I am looking to remodel my kitchen with upgrading appliances, my wife is 100% against me. Back in the day at a former house we had a Maytag drop in oven / cooktop that had a full oven in the bottom and a smaller above that and we used the smaller oven 95% of the time to cook. This unit would be ideal to give me what I want.

I am so disappointed...i had decided on going with a M-series Wolf oven with this matching steam oven after a lot of research but i went into the store to really play around with one and realized just how HEAVY the fullsize oven doors are...almost a deal breaker tbh... I have a member of my household is in their 70s and they would struggle closing that oven door...back to the drawing board me i think... Will probably need to go Gaggenau or Miele at this point though i haven't tried either yet and I am afraid to see what the Gaggenau costs... I am gonna assume that they are not as heavy and also they seem like the only other comparable options to Wolf but I still need to spend some serious time with both like I did with Wolf... Moral of the story, ALWAYS test drive your appliances extensively before paying for them...

@triaxe-mmb

6 ай бұрын

Actually, is monogram a comparable product quality? Also do they have a steam oven or just the speed oven?

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

The Speed Oven is great and while they do offer a Steam Oven, it’s not one I recommend.

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

Have you thought about a Euro sized 60CM oven? The oven door weight is one thing to be concerned about with a 70 year old but adjusting the racks is another. All of these modern ovens have “glide racks” which are convenient for getting things in and out of the oven but they’re also heavy and can be difficult to adjust. The 60CM oven might be a challenge for certain cooking vessels from a size standpoint but they typically outperform larger US ovens in a number of ways.

@triaxe-mmb

6 ай бұрын

@@theappliancereview 60cm is 24" correct? I can go look...I was planning on 2 ovens so I could do one at 24" and the other at 30"... Also never thought about the racks...will test that out too. Is the weight of the racks an issue in all makes or just for Wolf?

What's more reliable, Wolf or Miele? From what I know combination steam ovens have a lot of moving parts and people say they break often. Also do you think the Miele program is better than the Wolf program even though you say the wolf has a more responsive touch screen? That speaks highly of miele for being so far ahead in their software.

Could you do a video talking about the differences between the different series that wolf make?

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

That’s a great idea. I think we have each variation of their ovens, so it should be pretty fairly easy to explain/show.

@triaxe-mmb

6 ай бұрын

@@theappliancereview while I am at it, here is another one. A line for line comparison between Miele and Wolf - they both have so many variations now and they all look similar to the novice user, aka me... Also I like how you do deeper dives into control and menu options compared to others who do such videos - continue that focus...it helps...it feels really strange to go into a store and try appliance menu settings out for hours... 😆

@gugy68

2 ай бұрын

@@theappliancereviewhi, thanks for the great videos. I have to replace my old Thermador 30” wall oven and the reason as the keypad which is discontinued. What oven would you suggest that has minimal electrical computer components. I’m wondering the more analog the better. 😂 I am looking at the Wolf and Miele brands. I just want something I can rely for many years. I guess is all. Thanks for your input.

@theappliancereview

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the compliment @@gugy68! I don’t think you can go wrong with either of those options. I like that Miele makes a lot of their own electronics and I now own one of their 6000 series ovens so I’m a little biased towards Miele. Wolf is also family owned and I like that they’re made in the USA by skilled union workers. If after sales service and support are important to you, no one does it better than Wolf/Sub-Zero. The build quality on the Wolf is very good but I think the Miele is just exceptional.

@gugy68

2 ай бұрын

@@theappliancereview I appreciate the quick reply. Yeah, I like Miele. I have one of their vacuum canisters that lasted decades. For me the biggest thing is reliability and long lasting. I’ll check it out. Thanks again!

With the Wolf or Miele, do they both offer Sous vide capabilities, no bag required? My Anova machine can do sous vide with no bag and I would like to make sure whichever I go with can do the same.

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

They do both offer sous vide and I believed they both require a vacuum sealed bag. I wasn’t aware of any sous vide method that doesn’t require a vacuum sealed bag so I’ll have to check out the Anova. 😉

I really like the handleless options of this Wolf and equivalent Miele (DGC 7880X ?). Seems like compared to the Miele this can also be plumbed? My poor wallet though...

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

Both brands offer a plumbed option. :)

@rafflesmaos

6 ай бұрын

@@theappliancereview Ahh interesting. Going to have to more closely compare the two then once it's time to actually buy. Thanks!

I have a question for you. Can you think of some Brands that make smaller cavity convention ovens that are 30" in width but only 17"/18" in height (similar to this Wolf CSO you're showing)? I want to have a regular oven and a CSO side by side in my wall and I want them to be matching sizes. I would totally go with CSO as my only oven BUT there are time where I need to make a pizza or so some other things that I would prefer a regular oven. But again, I just don't want a huge 30"x24" wall oven just for the occasional pizza. Something slimmer like the oven you're showing would be best. Any advice is greatly appreciated :)

@rosasanders5548

6 ай бұрын

I don't think you can find a 30" x 18" "regular" oven but I could be wrong. Maybe he knows. Yeah, not sure why they aren't available. Most people only need 50% of their 30" ovens for cooking.

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

Rosa is correct. Right now this steam oven is the only really 30 x 18 format. Everything else with have a 20-22 inch wide cavity with a bunch of filler on either side.

@markpeterson3789

6 ай бұрын

@@theappliancereview what about the monogram advantium 5-in-1 speed oven?

In your opinion, which do you think would be a more useful space? This new 30" x 18" Wolf CSO, or the 24" x24" XXL Miele CSO? I'm in the market for my first wall-mounted CSO after owning my Anova countertop steam oven, so I'm already used to a smaller oven. If the Miele is 24" x 24" does that mean it has more racks than the Wolf? Or does the Wolf have the same number but placed closer together? Again, I'm trying to figure out which space is more useful :)

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

My money is on the Miele. I feel like the Wolf’s programming is still relatively limited.

Did Wolf ever resolve their blue chipping enamel issue that's been going around for years? People on Houzz always complaining about their food getting covered in chipped enamel glass, gah! I know they were sued for this like 10 years ago or something, do you know what happened with that?

@seanmcconorry1664

6 ай бұрын

It seems their combination steam oven doesn't have blue enamel but their convection ovens still do. Why?

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

I’m not really sure. I know the steam oven doesn’t offer a traditional self clean cycle and the convection oven does. They’re also made in different factories.

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

That’s a good question.🤔 I know they removed the blue porcelain coating from the runners for their oven racks a while ago. I haven’t really heard of nearly as many complaints since they made that change.

I was confused when you said the Miele can bake and broil - does rhat mean this cannot? Also, can these be used as a regular oven or only as a steam oven? Lastly, is this available in all aesthetic options from Wolf?

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

There is no traditional bake option on this oven, however you can convection bake. This means that there’s probably fan heaters only and no floor heater. And yes, I believe it IS available in all Wolf aesthetic options in both plumbed and non-plumbed versions.

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

This is only important for people who (for whatever reason) dislike convection bake.

😇 "promo sm"

you need to get your facts of where wolf manufactures before commenting. quit guessing swiss when you have NO CLUE!

@theappliancereview

6 ай бұрын

www.vzug.com/ch/en/steamers