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A-4E Skyhawk vs A-10C Thunderbolt II: Dogfight | DCS

Our next dogfight is between two mighty US attack aircraft, the A-4 Skyhawk and A-10 Warthog!
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22:13 2 vs 2 Battles
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  • @Mjones8383
    @Mjones838310 ай бұрын

    If Germany had 5 or 6 A10 type jets in ww2 they would have defeated Russia, Prove me wrong!!

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    Not as easy as you think: With the A-10's loaded up, they can't outrun the fighters of the time: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m5iVudSfYrCvdNo.html

  • @henricomonterosa4534

    @henricomonterosa4534

    10 ай бұрын

    If they had unlimited ammo, kerosine and parts at the airports yes, because several battles would have been way easier. My guess would be that they could have used their radar and done night missions on enemy airports etc. There would have been little to nothing for USSR to counter that. In air combat they would have gotten killed, like anything else. Also the logistics from Germany were terrible at the eastern front, meaning they couldnt supply their aircraft at all. So in reality, no they wouldn't have changed a thing.

  • @valuedhumanoid6574

    @valuedhumanoid6574

    10 ай бұрын

    Or if the Russian winter would have been very mild, the Germans would have won. Or, if the T-34 was released a year earlier, Russia would have won sooner. Or if Germany had the ME-262 a year earlier, or... Changing or adding one single aspect for either side is a facetious argument. Too many variables. I understand what your point is, but it really can't stand on it's own. Like the old saying "if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon"

  • @imbetterthanyouis

    @imbetterthanyouis

    10 ай бұрын

    @@valuedhumanoid6574 one of the biggest failings of the germans was they thought they could do it before winter , so they never planned for or issued winter gear

  • @corygoodall8295

    @corygoodall8295

    10 ай бұрын

    your wrong at "If".

  • @Orieni
    @Orieni10 ай бұрын

    As a retired ground pounder, these are two of my favorite birds.

  • @itsjustme8947

    @itsjustme8947

    10 ай бұрын

    As a retired pilot, I can only speak for the A-10. This aircraft was a beast flying CAS. Normally I 'wore' the Mudhen, but flew the A-10 as needed. Personally I would have hated flying against the 'hawk.

  • @CMDRSweeper
    @CMDRSweeper10 ай бұрын

    The A4 Skyhawk is really sexy looking, especially when it is parked on the ground, the stance of the extended nose gear and the engines in the back makes it look really cool.

  • @jrizos06
    @jrizos0610 ай бұрын

    It was a good fight to watch Cap, I wouldn't worry too much about the mechanics of keeping us entertained - the fade in/out works well to keep it concise and people can always scroll to what they want to watch

  • @Alexei_99
    @Alexei_9910 ай бұрын

    It would be cool to see the A10 dogfight a more modern light strike aircraft such as the yak-131 / 130 or m-346.

  • @markredacted8547
    @markredacted854710 ай бұрын

    I find this highly entertaining, it's about talent and understanding the aircraft, it's like watching chess you are setting up the finish many moves before anything happens. I love it.

  • @clangerbasher
    @clangerbasher10 ай бұрын

    Harrier vs Scooter next?

  • @tokencivilian8507
    @tokencivilian850710 ай бұрын

    Heinemann's Hotrod - a great little airplane.

  • @jimmyapolis
    @jimmyapolis6 ай бұрын

    While watching the first battle between Cap and Simba I caught myself thinking "Use the force Luke". LOL

  • @FugMan4
    @FugMan410 ай бұрын

    the A-4 was a pretty good lil dogfighter.

  • @jcremeringful
    @jcremeringful10 ай бұрын

    All your vids are very entertaining!

  • @ctakitimu
    @ctakitimu6 ай бұрын

    Little old New Zealand used to have the tiniest of airforce jets. We had Skyhawk 4K's so this'll be a fun watch for me. We scrapped them though and now we have no attack jets

  • @BK45AUS
    @BK45AUS10 ай бұрын

    The A4 remains the only aircraft I've flown in dcs where the role rate can black you out in under a second, quite interesting when your not expecting it.

  • @tetraxis3011
    @tetraxis301110 ай бұрын

    Video Suggestion: This is based on a rumor/possibility of Mexico buying F14 Tomcats from the US in the late 70s and very early 80s. Considering Mexico originally wanted to acquire 26 F5s I’d say if Mexico went for tomcats they would get atleast 24. So the Scenario would be the hypothetical Mexican Tomcats versus the Cuban Airforce in say 1986. This should be interesting since Cuba would have a noticeable Numbers advantage(if I’m correct it would be 100 jets or more) vs a noticeably superior tech in the form of the F14s.

  • @wilsonrawlin8547
    @wilsonrawlin854710 ай бұрын

    Nice! The crazy thing is A10s fired missiles to soon in the turns before they had a better rear aspect. With the cannon, all they needed was for a couple rounds on target and the A-4 would be shredded vaporized.

  • @jamesp8164
    @jamesp816410 ай бұрын

    I kind of figured that the A4 might be able to win the two circle fight, but apparently not.

  • @johneckert1690
    @johneckert169010 ай бұрын

    A-4 Vs F-5E would be very interesting !!!

  • @robertmansfield7656
    @robertmansfield765610 ай бұрын

    Skyhawk v frogfoot

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    That will be good!

  • @timbaskett6299
    @timbaskett629910 ай бұрын

    Hard to believe that these two are such an even match. Another one that would be cool is a Top Gun aggressor fight with the A-4 vs. the F-5.

  • @timothybayliss6680
    @timothybayliss668010 ай бұрын

    If the A10 had a radar guided gunsight like the f18 it would dominate these encounters. Pilot ends up guessing so much where the rounds are headed.

  • @dixieduffy7

    @dixieduffy7

    10 ай бұрын

    For that, the A10 would need a radar. Maybe slap somthing like the Sabres radar gun sight in it and pray it dosent rattle apart with recoil

  • @pogo1140

    @pogo1140

    10 ай бұрын

    ​@dixieduffy7 you'd have to put the radar on a pod under the wing.

  • @dixieduffy7

    @dixieduffy7

    10 ай бұрын

    @pogo1140 Well, that's gonna have some wack ass parallax. Why not just shove something small in front of the refueling gate? It's not like the A-10 is gonna rock off SPAMRAAMs.

  • @pogo1140

    @pogo1140

    10 ай бұрын

    @@dixieduffy7 it's not unusual, early radars on single engine prop plane's had the radar on the wing. It's just a matter for the plane's fire control computer to adjust for the radar antenna position.

  • @dixieduffy7

    @dixieduffy7

    10 ай бұрын

    @@pogo1140 Yea, they had them for night interception for sneaking up on targets. not for full on dogfights. There is a reason the radar is stored in the balls I mean nose.

  • @voradfils
    @voradfils10 ай бұрын

    No predictions, but A-10 has a good chance of coming on top with missiles. Guns only, A-4 should win since it climbs better and its instantaneous turn isn't shabby either.

  • @voradfils

    @voradfils

    10 ай бұрын

    Based on what things looked like, it should take only about 3 minutes for A-4 to win. It's important to shape the geometry at the top. Loops don't cut it.

  • @BCSchmerker
    @BCSchmerker10 ай бұрын

    +GrimReapersAtomic *The Douglas A4D* (USDoD after 1963: A-4) *has the triple advantage: Roll rate, wing loading, and thrust-to-weight.* But a shrewd dogfighter in the USAF / Fairchild A-10 can use the vertical to tighten turn radius.

  • @DeceasedUser
    @DeceasedUser10 ай бұрын

    Very close great dog fight

  • @Gunfreak19
    @Gunfreak1910 ай бұрын

    I'm most impressed that you can hit something with the A4 guns. I've done a lot of dogfight testing with the A4 and those 20mm guns are terrible in air to air, 2000rpm isn't enough to hit a target going 400-600knots. And you have like 4 seconds of ammo. But might help that the A10 isn't that fast and is also a very large target.

  • @pazsion
    @pazsion10 ай бұрын

    I wonder if dynamic steering swept wing would be better bs thrust vectoring on an a-10

  • @seanmataya2290
    @seanmataya229010 ай бұрын

    Would be cool to see vs match with max loadouts and either kill or capture other base will spawn teammates on base of choice 🤔 😀 😉 👍 👀 then as boss fight to intercept sr71 as it's at tanker before it can escape 👍 😉 🤔

  • @ivorharden
    @ivorharden10 ай бұрын

    The A10 danger warning sounds like the drop from Darude - Sandstorm

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    ooo I likey that song.

  • @panzerabwerkanone
    @panzerabwerkanone10 ай бұрын

    Poosh went sploosh!

  • @92HazelMocha
    @92HazelMocha10 ай бұрын

    One issue with the A10's flight model I've only recently noticed is that the recoil from the gun isn't properly modeled. The A10's gun has so much recoil that it occasionally stalls out the plane, this isn't modeled in DCS.

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    It has a tiny bit of recoil but not a lot.

  • @angelamarosesma4220
    @angelamarosesma422010 ай бұрын

    My 2 first planes :D

  • @oldmanpearson
    @oldmanpearson10 ай бұрын

    Going g back to revisit so.e of your naval battles, I've noticed you've never ever once, ever mentioned the German vessel, Graf Spee. Why not put whole of axis fleets verses an Allied battle fleet?. Another idea. What would have happened if the Pacific Fleet were out escorting the American aircraft carriers on 7th Dec 1941?, imagine they caught the Japanese navy in the open?

  • @playanddisplay3636
    @playanddisplay363610 ай бұрын

    Mount guns to the EDGE stunt plane to go against the A-10

  • @itsjustme8947
    @itsjustme894710 ай бұрын

    What's this I see?!! A GR FIGHTING IN THE VERTICAL?? Now if you guys would only do that in the Mudhen!!!

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    Tried in a couple of missions but it just gets nailed in the butt by a high off-boresight missile every time.

  • @itsjustme8947

    @itsjustme8947

    10 ай бұрын

    @@grimreapers Then something is wrong in the coding. Fighting in the vertical is what the Eagles excel in. I should know, because it's what I did for a looooong time. Your wizzo's only job is having their eyes stuck to their instruments and their fingers stuck to chaff/flares. Ah, found the problem. You don't fly the Strike Eagle with wizzo's, do you? Sorry for the silly question, but I still am not playing the game......yet. On a separate topic, I would gladly join GR once I'm playing and up-to-speed, that is, if you accept applications. 🙂

  • @Pablo668
    @Pablo66810 ай бұрын

    This is confirming my opinion (pretty unfounded tbh) that the A4 is a much better jet than most think, for what it is. If flown to whatever its strengths are by a well trained/experience pilot.

  • @strambino1
    @strambino110 ай бұрын

    A-10 vs Mig15! 30mm vs 37mm!

  • @davidstone6144
    @davidstone614410 ай бұрын

    I would love to see 20 mm gun pods on the a10 for tracers.

  • @neanderthor66
    @neanderthor6610 ай бұрын

    For some reason, I thought it was A-10 versus A-6 Intruder. That would be cool, if the Intruder was in DCS.

  • @nonegiven5295
    @nonegiven529510 ай бұрын

    Is the A-37 modeled in DCS? I would LOVE to see a Hog vs Tweet.

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    Sadly not.

  • @mirthenary
    @mirthenary10 ай бұрын

    Man, that A-4 tone gets a little annoying, doesn't it

  • @baziwan9407
    @baziwan940710 ай бұрын

    Was the A-10s a/a gun mode not allowed?

  • @paulh5027
    @paulh502710 ай бұрын

    I heard it said the A-10 ammo T&P rounds have Tracers, the A-4 can't turn with A-10 I think it should use the speed, extend and make head on passes.

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    Ah, I was not aware of this...

  • @Dad_Brad
    @Dad_Brad10 ай бұрын

    Knew the A-10 was slow but had no idea it was slower than a WWII warbird.

  • @RaderizDorret

    @RaderizDorret

    10 ай бұрын

    Most Warbirds were about the same speed as an A-10 with most of their fighting done in the 150-250 mph range. Given that the A-10 was designed to fill the role being held by the A-1 Skyraider, it makes sense its performance would be in line with late WWII era planes.

  • @Dad_Brad

    @Dad_Brad

    10 ай бұрын

    @@RaderizDorret Yes, I remember seeing an A-10 demo at the Muskogee Annual Airshow in the 90s and being thoroughly impressed.

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    This shows the speed problem: kzread.info/dash/bejne/m5iVudSfYrCvdNo.html

  • @pogo1140
    @pogo114010 ай бұрын

    Okie Nance mentioned to take the a-4 vertical, force the A-10 to bleed energy until the a-10 can drop into lag for missiles or close to 200m gun shot

  • @texas8322

    @texas8322

    10 ай бұрын

    Simba and Cannonball were doing that after the A10s used up their missles. The problem is that Cap and the other guys in the 10s knew to lay off the engines as they were about to fall back. That made a low heat engine even harder to lock onto. Which by that time the A4 would zip past them, thus exposing their backsides again. I was thinking the same as you, but Cap explained what they saw that we didn't....for hours.

  • @pogo1140

    @pogo1140

    10 ай бұрын

    @@texas8322 yes they were. But I'm seeing a lot of the A-4 drivers doing horizontal turns at the merge. Don't. Go vertical, find the sun, bleed the a-10's e and loop over the top.

  • @texas8322

    @texas8322

    10 ай бұрын

    @pogo1140 yeah, I can't remember who flew 2nd, but I was very frustrated that he hadn't at least did an initial hard verticle to start up top, and instead immediately went into a one and then allowing the two circle. But, I think that was due to him not being aware of the best way to fly the A4 and not listening to Cap and Simba's advice. I think these pilots get so used to flying the newer planes they forget, or just don't know, the old school way of dogfighting

  • @pogo1140

    @pogo1140

    10 ай бұрын

    @@texas8322 chalk it up to me having those illustrations from Shaw's Fighter Combat Tactics and Maneuvering imprinted in my brain and an obsession with the F-14 and 16

  • @texas8322

    @texas8322

    10 ай бұрын

    @pogo1140 same. That and my dad having served on the deck and in the tower of the USS Constellation and inland as ATC, and telling me stories from pilots having been through Top Gun and Blue Angel training with the A4s.

  • @EeekiE
    @EeekiE10 ай бұрын

    A-10 vs a ferocious pigeon

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    Does the pigeon bite?

  • @EeekiE

    @EeekiE

    10 ай бұрын

    @@grimreapers only there are chips or a dropped kebab at stake

  • @hemantteen
    @hemantteen10 ай бұрын

    Hi Cap. Iran managed to strap SAMs on their F-14s. Can you make a video how effective SAMs would be if launched air-to-air. Also if they can intercept SR-71. Thx

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    lol OK will try.

  • @nigeldepledge3790
    @nigeldepledge379010 ай бұрын

    Question : is it hard for the A-4 to get an IR lock because of the A-10's relatively cool engines, or is there something about the A-4's electronic systems that makes it hard?

  • @georgesmith5624
    @georgesmith562410 ай бұрын

    Can someone build a RNZAF A4K?

  • @codyj7532
    @codyj753210 ай бұрын

    Please do the a4 vs the f14…..

  • @WF2U
    @WF2U10 ай бұрын

    In 1970 an Israeli A-4H (with 30 mm Israeli made autocannons instead of the original 20 mm) shot down 2 Syrian MIG-17's over Lebanon in air to air combat.

  • @kurtreichenbach8927
    @kurtreichenbach892710 ай бұрын

    Love the A-4.....wish it would be an official module so it can be played on the all the servers...RickyBobby

  • @alanmike6883
    @alanmike688310 ай бұрын

    Describe the a 4 in three words?

  • @n1co2017
    @n1co201710 ай бұрын

    if i was in the A-4 i'd bring a gun pod

  • @abedbert8744
    @abedbert874410 ай бұрын

    how bout US Armed Forces US Navy (Tomahawk, F-35C, Growlers, AH-1 Viper) US Air Force (Spectre GUnships, A-10 Thunderbolt, B-1B Lancer, SAM) US Army (Himars, M1A1 Abrams, M-777 Howtizer, Paladin SPH, Apache) vs Mordor army Defending MInas Tirith?

  • @mrdlama4036
    @mrdlama403610 ай бұрын

    I would love to see a ex Israeli A4 pilot Show you how it’s done

  • @FugMan4
    @FugMan410 ай бұрын

    LOL cool fight

  • @chulian1819
    @chulian181910 ай бұрын

    vs su-25?

  • @James-sv2cs
    @James-sv2cs10 ай бұрын

    Av8b vs. a4e?

  • @grimreapers

    @grimreapers

    10 ай бұрын

    rgr

  • @imbetterthanyouis
    @imbetterthanyouis10 ай бұрын

    someone should do a kahu mod A4

  • @georgesmith5624

    @georgesmith5624

    10 ай бұрын

    Yes please with a engine upgrade,the a4 kahu is amazing

  • @DJSockmonkeyMusic
    @DJSockmonkeyMusic10 ай бұрын

    As much as i enjoyed this, it wasn't exactly all action like the best of GR. Sorry guys, the A-10 is awesome, but watching it dogfight is like watching paint dry... Edit but i still watched the whole video, so what ever, right?

  • @ilejovcevski79
    @ilejovcevski7910 ай бұрын

    Why no tracers? A-10's can carry them? On the issue of the A-4's being used as adversaries by the USN, unfortunately we don't have those. The Navy removed a lot of the avionics, including the guns to make the planes lighter, and they the engines they had on those A-4's were a lot more powerful then what the current A-4E has. I once tried to get the same T/W a USN-FWS adversary Scooter would have in DCS, and it required me to let the plane at bellow 10% internal fuel. Even that was not enough as it simulated about a 70% fuel state A-4. Not to mention the loss an AoA per knot due to the excess weight of the dry plane you can't lose in any way.... it would be nice if ever got up-engined Scooters!

  • @xpk0228

    @xpk0228

    10 ай бұрын

    yeah the A4 they used had more than 1 t/w at 50% fuel... basically a small F16 at that point

  • @ilejovcevski79

    @ilejovcevski79

    10 ай бұрын

    @@xpk0228 yep!

  • @user-te3mf8nz6n
    @user-te3mf8nz6n10 ай бұрын

    The A4 has a delta wing not a straight wing

  • @docauger2032
    @docauger203210 ай бұрын

    A-10A WOULD HAVE BEEN A BETTER FIGHT