My Dad shot in 9.5 when I was a kid, and he had a large collection of movies, which he used to show with regularity. I was living in England at the time, and his camera was a clockwork Pathescope. One problem with 9.5 was that, with the sprocket holes down the centre of the film, the film usually ended up with scratches along the centre of the frames, probably caused by poor mechanisms.

The great thing surely was the format's available picture area! That really clever idea of inter-frame sprocket holes allowed an 8.5mm x 6.5mm picture area, compared to standard 16mm's 10.26 mm × 7.49 mm. That's about 3/4 of 16mm's picture area, at a fraction of the cost - and nearly double standard 8mm's picture area of 4.5mm x 3.3mm. Fascinating the later incarnation had sound too. Would be very interesting to see those cameras and projectors capable of utilising it. Thanks for posting!

Once again, you've hit on a love of mine.... 9.5mm film and their cameras and projectors! Great job, and it 's got me re-interested in repairing my Pathe projector.....I replaced the broken parts, that it needs, from England of course! Thanks

It's refreshing to me that in an era of digital media that there are many who embrace film formats I myself grew up before digital photography came into existence and I do own a DLSR but I've nver lost my love of old school photography

Earl Jernigan of Gainesville, Florida had an impressive collection of old cameras and projectors, including a few 9.5mm models, as well as a few 17.5mm pieces. Jernigan owned a lab and was Tom Petty's uncle. I worked at Russell Film Labs in Jacksonville 1978-80. Earl was a great guy, one of the old school cinema pioneers. He and Gerden Russell were newsreel cameramen back in the 1930s. Gerden started out as a projectionist in 1915 with IATSE card number 1.

@AnalogResurgence

3 жыл бұрын

Oh damn, Tom Petty's uncle!

I recall reading about 9.5mm movie film decades ago, when there were photography magazines, and there was a manufacturer on the scene. I wasn't aware of the cartridge-based 9.5mm film system, but I did own a Fuji Single 8 movie camera in the 1970s. It's biggest advantage over Kodak Super 8 was longer lap dissolves, since you could rewind more of the film back onto the supply spool. (I had an ancient Siemens Double 8mm basic camera, and a bit later, a fabulous Beaulieu MCR-8G.) Thank you for this trip on the WayBack machine, where the 1960's don't seem that long ago.;)

We scan lots of this type of film amateur shot mostly black and white but fine colour too, with a centre sprocket it had a large image area so it’s not surprising how good it actually is, and scans well too but we have a very good scanner which helps and some talc on the old film helps too. Great format I’d love to see it used again.

@ianreed5

9 ай бұрын

Hi Chris, I hope you don't mind but can you tell me where you are based? The reason is we have a number of 9.5mm films that will need to be transfered.

I have a hand-cranked 9.5mm Noris Film Projector. Looks ancient yet unique

We are actually in the process of getting one reel of 9.5mm film digitized. It's of my grandma playing croquet in the early to late 1930s. We found it amongst all of our old film while getting ready to get stuff digitized. The first place we took it to couldn't digitize it but this new place can ("The Digital Convert" outside of Chicago)! I'm very excited to see it and curious about the quality and if those pesky center sprocket holes caused any problems.

What a great little video. At this time I'm a member of a film club in England and there's a group of us going through many of the films shot by previous generations of the club members. Needless to say we have come across several 9.5mm films. Many of them stored in lofts and garden sheds with some of the cans being rusty and hard to open not even knowing what state the contents would be in. We have also managed to repair an old Specto 9.5/16mm projector and have found a world of delights. Films of celebrations of King George the VI and film on 9.5 from October 1924 of a carnival. The main problem we now face is preserving these precious films and digitising them. But that's another story. Thank you again for you little video.

So, there is a package coming to you with the early 9.5 Pathe camera, and 9.5 cartridge of film ( although it’s for the later, slightly larger camera ) and an off brand of developed film in the Pathe Baby projector film cartridge. It was mailed from Wisconsin, so with Customs, it might take a few weeks. Enjoy?

@AnalogResurgence

2 жыл бұрын

Incredible!!

@AnalogResurgence

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Donald I received the package the other day and it's very very cool! Thank you so much!

@donaldlampert331

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnalogResurgence wow, that got there fast! Enjoy!

Just in the last couple of days rebuilt my wife's families Pathescope Ace projector and run a large reel (about 7 inches) through last night - after adjusting the position of the 19V bulb I got a fair image which I think I can improve by more darkness in the room and a better screen. Hopefully my digital camera will be able to record the image. We have the camera as well. The film run last night had my wife aged 3 on the beach - so 68 years ago. Many more reels but they do run through quickly.

Never heard of 9.5mm film. Sorry, in case someone else has said this. Just got back from the pub. Man, I hope that this channel goes far. I used to only use film because we are poor and never went digital in the noughties but I really now appreciate the chemistry and history behind it all. Keep up the good work

Bolex actually made a 9.5 mm version of their H16mm models in the 1940's. I saw one camera show up eBay years ago. Don't remember what it went for. Here in Texas there was a couple who were really into 9.5 mm filmmaking. They acquired film stock from a fellow in England. They even had a Pathe Pro camera that was converted from 16mm to 9.5. I met them several times when I worked on their film projectors.

@alanbrookes8716

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Bolex H16 was also produced in 9.5 as the Bolex H9.5, and in Regular 8 as the Bolex H8. The H8 was very popular because you could use 100 ft. spools, which gave you four times as much time as the 25 ft. ones. I had a Bolec H16 converted to the Pan-16 format, which used the same width as 16mm and the same height as 8mm, so you got widescreen without anamorphics. I also used this format with the Bolex stereo (3D) attachment, which gave me 3D with the same frame size as 8mm for about the same price as Super-8.

Great Info! I never knew about 9.5 mm.

9.5 mm negatives were on 35 mm stock, three up, with additional perforations down the edges which fed the film’s through the printer. After processing the prints were slit to produce three 9.5 mm strips, plus two narrow strips of waste down the edges.

@rock-steadi-cam5058

Жыл бұрын

I believe Kodak came up with 16mm specifically so you COULDN'T do this - with the sprocket holes on 35mm film, you can't get two 16s out of it. The reason: to prevent amateurs from ending up with the rather dangerous nitrate-base film.

I just picked up a Pathescope Kid projector that came with a dozen or so 2inch and 2.5inch reels. Also included was a 1st edition Pathescope Film Catalogue from 1933, an instruction manual with english on one side and Chinese on the other , a Pathex cartridge with film that looks almost white, unused film. A 3inch slicer with a wood base and an interesting little vice mechanism. Unfortunately the power supply is unusual with a wooden plug, not sure what its missing and the bulb is missing. Need to find an alternative light source.

The relaunched Ferrania said they wanted to make 9.5 (aka 9,5)mm film, including color, but are not there yet. 3M/Ferrania was one of the last companies to make 9,5mm film and a few unopened rolls are for sale on eBay as of this posting. Sadly, few of the cameras did 24 frames per second and most of the projectors have an issue where the bulbs can only be so bright or they'll ruin the film. I just saw a video where someone modified a projector with a LED light and to was one of the best 9,5mm projectors around because you could see what was not he frame better. We'll see if Ferrania or someone else at least make black and white 9,5mm film as there are plenty of working cameras out there. Glad to catch up with this video.

Loved the video! Thanks!

I heard about 9.5 a few years ago. I play with 35mm and I keep examples of most of the primary formats. 8mm, s8mm, 9.5mm, 16mm, 35mm, 70mm (imax-15/70). film is fun

Thanks, great info! Recently received a cache of 20-30 9.5mm home movies from a diplomats visit to Europe in the 1920s. Nobody knows what’s on them, so hoping to get them projected!

Never knew this. Very cool. Thanks

Thanks, thats a bit more than I already knew about 9.5mm film

I’m going on memory, so I might be wrong. I do remember seeing Pathe Webo cameras. Which had the same body. But the factory made standard 8, super 8, 9.5 and 16. (I’ve the 16 for 40 plus years. Anyway I think I remember some ads for more modern cameras like Beaulieu 6008 and 7008 having 9.5mm as well as the more popular Super 8. I don’t know If Beaulieu factory made a limited run or a special order. Or a 3rd party.

I love your channel!!!

There are 9.5 mm slitters/perforators about but sadly [from a UK perspective] there are not enough 9.5 cinematographers to keep the guage going .[same unfortunately for DS8].9.5mm film has been produced recently [2018] in Spain & Germany.I also have a Pathe 9.5 punch & die assembly [rescued from Pathe UK 1960] & I might be looking at a complete Murray 9.5 slitting & perforating machine possibly to recomission for 9.5mm production once again.I took over Larry Pearce's [LGP Photo-Cine] 8mm Buko perforators that continue to earn me a modest living.Super 8 outsells R8 by about 50 to 1 & a number of current suppliers have slimmed down their R8 offerings.Many smaller suppliers/manufacturers have appeared for super 8 as this is where the demand is.

Very interesting never knew 9.5mm film existed.

i had my hands on a 9.5mm print on a huge reel in a thrift store here in orlando....., but it was so damaged i wouldn't try to run it in a projector if i had one

I have some of these Pathex home movie prints! I know I've at least got a Harold Lloyd and an Our Gang film but I don't know if I have any others. Sadly I don't have a 9.5mm projector.

I found a fragment of 9.5mm silent print with czech subtitles and intertitles way back in mid 90s. It is some french movie, probably from early 30s. It's printed on safety film stock.

I’d never forget it

Hi mate, great video again. But just saying, and not to sound too nitpicky, we don't pronounce the "h". So we say "Paté" instead of "Pathé" like you said. I think they added the "h" not to confuse the film studio with the food. Cheers from France mate! 🍻

Profi ........ Topp !

Wow, 1920s Blockbuster, but with 9.5 film..

you have high-lighted the rewind handle...

I saw this video and when you mentioned a machine that could perforate and cut down 9.5mm film, it reminded me of something my family inherited when my grandma from my dad's side passed away (1919-1989). During WWII, my grandma was in the Philippines during this time. I am told that she always shot on countless motion picture films during the 40s and 50s. Though all the films were lost, there is one peculiar thing that was left of her hobby. It was a small metal plate with a mechanism affixed to the center. I believe that it had a spool holder for a larger film format (35mm maybe? Not sure) on one side and had 2 take up spools on the other. I think that it is a film cutter for 9.5mm or 8mm? It has a crank on the right hand side and when you turn it, I think that it winds the film through and it is sliced by a blade (though all is left is the 2 screws that once held a blade in place) and an arm that levitated above the freshly cut film would come down and punch a square the center (or side?). It has latches on the side so I am guessing a case was supposed to go over it to light proof it or something? DOES ANYBODY KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT? I CAN'T FIND ANYTHING ONLINE AND I HAVE NO IDEA IF IT IS A FILM CONVERTER OR A RAPID COOKIE CUTTER! The machine is in awful condition and is missing so many parts. It doesn't have a label or plaque. It's about 9 by 9 inches (the plate) and it is the color black (or at least before humidity and moisture got to it). Could it be some Filipino manufactured machine never accounted for? I think after watching this video that I want to repair it now! Though, it better not be an industrial cookie cutter...

@homemoviearchives

4 жыл бұрын

You have any pictures of it?

@thatrecord5313

4 жыл бұрын

I have no idea where it is, though the person responsible for handling it and storing it away will be coming next week (My aunt). Besides, even if I did have photographs, you can't exactly put them in KZread comments.

@homemoviearchives

4 жыл бұрын

@@thatrecord5313 No worries. If you ever get to find it again you can put photos up for free and just link them here for us to have a look. Example of where to upload to: postimages.org/

@alanbrookes8716

4 жыл бұрын

A friend of mine, who passed away many years ago, had a machine that would turn single-perf 16mm film to double-perf. He used it with his Bolex H-8 movie camera.

@edwardnowill4408

4 жыл бұрын

@@alanbrookes8716 Larry Pearce?

is it still available ? these formats need to come back

I was just given a ton of exposed film from the 1920s that had been stored for decades!

I just purchased a Pathescope 9.5mm camera that has a stuck shutter and winder, but comes with its cartridge and I would love to have it fixed, if its even possible and to get film for it, just so the camera doesnt sit in the corner. Or stand. Or Sit on a stand

I just inherited a whole bunch of 9 1/2 mm film so thanks so much for this video is very helpful. Can I ask you one big favor? What software do you use to edit your videos? I love the effects that you do and I have no idea how people do these things. Can you please tell me what software do you use for editing videos like this one. Thanks so much.

What happened to Todd AO 65 mm format

@rovene46

2 жыл бұрын

I am after a 9.5mm splicer kit. I have commercial and home movies, due to their age there a lot of break

Really interesting, I had no idea about this format! but I rather focus on super 8mm or super 16mm, it seems pretty dead already

Colloquially and more often known as Nine Point Five. Pathe also released 17.5, 28 & 32 mm variants.

@rustyone9054

11 ай бұрын

And also known as 'nine five', so users of the format were 'nine fivers'.

I have about 50 rolls of 9.5mm any ideas where is good to scan it?

@AnalogResurgence

5 жыл бұрын

There are a bunch a places around the world that will offer scanning of 9.5mm so it really depends on where you are and how much you're looking to spend. Some places that I've seen are: www.filmrescue.com/home-movie-transfer/ niagaracustomlab.com/?page_id=311 moviescan.co.uk/product/30-feet-of-9-5mm-film-digitised/ www.tvv.co.uk/pathe-9-5mm-film-scanning/

Do you have an original French Pathex 9.5 movie camera? If not, I’d be happy to send you one with the clockwork winder attached. These are heavy units, and at this point, most of the leather has worn and fallen off then, so you have an aluminum body….., but they do still run pretty well!

@AnalogResurgence

2 жыл бұрын

I don't actually own any 9.5 stuff! I've looked into it before and there's some really beautiful ones from that period and I've thought of revisiting the topic eventually as well! I know there have been efforts made by people to bring the film back on a small scale, but I don't think there's anything available at the moment.

@donaldlampert331

2 жыл бұрын

@@AnalogResurgence if you’d like, I’ll send you one of the original 1923 Continsouza made 9.5 cameras, and a film cartridge?!

@AnalogResurgence

2 жыл бұрын

@@donaldlampert331 That would be very very generous of you! There is a P.O. Box setup for the channel if you would like to send something. Noah Henderson PO BOX 99900 YG 434 149 RPO ELLERBECK TORONTO, ON M4K 0A2

peut être une réponse a votre question sur le film 9.5mm colorcity.fr/pack-pellicule-et-developpement/22-662-pellicule-95mm-developpement.html#/146-reference_pellicule-fuji_velvia_15m_100_iso

You seem to be into the history of film. Movie film to be exact. Do you know about Kodak's efforts to add sound to Super Eight film? They must have spent to develop the system. A new camera, a cassette tape recorder wired up to this camera, and a way to attach the sound to the film and then project it with the sound. VHS came out about the same time and you know what happened then. /bad timing on Kodak's part, I'd say. Another bad episode in history was when Kodak perfected the digital camera.

A Super 8mm + 9.5mm film to video producer: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZK2B1LGkj7rXoMY.html

Lovely information and don't mind the jump cut style but you squish the talking together so much that it is difficult to keep up - allow your voice to breathe a little!

Motion film is already so expensive, the only format i might afford is single frame animation. Current development tanks and chemicals are complete larceny. Who can afford $50 a minute?

It's called nine point five mm buddy, not nine and a half 🙂

Here is a video with a 9.5mm perfing machine: kzread.info/dash/bejne/mptqo6Slj6q7j6g.html It is 13 years old though

I purchased a Pathe' Baby a few years ago and restored it. It came with some 1927 home movies. Here is a telecine video I made of some of the footage kzread.info/dash/bejne/goWAlq9yfdvAnqw.html.

Was a shame it was superseded by 8mm/Super 8. I find the quality to be very similar to 16mm as it had a larger capture area on film. I did a telecine of a Mickey Mouse movie called The Mail Pilot made in 1933 which was on 9.5mm if you want to take a look (Note, the film wasn't in good condition sadly): kzread.info/dash/bejne/i3ui2LWggdnQnLQ.html

@xander1052

2 жыл бұрын

I happen to own a similar reel of a micky mouse movie, we however haven't been able to run the 9.5mm projector in a while as it's metal belt connecting the hand crank to the reels isn't in working order, we got it originally in case someone decided to request transfer of 9.5 lol

9.5 mm really? Interesting.

Lovely video, pity about the nice format , though