A lot of videos are aimed at selling hp ammo they try to make you think a fmj won't stop anything

When I was in the Army in 1956, a .45 cal FMJ mil spec killed two men and lodged in a third. More recently, a truncated .9mm FMJ penetrated deeper than a round nose bullet of the same weight in gelatin. I found by testing that the .45 is good for stopping cars by disabling their engines. Retired now, I carry only .9mm HP, 115 grain, for safe self defense, should the need arise. Thank you for this latest test; that was good to know info.

@hugostiglitz9864

28 күн бұрын

There's no substitute for real world experience. Thanks for sharing and thanks for your service, sir.

@theia1653

2 күн бұрын

This comment is testimony for anyone who doubts the power of the .45 caliber, even in FMJ.

Up into the mid 1970’s, if you carried a semi auto pistol for defense, you had one option- FMJ, so all gunfights and confrontation was settled with Fmj , and in revolvers round nose lead, or semi wad cutter. Super Vel was the company that started hollow point ammo for automatic pistols, and improved on the idea for revolvers.

@rafars2246

3 ай бұрын

Even during the 80's, the large majority of ammo was fmj, and nobody ever say it wasn't good for self defense. This over penetration is pure insanity.

FMJ beats a stick every day!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

And twice on Sunday!👍

@blackticalmayhem8461

2 жыл бұрын

and harsh language LOL

@chaddking8333

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackticalmayhem8461 😂

@Astro_touches_children

2 жыл бұрын

And it's louder than a knife 🔪

@joedouche3818

2 жыл бұрын

Even a .22 beats a stick lol.

Good video and shows how hollow points are safer to innocent bystanders. I find it strange that some states outlaw HP ammo when it is safer to use for self defense.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. The people making these gun laws don't know anything about guns and ammo. It's a shame.

@avshockey6633

2 жыл бұрын

You are a lot more likely to hit an innocent bystander with an errant shot than a pass through. I regularly see reports of people hit by stray bullets, but I don't think I've ever seen a report of someone getting hit by a pass through.

@filianablanxart8305

2 жыл бұрын

That's not * some states * , that is New Jersey , and only New Jersey .

@MitchC357

2 жыл бұрын

@@filianablanxart8305 yeah NJ sucks

@ratagris21

2 жыл бұрын

@@filianablanxart8305 NJ calls HPs cop killer rounds.

Been using 230gr FMJ Ball ammo in a 45ACP for decades. It works fine for self defense. Have also used 9mm 124Gr FMJ MagTech in a Sig in a previous self defense use, and it worked admirably., broke some ribs when it went in. So yeah, if all I have is FMJ I will use it with confidence.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

It will definitely get the job done.👍

@jamiethompson3851

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah you must live in the south I live in Louisiana did they take tour gun?

@jamiethompson3851

2 жыл бұрын

Your?

@berettaxd7566

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamiethompson3851 Y'all'n gun

@jamiethompson3851

2 жыл бұрын

@@berettaxd7566 yup

FMJ are plenty lethal. Add bone to the event and lots happens when the bullet hits it. I actually stagger my ammo. We learned that in the state police academy. The gel test is just that. A body has more components whether it’s human, hog, alligator, wolf, bear, etc. People shouldn’t worry at all about using FMJ in their EDC. THANKS FOR YOUR INTERESTING VIDEOS AND DEDICATION TO HELPING PEOPLE.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. Good info.😎👍

@paulross9287

2 жыл бұрын

Paul Harrell talks of police and DAs looking at staggered ammo with a jaundiced eye in one of his videos. Just a thought.

In combat, 124 fmj is the preferred round. Over penatrate is exactly what you want.

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

😎👍

@ShastaBean

19 күн бұрын

even after you find out penetration comes at the expense of wounding the initial target?

the dangers of an fmj is more of a myth than anything. you hear people claiming the fmj will over penetrate and hurt or kill an innocent bystander all the time. while the possibility is there, i have yet to see a single documented case of it EVER actually happening. i have, however, seen cases where an innocent was hurt or killed simply because the shooter missed his intended target and hit someone else and that can happen no matter what the round is. the average 115 gr fmj can do everything the fanciest marketed hp can do and then some, at a fraction of the cost

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.👍

@walterknight1550

2 жыл бұрын

When you testy in court you used the cheapest ammo you could find I expect you will be crucified. The differences will be less than $1.00 a round. Is that the price on a life.

@kennethrisner8648

2 жыл бұрын

@@walterknight1550 Walter, Ken here. i respect your opinion and i have a question for you, but before i ask i want to make it clear i mean no disrespect to you nor am i trying to be sarcastic. question is can you provide a link to a court case where someone was actually crucified for defending his or her life by using fmj? last thing i ever wanna do is hurt or kill someone in self defense. in fact i'll look for any way out of the situation. i'll run if i can, hide if i can, but i think it very important not to blurr the lines between who is the perp and who is the victim. the way you put things will cause some people to pause at the critical moment and end up a statistic rather than a survivor

Dang man! This video does a great job of showing the real difference bullet weight makes. Great footage!

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that.😎👍

I understand over penetration concerns where there are likely innocent by-standers around. But in a civil breakdown (SHTF) those distinctions between bad and innocent will likely be easier to make. In defending my loved ones I will use it all.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Amen to that!

@xelations6002

2 жыл бұрын

There's not 1 case of where a citizen involved shooting resulted in a bystander being struck

@ladonnaghareeb4609

2 жыл бұрын

My husband and I agree fully!

@ratagris21

2 жыл бұрын

You shouldn't be in the path of the flying rounds in the civil unrest.b

@adamkaminski

2 жыл бұрын

There are some. This week I watched a video of 14 yo girl dead by a bullet that a cop missed from the purp, went through the wall and killed her. On Active Self Protection channel.

I'd like to see you test the 147 grain 9mm flat points, "the poor man's defense load." 😅

"Jelly time" , I love it ! The video was great as usual , and the results were pretty impressive for fmj rounds . I always wondered about the performance of these type of rounds , and like you said , they'll do the job if that's all you've got . Good Job

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👊

Cowboys didn't have hollow points.

Back in the "stopping power" days where Marshall and Sanow collected data and reported what they compiled, FMJ in 9mm and .45 ACP were both in the 60% range. .38 Special round nose lead was almost 60% running in the high 50s. What shuts bad guys down may not always be quite what we think it is.

@hardlylivin6602

5 ай бұрын

Was there a distinction made between "psychological stops" and "physical stops"? Psychological meaning that once the bad guy was shot, he lost all urge to continue fighting due to fear of being shot again. And physical means the projectiles did enough damage to physically force the bad guy to stop against his will.

@johnnorman7708

3 ай бұрын

No distinction was made. Just the fact they ceased to function. Probably no honest way to divide the two. A lot of data submitted could not be used because critical details couldn't be confirmed. It was not a perfect database but was as good as could be assembled. Civilian, Police, and war time shooting reports tend to indicate vast differences in psychology. All that might prove is that the quantifying of anything psychological in regards to why a person ceased to function is almost impossible.

Jelly Time! Toolman I'm liking this more and more, BETTER & BETTER!!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

💥💨💥

Thanks for the video. Very informative. As you probably know the 124 grain is what the 9 mm auto was designed to shoot. Regarding over penetration, I wouldn’t worry about it. You’ll probably just take out another bad guy. Two 4 one! Now that Shoot’n.

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

😎👊

Another great video. I've always wondered about the .40 flat point fmj versus the ball type fmj

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. Pretty surprising.

In my .45, a RIA 1911, I have been using FMJ standard ball ammo. It runs in the pistol like a champ. It starts out about as large as many hollow points open up to. And it has twice the weight of most 9mm's. I feel OK using .45 FMJ as a defensive round. It looks like 9mm would do it a pinch. Thats not surprising, 9mm FMJ has been in use as long as .45. Both will get the job done if it's what you got.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Yessir. It will definitely do the job.👍

Thank you for the video. It came in handy answering a question from someone about preference in using JHP or FMJ in self defense, when budget is the limiting factor. I linked your video in my reply, and made sure to credit you in my response. Thanks again.

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that!

I’ve always wondered how the projectiles looked afterwards. Thanks for the research man.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Not a lot of difference on these FMJ. Appreciate you bigtime brother!😎👊

Great idea with all this crazy stuff going on can't hurt. Thanks Tools

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate ya brother.👍

If that's all I got, then that's what I'm using! I can see where FMJ could be used if you have to shoot through a door or windshield or some other barrier and still be able to stop a bad dude. I keep mags loaded up with both, if someone is trying to break down my door to cause harm FMJ it is and A LOT OF IT! lol! As with any situation you have to know what will work best in that particular situation! These tests you do help a lot in gaining knowledge to what these different types of ammo is capable of, just have to apply it to your own situation! Thanks for sharing your tests!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Mag dump city!💥💥💥💥

Was at aftermath of Australian SOF IN NAM HE WAS INSIDR AN armored car expanded everything but browning high-power with fmj he survived there were 9 dead VC & he had 2 rounds left I was impressed I was a door gunner for 189th ahc ,so was fairly familiar with gunfights ,just saying damn good shooting & long on balls

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate y'alls service to the country brother!👊

Military been using ball -FMJ. For ever. They work

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Yessir. They'll perforate a bad guy without a doubt.

Very good information T&T! Thanks for all your efforts and videos! Always enjoy your videos. Thanks again and God bless you.....

I carry critical defense at all times and have other hollow points as well. This was cool to compare FMJ to hollow points so thanks for doing this video! It’s Jelly Time!! 😁 keep up the good work Tools!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you ma'am. Im definitely a hollow point fan.👍

@michaelsmith4325

Жыл бұрын

I carry the critical duty at all times hornady makes some of the best hollow points you can get the fbi uses critical duty so do tons of secret service members police and obviously civilians so you know it’s some good shit 😂

I enjoy all of your vids. No nonsense and JUST THE FACTS. Thanks!

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

Appreciate that.😎👊

Hey tools enjoyed your live cast yesterday you touched on a lot of great subjects....as to FMJ Ammo ....the way times are and are going to be....All my ammo is now defense ammo....when I was an M.P. in the early 80s we used 230 gr. BALL IN OUR 1911a1s....I felt confident that colt 1911#2334823 would end the threat of any Bad guy...i feel confident with Ball ammo ....placement is everything...keep up the great work tools! 😀❤🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. I agree, placement is key.👍

Looking back on this, that 124gr is nice lol! be interesting to see the 124 nato vs the m1152 active duty! hope ya havin a good weekend brother! 💥💥

Thanks tools good info. That is about twice the penetration of the tests you did with the hollow point. And I agree we always had to be concerned on what's behind. So thanks again for the info

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. Definitely a big penetration difference.👍

If you're wanting to use 9mm FMJ, it's best to use 147 gr. FMJ, as you get less penetration and better wounding, without over penetration, like the lighter rounds.

@I.AM.ON.MY.WAY.

5 ай бұрын

Another good thing about 147s is how soft they shoot, especially out of a duty sized pistol, I was shooting some FMJ 147 gr. Out of a 4.25” barrel last weekend and was pleasantly surprised when I realized how little it snapped compared to 115 gr. That’s the main reason my EDC ammo is Federal 147 gr. Premium JHPs.

Today was my sons bday I grilled chicken , we did more plinking than I’ve done in 2 years and did an orange boomer too was one of his presents lolz, thx for the work tools 🇺🇸👍😎

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Nice!😎

The Winchester white box! I have this stuff for my .45 in both FMJ and JHP! You listening to feedback and testing practical applications in possible real-world scenarios is awesome. PSA has a 1500 count 9mm NATO spec sale right now that would be great for training and SHTF scenarios. Ammo is better than no ammo, FMJ or not. Thanks for the test! Respect 👍

Jelly time

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

💥😎💥

@ratagris21

2 жыл бұрын

Get giggy with it!!!🏁☯️🎩♠️

Plenty of people have met the Reaper by way of FMJ rounds. Not ideal but viable in some situations.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely.👍

Cool video, thanks. I appreciate the gel test, keep on shooting.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir.😎

If that's all I had, and could not find anything else, I would pack it. I wouldn't feel undergunned at all. It would be interesting to see a 45acp FMJ vs a 10mm FMJ in the ballistic gel.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Hmm, Good idea. The next gel test going live is a 10mm vs .40S&W hollow point. Very interesting.👍

You need nothing else. Period. No more to talk about. ❤🎉🎉🎉 Thanks!

Fmj have really good penetration and do really well against barriers where expanding ammo might not. So if it what you have to use fear not it will work. Shot placement crucial anyhow. A fmj in the vitals beats a jhp in attackers arm. I use hollow points in my handguns but if I lived in a place where I could not I’d just use fmj flat point of some kind. Nice video.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.👍 Thank you sir.

@Wolf_killa10

Жыл бұрын

I carry FMJ live in an urban environment where people can hide behind cars,trucks, etc. Used to carry hollow points but I realized their penetration power was limited

People obsess with their hollow point bullets. Yes I have some but I have no problem using FMJ they will still mess up the bad guy. Some people act like you might as well be throwing cotton balls at the bad guy if you're using FMJ.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Very true. FMJ will definitely get the job done.

@aftnotmydog306

2 жыл бұрын

It's not talked down on because it's not deadly. Sure it's deadly, but it doesn't perform how we prefer self defense loads to perform. It over penetrates, doesn't dump enough of its energy, and makes a smaller hole. The overpenetration is the biggest concern, a 9mm fmj could easily go through someone and still be lethal after passing through. You can take that into consideration and work around it but it presents more limitations.

@viscious_uv2

2 жыл бұрын

Ha Ha WELL SAID!

@RevGunn-jq3cq

2 жыл бұрын

Some bad guys deserve to be shot cheapest steel fmj you can find

@buzsalmon

2 жыл бұрын

@@RevGunn-jq3cq Hey Rev.Gunn I never thought about that before! DAMN Straight! I love it!!

Nice vid as usual! Love the education. It is hilarious when I hear people say ball ammo is not effective. Heck, 22LR can be deadly if placement is right! I have hollow point and fully believe they are safer and hopefully you only take out your intended target. But if you shoot someone with ball ammo it will do far more than just tickle! Thanks again. I always look forward to your vids!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. They would definitely change a bad attitude in a hurry.

@blackticalmayhem8461

2 жыл бұрын

it is Not as effective as JHP. USE what is MOST Effective . in a SHTF scenario yes if that is all you have then fmj is better than nothing .

I only carry non +p fmj in my EDC (Glock 26). I have almost 4,000 rounds of fmj through it with only one ftf (brand new magazine). I have no doubt that the Magtech that I've always shot at the range will function when I need it most.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

😎👍

Good comparison. I never knew exactly how they would perform. Still wouldn’t want to be shot with either. Thanks for the video and information.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. I definitely wouldn't wanna be ventilated by em.

I'd like to have seen the trifecta with the 147 gr ball. It's typically quoted as much slower.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Didn't even think of that.😆

@kirkfranks1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets Yes do this test too.

@blackticalmayhem8461

2 жыл бұрын

i think it would penetrate more right? because of the weight.

@charlestwyman9933

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Tools …. Thanks for your unending effort in educating those of us that don’t have the ability to do the testing you do. Including 147gr. 9mm and . 380acp would be helpful if you can manage it. Thanks Again !

@pedrobossio5440

2 жыл бұрын

147gr is slower and does penetrate even more. It's a weight/speed ratio at play.

Very good information thank you for making the video. As a rule in my carry pistols I load the first 3 rounds with hollow points and the rest with ful-metal jacket. Because after the first shot, everyone wants to take cover. And I want bullets that will penetrate doors chairs tables etc. Even my backup magazine is all full metal jacket.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. Not a bad idea.👍

@adamsaylor7427

Жыл бұрын

HST and Critical Duty are designed for hard barriers

@adrianj-zp8ys

Жыл бұрын

Dumbest shit I've ever heard

Hollow point could be a better choice but many don’t expand. I used both 158 gain 38 spl works 9mm nato fmj. Worked great. Bullet do there on thing once they hit the target.

What I get outta this is that if you gotta use FMJ, which have been used in war by the military for more than a century, it's not necessarily a bad thing to have two holes in the target. I think an adversary is likely to drop faster that way. That doesn't account for what hurt the projectile might do after exiting the target, but if FMJ is all you got, you only have two choices... pull that trigger or not. Hopefully you might have a tick of time to evaluate what's behind the target. Also, if you gotta use FMJ, would not a larger caliber be a better choice? Two bigger holes? Maybe a little less velocity to help reduce the negative potential of overpenetration?

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Good points. I may need to do a test using some .45acp FMJ.👍

@SootHead

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets We think alike! I had .45ACP in mind when I wrote it. Not that I'm biased or anything ( : < ).

@terrytolentino5459

2 жыл бұрын

🤣 2 Holes in the target! 👍

I have done a lot of 9mm testing on feral hogs. They will only fall to ball. They soak up HST’s and gold dot like a sponge.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

💥🐷💥

@Meh-hr7gq

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets 😂. I think it’s the tough hides that causes HP’s to over expand too soon and limits penetration. Just my theory.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

@@Meh-hr7gq Interesting 🤔

great test sir, Thanks.!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Appreciate you checkin it out!😎

Great video. This is a real question for some of us that aren't made of money or can't find HP's. Thank you

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. It would definitely get the job done.👍

*THE FLUKE ANOMOLY might have been a combination of two anomalies: tumbling bullet combined with compression detonation of the gel. This can also be called dieseling. The impact pressure actually sometimes detonates the natural fuel in the organic ballistic gel.... This Detonation or Dieseling effect does not occur in live animal tissue. OCCASIONALLY a high speed camera can also catch the flash of gel detonation... AFTER, the effect a flight path might be charred, scorched, or darkened.*

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

I've caught the ignition on a couple of videos. It doesn't seem to happen until you get a much higher velocity rifle speed.👍

At the end of the day a bullets a bullet but when it comes down to it shot placement is key

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely

Based on my experience as an old US Army 91B - Combat Medic - using an FMJ is fine by me. I have 2 Glocks on my nightstand; old G17 loaded with HP & my new G19 loaded with S&B 150gr FMJ. The 150's are subsonic, so won't hurt your ears as much when shot indoors. Great video; gel tests are always cool.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. They both definitely have their strengths.👍

@chuckhaggard1584

2 жыл бұрын

You'd be vastly better off with a 147gr JHP if you are looking at using a subsonic 9mm load. It will in fact still damage your hearing fired indoors though.

@sinisterthoughts2896

10 ай бұрын

​@@chuckhaggard1584 a lot of 147's struggle to open up since they are so terribly slow.

Hey Tools&Targets - would be cool to take the results of the 9mm (enjoyed that fully) and show us what the venerable .45 230gr Ball would do. I'm a 9 guy myself but given the history of performance, would be interesting to compare - ball to ball (that sounded funny...).

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 That would be "interesting."

Thanks

Greatly informative video....THANKS! I know many will consider this total heresy but many people have been stopped by FMJ ammo and I like knowing I have the necessary penetration for whatever clothing is worn or how large and fat an aggressor is. I want a bullet that penetrates front to back. Besides many JHPs clog and don't expand anyway. So for the difference in cost in "SHIT hits the fan" buying of ammo I'll buy FMJ and not worry too much about it.

@ToolsandTargets

11 ай бұрын

Appreciate that.😎👊

Actually the 124 grain NATO spec is loaded to +P pressure it says on side of box ( this ammo is loaded 10-15% more power than standard 9mm) thats why it was as fast as the 115 grain even though its heavier just an FYI. However loved the video I've been wanting to see what the NATO spec ammo would do in ballistic gel I have some boxes but it's not my carry ammo. great video buddy thanks

I don’t have a problem using FMJ in 45ACP but the 9mm is a little different. Any round capable of producing an exit wound is a waste of energy. A personal opinion of coarse…If I do have to carry 9mm FMJ it’s generally the Winchester NATO 9mm 124gr load. Great video.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir.

@terrytolentino5459

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Waste of energy. 👍

Love your videos I watch your jelly test all the time lol how about some 45 ACP semi-wod cutter lead bullets and compare them to powder coated to my wad cutter bullets that would be a good one!

Its jelly time!!!.. great test as always

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir! 😎

Thanks for the video. Great information. Do you keep a log on the results? Would be cool to compare the penetration on all the 9mm projectiles. How far they went. All the hollow points and the FMJ. I know we ask for a lot. Lol.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

That's actually a good idea. I need to go back through and start writing down the info. I do have an idea for the projectiles after I build up a bunch of em.👍

Good to know Tools. 7 months ago got stuck carry all I had . Will get some hate but steel cased 115 fmj in my Star bm9 . Yeah bad ammo and a dumb pistol. But it works . Thanks Tools, I do have better now , Sierra 124 hp and a good carry for my Berreta.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. Anything is way better than nothing.😎👍

@krisrhebergen

27 күн бұрын

I’ll tell you one thing though. That star might be heavy and limited capacity but they are wonderful pistols with good history.

Keep walking, keep walking, nothing to see here... the tumble was where the wound channel opened up. The military uses FMJs so I really wouldn’t have a problem with it if I ran out of hollow points. You’re the man, Tools!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. I would use em for sure if I needed to.👍

@blackticalmayhem8461

2 жыл бұрын

the military has No choice tho LOL

@brucecoleman7412

2 жыл бұрын

@@blackticalmayhem8461 As I previously stated, per the Geneva Convention.

Your making good videos . Keep it up man ❗️

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate that brother!😎👊

Good and informative video 👍

Thanks I've always been a bit curious

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

😎👍

Great Job, Thank You. Personally I think fmj are under rated. I do carry hollow points, but would not feel under prepared with fmj, especially flat points.

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

Thank you sir.😎👍

That big wound from the one 124gr is where the round tumbled all of them appear to have tumbled but that one just had a massive tumble if i had to guess

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

😎👍

Hollow points are definitely better at pretty much everything when it comes to self defense, but FMJ will work if that's all you have. FMJ is definitely better than a stick or a knife. Many people forget that FMJ with proper shot placement will work better than hollow points that didn't hit the vitals. Train with what you have and carry the best thing you can.

Good stuff Wildman 👏 Love me some jelly time you try .223 vs .308.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. Good idea.👍

Thanks for the video 👍👍👍

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate you checkin it out brother.😎

A round that tumbles offers pretty decent ballistics, as shown in the video. This is why 95 grain round nose .380 does pretty good in the real world. It almost always tumbles.

I live in central America to be more precise in Guatemala a country many of you may not even heard of, the point is that here we're almost forced to go with fmjs because the self defense labeled ammo is super expensive. Fmjs have worked just fine here actually all of the crimes or the majority of them have been comitted in this country with stolen 9mm pistols using fmj rounds.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

They are definitely capable of doing the intended job.👍

@juanpablosaenzcastaneda4643

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets of course they are.

Depends on what situation you find yourself in. FMJ is going to be better for soft barriers such as glass and wood. Also, during the winter it won’t clog up with heavy jackets. Problem is, should the time ever come. You don’t know what situation you are going to find yourself in. Pistol rounds rely on hits to arteries and organs anyways. So shot placement is going to be key in any situation.

I agree with your comment about using range ammo when PD ammo may be unavailable. To me there are two workable solutions that seem to be minimally acceptable in a pinch: first, standard pressure .380ACP flat nose FMJ, and second, 185 gr flat nose 45ACP especially in the officer’s model 1911. My little Colt Defender really functions well with the 185 gr flat nose ammo. I prefer Federal HST loads when I can get them but these two FMJ types would do when all else failed.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Gotta use what you got if needed.😎👍

I'll take HST. Any weight any caliber, given the option.

Obviously 9mm FMJ over penetrates! Do a test of .380 FMJ and .32 FMJ, you might be surprised!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

I'll see what I can do.👍

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardefriend I just happen to have gotten an order in of 68 grain Lehigh extreme defender projectiles in today that I'm going to load up for some testing.😎

@DUTYGRADE

2 жыл бұрын

380 and 32 is trash.

@ladonnaghareeb4609

2 жыл бұрын

@@DUTYGRADE would you care to get shot with either? I know I don't want to set shot with Anything!😉

Need a tshirt with an older clock with the hour, minute, and second hand. With "It's Gelly Time" at every hour marking.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

That's a great idea!😆

In the Army, we had “ball” ammo. Our reasoning was… well, it’s not like I’m gonna shoot em only once…. And it feeds always and pokes through chest carrier magazines, thick clothing and such which is nice!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Yessir.👍

@pedrobossio5440

2 жыл бұрын

... and you don't have to worry about over penetration in combat but have to comply with the Geneva Convention which prohibits HP ammo.

@JohnCNewJr

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedrobossio5440 Yea - I've been out for quite a while but heard that some units are using "controlled expansion" or "Winchester Safety Blossoms" but yea, we had that whole Geneva Convention thing to think about. Curious if that is changing or not - do you happen to know?

@pedrobossio5440

2 жыл бұрын

@@JohnCNewJr I heard that they're finally moving on from the Convention thing and there's a HP round with a crown that they're looking at getting the contract along with new Sig 10MM pistols to replace the M 92.

@blackticalmayhem8461

2 жыл бұрын

@@pedrobossio5440 HUH?? the M9 is already replaced by the (SIG M17/M18 .9MM) NOT 10MM where are you getting this false information From ? LOL

Just curious, but I’ve heard that penetration is a lot more when a flat nose FMJ is used, as opposed to round nose FMJ… It could be interesting as a test!

Limited in handgun availability, my guns have to double for woods defense too An xds and g17... When i go to the woods,. They load with hot flat points.. the new mil spec stuff from winchester usually. But i do have handloaded hard cast . 147 grain chronyed at 1135. .

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Nice. I actually picked up some of that flat nose mil-spec Winchester a few months ago.

You know, I try really hard to avoid firefights at home. Notice that as the barrel (and chamber) heat up, velocities creep up!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

I try to avoid em anywhere.👍

9mm JHP has been easy to find. At 52-60¢ per round it's not too far from what FMJ is, only there's assurance one will expand/stop inside the target and the other zips through and keeps going hitting who knows what. Maybe not. Methinks in January 2020 I bought one last 25 round box (American Gunner) for $16. Still sitting among my stash. I yet have to fire my Fiocchi 147gr JHPs which I've had in my CCW for... 3 years? Here's hoping we'll never have to use it despite the world's gone totally bonkers.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

You got that right brother!👍

@blackticalmayhem8461

2 жыл бұрын

lol yeah i have some of those Fiocchi 147s too good stuff for sure . i prefer the Federal HST 124+P or 147gr .i save those they are like GOLD NOW LOL. i paid $25 for a box of 50 in 2019 at a gunshow lol( good ole days )

Great job works

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir.😎

Appreciate your videos

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking them out!😎

GREAT JOB ! !

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

I just picked up a box of Winchester 115 grain 9mm “service grade” full metal jacket. This stuff has got to be +p+. It’s warm to say the least. My chrono gave up the ghost a few months ago but if I was a betting man I’d say it is over 1300 fps. Have you ever tested the “service grade” in the brown boxes before. That would be interesting!

Hollows in standards,JSP/fmj/underwoods in extendeds for feeding reliability/hard targets

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Good plan.👍

Another great test 👌 just don't want to hurt nothing else besides your target

@ToolsandTargets

Жыл бұрын

😎👍

You can used fmj and if you aimed at the head, face, throat, center of chest, or knees they will be effective

Nice to see tests from back in the day. Did you ever redo this with a clothing barrier ?Thanks

@ToolsandTargets

5 күн бұрын

No, but might not be a bad idea.😎👊

I use both of those rounds quite a bit . Great training round

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely.👍

@blackticalmayhem8461

2 жыл бұрын

i hear they had a recent recall on the new Winchester 9mm FMJ be careful .. i personally prefer Federal Ammo always have.

I carry flat nose in .380 typically, and hollowpoint in 9mm. But, if it’s all I had, I’d run FMJ. I only shoot FMJ out of my 1911 just to make it run 100%, but I don’t carry it often. 38/357 I either carry flatnose or hollowpoint.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Good choices.😎👍

Love this info. I would really like to see more penetration testing on FMJ ammo, especially in 40 s&w. Where I live, and you too, there are black bear and I’d like to see how 40 fmj compares to some of the specialized hard cast ammo when it comes to devastating penetration. Speer lawman and some others have some impressive stats on their fmj. Thanks

@ToolsandTargets

7 ай бұрын

😎👊

Good video. I was wondering what the deal was. Thanks

Definite over penetration, but that wound channel on the first 124 was crazy!

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I don't know what that was all about.🤨

@macriggland6526

2 жыл бұрын

@@ToolsandTargets I think sometimes FMJs tumble.

Can't afford JHP for SHTF, just stacking FMJ to the rafters.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

It'll get the job done.👍

FMJ belong in mouse guns. Maybe try the flat nose FMJ, I know it will still over penetrate but it causes more tissue/bone destruction. Awesome video, thank you.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir. I definitely wanna check out some flat nose stuff now.👍

I would like to see this same test with 45 ACP ball point. Maybe versus 9mm hollow point. I have always wondered what the comparison is.

@ToolsandTargets

2 жыл бұрын

I can definitely do that. Good idea.👍

@mattjaxdad8693

2 жыл бұрын

True, especially since .45 is moving slower around 800 fps for 230 grain.

@pedrobossio5440

2 жыл бұрын

45 ACP Ball killed a lot of Chinese in the Korean war, also in Viet Nam.