevens6152

5 ай бұрын

Avery your knowledge impresses me!

@serria864

Ай бұрын

To expand on this some, mostly to add additional context, when the series 6 crash happened the entire series set was taken out of service, and subsequently scrapped. Mind you at the time this was a whole PR disaster since that was the very first run of the bypass, and a whole stink came up about crew training for it and the turn into the bridge it derailed off of and a bunch of other stuff. It was initially hoped that we'd just replace two of the sixes with some sets of i believe updated series 8's earmarked for a Wisconsin run, similar to the cascades, which turned into i believe the borealis route. For whatever reason this never came to pass, and we actually had them replaced with a gaggle of amfleet1's or 2's, then replaced with horizons, which when having used the Talgos all my life was an interesting change of pace. Now the Cascades route is slated to get the first batch of airo's, which should really improve the cascades service overall. Weirdly enough i was actually almost on that train that wrecked due to almost missing the train the night before just before they 'decommissioned' the station just down the hill from the current Tacoma one. Thankfully between the airo's, the continued work on the link expansion, and some of the captial funding from that infrastructure bill actually hitting amtrak, the Seattle area is actually gaining some ground on usable public transport. now if only we can get some more regular buses in some spots...

Amtrak Cascades is definitely outside its glory years... Back when the Talgo 8's were being pulled along the Puget Sound by F40PH's and F59PHI's. Now, you mostly see them being pulled by an SC-44 and an F40PH cab car with 3-4 Horizon cars, and rarely a Talgo set. For how beautiful the line is, it definitely needs more attention than what Amtrak is offering... I have had the privilage of riding the Talgo sets. Once when I was about 10, and now as recently as September of last year. They're amazing trains to ride on, and ride well despite the trackage being a bit rough along the route. On my way back from Seattle on my most recent trip, however, we got a 4 car Horizon train that was packed full of people. My parents and I were unlucky enough to get a car that seemed to have very worn (or possibly broken) suspension components on one of the bogeys, which was so bad it threw people out of their seats if we went over a junction at speed... I'm really hoping the new trainsets become more of a commonality for the Cascades, as the service is suffering from hand-me-down, old pieces of equipment that turn a beautiful route into a rollercoaster

Kelso, WA was founded by Peter W. Crawford. Crawford platted a townsite in 1884 which he named after his hometown of Kelso in the Scottish Borders area of Scotland. The trainset that crashed in 2017 was originally built to operate between Las Vegas and Los Angeles but was renamed to the Mount Adams after the State of Washington purchased it. Mount Rainier was named after Admiral Peter Rainier by George Vancouver. Although Rainier had been considered the official name of the mountain, Theodore Winthrop referred to the mountain as "Tacoma" in 1862, referring to an Anglicized version of a word for the volcano in Puget Sound Salish. So the city of Tacoma is named after the volcano! The term scientists give to volcanoes that are dangerously close to densely populated areas are Decade Volcanoes. Besides Mount Rainier, other volcanoes identified as Decade Volcanoes include Etna on Sicily because of Catania, Mount Vesuvius because of Naples, Taal in the Philippines because of Metro Manila, Galeras in Colombia, Mount Merapi on the Indonesian island of Java, Sakurajima in Kagoshima, Teide on the Canary Island of Tenerife, Mount Nyiragongo because of Goma in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Santa María because of Quetzaltenango in Guatemala, Mount Unzen in Kyushu, Santorini in Greece, and Hawaii's Mauna Loa.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Growing up in Tokyo my friends and I would always psych each other out wondering when Mt. Fuji would erupt

@dianethulin1700

5 ай бұрын

Yea I remember when Mt. St. Helen’s erupted. My brother lived in Kelso for about ten years and it was nice learning some history. Thanks!

@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401

5 ай бұрын

Thank you for that fascinating information. I really enjoyed it.

I appreciate your sharing thoughts & experience on Amtrak Cascade trip with us. It brought back memories of the numerous times traveling that route in the past. 😊

There’s a plan for Cascadia high speed rail that recently got some federal funding and will (hopefully) start construction not too far in the future, and according to its website and various sources it’ll run at top speeds of 400km/h

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I’m not holding my breath yet but all the federal funding all these projects have received is very encouraging! We’re slowly headed in the right direction.

@Cupertinorail

5 ай бұрын

@@Thom-TRAgood point because funding for high speed rail in the US is very hard to achieve

@mrvwbug4423

5 ай бұрын

I hope so, but the future of rail in the US depends 100% on the outcome of this years election. If he who shall not be named wins, Amtrak will likely cease to exist by the end of the decade. The pachyderm party has been trying to get rid of Amtrak since the 80s.

@MarioFanGamer659

5 ай бұрын

400 km/h on regular steel-on-steel operation is... ambitious, tbh. It's more likely that the tracks will be build to a theoretical 400 km/h operation (since HSL are generally build to speeds higher than for regular operation) and I see 320 - 350 km/h in regular operations more realistic.

don't know why or how i ended finding this video, but i found it very entertaining, keep it up!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I’m glad you found it! Feel free to stick around, this is kinda what I do

I really like the research you do and the eloquent delivery of that information. I don't know why I didn't find your channel sooner, keep up the good work.

I enjoy the history you include of the area you’re traveling through. Pros and cons you provide add credibility to your review, nice job.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

The history helps understand the context, in my opinion!

I, too, was Talgo-blocked on my ride back to Portland from Seattle in September. We were on board the lovely Talgo ready to head south, but the Positive Train Control software refused to boot up properly, so after an hour, they decided to put us on coach buses. We hit I-5 southbound right at rush hour!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Talgo blocked, love that term

Horizon cars are the only cars in the traditional Amtrak fleet that were funded by private equity. I have a weird nostalgia for them. When I was a kid in the mid 90s, my mom and I would ride them on the Hiawatha when we would travel from VA to Milwaukee to see my grandma. They always seemed to have flat wheels in my memory

The history of the cascades service is certainly very interesting Thank you for sharing it. The history of Amtrak is very interesting also.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I find almost all history to be very interesting to be honest!

Wow, Mount Rainier is quite spectacular isn't it; nothing like a volcano to keep things interesting! If we take the continued reduction of wheels past the Jacobs bogie and extrapolate further, pretty soon half the cars will have no wheels at all! Oh...right, that's already happening in London with the new tube trains. Too bad we couldn't have seen the Talgo, but looking forward to your next video as always.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

And maybe someday we’ll get rid of the wheels altogether and we’ll just have floating trains…

Hi, yes, I'd wish I could catch the Talgo some day on the Amtrak Cascades routes; You got a nice view of Mount Rainier; Too bad that due to Point Defiance Bypass, the trains do not run alongside the Puget Sound anymore; Yes, the Horizon Cars are not a Prison Train 😅

I rode Cascadés a few times, they are in the category of special routes for Amtrak. These are short distance trains without sleeping accommodations. Cascades is also paid for by the states of WA and OR. You should know Hiawatha is sponsored by some state governments too. It’s longer than other locally sponsored Amtrak routes. Last trip 2019. Btw I was born in Seattle

If you ever want to know what equipment a train runs, call the main 1-800 number and ask. Most of the time, they'll be able to tell you.

Oh what a bummer you didn't get to ride the Talgo. I had that experience in 1995 from Seattle to Vancouver BC and thoroughly enjoyed it. Earlier today I checked out your coverage of Seattle Light Rail, the Streetcar Routes and, last evening, the Monorail. Seattle has changed quite a bit over the last 30 years (as may be expected of any city) but I was curious as to what happened to the Waterfront Streetcar that ran ex-Melbourne W2 cars and discovered that it closed back in November 2005 as the Maintenance Depot was demolished to make way for something else.I see Davion West has made a trip from Seattle to Vancouver BC with a Talgo set so I'll check out that video next. I look forward to viewing your coverage of The Empire Builder ( I travelled on that back in 1989 from Seattle to Essex Montana and stayed a couple of nights at the famous Izaak Walton Inn.🙂🙂🙂

I learned so much thank you what a cool channel. I will try to drink less today. Trains are so fun!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Good for you!

Looking forward to your adventures in Seattle! (My former home.)

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

We loved Seattle! It was our first time

Hey, Thom! Thank you and Lindsey for your awesome and interesting videos! It is sad you didn't ride Talgo train. They say wheel knocking sound is a bit confusing because you can hear only two wheels per a car instead of traditional rhythm of four axels per a car. You didn't mention a cool feature of Talgo trains and boogies: Talgo have a patented option of fast gauge width changing, which is used in some countries. This is almost absolutely reliable feature because it is based only on mechanics and couple sensors, which is used for security checks.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I knew about the gauge changing, but didn’t mention it since the feature isn’t used in this scenario and I only had so much footage to put under my narration! But I’d like to try it out in Spain someday.

In reference to disappointing experience, my dad and I rode the NYC subway in the seventies. Reading the subway map, I was hoping to see and ride on the then currently new rolling stock on the BMT. We found out the railcars were older, unkempt and full of ‘funky’ folk. It was East New York in the mid-to-late 1970’s, so that’s the way it was- old ‘n funky. So glad we made it out alive!

About the Talgo, you should ride the one between Geneve and Barcelone, which use variable gauge axles. If you are in this area, use the Train Jaune near Perpignan between Villefranche-de-Conflent and Latour de Carol. Best would be during winter. Also at Latour de Carol you will have a train station with three different gauges.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

The Genève-Barcelona TrenHotel has not run for several years

@GabrielsReviews

4 ай бұрын

@@Thom-TRA Not since C**** I'm lead to believe.

When I worked in Vancouver I always wanted to take the train to Seattle BUT Amtrak's exclusive operation of the service thanks to USA cabotage rules preventing Canadian operators into Passenger rail meant the train at 1xdaily just didn't compete with Coach or flight options. In the end I took Greyhound a lot. Given such a large urbanised region in Southern BC and Puget Sound you would think a decent regional rail network could be developed even if it meant changing on the border like the old Standard gauge to Iberian gauge changes between France and Spain.

Another excellent podcast. I always appreciate the tutorial. I have not made up my mind about spending a day in Portland. I liked seeing the station and learning about how it works there. I don’t blame you for being disappointed! Oh well!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Portland is worth spending a day! Especially if you’re interested in public transportation. They have the deepest train station in the US.

@dianethulin1700

5 ай бұрын

@@Thom-TRA I loved that image of you from a previous video with the Coast Starlight on one side and the Empire Builder on the other. The Cascade service does give flexibility in terms of traveling onto Seattle. I’m buying my rail pass next week and am thinking of tacking Portland on. Your perspective is helpful! 👍

Hope you're able to travel to Vancouver, BC, from Seattle. Gorgeous route mostly along the Salish Sea! After moving to Seattle, I took my first Cascades trip to Vancouver, back in 2007, and it was aboard a Superliner-! They were filling in for the Talgos. I thought it was the standard equipment. When my next trip was a Talgo, I was *very* impressed! So European. A shame that they are being replaced.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Thankfully they are being replaced by even more modern, European inspired equipment

I did get a Talgo set thanks to a live rail cam that had tracked my train going up north the night before. Those sets are really fun

@Thom-TRA

14 күн бұрын

You’re smart!

I'm so sad you were on the east side of the train. The water-side views on the west side of the train from Olympia to Tacoma are 💯💯💯. When I rode the Cascades years ago there were deer chillaxing on the beach and orcas breaching in Puget Sound.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

The mountains are on the east side though. And it doesn’t go past the sound anymore since the bypass opened.

@caratramontano2910

5 ай бұрын

@@Thom-TRAGood to know! Then I am not a fan of the bypass, because that beach view next to the train was sooooo nice.

@michaelkiesling8148

5 ай бұрын

With the Point Defiance Bypass, the Cascades don't run along the shore of the Sound anymore.

I enjoyed this one too--- good information about the Talgo and the Cascade line. I had a similar disappointment with this route myself: journey from Seattle to Vancouver BC was halted at Bellingham WA because of track work on the Canadian side; so we were bussed the rest of the way to Vancouver. But at least the ride along Puget Sound was really spectacular. The dining car was also very nice. We were on our way up to Alaska, and had the chance to take both the White Pass and Yukon RR out of Skagway and the Alaska RR from Anchorage to Denali NP. Both spectacular.

Thanks for sharing and the explanation about the Talgo equipment. That stinks you didn't get to ride it. I wholeheartedly agree about the Horizon equipment. It's commuter-rail Comet cousins are the standard equipment on the surpringsily unlectrified Metro-North Upper Hudson Line. I can remember the ride quality being just as bad as those Comets and the lights being those same harsh flourescent bulbs beating down on you particularly at night. Sounds like the Airo's will be a big upgrade indeed.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

The airos will be state of the art

@brianhubert8418

5 ай бұрын

@@Thom-TRA I'm so looking forward to it. Let's hope Siemens and Amtrak can avoid the whole Alstom/Avelia mess.

Excellent video though mate, shame you didn't get the bone shakers but you'll definitely have to go back soon 😀

They phoned you? That seems pretty decent service. Certainly in the UK they'd never bother to tell you even if it was canceled altogether until you turned up at the station 🏤

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Yep, robot lady voice at 7:00 AM

@AssBlasster

5 ай бұрын

Amtrak has great service like this. I got a call from a person at 8 am that my 5 pm train from Seattle was delayed 5 hrs and made it very convenient to plan out the day better.

Hi Thom and Lyndsey, love your videos keep up the epic work.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Thank you

That seems like another one of those nice train trips. If I ever do that same one, I’m not sure if I’ll get the talgo rail cars but by the time I could I’m sure I’ll be able to ride in the new ones that would have those alc 42 like cab cars which I’d be happy with once they enter service.

The Horizon cars are definitely pretty bland and dated rolling stock for Amtrak, and the Cascades service is basically in a state of transition until the Airo trainsets are delivered. I believe Cascades is going to be one of the first services to get the new trainsets in like 2026 or 27 (as scheduled but we'll see). Cascades has solidified itself as a vital service for the region and more RTs have been added recently, so Amtrak is basically using whatever equipment they can get their hands on for now. It's still a wonderful service, arguably one of the best and most reliable corridors in the country, and it has a really great future ahead of it.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I hope they order a lot for the cascades to build a robust, hourly service

Very interesting, thanks for sharing

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

You’re welcome!

Amazing like always Thom! I do still miss the talgo 6’s

Honestly the livery is so sweet.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

It’s so different from everything else

I remember taking this with the NRHS back in June 2023

I don’t blame you for being disappointed. You did your research and did everything you could to try to ride a specific train so the disappointment is valid. I hope that you can return and ride the Talgo. I’m personally sorry that Amtrak operates the way it does and have also experienced disappointment and frustration with Amtrak as well. All that being said, Trains are still awesome and so are your videos!!!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

That’s right, trains are still awesome! And this was only a minor disappointment

New to your videos. I think trains are awesome too! Appreciated the little History lecturettes. Nice add.

@Thom-TRA

4 ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback. Welcome to the crew!

Love the channel. Stuff happens. Safety is most important. We’ll come along and enjoy the videos no matter what.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I felt bad for the engineer who got sick

@jeesmith99

5 ай бұрын

My dad was a freight conductor. I couldn’t imagine an engineer alone in the cab, sick, with no one to help. Hope he gets well soon too.

So exited for this one!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Hope it’s worth the wait!

Thomas, Happy New Year to you and Lindsay both, I agree, Amtrak needs to get their act together!!!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Happy new year to you too!

@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401

5 ай бұрын

What have you done to support your suggestion? Called your Congressman recently?

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 literally work in DC. What have you done?

I didn’t realize the Talgos were not the dominant train sets of the Cascades line. I haven’t taken them that often but when I did it was a Talgo. I’d be cranky too if I was expecting a Talgo and got a crappy Horizon train. I wish someone could find vintage or antique photos of Portland’s Union Station interiors. Photos that show the victorian interior instead of the unfortunate 1915 era make over.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I used to ride the Pere Marquette a lot. Usually they would use super liners. One day, in 2019, it was a Horizon consist. I learned very quickly which train I prefer…

We are also train enthusiasts and we rode the Cascade line just this past week from Vancouver, WA to Seattle, WA and we also had a negative experience. Our train had equipment failures that resulted in the entire luggage car being left behind at the rail yard last minute, so all passengers had to bring their own luggage aboard the train themselves and find spots in the overhead instead of checking them. It was mayhem, unfortunately. There wasn't any guidance for customers on open seating in the fully packed route and our windows were very small. It was like a plane trip.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

That’s the first time I’ve heard of issues on a luggage car! Sorry to hear about your experience

Thank you very much for this fascinating video. A great shame you were unable to ride the Talgo cars, as I have found them very comfortable, and nice to ride in. As you say, the Horizon cars are now showing their age, and the replacements cannot come soon enough ! A very happy new year to you both.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

That F40 in Cascades colors certainly looks good though!

@anthonywarrener1881

5 ай бұрын

@@Thom-TRA Yes it does ! The Cabbage cars have many varied liveries, and I particularly like the ones in veterans livery now based in Chicago.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

@@anthonywarrener1881 sadly the veterans cabbage isn’t working on the Hiawatha anymore

Love the locomotive

At least you got to ride the Cascades. It was shut down for several years beginning with the recent Great Inconvenience. As someone else already said, it's an extremely scenid route north of Seattle, and the trip to Bellingham is cheap and beautiful.

I enjoyed the video👍👍

The Amtrak cascades goes on the ex Burlington northern Seattle sub

Nice another good video i like what you said in the beginning trains are the best way to travel

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

Great video Thom ashame you could not ride the Talgo train hopefully you will l always enjoy your prospective.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Appreciate it!

Great video

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Thanks!

Happy New Year Thom. I’m sorry you’re first attempt riding Amtraks Cascades resulted in the consist utilizing those old worn out horizon cars instead of the usual Talgo series 8. I hope if you attempt to ride the Cascades again, it will be on a set of series 8 Talgo cars. Everyone needs to take advantage of those Talgos before there retired and replaced by those Siemens Aerio sets with an NPCU Charger at the other end of the set. However for this trip Amtrak should have used Siemens Venture cars instead.

"The american Railjet". YES, THANK YOU Thom for pointing it out!! I heard almost everything said about these trainsets, yet, almost nobody was able to pin down their origin so accurate! Also, I like your diverse point of view. It makes your videos entertaining and educational. Keep it pls.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

A Siemens push-pull set. Aka yankee railjet.

@mrvwbug4423

5 ай бұрын

@@Thom-TRA Being pulled by essentially a Diesel Vectron. I do wonder if NEC Airo trains will use the ACS-64s instead, since kinda pointless to couple a Charger to a consist that's going to spend its life on 100% electrified line. The dual mode Airo trainsets will be great for mixed corridors like Empire and Keystone though.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

@@mrvwbug4423 the point of the airo is to extend them to Virginia. Once the new long bridge is built, Amtrak Virginia service will be hugely expanded. I think every Northeast Regional will continue beyond DC at that point.

@mrvwbug4423

5 ай бұрын

@@Thom-TRA Having Acela level service from Boston to Florida would be the dream

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

@@mrvwbug4423 Boston to Atlanta seems very likely at this point! Since they want to upgrade DC-Charlotte and build HSR from Charlotte to Atlanta.

Thom, don't be upset, you'll be lucky next time😉!!! I understand how unpleasant it is to plan for a long time and then not only get it, but also the train arrived with a huge delay... In my native country, even if someone from the staff gets sick, there will be definitely someone who replace the sick person, immediately. But this is in railway and in metro systems, but many other transport companies with the staff shortage, could just cancel the bus or tram run. The toilet in the train car is similar to the ones we used to have in all long-distance trains. But waste was dumped directly onto the rails... Now there are still such trains, but they are already a minority. And I saw taps with a similar dispenser on the railways of the Czech Republic, Bulgaria and Serbia. The seats are wider than ours... Generally, similar seated cars are very rare in post-soviet countries, it is more often for intercity express services - electric multiple unit trains with the same seats arrangement.

I was thinking that you will use the Cascade Tunnel which has a door used to force air circulation after a diesel train pass inside the Cascade Tunnel which longest train tunnel in the US, about 8 miles long. I believe that when inside the tunnel, the train operator has to wear a gas mask like fireman or scubadiver use.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

That tunnel is on the Empire Builder route! I will share that video in a few weeks.

The Vancouver BC, Canada to Mount Vernon portion is the best view along the Cascades, but it runs very slowly and only 2 daily round trips daily. I'd still highly recommend it!

@Thom-TRA

2 ай бұрын

I’d love to someday! I’ve never been to Vancouver

Happy New Year Thom. I hate to see your first attempt riding the Amtrak Cascades wasn’t aboard the Talgo 8 series. Now if Amtrak were to think of a better improvement if they couldn’t utilize a Talgo 8 series, they could use Siemens Venture Cars instead.

We took one of the last trains before the ill-fated first run of the Point Defiance bypass in 2017. We rode from Kelso to Tacoma and back on Friday. The accident happened Monday. I wanted to make a final trip along Commencement Bay and we did that. We also toured the Glass Museum while in Tacoma.

@Thom-TRA

4 ай бұрын

Very glad you are safe!

Good report.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Thanks!

I've ridden on Cascades many times and yr experience was par for the course. The Oregon funded portion has dismal performance to say the least. While the Pt Defiance cutoff saves time, its also cut the most scenic part of the route south of Seattle. Cascades north of Seattle to Vancouver BC is probably one of the most scenic stretches of passenger rail in North America. Rolling stock predictability is really shaky, a couple of times I took Superliner coaches to BC and back (and only 2 coaches and a cafe at that) Crossing the border takes time. Almost all of my cascade trips makes me wonder if the thruway bus would have beat it. The summertime clientele seems to be mostly made up of cruise line passengers not on a tight schedule. The two remaining Talgo sets are in ok shape though, they bought them off Wisconsin for the failed Hiawatha line. If/When you get to retry spring for the business class tix, access to the Metropolitan Lounge is kinda worth it. I would have waited for the Talgo, even to the point of staying at one of the finest hostels in the world another night.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I loved the Puget Sound views we saw from the Empire Builder. We even saw some porpoises!

I live in Kelso and my apartment I live in is a block from the tracks. My place shakes like a mini earthquake when the trains go by. Someday, I will take a ride from the Kelso station to ??? wherever.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Maybe take it across the country!

As someone who lives in the northwest and rides the cascades regularly, you got quite the short end of the stick here. If I had gone all the way across the country, I too would have been disappointed to end up on a horizon due to a last minute equipment change. It’s a relatively rare occurrence, only happens maybe once or twice a month. Hopefully better luck next time!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I was like “this is Chicago but nicer scenery” lol

happy new years

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

You too!

I don't suppose the issue with the train crew (a phrase very familiar to rail passengers in the UK 😄) could have been foreseeable, and the conductor sounded quite a cheery soul

As a person who lives in the surrounding area I can’t wait until Lynnwood station opens. I never drive into Seattle anymore, it’s either the commuter bus or link. So much more convenient and cheaper.

@Thom-TRA

6 күн бұрын

Transit for the win

@moira329

6 күн бұрын

@@Thom-TRA you should next time when you’re in the area start up north from Everett or Marysville and take the commuter bus, depending on the time of day it either does into Downtown or drops off at Northgate. It’s actually very relaxing. I also use to work in Bellevue, so I’ve done the East Side out of Lynnwood.

@Thom-TRA

6 күн бұрын

@@moira329 I’ve ridden a few of the commuter buses

Nice video 👋

I guess I was lucky (?) to have been on Talgo equipment the two times I rode the Cascade line. (Still arguably the ugliest locomotive.) The Cascade cafe car menu is pretty nice; it would be great if every regional train had fun regional food options. Even the beer, wine, and whiskey is regional on the Cascade.

Talgo sets are currently running only on Trains 516/519 daily and every other day on 503/518 (Day A) and 517/506 (Day B)! Hope that helps for future rides. All of our Horizons have seats that are new and refurbished so definitely too much hate on us for that :)

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Nah, I’m from Chicago, I ride them regularly. The new seats are the ones that are uncomfortable.

Practically medieval accommodations. That said, unless the business model for Amtrak improves, I don’t see things changing. Thanks for your delightful content, and Happy New Year!

@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401

5 ай бұрын

How patronizing! Support train travel positively, and those who sit on their hands in Washington will be forced to take greater action to maintain the greatest travel opportunities in this country, that should be available and affordable for all citizens...not just marketing opportunities!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

@@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401 you want a better Amtrak, yet you refuse to let anybody criticize them.

I really empathize with you on this one. In March, 2017, after taking the Empire Builder from Chicago to Portland and spending a few days there, I was supposed to take a Cascades for the same reason as you, but all trains were cancelled due to the potential for landslides along the route, so bustitution it was. I missed out on the Talgos and seeing the more scenic (but more landslide prone) Point Defiance route before Cascades service was rerouted to the soon to be ill fated bypass. Like you being taunted with the Talgos at King St Station, my bus plodded up I-5 along the newly completed but not yet in service Point Defiance Bypass, the only portion of the route in which I had no interest. I haven't had a chance to return to the PNW since.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Oof, that’s even rougher than our experience!

LOL. You should have a ridden the next Talgo back to Portland.

Life never misses a chance to be disappointing.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Need to talk to someone?

Thanks

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for your generosity!

You read about these 'equipment swaps'with aeroplanes a lot especially by those who book Business/First Class.Say you were flying from JFK to LAX you might spot an international configuration being used which obviously would give lie flat seats instead of the internal US First which is more akin to international Premium Economy.You would be most let down if you had taken the trouble to research when the nicer aircraft would be used only to have it swapped for an internal US one!Of course if, like me, you are in steerage it doesn't make much difference!

Grr I really enjoyed my Talgo ride on my first visit to Seattle. Shame you didn’t get one on this occasion. Maybe you should visit Spain, I think they have some in Romania too.

@Thom-TRA

Ай бұрын

Next year they will be running between Amsterdam and Berlin as well

Hey people, lets get this video to 1000 likes we only need 8 more!

@Thom-TRA

Ай бұрын

Let’s do it!

Wonder what's going on with the Talgos. Last time I took Cascades, it was almost always a Talgo, but when it wasn't, it was a rail replacement bus.

Nice video. Too bad you had such a delay and equipment change.

I did ride on the Cascades Talgo cars a few years ago, and it was honestly not my favorite. The seats were both narrow and hard, which made for a rather uncomfortable ride. The scenery is gorgeous, though--regardless of what train cars you are in.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I just wanted to ride them to cross them off my list!

Always love your videos, especially when Lindsey is in them. Thanks to KZreadrs such as yourself and others I have started taking overnight trains and have loved every minute of it. I took the Empire Builder from Chicago to Seattle last February, and will be going all the way from New York to Seattle at the end of this month. I also took the Caledonian Sleeper for 11 hours from Inverness to London. Thanks again for piquing my interest in rail travel.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

This comment brightened my day! I’d love to hear how your Caledonian sleeper trip was

@damascus6478

5 ай бұрын

Best sleep I ever had. I was out 15 minutes after leaving Inverness and didn't get up until the alarm went for breakfast. Which is a better night's sleep than I get at home.

It just occurred to me, if you come back and fail again, just book several tickets from King Street to Tukwila. They’re like $7 each. Then show up and cancel if any are not Talgos. It’s a short ride but it’d give you at least one chance to ride them

@Thom-TRA

2 ай бұрын

That's a good idea

Great video, Thom. Your casual positivity remains inspirational to me when it comes to producing my own travel videos. I'm interested to ride the Talgos too, but I'd take the Horizon/Amfleet seats over how I saw the Talgo seats depicted in Lonestar Trip Reports' Cascades video.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I liked your new orange line vid! One of my favorite L lines

I never rode the Pioneer because it died very quickly resulting in Wyoming losing Amtrak service

@sarahhearn-vonfoerster7401

5 ай бұрын

I was on the last Pioneer route, unknowingly. They made the journey memorable, with a guide constantly relating historical events as we traveled across that gorgeous vastness for the last time.

I rode this train in February and I agree it’s a poor relation to the other Amtrak trains. It was a means to an end and certainly knocks Greyhound out of the park but it could be a nicer overall experience. In Europe I can book and choose my exact seat. On this train, like all Amtrak, I have to queue up for ages then hope a window seat is free. I think it’s not helped by taking the less scenic route though I can see why they switched for time purposes.

That hole in the ground toilet and the sink that spills water everywhere is really something.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

It belongs in a museum really

@AndreiTupolev

5 ай бұрын

It was the norm everywhere until the 1990s at least

Pretty sure Pioneer runs between Seattle and Salt Lake City. Further on to Chicago required train change. Also, I think they are keeping Talgo 8s for a bit and replacing Horizon first, but I could be wrong.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Pioneer doesn’t exist anymore, but it did run from Chicago to Seattle. It was attached to the California Zephyr.

@dianethulin1700

5 ай бұрын

My grandmother was born in Evanston Wyoming and my father was born in Ogden Utah. This line has been long gone; much to our chagrin. My sister travels by train from Seattle to Utah to visit family and that would be perfect! Plus the train station in Ogden is still gorgeous

@erik_griswold

5 ай бұрын

I rode the last Pioneer out of Seattle. It was May 10th, 1997.

When i rode the Missouri River Runner to St Louis in 2022 most of the consist was Amtrak horizon cars with one amfleet cafe car. half way to st Louis the horizon car i was in lost its air conditioning and it got very hot pretty quick so that was unfortunate + the train had to stop at the nearest signal because Union Pacific had to reboot there computer system in there headquarters in Omaha to work the signals. I eventually made it to st Louis and wasnt that happy but it was much better on the the train heading back towards kansas city.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

The car became a regular old toaster oven at that point

the lady sitting behind you at the station when you said "it's gonna be 2 hours" 🤣

@Thom-TRA

3 ай бұрын

We were all feeling it haha

I guess you'll just have to come back to try for the Talgo trains.

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

I guess so!

I really appreciate the cascade service existing it's honestly a nice way to get too and from Seattle and Portland it just feels like it's so close to being a great service but yet at thr same time misses that goal by quite a bit. I feel because the service does relatively okay for itself even with pretty bad old train cars and not having it's own right of way they kinda just forget about or keep procrastinating on actually improving yhe service much. Like heck last funding run we didn't even get the funding needed to actually do any of the improvements that had been thought about i think only the funding to to research in to high speed rail had been approved. Idk i don't mean to be negative i honestly really appreciate the service and hse it often but yeah with a few changes it could probably be both more profitable as well as more reliable

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

It’s true. It has good bones but still doesn’t feel like the best alternative to driving.

@nyxie_wolf

5 ай бұрын

I really hope some day Amtrak can get the right of way for the area like they have on the east coast corridor. Because honestly even that could mean the tracks get better maintenance and passenger trains would have more favorable time tables

Yeah, not surprised. There aren't too many Amtrak trains that work. The Zephyr, the Empire Builder and maybe the Chief. At least there's a RFP for new cars in the next 15 years

Two Vancouvers both with the same origin. 54’40” or bust!

I truly appreciate your honesty. Keep going and continued safe travels!

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Thank you! I’ve already gone out and filmed 3 videos in 2024 😅

Engineers are based out of Portland. The reason why the engineer was unavailable, was due to crew availability. Currently Portland’s engineer extra board is extremely short.

@Thom-TRA

3 ай бұрын

Well the rest of the crew still had to come from Eugene since that’s where the train originated

A shame you and Lindsey could not drive the Talgo train. As a former physics teacher i must congratulate you for the excellent explanation of the bogies and Talgo system. I hope you two can drive the Talgo train in the near future. Groeten, Ralf

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Wow, goedgekeurd door een natuurkundedocent! Dat is nog eens een compliment

I can't figure why a large station like Seattle King Street serves the Cascades, Empire Builder and Sounder commuter trains but does not include a live cafe or coffee shop?

@Thom-TRA

5 ай бұрын

Probably because so few trains use it

I hate how Wash/Oregon don't run any day routes out to Spokane besides the Empire Builder. I would have to leave Spokane at 330 am to go west. They disappoint people out east too!