A Conspiracy of Silence, Qld's frontier killing times - Timothy Bottoms

This is first systematic account of frontier violence in Queensland, Australia. Following in the tracks of the pastoralists as they moved into 'new' lands across the colony in the 19th Century, Dr Timothy Bottoms identifies massacres, poisonings and other incidents, including many that no-one has documented before.

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  • @sophrapsune
    @sophrapsuneАй бұрын

    This is an incredibly valuable history, recording some of the horrors and inhumanity of squatter expansion. “Dispersion” operations were effectively a euphemism for attempted genocide on the part of frontier perpetrators. However, the very fact that it was kept “silent” and the appalled reaction outside of the frontier, shows that it was not regarded as a politically, socially or morally acceptable policy. It is evident that both sides of this undeclared frontier war between squatters and Aboriginal people conducted themselves with savagery, but the Europeans had far more effective technology to achieve their ends. The very limited criminal prosecution of these massacres shows how the Crown’s rule of law effectively did not exist on the frontier.

  • @billkumul2899
    @billkumul28992 жыл бұрын

    This history needs to be told thanks

  • @nkelly.9
    @nkelly.98 ай бұрын

    Thank you for posting this Tim. The shameful, true story of Australia needs to be shouted from the roof tops. It is difficult not to be overwhelmed and this occurred right across the continent. The recent referendum result reveals a similar ruthless zeal among 60% of the population

  • @ronbernardi

    @ronbernardi

    8 ай бұрын

    Are you guilty of the past crimes? Do you want repatriation? The indigenous alive today are doing fine. Carrying perpetual victim statious isn't. You can of course give all your property to any Indigenous after all it always was always will be abroginal land. You aren't welcome here.

  • @lloydwegener3956

    @lloydwegener3956

    8 ай бұрын

    60% of the population know the truth , not all the bullshit told in that post which over stated the number of aborignals killed and the number of massacres. Please remember or learn that aborignals massacred white families too women and young children . So get off your "high horse " and learn the actual proven facts ,although I think the truth for someone like you is not what you want to hear

  • @sophrapsune

    @sophrapsune

    Ай бұрын

    Your assertion that a No vote is equivalent to murdering entire families and tribes is absurdly wrong. Your sort of absurd zealotry is exactly why our polity is incapable of having a sensible conversation about what this history means for Australians today.

  • @nkelly.9

    @nkelly.9

    Ай бұрын

    @@sophrapsune You keep telling yourself that champ. You obviously haven't mixed with a broad range of Australians. Your are zealous yourself with your attempt to counter my comment. You obviously aren't in tune to the irrational hostility many Australians harbour towards our indigenous peoples. If we had the policing and the almost no forensic examinations of the 1880's the murders would still be going on. And if you think the No side offered any sensible conversation I have a bridge you might be interested in buying. If you think that those that call looking at this history a "black armband" approach, or those that say "just move on" offer any sensible conversation that bridge is still for sale. It all needs to be called out and taught in history, written about, documented ,made in to films , shouted from the rooftops, and the wars recognised on Anzac day, because it is our history If ya don't know, vote no. pfft.

  • @sophrapsune

    @sophrapsune

    Ай бұрын

    @@nkelly.9 Yes couldn’t convince 60% of reasonable people, yes lost, you’re incredibly bitter, now you’re absurdly comparing the referendum to massacres 150 years ago. The end.

  • @SuperJack1953
    @SuperJack19532 жыл бұрын

    Can you imagine teaching the truth to our children about our history? It is no wonder we hide it.

  • @lloydwegener3956

    @lloydwegener3956

    8 ай бұрын

    Teach the truth and not all this bullshit that you people spread and may be we will become 1 people in 1 nation not 2 separate groups then maybe reconciliation can be achieved and not before

  • @selwyn500
    @selwyn500 Жыл бұрын

    The horrors of the massacres that happened, are something that still dwells inside us because it didn't happen in a dim and distant past, we had great great grandparents who were caught up in these times.

  • @zaneblack1132

    @zaneblack1132

    9 ай бұрын

    😂

  • @kathysangel56

    @kathysangel56

    8 ай бұрын

    Yes many life's lost on both sides tribes fought against each other,and they also attacked the settlers and murdered them, He was a pastor,and his family and children 9 slaughtered by aboriginal tribes

  • @lloydwegener3956

    @lloydwegener3956

    8 ай бұрын

    What about the massacres of white family's you people never mention this also the numbers massacred of your people are highly inflated . One story says 2 troopers killed 20 blacks then burnt their bodies so that there was no evidence ,, A how could 2 troopers kill 20 ,the amount of wood to burn 20 bodies would be about 40 tons ??how could 2 men collect 40 tons of wood there where timber was scarce and all in 1 day and night ??? They would have had to collect wood from thousands of acres to find that much fallen timber . get real and honest and stop crying poor black feller me ,buckle down and sort out the aborignal problems your self ,get off your asses and do something instead of blaming whites for your problems ,most of which you cause yourselves .living in the middle of nowhere and drinking alcohol then complaining about every thing like no jobs no medical bad housing

  • @raymondparnell439

    @raymondparnell439

    4 ай бұрын

    I'm part Aboriginal I have ancestors on both sides. Let's be honest both sides were savages one just wore pants....Advance Australia fair

  • @sophrapsune

    @sophrapsune

    Ай бұрын

    It was effectively an undeclared frontier war between squatters and the Aboriginal population. It is no more alive to us today than the actions of our ancestors in the Great War and WWII.

  • @NihouNi
    @NihouNi3 жыл бұрын

    Thankyou for bringing this to our knowledge. It's really important history to know about. As an English woman, I try to teach my children about how our forebears have treated others over the centuries.

  • @garyhost1830

    @garyhost1830

    2 жыл бұрын

    I would say they were treated pretty well compared to other civilizations

  • @Ariannaishun

    @Ariannaishun

    11 ай бұрын

    Anything on how the English and others of North Western European stock have been treated? I hope you are even handed so that guilt does not build up in their psyches. Are they learning about the conversions of the Germanics and other northern tribes by incomers with their alien desert derived dogma; it was ruthless and bloody with untold numbers slaughtered (4,500 at one event, all the Albigensians), persecution was relentless with mandatory reeducation quaintly now termed church attendance and it went on for 1000 years in northern Europe. How about the Harrowing of the North following the invasion of the foreign Normans, who brought with them a special tribe in return for funding the whole "Kill Harold" enterprise. The people in the North of England didn't want to live under the regime that brought tyranny and changed everything. Who knows that 300 ships of Anglo Saxons left England after the invasion to find a homeland and eventually ended up in the Crimea...that was new to me this month. How about the Moslems and the white slave trade that went on for hundreds of years renting apart families, stealing whole villages, taking English people for work, harems and eunuchs (and other Europeans too), Let's not forget the africans who captured and sold rival africans out of spite, jealousy or greed. Current day abuses by one race against others are the Chinese and the Uighurs and the paki-grooming gangs of England against English girls. Also you should really learn about the reality of the British Empire (preceded by the East India Company and the Dutch one too)... all were financed and fomented across the world by shapeshifters --- those who look like Anglos but most definitely are not.

  • @kevinfergusson694

    @kevinfergusson694

    9 ай бұрын

    And how do you treat the Aboriginal person?

  • @kevinfergusson694

    @kevinfergusson694

    9 ай бұрын

    @@garyhost1830 As an Aboriginal man, Reading your response in the comments, count you lucky stars,that there's a great possibility that we won't meet.

  • @garyhost1830

    @garyhost1830

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@kevinfergusson694😢wow an aboriginal man threatening violence when angry 😂😂 didn't expect that.😅 What exactly do yo disagree with about my earlier statement. Do you know of any other colonisations throughout history with such few deaths or more integration of indeginous within the new civilization? I can't think of a more peaceful colonization in history, do you ?

  • @shifty76
    @shifty76Ай бұрын

    Thank you for keeping true history alive: We need to respect our nations people and ask for forgiveness.

  • @Happiones
    @HappionesАй бұрын

    I'm currently trying to re-evaluate my ideas on the aboriginal situation and saw this documentary as maybe something worth watching (it was, by the way), checked out the comments and saw what I expected, crap flying both ways. Here's some points I'd like to make. We can't change the past, get over it because we can influence the future. Aboriginal culture was a stone age culture. The fact that it hadn't changed for 40 thousand years could easily be used to criticize aboriginal culture for not being able to develop, alternatively I have the opinion that the land largely couldn't support a population level that caused conflict causing pressure to advance, let alone give anyone the leisure time required to change things. The current conditions under which aboriginals now find themselves, in terms of ease of living, health, and life span are hugely advantageous over their situation in their stone age culture. Current aboriginal culture is now more than anything, white culture, with an aboriginal flavour, just like Australian culture is 60's Australian cultured with a dash of Italian, Greek, Lebanese, Vietnamese and, dare I say it Aboriginal. European ethnic people are here in Australia. We're not going anywhere, especially the ones born here, without huge social upheaval that history shows does not end well. Aboriginal culture has some aspects that don't go well in modern culture and some that would hugely benefit modern culture. I don't have a problem acknowledging aboriginal occupation and the advantages we (Europeans) have received and/or developed from the land, BUT something that also should be appreciated in return is what Europeans, have brought to the table in terms of technology, political stability, governance and protection from further, and arguably more genocidal, invasions.

  • @fairgrowfreestyles
    @fairgrowfreestyles2 жыл бұрын

    so disgusting - the "evil" .. two faced.. behaviour of the settlers.. such disgust .. horrendous.. and they call themself men of stature.. more like murderous thieves, who where far, far away from their actual homeland.. they all deserve major penalties.. not just forget it and move on -- to live in the now.... how about we reverse the situation for 200 years .. how would you feel... cant even talk about it - it gets distorted and argued against for childish selfish reasons.. rather than recognition of the actual truth .. so many massacres .. so, so many .. disgusting ..

  • @lloydwegener3956

    @lloydwegener3956

    8 ай бұрын

    The deaths of aborignals was not good but compared with other countries who were colonised by other european countries the percentage of aborignals killed is verry low.. But you need to remember the stories you read were grossly over stated as to the number of aborignals killed and the number of actual massacres ,also do you know that aborignals massacred whites ,this is not told because it doesn't fit with the poor black man me stories that permiate these forums

  • @VM-oi3dk

    @VM-oi3dk

    Ай бұрын

    Something similar happened in California after the Gold Rush which hasn’t been talked about much.

  • @Ackdaddy100
    @Ackdaddy1007 ай бұрын

    Great and very informative documentary. I have Scottish English Irish and Indigenous ancestry from the Gamilaraay people , while this is sad and unfortunate what happened in our nations past I see all Australians as one people now while we must never forget the past we should all learn from it and not be resentful , together as one Nation we have so much to offer future Australians and the world.

  • @kevinfergusson694

    @kevinfergusson694

    7 ай бұрын

    That my friend is because you are not a full breed of any one, when the majority accepts others then that is "togetherness ", until then the majority is a racist society, and will be until they change, not other people, they have to. Ask yourself, why hasn't this problem of Racism changed since Federation and as you white fellas, always accuse us of living in the past, why are you with your laws and legislations, denying the First Nations People of their birth right..

  • @kevinfergusson694

    @kevinfergusson694

    7 ай бұрын

    What's your real name, I might know your Aboriginal name, as we are a small community.

  • @Ackdaddy100

    @Ackdaddy100

    7 ай бұрын

    @@kevinfergusson694 my family indigenous family are named Vickery and Willis and Starr they are from Guyra and Tingha it’s on my mothers side . My dads the Ackland family side are English Irish and German :)

  • @kevinfergusson694

    @kevinfergusson694

    7 ай бұрын

    @Ackdaddy100 What's mum maiden name, and does she know the Campbell's from Tingha and my first cousin,"Chicka" played a few seasons with Guyra,as our families originated from the neighbouring Bundjalung Country of Grafton.

  • @Ackdaddy100

    @Ackdaddy100

    7 ай бұрын

    @@kevinfergusson694 I will ask her :) Her maiden name is Willis also her mother on the indigenous side her last name was Vickery , the family are all still there :)

  • @BradGryphonn
    @BradGryphonn7 ай бұрын

    I bought three copies of your book some years ago. I gave two away to people who needed to read it.

  • @colinmacdonald2839
    @colinmacdonald283910 ай бұрын

    Education is key and with todays teck we can all research the truths.I myself am horrified by the European treatment to all indigenous peoples they found peacefully living on their land

  • @colsmith7257

    @colsmith7257

    9 ай бұрын

    Education LoL, Murdoch University

  • @underalions2023
    @underalions2023Ай бұрын

    Had nothing to do with me. Does not effect anyone living and alive today.

  • @GenXOriginal1972
    @GenXOriginal19726 жыл бұрын

    This conspiracy of silence also exists among New South Wales Sydney Aboriginal clans. To this very day descendants of those first native police are still in positions of power & killing Original Sovereigns from inside the movements. Hand chosen Sydney clans men were placed into the concentration camps (missions) they formed in Queensland to destroy our traditional customs, rape our children, engage in homosexual practices & hide the Original bloodlines of the tribe. My tribe is Woga birthed of Barambah the missionaries then renamed our tribe Wakka Wakka & the area Cherbourg. Thank you for Tim Bottoms, I hope you don't mind I've shared this to my channel. Probably share more of your videos (if that's ok) that proves what I've been saying about the Sydney & I believe Canberra Aboriginal clan descendants.

  • @ComaToast1

    @ComaToast1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Wakka wakka is a qld tribe aq

  • @margaretbarstow6951
    @margaretbarstow69518 жыл бұрын

    this is only a beginning to break open the festering wounds that rage within our First Nations consciousness and pioneering cover up.

  • @firozsanullah9571
    @firozsanullah95717 ай бұрын

    Shocking just can’t watch anymore after a couple of minutes

  • @zalired8925
    @zalired89258 ай бұрын

    The time has come for truth telling of the past, forgiveness of the present and living together in the future.

  • @selwyn500
    @selwyn500 Жыл бұрын

    And no compensation has been paid to traditional owners for the stolen land or government efforts to find and give remains a proper burial.

  • @garyhost1830

    @garyhost1830

    9 ай бұрын

    That's not true, Eddie marlbrogh fought for the first land rights go be recognised and plenty of money has and continues to be paid out in forms of mining rights. Not to mention 4.2 billion per year spent of aboriginal affairs according to the govt website. Why spread misinfomation?

  • @BBBBB950

    @BBBBB950

    9 ай бұрын

    ​@@garyhost1830Eddie Mabo, boy. 2020 there were 37000 land claims unresolved, so that shit isn't working to well. Mining money is payed for mining on Aboriginal Land, it's a given. Australia just can't mine in the US and not have to pay fees. Mining doesn't occur all over Australia, there are city's and infrastructure built all over Aboriginal land and no rent is being paid. Billions of dollars they supposedly spend is also the government's obligation for past injustices to try and mend what they tryed/try to destroy-Aboriginal culture.

  • @lloydwegener3956

    @lloydwegener3956

    8 ай бұрын

    The land was not stolen it was colonised ,and the aboriginals have been bought into the 19th and 20th centuries from being stone age hunter gatherers nothing more nothing less .maybe all the European and Asian countries that were conquored numerous times they should get compensation from numerous other countries . How can we be blamed for what happened before we were born . Can we blame aborignals for whites who were killed by their forbears

  • @MrDionysus65

    @MrDionysus65

    8 ай бұрын

    It's not $4.2 Billion a year actually $35 Billion a year. If that isn't reparations, what is?

  • @selwyn500

    @selwyn500

    4 ай бұрын

    @@garyhost1830 not misinformation mate, if you're not part of the privileged tier of Indigenous people who are connected you get bugger all.

  • @ronaldmasters1225
    @ronaldmasters12257 ай бұрын

    The government does not chose to admit that this happened on their watch.

  • @brucerobinson3715
    @brucerobinson3715Ай бұрын

    So now I know anything my grandparents told me that their parents had heard from their parents is true and factual.

  • @miltonthaiday5888
    @miltonthaiday58887 ай бұрын

    I'm a girrimay descendant thanks for sharing this.

  • @raskltube
    @raskltube4 жыл бұрын

    messed up..

  • @VM-oi3dk
    @VM-oi3dkАй бұрын

    The narrator says the Hornet Bank massacre was in 1957. It was in 1857.

  • @DirtySlapper99
    @DirtySlapper998 ай бұрын

    Like you said in search of their fortunes 😡 nothing has changed just the target

  • @boboharradine2673
    @boboharradine26739 ай бұрын

    Be interesting to see , were the Mr's ancestors are now and how the last 150 year's have benefited them from it all

  • @honahwikeepa2115
    @honahwikeepa21158 ай бұрын

    Evil has no form or a body. This evil is rooted in Hegel's Dialectical Methodology.

  • @Unit8200-rl8ev
    @Unit8200-rl8ev16 күн бұрын

    The Genocide of the Australian Aboriginals is one of many examples of the Capitalist Genocides, which far outnumber the Genocides committed by Communists.

  • @johne1431

    @johne1431

    14 күн бұрын

    Good point, but not sure about communist part? The purges of Stalin and Chairman Mao, where massive! You could be right though!

  • @VM-oi3dk
    @VM-oi3dkАй бұрын

    Cullin-la-Ringo was in 1861 , not 1961

  • @ericwilliams8504
    @ericwilliams85046 күн бұрын

    No one alive today has stakes in what happened in the distant past.... no one is owed a thing.. We need to move on and acknowledge this to be a chapter from times gone by, involving people who are long gone.... Here and now is where we all need to be...... anything else is just divisive and counterproductive to a harmonious, successful future.

  • @paulaka7
    @paulaka78 ай бұрын

    This has been the way of things since the beginning of time. Natural selection has worked for every species and always will.

  • @kevinfergusson694

    @kevinfergusson694

    8 ай бұрын

    You live in denial.

  • @adelarsen9776
    @adelarsen9776Ай бұрын

    You could ask the Goodrich family....

  • @mcsando1154
    @mcsando1154Ай бұрын

    How is it possible to identify anything more than 100yrs ago if it wasnt documented - TOTAL BS!!!!!

  • @ultimobile
    @ultimobile4 ай бұрын

    appalling

  • @heathernankervis577
    @heathernankervis577 Жыл бұрын

    We need to know and accept and close the gap and listen, and give Aborigines A Voice to heal this tragedy.

  • @barryford1482

    @barryford1482

    Жыл бұрын

    An unelected voice based on Race is never a good idea

  • @glengrant3884

    @glengrant3884

    9 ай бұрын

    NO thanks!

  • @zalired8925

    @zalired8925

    8 ай бұрын

    ​​@@glengrant3884Honest question, why do you disagree? This isn't meant or intended to be a yes or no referral just a general question (EDIT ..of understanding independent of any politics.)

  • @redtobertshateshandles

    @redtobertshateshandles

    7 ай бұрын

    If they stop drinking the gap might close.

  • @cherylpurdue888
    @cherylpurdue8888 ай бұрын

    They were humans ,but they were never treated the same as white people,who took there land and there lively hood,even day nothing changed😢🙏🏻

  • @clutchpowers9509
    @clutchpowers950910 ай бұрын

    Ooga booga 🍌🦧

  • @kevinfergusson694

    @kevinfergusson694

    9 ай бұрын

    As always, hidden by an alias. What goes around, comes around,Redneck.

  • @kevinfergusson694

    @kevinfergusson694

    9 ай бұрын

    Only takes 1 loose lips 💋 to sink a ship.

  • @user-md2kw5gf8b

    @user-md2kw5gf8b

    8 ай бұрын

    This shit has been happening to people since the beginning of time,no matter what flavour you are, get in a long multicultural line to say you’ve been screwed over by the powers at be. We need to live in the now ,moving right along

  • @robertgraham5709
    @robertgraham57098 ай бұрын

    Evil.

  • @Peter_Thorpe
    @Peter_Thorpe8 ай бұрын

    Lies and more lies ..that’s what aboriginal gravy train industry is based on

  • @jackreinikka9078
    @jackreinikka90787 ай бұрын

    I don’t understand the comments here running down the people who built this country, put yourself in their shoes trying to make a living in a foreign land with natives who threaten your livelihood and the harsh living conditions. I’ve heard and read stories of the colonial times and it often started because the colonists would trade goods with aboriginal in exchange for running livestock on the land. The aborigines wouldn’t keep their end and would kill livestock especially sheep, they had a taste for it. When this actually happened it was actually lawful at the time to kill them for killing your livestock. Plenty of white people were killed as well, there’s no innocent party here. Just an unfortunate and inevitable clashing of two different people coming from two different worlds. We can’t judge people from back then while we sit in our comfortable safe houses full of aircons and an endless supply of food we buy from the supermarket.

  • @corykoori

    @corykoori

    6 ай бұрын

    One lot were defending their land the other lot were there to take the land by any means necessary.

  • @jackreinikka9078

    @jackreinikka9078

    6 ай бұрын

    @@corykoori obviously you haven’t got a clue nor did you read what I said properly!

  • @andrewenoch2561

    @andrewenoch2561

    6 ай бұрын

    You understand right from wrong what about genocide and small pox where they knowingly gave contaminated blankets to Aboriginal peoples people of today owe proper fair dinkum compensation for all wrongs perpetrated by the white man and the system he opposed upon the Aboriginal peoples

  • @rebeccakeogh3923

    @rebeccakeogh3923

    2 ай бұрын

    Jackrein: White privilege at it’s best. Your so ignorant

  • @user-qu6op5zl2f

    @user-qu6op5zl2f

    2 ай бұрын

    You have a great lack of understanding

  • @ajcajc5429
    @ajcajc54297 ай бұрын

    Tribal warfare & Disease would have see these people extinct within a couple of thousand years as they only arrived a little over 5,000 years ago with the dingos

  • @danielle.thefairy

    @danielle.thefairy

    2 ай бұрын

    See archeological evidence which proves without a shadow of a doubt that we have been here for a MINIMUM 65,000 YEARS

  • @user-qu6op5zl2f

    @user-qu6op5zl2f

    2 ай бұрын

    What foolish bullshit 😂😂😂

  • @user-qu6op5zl2f

    @user-qu6op5zl2f

    2 ай бұрын

    @@danielle.thefairy100%

  • @user-qu6op5zl2f

    @user-qu6op5zl2f

    2 ай бұрын

    @@danielle.thefairy100%

  • @danielle.thefairy

    @danielle.thefairy

    2 ай бұрын

    @@user-qu6op5zl2f do some research, go to a local museum, ask questions and stop being an outright bigot

  • @redtobertshateshandles
    @redtobertshateshandles7 ай бұрын

    Hands up who wants free stuff.

  • @kathysangel56
    @kathysangel569 ай бұрын

    Lies

  • @HistorianTimothyBottoms-iv7ut

    @HistorianTimothyBottoms-iv7ut

    9 ай бұрын

    Really! Do some research (read 19th century newspapers and dairies) and you'll find it far worse than what I have portrayed. Aren't you embarrassed about your ignorance?

  • @alexwilliams4264

    @alexwilliams4264

    8 ай бұрын

    Who is lying???

  • @jimdavid7710
    @jimdavid77108 ай бұрын

    Nup

  • @gailmuir799
    @gailmuir7993 ай бұрын

    Shocking past..i feel ill to think my ancestors might have been a part of this horrendous injustice and genocide...long live the Aborigines...they could not take them all out because the Heavenly Father blocked it..they are one of the true tribes of Israel...Yeshua will come back soon to rectify this...😡

  • @user-li8ub6wz8i
    @user-li8ub6wz8i7 ай бұрын

    Who cares,… really it’s time to move on.

  • @danielle.thefairy

    @danielle.thefairy

    2 ай бұрын

    Our families still suffer the result of this mistreatment, propaganda and brutality against First Nations People

  • @rowbearly6128
    @rowbearly61289 ай бұрын

    Meh, history is full of such things. Big deal.

  • @purebloodheretic4682

    @purebloodheretic4682

    5 ай бұрын

    Lucky the Japanese didn't occupy "New Holland" before the Brits! There would be no stories to tell - There'd be no natives left to tell it! 🤨

  • @jourdainhiini6548

    @jourdainhiini6548

    3 ай бұрын

    History is written by the victors. It's not until you're on the losing side do such things matter.

  • @rowbearly6128

    @rowbearly6128

    3 ай бұрын

    @@jourdainhiini6548 ...So...Our knowledge of ancient Sumeria comes from those who vanquished them? Our knowledge of Egypt the same?Nope. As usual, lazy tropes and ignorant simplistic misquotes have confused the intellectually moribund. History is usually written by historians, based on contemporary records, forensics, art, archeological remains, logic, and oral records, amongst other things. Seriously, try harder than idiotic cliches.

  • @gailmuir799

    @gailmuir799

    3 ай бұрын

    It will be a big deal when the Heavenly Father comes back...Aborigines are one of the lost tribes of Israel...Deuteronomy 28 paints a picture 😢