#85 Tim Humble: Jinn, Shaytan, Magic & Movies
In this bonus episode, Faisal and Sam are joined by Muhammad Tim Humble who discusses jinn, magic, shaytan, movies & more. Regular episodes will resume from Friday.
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I met Tim Humble during Hajj last year. Funniest way. I walk into the elevator give my Salams to everyone (with my head down). I hear a very familiar voice, but don't pay any mind to it. As we get out the elevator and start walking to the masjid he passed me. I had to grab him and give him salams again and make dua for him. He was very nice, I apologized for bothering him, but the shaykh seems very genuine. May Allah reward him for his efforts ameen
@Basheer245
4 жыл бұрын
Ma sha Allah, that's great. He's one of my favorite people alive... may Allah continue to bless him.
@thetruthwithproof8802
3 жыл бұрын
👿 S-atanist Method Exposed it is strongly believed by many EXORCISTS a person who is working with JINNS can tell you about things you have done in the past with the help of your DEVIL The Prophet p.b.u.h told us a DEVIL is put with every person when they are born till they die ( Muslim 6759 ) This method is used by EVIL people who then claim they know your future & unfortunately people fall for they lies after being impressed with they knowledge on your history
@dbm903
3 жыл бұрын
Omg Really , Ma’sha’Allah how amazing. I can recognize his voice in 100000s of people. In’sha’Allah one day Allah swt makes it happen for us to attend his class Aameen
@sykesyke5786
3 жыл бұрын
@@Basheer245 kzread.info/dash/bejne/gX2nzpWokryqj9o.html
@Farhan-sp4mf
3 жыл бұрын
@@thetruthwithproof8802 ok . But whatDoes it have to do with the post about meeting him, smh . There’s a time and place and context to talk about everything
Tim Humble - a man who is clearly upon the sunnah in all aspects of his life, alhamdulillaah.
@watch13famouspeoplewhoacce45
4 жыл бұрын
⚠️ The truth is, the ONLY sect which will enter paradise is the one that follows QURAN & HADITH. Every Sect claims to be following the QURAN & HADITH : Yet the sect all but 1 are following will be teaching against the QURAN & HADITH on many matters. The main problem is people connect to a sect & then end up going along with whatever they have been taught. No person should join a sect, we should follow Allahs order QURAN & HADITH ONLY : IF a person IGNORES joining any sects & instead STRICTLY follows the QURAN & HADITH, after a while people will start naming him as a member of a sect, Which l am not going to mention now : However this PROVES which SECT is CORRECT. So the Way to be successful is follow QURAN & HADITH Only ⛔️ Not SECT ⛔️
@ghurabaa114xx
4 жыл бұрын
@@watch13famouspeoplewhoacce45 Manhaj Salaf As-Saliheen
@johnlewis2026
4 жыл бұрын
@@ghurabaa114xx Allaahuma barik. Well said.
@HA-the-illest
3 жыл бұрын
Del boy.. this time next year we'll be.... MUSLIMS
@mohbomran7087
3 жыл бұрын
@IF this doesn’t mean that hadiths shouldn’t be studied, hadiths and sunnah are the extensions of Quran.
When ever i see the Sheikh's lectures i tend to press like before watching, i learnt a lot from him and i make dua for him.
@johnrazna2381
5 жыл бұрын
@alx799 u can call him shaykh.
14:40 Packaging speech of the scholars for different audiences 19:18 Be careful who you learn from 27:00 How to choose who to learn from 31:33 Guy on the getting slightly annoyed by middle guy putting shoe towards him 32:21 Two types of knowledge; essential and voluntary. Look for and drain resources in your locality before travelling for knowledge 37:06 Pivoting convo to black magic and shaitan, whats feared for teens of this generation is the movies promoting evil things and horror films promoting fear of shaitan 39:16 biggest sins not always most worthy of worry, fear showing off, fearing gateways into worse sins. Movies impactful! Society changed with the movies; spreading culture. Social media. Want to copy people, aspire to certain lifestyles. 42:30 not horror movies, disney cartoons worry the most. Kids can't understand reality from fantasy yet. All these stories built upon magic, adultery, disbelief, not conspiracy its right there see it. Normalizing sins on kids. 48:50 Are they planning out this submliminal messaging? Is there agenda? Disney things, feminine male hosts 51:30 Avoiding "conspiracy theory" to avoid umbrella rejection of truth. Film studios documented to have liberal political agendas. Not necessarily some devil worshipper pulling strings behind scenes, rather the agenda is instinctive result of following shaitan (Yes I agree). They may believe that they doing good 53:34 Degeneration of morals 54:34 Lets talk magic. Types of people to learn bout it; some want to be entertained, some scared to know about it even. It exists, fact of life, protect family and avoid the problem. Ruqiyah is suitable for sickness and problems 57:17 I think he is talking Alister Crowley 58:19 Went with Sheikh to Museum of Magic in Cornwall 61:50 the vibe of being around this sort of stuff 63:12 Jinn shapeshifters, talking about experiences but qualifying our words. Experience is not an evidence, just an experience you had 66:16 Jinns living preferences (places uninhabited by people). Duas for keeping safe from Jinn (and so jinn aren't defecated on). If you ask for protection, let your actions be congruent that you actually want it. Have to do your part, which is part of trusting in Allah. Part of the test. 72:15 Adhkar should engage the heart, do it a lot to develop it and the armor. Teach children adhkar by doing it for them. 74:28 (dua for children that Prophet SAW used to say to Hasan RA and Hussein RA) 76:02 Don't know too much about the Jinn. What we know is from hadith. REgarding magicians that practice, they go as an act of their worship (disgusting). 77:52 Letters number symbols? Don't mean anything except a persons obedience to the shaitan. Sometimes meaning but sometimes. Persian grid magic used in battle, not very effective against muslims. Jinn and Magician scared of each other lol. Letters in grid only show devotion to shaitan (I'm gonna puke). 81:44 "Whats the most bizarre thing you've come across magic wise". Some scary, weird bloody ones, some just weird, some that are surprising in weird way. Everything has a symbol. The more you read on a person, you can usually understand where things came from. Interesting but not needed for treatment. 84:16 Evil Eye. Try keep plans private, where is line between not posting on social media or going too far with too much fear of evil eye. There is an ayah: "As for the blessings of your Lord, tell the people about them" How to reconcile between that and between evil eye protection. There is a middle path. Live life not with too much fear of evil eye and not too much showing off. Middle path. Ask yourself, am I showing the blessings of Allah or am I just asking for the evil eye. Give an actual benefit rather than showing off. Humble doesn't tell anyone about what his kids do, not even their grandparents out of fear of evil eye. You know some people are well wishers, and actually happy for people, some people you know are just jealous. Sometimes giving sadaqh on camera is justified, but really ask yourself. try to keep all of them private, even from wife, even so your left hand doesn't know what your right hand gave. 91:44 As long as you can go on day of judgement and say Oh Allah I did this this this because You said to. 92:22 how Humble manages his kids egos and entitlement. Don't raise kids to grow up living life what people like or don't like. That is terrible for your character, you become worse than sheep, you have no opinions. We need trailblazers within the frame of Islam with leadership qualities. Don't be scared of being who you want to be. Form your character before jumping in front of a camera. Takes strength of character. 97:23 When you became muslim, did you have someone to look up to? Humble felt alone at first but when he traveled he met others. Feeling of being alone, does it make push you away. 100:13 Feel like society is going opposite direction of where you are trying to go. We will be raised alone. Pay off your debts before you die. 106:27 Leaving you family, in case of you untimely death, with some sort of guidance in what to do. A profound thing to think about. Reality of death. Writing instructions of what to do if die. 109:41 Allah give my Mom the highest of ranks in paradise Ameen. Janazah story. You got what you put forward. Actually, its better to let spouse wash the body, there is a hadith. 114:37 Graveyards have always been places where people lost their proper religious beliefs 117:00 Ruqya should be used as a treatment for a sickness not necessarily routinely. Shaytan take advantage of what is already within you. Not going to tempt gambling to someone who doesn't even like it. He sees a guy has a soft spot for the ladies (all men basically) and gonna make it worse, commit zina and the like. This acknowledgment is a weapon for us to correct our own basic flaws. Shaytan intensifies your flaws. 119:00 don't blame everything on evil eye. Otherhand, don't turn blind eye when you have blatant jinn issues. My own questions. Do Jinn have different races and personalities? Like some are nice, some mean, some big some small, some high class some low, etc. What kinds of jobs do they have, what kinds of sports do they play or hobbies do they have other than trying to influence and pick on humans. What are symptoms of having Jinn problems?
@sharonakilah8876
4 жыл бұрын
ry coolhead Alhamdulillah thank you
@adzjr_1004
4 жыл бұрын
Don't think anyone is gonna read all of that😅 but jazakallakhair anyways
@usmanbashir9001
3 жыл бұрын
Allah hu alim.. don’t quote me on this however I’m sure they do have their own world parallel to ours so potentially yes they would vary e.g some good some bad
@skywalkersohan8656
3 жыл бұрын
According to the book of jinn by Jalaliddin suyuti(R) there are different types of jinns
@skywalkersohan8656
3 жыл бұрын
Also yes they have different personalities
I'm from Cornwall. If any of you brothers and sisters are ever there please let me know Inshaa'Allah we'll take good care of you. Visit out Masjid (It's the most Southern masjid in the UK) in an a place called 'Carnon Downs'. I took my shahaadah there alhumdulilah.
@ahmedw5
5 жыл бұрын
Faisal you gotta get this brother on aswell. Salam Aleikum Sam.
@ArabicwithSam
5 жыл бұрын
@@ahmedw5 Wa'alaykum as-salaam :)
@nosubjectivity-intellectan8233
5 жыл бұрын
Bro get on the podcast with faisal
@nawabahmed5400
4 жыл бұрын
Is this a general invitation ? I love travelling Allah willing.
@ArabicwithSam
4 жыл бұрын
@@nawabahmed5400 of course! If you come down to Cornwall, I'll have the brothers tske care of you inshaaAllah 👍🏻❤
Something about Sheikh Tim Humble...keeps you really engaged whenever he's speaking 👌
@kuragididat3402
3 жыл бұрын
He has that gift, captivating and easy to listen to, I feel the same about Abu Usama as well and Hanif if I got his name right
When you learn knowledge from someone, don't forget to benefit from his manner too. Ustaadh Muhammad Tim Humble hafidhahullaah ta'aalaa has beautiful manner, maa shaa Allaah Allaahumma baarik lahu. May Allaah make it easy for us to attain knowledge from the right sources and to rectify our manners too.
@ghurabaa114xx
4 жыл бұрын
Aameeeeeeen
Its Sam!!!! Alhamdulilah Wallahi i have missed you Sam. Not only that, but also Tim Humble Subhan Allah i cant WAIT to listen to this.
The vid starts on 14.30 if anyone is wondering
@Narutouzumaki-ep6xk
5 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😂🤣
@whisperingwhiskerss4877
3 жыл бұрын
rude
@neelamperveen1854
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks 😂😂😂😂
@najmasabrifysal920
3 жыл бұрын
So helpful. I really don't understand what the initial part is meant for.
@ImtiazAhmed-re8ng
3 жыл бұрын
Thanks
SubhanAllah it’s always interesting to listen to Muhammad Tim Humble whatever topic he speaks on. His way of presenting his speech is so motivational that you can’t just stop listening.
@ghurabaa114xx
4 жыл бұрын
I agree, he's very good at that! He doesn't mock or make anyone feel attacked, he's very gentle with his guidance maa shaa Allaah
@madztnly2999
3 жыл бұрын
no
I love how Ustaadh Muhammad addressed the issue of being introduced as “Sheikh” with humility when the opportunity arose. May Allah reward and bless him. Ameen.
Intriguing when he spoke about how u want to listen to certain daees more than others because u can resignate with them more, not necessarily because the others are wrong or have less knowledge, but more because u can benefit from them better because of the way they give the knowledge. Everyone should understand this point :)
Always amazing to listen to Brother Tim Alhumdulillah!
Wow the last segment of this podcast was a very refreshing topic. One of the best episodes, for me personally. Well done guys, As Salaamu Alaykum.
Ustadh Tim Humble is amazing May Allah give this brother all the happiness of this world and the next ameen
@samiramousa3598
5 жыл бұрын
امین
@zakiya_arab
3 жыл бұрын
Aameen ya Rabb 🌹
@madztnly2999
3 жыл бұрын
never
This is my favorite episode yet!
Very beneficial, JazakaAllahkhair. May Allah swt reward you brothers for the work you’re doing, Aameen.
all of this information is really golden , thank you!
Asalam va Alykom. I’m glad to see program such as yours exist in social media’s such as KZread etc... keep up good work and mashallah
this was good and helpful Jazak Allah Khayran
One of my most favourite personality...Alhamdulillah TimHumble is very Motivational...
A sha' Allah love the way Tim Humble explains things I used to watch years ago he giving a talk in very good details and I shall watch this podcast again I love to read about some of the Surah and dua that he has said so easy for me to find and gain knowledge and give to someone so all of us get good deed and benefit from may Ash protect us all and show guide us to the correct path. Ameen
JazakhAllahu Khairan! You mentioned very good points how the society has transformed.
Love ustad Muhammed Tim Jazakallah khair for the podcast
Wow this is an amazing episode. I really enjoyed it May Allah reward your efforts
Tim Humble!! I'm soo excitedd!! Freshly Grounded is just the best!
Ustadh Tim Humble ❤️👍
@yooshatarique019
3 жыл бұрын
Hey zabit u have not fought for 1.5 years. When is your next fight. And have u improved your cardio
@madztnly2999
3 жыл бұрын
no
Really nice to see Sam back . Great podcast
@ Freshly grounded. Jazakallah kheyr for this beautiful piece of masterpiece of work that I have to say is very special to me as it sheds light on how much we forget about our departure of this dunya . أحبكم في الله
salam from Indonesia! I love to hear muhammad tim humble preaching and of course freshly grounded as well
The last half hour mostly everything that Tim said I have been thinking constantly for years. ALHAMDULILLAH. He is right. We need to prepare our families for our own death and be practical in every aspect should things happen suddenly. Also he is right, we have not really washed dead bodies and wrapped them and these are the things we need to learn. How to bury inside the grave.
@BLKFZ
3 жыл бұрын
Sam, why you gotta kill Peppa Pig for me?! Never thought of it that way!
really really look up to ustaadh Tim Humble. May Allaah bless him immensely, ameen. So Humble, Allahumma baarik. May Allaah increase him in knowledge, ameen
Amazing podcast, very beneficial! Jazaakumullaahu khayrah.
Mashaallah very interesting and engaging content!! May Allah swt bless you all, may he also guide us all.
love Tim Humble and the other brothers. #goodvibes
Masha Allah brother Muhammad Tim is very Humble!
Oh how I love this podcast ! Assalam aleykoum
I loved this conversation I had to subscribe. I've got so much questions id love to ask.
Mashaa Allah may almighty Allah protect and bless you Tim. Great video. Shukran. 🙏🏽
revisiting this in 2021... mashallah I love these brothers. love the channel. sometimes I wish I was with these brothers... Mashallah
Masha Allah brother Tim is so inspiring
Masha allah a very beautiful pod cast to listen & learn from … Tim humble one of my favourite sheiks , allah swa have mercy on him & the rest of the brothers for spreading the deen . Ameen
Awesome conversation boys may Almighty guide u more to teach us.. that's the zikr where hearts find peace awesome gossip boys
this is my first timr stumbling upom the podcast. i love it.
Asalamu alaikum JazakAllah khair. May Allah accept all this from you, and increase you :)
@smussa1995
5 жыл бұрын
Ameen
@samiramousa3598
5 жыл бұрын
امین
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It is not permissible for any Muslim who something to will to stay for two nights without having his last will and testament written and kept ready with him.” (Narrated by al-Bukhaari, al-Wasaayaa 2533).
This is crazy!!!! Alhamdulliah its nice to see Sam again!!!
ماشاءالله الله یحفظكوم جزاكم الله خيرا و احسن الجزء
Please avoid nonsensical and trivial talk let the Shaikh speak more you just need to put questions
Brother Tim humble. The Man with excellent manners..
I love br Tim and the amount of knowledge he has. Keep spreading the message
Ustaadh Tim Humble learned yet so humble MashAllaah watching sometimes listening from South Africa 🇿🇦duas always 🌍💖
my face lit up when i saw Sam, Alhamdulillah amazing podcast!!
Good podcast...good points.mashalla
Just what I needed ✨
1:12:00 dhikr is like body armour with the purpose of withstanding someone else's heavy weaponry. Needs to be of good quality and used often
May be more episodes on the topics discussed in this podcast. jazak'Allah khair
Does this video keep showing up on recommended for everyone else?
Deffo an inspirational brother mash’allah. Sometimes it’s quite difficult to relate to certain older brothers but Alhamdulilah I’ve always felt comfortable learning with him.
Glad the brother has an English name. Everyone is trying to abandon perfectly fine aspects of their culture. That's not the objective of Islam.
@sleepx3651
3 жыл бұрын
Yesssss. Finally someone gets it
Aleister Crowley - The guy who Ustad has talked about a lot regarding magic in the past (Awesome podcast as usual - Awesome guests part 3 soon please). May Allah bless you all. Ameen
yay!! sam's back!!!
Alhamdulilah ustaadh tim humble one of my favourite
Jazakumullahu Khayr... I really love your podcast and appreciate Islamic content.
All d videos r too good
May Allah forgive all of our past, present, future sins and grant us Jannat Al-Firdaus. Ameen.
I went to school with tim all the way bk from 97-99 alhamdulila proud of him bless
@ibbyakhi4314
2 жыл бұрын
How was he in school
@Certified_DonniE
2 жыл бұрын
@@ibbyakhi4314 he was spot on very intelligent person, think he converted soon after he left school but cant remember
@ibbyakhi4314
2 жыл бұрын
@@Certified_DonniE mashallah good to hear that one day I will meet him inshallah
@Certified_DonniE
2 жыл бұрын
@@ibbyakhi4314 inshallah brother
@freshly grounded are we allowed to repost this video on our channel to spread the message
Not Sam the other brother gives unexpected commentary - @1:19:59 he interrupts Tim because Tim had a brief pause and maybe the brother doesn’t realise silence is a power ? The more you speak the less you’re valued furthermore says he has a few questions when he couldn’t even speak his first question into existence !?
@tajwarjamil6186
2 жыл бұрын
AssalamuAlaikum Akhi hope you're doing well. This was 3 years ago brother Faisal was new into podcasting. He made lots more with Ustadh Tim humble now and I reccomend you see his improvement yourself
Love hearing from Ustadh Tim Humble
*VERY* beneficial episode alhamdulilah! The talk about the influence of movies, shaytan and the magicians was very interesting. And the talk in the end about death, as always, hit home. Barak Allahu Lakum.
@samiramousa3598
5 жыл бұрын
👍
I learnt so much from this, may allah bless you guys!
Love the add,
ohh my best sheikh !! why no recent videos of humble sheikh
I found this video really informative and entertaining. May Allah bless you In Sha' Allah.
ma'sha Allah, this is a profound discussion, I love the talk about death, ma'sha Allah.
Benefited alot elhamdulilah
keep still man !
The end part regarding wasiyah, and guideline for family in case of our death is SO IMPORTANT. When my father passed away it was an extremely difficult time. We had zero clues what to do, when to do and how to do....From visas/house agreements/car papers to everything, it was honestly a mess...Alhumdulilah after one year everything is okay now...
Assalamu'alaikum warohmatullah wabarokaatuh. Love from Indonesia!
May Allah(swt) reward all of you. Happy to listen to modern day Islamic content.
watching this in quarantine.
Ustaad Tim is so Humble mashAllah. :) May Allah bless him.
@samiramousa3598
5 жыл бұрын
👍
Just a suggestion can you made a timeline for each explained point (music,movies, black magic,enscrypted soul, be careful in taking up infos) by the Shaykh. Keep it up Freshly Grounded. May Allah bless
At 1hr.26 he said something alot over people do. One person i recall take pics of their musalah and write waking up for fajr or tahajjud something like that. For what purpose?
So good to see Sam back
Mashallah I agree with brother Tim.
JazakAllah Khair
This is the first time I’ve across this podcast, Faisal has to be one of the most interruptive hosts I’ve seen. But apart from that May Allah preserve the sheikh, Masha’Allah what an amazing human being.
@siminfaz3297
3 жыл бұрын
Lool
@forgetfulstranger
3 жыл бұрын
Lmao no 😭😭😭
@jamilahj09
3 жыл бұрын
kindly, the first part was unnecessary. be nice and if you want to criticise, do it constructively :)
Tim humble a awesome brother. Love him. Like the vids. Alhamdulillah. May Allah bless your families and both of you.
I love his voice !
@achrafagermoune2417
3 жыл бұрын
Reminds me of rob riches' voice (he also kinda look like him too)
This explains why Alister Crawley said he was told to go to Egypt!
Assalamualikum subhanaallah everything brother Mohammed Tim has said is correct and experienced something like that and Alhamdulillah I did ruqia and I'm better and better we just have to keep our adhkar of the mornings and the evening and the good book for all adhkar called dhikr Al muslim ذكر المسلم I read it in Arabic but think it has all languages inshallah
@sameerabanu2553
4 жыл бұрын
Yes the book is called Hisnul Muslim , it has all the duas that are important
Just one point but you guys should let the guest speak more, feels like you are taking over the conversation
May Allah protect Tim Humble and his family.
Sheikh Humble is a respected Muslim in the Islamic community. Thank you for the information. Alhamdulilah.
Salam, just wanted say in the 'evil eye' it can come from even those who are close, from friends to even someone who does not intentionally mean to cause you ill. The evil eye is cast, when a person, or persons, look upon a thing, and admire or are so impressed that the thing or person are afflicted. This doesnt mean you need to be evil, or wish ill towards that person. In summmation, you could give the evil eye to a friends success in business, or even upon someones apetite, someoen you are married to even. The way i have come across to ward off the evil eye, is to say MashaAllah, and to seal it coming from the person themselves is to say also Tabarakallah. This seals off the evil eye. I want to share a story, in my second marriage my partner could cook a curry so good that i would priase it and his dish to alot of people. I believe within a few months, perhaps more.. or less, his dish came out a little, lets say weird. Since then every time he cooks it, it has come with the same weird undertaste, and i beleive that in my praises, perhaps by forgetting to mention or thank Allah, i have caused the evil eye. This is a small yet significant to that persons life, example for all of us, that when we see, hear or know of something to remember that is it only by the Will of Allah. And that they have it by His Leave, and not without His Giving.
May Allaah subhanu wata ala, increase all you brothers in the dunya and akhira Aameen.
Ma Shaa Allah
The scholar thing is so relatable in Pakistan people would put anyone with almost no knowledge on a higher moral level saintly level and those people literally be leading them to sins and away from Quran but it's so hard to argue with them because one wrong thing is said about their "scholars" and they'll take it as blasphemous and even if hadiths are quoted to them they'll take their scholars argument over hadiths heck they even took actors of ertugrul as some holy figures this is so worrying how they think