Thanks for that dose of reality. Keep up the good work.

Back to earth…. Thank you.

Thank you Smokie for setting the record straight. You are so good.

Very well said. Each person has his or her own methods and a true horseman is always learning.

@EllaChilds

8 жыл бұрын

well said, iv been doin this professionally for 8 years now since I was 11 and I feel like iv barely licked the tip of the iceberg. I do remember seeing Buck at one of his clinics for the first time with my little horse who was a mess back then when I first go ahold of him and seeing his horses and thinking "I want my horse to be like that." 3 years later and Id say were almost to that standard of halter broke and still climbing ;)

Well said. I couldn't say it better. Keep up the good work that you are doing .

Thank you Smokie, When dealing with a problem child that weighs about900 lbs or more, and is as fast as lightning I believe until you are in that exact situation you should hush up and learn. Oh not to mention strength on top of speed and weight. Well said. I believe as with anything else, be gentle when possible, and if need be, aggressive when needed.

Very well put. I think most critics are people who are inexperienced, jealous, or incapable.

I post many vids for free Kaphoti for folks to learn from. I said I don't need your money to eat on. That doesn't mean I am independently wealthy and can afford to make a 6 disc DVD set and just give it away. And I probably have given more books away then I sell if I think it will do a person some good and they can't afford help. But I think the price I charge compared to others is not out of line. And what you pay me to fix your horse will be a heck of a lot more!

Thank you thank you thank you. Finally a horse trainer takes a stand about the reality of training a horse. Usually its the people who think you should never ever have to put pressure on a horse who end up getting hurt. I've heard all the stupid things people say about Clinton. I've watched him for over 12 years and spent hundreds of hours watching his videos, attending clinics and viewing many other clinicians. Clinton hides nothing...Clinton told a story about working this bully of a horse at a clinic in his early days and knew he needed to get after the horse, but not wanting people to get their undies in a bundle...sure enough the dang horse cow kicked him in his upper leg near his crotch. He said from that day forward he would never allow the crowd to dictate how he knew he should handle a particular situation. Thank God I had watched Clinton before I got my horse and knew what to do as she tried to run me over in the roundpen or reared at me.....Clintons first task is safety...Thank you so much for pointing out that even Buck puts pressure on a horse, when needed. You get thumbs up for sure!!!

Ur so right I am 66 years old and rode horses all my life sometimes u have to do what it takes to be safe great video keep them coming please

Thank you for your service Smokie 🇺🇸😀 and thank you for all your knowledge. I follow both you and your brother! ❤

Oh my God. Can I say I Love You!!!! You are truly an honest horseman, trainer, person... etc. People who complain are not around really aggressive horse or they get someone else to gentle the horse down. There is so much I want to say but I will say this.. Thank you for your honesty in training aggressive horses.

Absolutely well said - thank you for taking the time to make this video.

Oh, Smokie! Thank you for saying what you did about people looking at themselves to realize why their horses develop problems! A Horse Is a Mirror of their owner. Thank you! Subscribed, and appreciate this honest video. I look forward to more of your videos! 🌻🐴. (I wrote my first comment here, as i said, before I had watched this entire video.). :)

You make perfect sense. Not all horses are good natured.

So well said - thanks for posting this.

Totally agree.This is the best thing I have heard all day. You have a great perspective. The horse world does eat its own.

Well said. Do as little as it takes, but do WHAT it takes. You may have to do more to do less eventually.

Well said my friend!! Keep up the good work. Great videos! I'm new and learning, thanks a lot Smoke! Can't wait to see new videos..

I really like this discussion. I do not know I damned thing about horse training but damn this makes perfect sense of me! Thank you!

Very well said.. So much of what you are saying is true of just about any informative videos that are out there in just about any field. Somebody will be quick to judge or claim to know better. I enjoy listening and watching folks who know what they are doing and I can learn something from just about anybody, but to truly learn a thing, one must actually do it themselves as you said towards the end.

It is so good to hear somebody think like this keep it up sir!

My husband and I had the pleasure of meeting you at the Midwest Horse Fair in Madison, WI. I also have two of your books and a lot of respect for your opinions. Thank your for saying what I suspect a lot of us actually believe.

Much respect Smokie...That you sir.

Smoke THANK YOU

It's kiiiinda like raising kids... there IS a place for positive AND negative reinforcement. Abuse is when you can not restrain yourself from hitting them again and again and again even after the horse clearly is trying to submit. The goal of horsemanship isn't to dominate but to have a partnership. I have witnessed firsthand abuse to horses, and it is my goal to be unlike that. My goal as a horse trainer is to be fair yet firm if I need to be.

Thank you.

Well said!!!!

I sure appreciate your comments here. Thank you. Why can't we all just get along? :-) People sure are quick to judge. I've learned something from all of well known, popular trainers. Thank God I don't have to pick just one......Jesus is my one actually, if I had to pick! hee, hee But I'm grateful for all of trainers. If we listen hard, we can learn from each one and do better by our horses. But I hear ya.....folks are mighty hard on these guys without ever having really gotten to know them.

Well said!!

thank you

Smokie is dead on the money here. Clinton is one of the few to state "If a horse needs {hard correction} I will do it in the arena when he needs it. I won't talk about being nice and then take him out behind the barn and beat him. I speak to him in language he understands: a kick in the belly." I once corrected a Shire mare that had learned that if you run over the trainer they leave you alone for two months. She was a real charming filly to fix, and the arguments were less than mellow.

Maybe all trainers should first let all their clients know, right from the get go, that no horse is born bad. And that 99.9%, in my opinion, of horse problems are caused by humans. Period. And I am including myself in this statement. Any time I've ever been hurt around horses or had any problems, especially back in the day when I was young, was My own fault. I sorely wish All horse trainers would educate all new horse owners, and those that "have been around horses their whole lives" this simple Fact. We need to do everything in our power to give horses and all animals their best lives, and that starts with education. These animals have no say in their destinys. Thanks for considering this all horse peeps out there! Smokie, I've never come across any of your videos before and haven't even finished this one yet, but I a!ready just have a good feeling about you just from listening for a few minutes. I just had to chime in my thoughts while you were talking about clinton . I just wish some people would put their egos on hold and honestly work for the horses benefits and not just for now they look to the uninitiated or for their brand. Horses everywhere need a big apology from man, and treated with respect and from a knowledge of the horse. Think like a horse and using common sense and compassion. Educate ourselves and use discernment on different trainers. People need training more than horses first of all. Sorry, didn't mean to get on a soap box, just feel passionate about this subject.

Well said!!!!!

Very good advice

Thank you

Amen! If these people knew it all they wouldn’t have to take their horse to someone to fix it.

It’s so true.

I love this video, I always roll my eyes when someone yells abuse when a person whacks a horse that is charging or aggressive with a whip. you don't have to be cruel or excessive but these are 1200 lb animals and you can't whack a horse as hard as another horse can kick it. again you don't have to be cruel but some horses need a stern correction because they have never had that and have become dangerous

@matthiasweiss1144

7 жыл бұрын

I like his brother's mantra: Give the horse the best deal you can, but get the job done. What Buck is able to do, however, is to correct a horse without any emotional involvement and zero resentment - that's the real trick that distinguishes training from abuse.

@diannadaniels-orcutt7166

7 жыл бұрын

I agree I like that buck also says you are "parenting" a horse. It's not about hurting them or out muscling them to get them to do what you want it's about making the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard Tom Dorrance has some great books about training too

I saw the movie. I saw that yellow horse. I said it needed put down. I was absolutely furious, not at Buck or Smokie, but at the stupid ass owner. I've seen "world-renowned" horse trainers do horrible stuff behind the scenes. One I worked for ruined a gorgeous Paso Fino he was "training" because he told me he felt threatened the horse might later come up against him in shows and win. He was riding the horse at 2pm in the afternoon when I left to go home. Next morning, the vet was there and working feverishly to save the horse. He pulled me in the stall and showed me that the horse had gashes in his barrel from just behind his shoulder all the way back to his flank, with long pieces of skin hanging off. The animal was dehydrated and in a state of complete nervous collapse. The trainer had told the vet the horse tried to jump a fence and got impaled. Problem is, the trainer's fences were all the fancy faux wood and none of it was remotely damaged. The vet (who was also my vet) later told me that he finally determined the trainer had savaged the horse with spurs in a closed stall over a period from around the time I left at 2pm until the horse collapsed at about 7am the following morning. The horse was gelded and sold off super cheap later, probably to slaughter, because he was ruined. The trainer that taught me to ride as a child, who I (once) held in very high esteem, used to implement "soring." If you don't know what that is, I suggest you look it up. Several years after I'd left her stable, I caught her, after a horse spooked during a show, beating the cross-tied horse across the face and chest with a whip in the barns in a closed stall after the show. I never spoke to her again.

Amen

WELL SAID!!! NO ONE WANTS TO FACE REALITY TO WHAT A REAL TRAINER HAS TO DEAL WITH BECAUSE OF IDIOT COUNTERFEIT HORSE OWNERS THAT RUIN A HORSE!!! THANKS GREAT MESSAGE!!!!

I shoed horses for 20 years. I shoed them all . Good or bad. Mostly bad. I got pretty good with the bad ones. But, I never got to be a very good shoer because I was usually dealing with unruly stock. That being said, if I was going to be a trainer, I would only take in the good ones. I could be nice and gentle and SUCCESFULL . Too many good ones to deal with bad ones.

I love those boots other riders make fun of me because I wear similar fashsion, I will buck the system-really don't care!

Also, regarding Clinton Anderson, the problem horses he re-trains have had, in all likelihood, years to develop bad behavior....Clinton Anderson has only a few hours or days to correct such behavior. Bravo, Smoky!

Also, one of the clinicians Smokie mentions was seen making a futurity horse's sides bloody with his spur while tuning him up for "showing". Then covering the bloody spots up with paint. Sad to hear, this is a common practice among the "professionals". When it comes to making money and getting the job done, all too often principles are sacrificed and the horse takes the brunt of it.

Gee id like to have a horseshoe shaped head too

Even after all these years from making this video... Thank you. I'm sorry you had to say all this. But thank you for saying this. Be safe, be well and God Bless.

you don't have to account yourself to anyone Smokie.

I know this is a 10 year old video that I couldn’t agree more. If you have an aggressive horse, it’s coming at you like the bite you kick you trample you you’ll put a whooping on his ass too

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I believe clinicians trying to get a lot done in a short amount of time causes them to resort to brute force more than is necessary than if they had the time. Trying to help a horse owner that lacks knowledge and got themselves in too deep. So part of this brutality deal falls on the shoulders of the horse owner also. You wanna own a horse, then you owe it to the horse(s) to start a path to learning to understand the horse so that you can help them be a good, solid horse.

Okay, Smokie, the gist of what I'm hearing you say is that trainers need to do what trainers need to do, and when they need to do more it's mostly due to people who didn't know what they were doing who screwed up the horse in their most formative stages in the first place. I agree. In my opinion, colt starters SHOULD pay their dues and go through the ranks to be a professional colt starter. They need both talent and skill. Talent is mostly there at birth. Skill takes a lot of time and hard work to acquire. i don't think that anybody who is an amateur/backyard rider ought to start a colt. Ray Hunt used to tell us that the majority of the riders in the colt class had nothing to offer the colt, yet, he didn't vet who he let ride in the colt starting classes. It's supposed to be a free country, and if people wanted to go in the colt class and get an ambulance ride, then that was their choice. All waivers were signed. My philosophy is to put almost everything with a horse on a scale 0-10 with infinity in between. Do your best to stay in the 0-3 range, but do not, repeat, do not hesitate to run up the scale to make a correction to fit the situation and then get back down to the 0-3 range, again. That philosophy perpetually repeats itself to fit the situation, thus developing feel, timing, and balance, which a person never perfects. The palomino horse constituted a 10 at times. Now, onto the Clinton Andersons of the world. He handles rough stock. Great. Someone does need to do that. However, he's inappropriately abrupt with ALL OF THEM. He has little to no scale 0-10. The guy's gage is broken. I've watched more than a few clips of his training. I've watched full videos. I never heard Ray call him out specifically but he said on many an occasion that if he were the horse and someone handled him the way some people and some of these trainers do, that he'd let 'em have it. I get what he was saying. I'd murder Clinton Anderson, if I were a horse. I'd stomp him into the ground. Most of the people I teach live in their own little Disney Land. The biggest challenge is to get them to pay attention. The second biggest challenge is to get them to run up the scale past a 3 when they need to. I attribute that to the Dem/Socialist fairytale in to which society has been indoctrinated. They've lost touch with reality and have a complete disconnect from the natural world. They don't acceptance violence unless it's in Hollywood or football. They can't accept that lions can't be controlled into being vegans. Clinton doesn't give me a problem with those people. He does give me a problem with horse owners who are having a hard time with their animals and have watched his videos. It's hard to get them out of objectifying horses and not adjusting to fit the disposition of the horse because they see him being abrupt with all of them. And because Clinton has a dick, an exotic accent, and marketing power, they believe his bullshit. It's hard for people who are brainwashed to get past that destructive mystique. Then, they discredit people who offer a different way and get along with the horse. They think they're being shown up or something. I once asked Ray Hunt what percent of horses he thought were wired wrong and were dangerous and untrainable. He paused and thought about it. Then he said about 98% of the horses were trainable. He said that he'd only come across a few where he was fighting for his life. Then, he paused again and said, ["I take that back. 99.8% of the horses I came across were trainable."] I believe him. But that's Ray Hunt's scale. I think more than anything else, he wanted us to exceed that scale.

@SmokieBrannaman

Жыл бұрын

I don't look much at the comments of my posted rants but my new phone somehow brought this up lol! Good comments all! And more "Bits" of knowledge for folks to learn from! Thanks for dropping in last year lol! Smoke

Yes you have to get aggressive if a horse is trying to kill you.

@katphoti- hes saying that he doesn't need your money, but he still sells it because everyone needs money to by food, clothes, pay bills..and so forth. He says it himself "people are just trying to get along", if ur gonna say something rude don't comment no one needs it. So "stop sturying the pot of bullshit" But im 13yo I don't know everything so don't take that to personal. Either way these Brannaman boys are good men they know what there doing, there my personal mentors so back off.

Love it. I joined a good but very 'latest fad' trainer's disciple's fan page...Shoot me. Mostly, above middle age women calling themselves "Mindful Horse Women" while being snarkyn self riteous and ignorantly judgemental.

It needed to be said, Smokie. Everyone can armchair quarterback. But there are times anyone handling horses have to do what has to be done. There is a difference between abuse & what you're describing. The problem is the lack of common sense in the general public.

It’s a lazy conversation when you criticize

Just like some people, some horses need a spanking now and again. 😂😂😂

The one true thing he says is about the inept owners who let a horse walk all over him or her then subject that horse to clinicians who need to use a strong hand and methods to get them “fixed” in short order. And in a clinic setting that could be one hour. That’s not fair to the horse. Either by the clinician or by the horse owner. The poor horse pays the price. It’s just sad.

Thank you for being frank. These animals can kill you and you need to stop them from getting to that point before they are a smoking gun. I have looked at as many trainers as I can to see who does what and the facts are you all do it primarily the same say just using different vernacular. One mans games are another mans steps or methods. They all have merit. No two horses are the same so you need to use varying degrees of force or discipline. Sometimes none sometimes a lot. Nothing should injure

Ignore the haters, Smokie. People are boobs.

I often wonder if anyone of these people who have a lot to say about what's to ruff or unfair have ever watched a herd of horses kick of bit each other. The sad part of the Natural Horsemanship Revolution is most of the market is a bunch of overweight women without husbands, who ran out of dogs to have relationships with so they turned to a horse who got tired of being petted. Then they head to clinic to learn how to handle him after he takes over their safe relationship. GO EAT A SALAD!

@plantlady328

3 жыл бұрын

I definitely see your point in the beginning, and yes there are too many ladies (and men too) out there that dont really understand correction But you need to know that there are a few like me...I have a husband and dogs. My dogs behave and they are a pleasure to be around. My horses are the favorites of my vets and farrier. Yes I may be old and overweight but I do know how to make a correction so dont judge dude! and I do eat a lot of salad, so there ya go. I have to wonder how many times you have been married or how good your relationship with your horses or women are.

thank you