Oh good. This is just a 2 hour review. I thought he was going to stream him using the Vision pro for 80 hours straight. You just never know with Brad.

as a fellow vr crazy person (like bradley, but poorer) I appreciate being able to live vicariously through his apple vision pro ownership. cudos!

They should use the Apple Watch as a haptic feedback, would be a good way to know when you pinch or interact with a augmented object.

@Dionyzos

4 ай бұрын

That's a great idea

@EVMANVSGAS

4 ай бұрын

Yeah, force everyone to buy another device they may not have in true Apple fashion.

@phoenixz7011

4 ай бұрын

i don't think current model apple watches can deliver that kind of low-latency connection, but even they release a new model that does this, it would require two watches for both hands' haptics so might as well give us controllers, imo

@NextGenart99

4 ай бұрын

@@phoenixz7011 Not really; you only need one vibration indicator to tell you that you've grabbed something. Also, Many Apple users already have an Apple Watch within the ecosystem. Additionally, controllers undermine the concept of ease of use that they are aiming for.

@NextGenart99

4 ай бұрын

@@EVMANVSGAS It's not really a force; using the product wouldn't be mandatory, but it would just be an extra feature. It's similar to how I can use my iPhone without my Apple Watch, but the Apple Watch provides additional features, like the vibration alarm on the watch which can wake me up early for work without disturbing my wife.

That is freaking sweet man. That high resolution is what vr was lacking

@theloner6063

4 ай бұрын

Fov

@dennismmm

4 ай бұрын

There has been higher resolution then what Apple has

@float32

4 ай бұрын

@@dennismmmwhat was the price?

@dennismmm

4 ай бұрын

@@float32 apple at 34ppd. Varjo aero at 35 ppd and Varjo aero is old tech at 900$. Varjo will probably come out with a new consumer line since they just dropped a new business line of headsets

@deejnutz2068

4 ай бұрын

​@@dennismmm not with these optics

"not interested in using a mac" Bro you got one strapped to your face 😂

Doesn’t care who makes the product just gives honest opinions

Immersed Visor has 4 million more pixels for their micro-OLEDs. So it should be an even better visual experience/ monitor replacement. Besides the fact that it's in another league in terms of size and weight. Vision Pro has all the bells and whistles though, does look incredible.

I think people like hearing you shit on stuff because they like hearing you tell the truth when others just hype stuff. Makes it more genuine and interesting when you do actually like things like it seems like you do with Vision Pro.

I changed my mind about not necessarily needing passthrough and now I'm a little worried about Deckard since Valve doesn't have the experience that Apple has with camera tech. I want to walk around my place and do stuff comfortably without needing to take the headset off.

It's really hard to be a never 1st gen - er right now but I know the wait will be well worth it

What a workflow. You really push the specs!

I watched all 2hrs and I'd watch 2 more! Honestly this is the best in-depth review for the AVP that I've seen. Palmer Luckey once said when HMDs get good enough we'll no longer need computer monitors or TVs, I think you've proven his case! I don't have a budget to buy one of these, but you've made a very compelling case, and have given us a glimpse into the future with your use case. Thanks Bradley! Incredible work as always!!!

u r amazing brad. only vision pro thing I needed to watch.

What I want is a steam version of this thing that I can basically treat as a GNU/Linux desktop for my face.

@Dionyzos

4 ай бұрын

Valve Deckard hopefully

@TacticalTypos

4 ай бұрын

Yes! That'd be wonderful

I really respect this channel. Although I never cared about VRchat, the coverage of the industry is great. As Brad said in this stream this is the first headset where it's actually usable as an alternative to a computer (even if it still needs work/apps).

39:35 almost surprised that there isn't an AR version of the apple watch as an app. Or possibly a fallout pipboy!

@rickaron7593

4 ай бұрын

I'm happy for you Brad. I have for years used a large brick battery with my quests in my pocket or my holster. Even for exercising. It works great.

@Dionyzos

4 ай бұрын

There's so many missed opportunities with this headset. You could also call it potential instead. But it's Apple and we know how long it can take for them to implement features.

@st.4n

4 ай бұрын

can't make the software for hardware that doesn't exist, now developers can finally make real moves

I was looking for this type of video

You saying this industry is not ready for aaa games is 100% right on. Thats why im upgrading my 1080ti to a 4080 to play triple a vr with the unreal engine vr injector. On my tiny 1080 ti it blows me away how good it is. Thanks preydog!!

The main reason I've been excited about this headset is that, love 'em or hate 'em, Apple tends to make a new tech market seem viable and socially acceptable to the public. In my opinion, the Apple Vision Pro is only a good thing for other companies like Meta, because Apple is going to popularize the AR market within the decade, leading to lots of other brands and competition, just like what we have with smartphones now.

HOLY SHIT. The difference between the beginning of this video and where we left off during the unboxing could be made into a meme. 😂 looks like you got the hang of the thing alright

Happy its Bradley 😊

Someone who finally gets it!!

The hand cutouts are so good that I can hold my phone and my phone is hidden, but my fingers will show up on both sides of the phone. holding stuff and having it still cut out the fingers is crazy! I think they do some interesting things with an AI that does the hand overlay stuff on the R1 chip, and the hand location data is lagged behind because that real joint data is being processed on the M2 chip.

@kazioo2

4 ай бұрын

It looks like typical background removal algorithm for video, similar to what's in Nvidia Broadcast and other websites and apps. At least the artifacts look identical. It's trained on arms, so other objects get cut. Lidar would work on everything at certain distance and without the need for AI/CV, but it's much lower resolution, so it wouldn't look good. Occlusion may not even be part of R1. I assume that's a burned ASIC, not programmable chip (hence the efficiency of a dedicated accelerator), so they probably only want hardcoded solid projection stuff and sensor fusion there, but AI is progressing rapidly and it's something they would probably prefer to be able to iterate on with firmware updates. But that's just my speculation.

We all knew it would miss its apple!

How did you connect to your pc? So far I have only seen one way to do that using a Luna dongle and software. OK nevermind looks like you used Steamlink. I wonder if one is better than the other? \

Dopamine overload bro!!

What app were you using for the date and the note on the left side of the desk?

Hey Brad! I've been looking forward to a vision pro video from you. It's probably the only I would ever need to watch. But, I honestly can't justify watching a 2h+ stream about a hmd that I'll never even consider buying 😅. Would you consider making a review/overview video where you cover the essence of this monster video? I think that would be much needed in this new swarm of VP reviews on KZread with self-aclaimed experts who has never worn a vr headset in their lives before.

@kazioo2

4 ай бұрын

IIRC he wanted to spend like a month with it before reviewing, so it may take some time.

@vicktorfilmbusker5492

4 ай бұрын

@@kazioo2 yeah, which I absolutely appreciate! Although, I'm not sure it'll have to take an entire month since the title of this stream was "80+ hours..." 😆

Here for maid brim Brad

@sebdotjpeg

4 ай бұрын

Really glad you're happy with how the AVP has turned out Brad

Hey Brad, did you check Karl Guttag review on AVP displays as a monitor replacement ?

Feels dystopian.

Do you have similar videos where you lived in the Quest Pro for a bit?

not sure if you'll see this but I'm just curious how much better the passthrough is compared to the quest 3? that's the main thing holding me back. I don't think I'll buy any other vr headsets until the passthrough is reasonable enough to do real life tasks. the quest 3 doesn't quite do it for me. thanks

Hello, thanks for your Vision Pro stream of consciousness… what size top strap did you get ?

@SadlyItsBradley

4 ай бұрын

S

@Olawalestreams

4 ай бұрын

Thanks

Can’t wait to see apple full body tracking attempt

Since it uses an oled display so how is burn in and brightness ?

how did u managed to put another bacjk strap on top of your head tho? did the magnet allows for 2 at a time?

@SargonDragon

4 ай бұрын

He said in the video that he 3D printed an adapter for it.

Is this screen better than vaejo aero?

Xs oberlay has been an amazing steam pverlay replacement for me on pc vr, you can give it admin so stuff will actually show up and the latency is way better than steam overlay

I’ve worked in front of screens for a decade now and these days I get eye fatigue. I’m guessing you don’t get that with either a regular screen or this device?

Watching streams from persoective of streamer is cool

Given your exact use case, streaming connected devices (Mac and Windows) as well as some misc apps, do you think the 256GB base version would have been more than adequate? I’m still not seeing a compelling case for the 512GB or 1TB version. I’d much rather use DaVinci Resolve from a mirrored Mac or PC than on the native iPad/AVP app. That goes for any content creation.

Crushed me when you said you were not excited for the Deckard anymore. Didn't you say in a past video Valve/Apple had a revolving door with their employees working in their respective VR departments? Did I imagine this? You never mentioned it again. If it was true what would Valve be getting from that? Just locked down Steam as the default VR game platform on the Vision pro? No hardware? I hoped they would get a good supply of micro oled screens for the Deckard.

@Art-Sin

4 ай бұрын

When did he mention this? Thanks

how do they do warping?

You put the other strap over your head great idea brad.

I'll be ditching my monitors when my Visor Founder Edition arrives , I hear it will be able to have 2 seperate PC's connected at once natively , Ideal for a gaming and streaming duo set up. Exciting for content creation :)

Re: ID; they do this with some off-the-shelf parts, but a lot of the parts are either custom for Apple, or not identical parts to the off-the-shelf version.

If there is zero screen door effect but virtual monitors appear to have the sharpness of a 1440p monitor, I suspect that the render resolution is much lower than native. Is that the case? To account for distortion profile the render resolution should be even higher than native ideally.

2:10:10 - Plus if something has controllers, people assume it has to use them AND really focus on the use of those CONTROLLERS, people develop for what they are used already.

it would be fun if you could add stereoscopic pictures and stereoscopic gifs that you can add custom stereoscopic frames to to your play/work space in AVP. Also, it will be interesting if I could create a a room with objects that i place and size.. For example, if someone visits my home living room, perhaps even front door. I could have virtual objects i place around my living room and front door. And when people come to my physical space, they can see the vitural objects i have placed around it. And it would be an opportunity for a video screen portal where video can be seen by them and me and it would be synched for both of us or anyone else wearing an AVP. An It would be amazing that the video can be playing in stereoscopic mode if the video is streaming in stereoscopic mode.

The best review by the best real vr reviewer

this is awesome...but i work in front of the screen 12 hours+ a day..hope they release a one the size of my nerdy glasses 😊

Brad, do you think that in the future Apple will allow you to pin windows in your personal bubble?

Watching this is making me excited to see the equivalent products that won't be locked in Apple's walled garden ecosystem.

imho cooking with the AVP must be pretty baller when you can view recipes in a way that can't get dirty / damaged by your hands

Ooh yeah as someone in XR industry, the in-store demo was gimmicky.

I can't wait to see how meta responds. This should make them pull their finger out.

the 3d models from the apple website do have reflections from virtual and real objects

Are you still going to do a review? I’m not sure how to catch your uploads or appearances besides the “notification bell” which doesn’t always work. Do you have a newsletter?

12:15 Apple Vision Pro DeckARD Band 😎

Waiting for Bradley's pron review on the visions 💀

I use my MacBook Pro charger for it (100W?). It works much better. The 30W can barely charge it while you're using it.

Close to the 1 month update?

@leonw6247

2 ай бұрын

I remember him saying on a podcast that he was hoping to get the full review out in the next week but that was weeks ago so it can't be too much longer.

29:50 - When not watching your actively playing movie during an airplane, long haul bus, ferry ride, long boat to China, Caribean Cruise, to people watch instead or to parent your kids?

OH THE P5 WINDOW

ラグトレインあるの好き

the second strap is not ridiculous it looks like it belongs there

when i did the demo at the apple store i too wasn't very impressed with the immersive video but was with the 3d clip of Avatar. I'll admit that it was very high resolution and i've never seen that with 180 video but the 3d movies were waaay cooler. I have never in my life desired to watch a movie in 3d until that moment.

Apple needs to make it possible to stream your AVP's screen mirror in stereoscopic mode.. then when you live stream to KZread, people could watch your live stream in stereoscopic mode with their VR headset

@Clara_Page

4 ай бұрын

TBH that sounds like a recipe for insta VR sickness

@Gpig20

4 ай бұрын

Calm down satan

Pls review the pimax event

the vision pro, but not apple, would be perfect

It should be doing these things, but I think this is the ah ha moment, because when UX works like you expect is so sweet. It SHOULD work like this but... often it just doesn't

Apple Deckard Pro

The Apple Vision Pro is certainly NOT the worst headset that Apple will ever release. The standard Apple Vision will be horrid. I doubt anybody will enjoy using it long-term. Additionally, I'd say there's a 50% chance that the next Pro model headset that Apple releases after the standard Apple Vision will be worse than the current Apple Vision Pro. It seems unlikely to me that Apple would release another device that is so expensive that nobody can afford, which would be the only strategy that Apple could adopt if they wanted to produce a headset that is equal or superior to the Apple Vision Pro, even several years from now. Therefore, the only solution is to continue to release cheaper devices that are nowhere near as good as the Apple Vsion Pro for the next 5-10 years.

15:37 vision pro is not actually stand alone if you need a mac book to connect to it and give you the mac book apps in windows

Your head strap mod is great! I don’t suppose you might be willing to sell that 3-D adapter?

12 hours?! Damn i couldnt be in my reverb g2 for 2 hours…

It would be very unlikely (and un-Apple) to wait 3 years for gen2 of this. I expect within 18 months they’ll come out with a gen2 using the same basic design and displays but as a minimum update the M2 and R1 chips (better performance per watt, so better battery life). Hopefully they’ll also add wifi7. I’d also expect them to do a better ‘Eyesight’ because I’m sure they’re embarrassed by it. At the same time I expect them to launch the “Vision” using the old R1/M2 combination but with an inexpensive 2D Eyesight. They also might use a cheaper 4K display. There’s also a possibility they’ll announce a portable lightweight “Vision Air” using the R1/M2 combination but a Visor type display with optional cell service. That would be the eventual smart glasses and smartphone killer. In 2027 I expect the gen3 with upgraded displays. I really appreciate your perspective on this, I know you get a lot of hate for liking it but you do a great job explaining why and framing that you are an edge case. This gen1 product isn’t for everyone but it’s intended to make people want it, even if they can’t afford it. Then in 18 months they offer it to the mass market at a cheaper price. I hope Apple succeeds because if they do they’ll open the world to competitors. If they fail it’s a high probability that VR/AR/MR is dead and that would be sad. I don’t see Meta winning this market. Beyond not having the ecosystem they don’t have the trust. I wouldn’t do my banking on Quest or give them access to my health data. I also don’t trust them not to sell data about everything I look at. I don’t fully trust Apple with this either but they’ve done a good job designing their products to protect sensitive user data. Keep up the good work!

I might get this know. I would pay 3500 for a monitor or TV so that alone validate the cost of the device. All the other features of the device would make the cost more palatable. I still have an issue with power, longevity and comfort. With the constant power going into this device will the device last and can it be more comfortable. The other issue and it's weird but I watch youtube vr a lot. I want the immersive videos and apple claims they may not support that. I will wait 6 months though. I saved the cash for it and another 6 months won't hurt.

Is there a timestamp where Bradley explains how he added the top strap? nvm it's at 11:54.

It's ridiculous that corporations expect or hope for an immediate return on investment on something as new and different as VR/AR. Of course Assassins Creed Nexus lost money. Everyone who expected differently was delusional. This shit will take many years, maybe decades, to pay off. Apple entering the space is the best thing that could've happened. Everyone is talking about it now, people are using it in public. I was a Little worried that people outside the VR community would hate on the Vision Pro but the reception is better than I expected. I'm more hopeful than I have ever been.

It's time for Brad to change his channel name to Crazy VR Guy

1:52:23 In hindsight Ubisoft should have gone to PSVR2 to add a VR mod as DLC

someone was saying immersive personas .....basically vrchat will be coming at some point

In my opinion a cheaper Vision device still needs micro-oled displays, just with more cutbacks/compromises to fit the price tag.

I wonder what using this for 8 hours a day does to the eyes?

Do you think this would be a killer product if it had a MacBook os installed on a screen so you wouldn’t need to buy a MacBook

@ytubeanon

4 ай бұрын

a killer product would be a Windows version

@utubekullanicisi

4 ай бұрын

I think the operating system should stay as visionOS, but it should definitely be able to install and run macOS apps by itself, as it's the same hardware (chip) as a MacBook.

@kazioo2

4 ай бұрын

​ @utubekullanicisi The point is VisionOS didn't have to be a fork of iOS. All the features you are seeing could be done on a fork of MacOS. There are zero technical reasons here. Apple chose iOS for only one reason: to limit freedoms of users and developers. They just want their 30% TAX on everything and decide what is allowed to run and what isn't - they cannot do that on Mac OS, because it's a decades old ecosystem they can't just lock down without ruining it. But at the same time they admit that Mac continues to be their only true computer, which is a shame, as many, including me, hoped AVP could be a new form factor from Apple offering full general compute. It's all going in that sexy and cool, but also dystopian, cyberpunk future sci-fi writers predicted long time ago. Almost too cliché.

MRTV said the passthrough is better than the XR-4 passthrough. I wonder who is right about that.

@SargonDragon

4 ай бұрын

Bradley is a much more reliable source for that kind of comparison. It also makes sense that the XR-4's passthrough would be better because the intended use case for that device demands it. The XR-4 and AVP are not actually in the same class even though they have about the same price. People keep saying there's no other headset with AVP's resolution, etc. But the XR-4 actually has higher resolution than the AVP. And the XR-3 was already doing higher PPD than the AVP years ago. There is Apple effect going on here. And Bradley seems to be largely unaffected by that kind of hype and bias.

1:51:10 Then they were also pretty naive. Just because so many Quest headsets have been sold doesn't mean that everyone is buying Assassin's Creed. 😂

Why am I seeing this 12 day old video in my feed, but when I go to your channel, & go to videos, the newest video is 1 month old?

@Killswitch1411

3 ай бұрын

He's a Florida Man. He was probably eaten by a Gator.

@freddynzeiss

3 ай бұрын

Live streamed videos are not categorized in Videos it’s under Live

I would love to see a Valve Index / Steamdeck / Monado type spacial Computer.

BRUH I didn't expect 1/40 of what the title says.😂

Can you do a summary? I'm in the military and have nearly no free time :/

@michelverheijen6643

4 ай бұрын

If you have no free time this isn't for you. Guess in a year you get a new boss Mr.Thrump. And maybe you get more free time if he leaves the NATO.

it's a trap lol

"It shouldn't need to be mentioned." Exactly - and this is why Meta is not Apple, and never will be.

Vision Pro, iPhone, Apple Watch, Airpods - not an Apple User

I don't think this is "the worst headset apple will make". Considering the price, this isn't even directed at consumers. If they want to make an affordable headset it's gonna be worse.

@SargonDragon

4 ай бұрын

The point is that Apple can be expected to not release a more affordable headset until such a headset can at least equal the Vision Pro. It's going to be a while. This is in stark contrast to what Facebook did with taking VR backwards in capability from where it had been in pursuit of lower price. That strategy hasn't worked out very well.

@98Zai

4 ай бұрын

@@SargonDragon This is basically a glorified devkit, they are definitely aiming to release a cheaper version within a few years or nobody is going to have incentive to develop for it. If you think they can bring down the price on the hardware itself in that time then fair enough, though if they manage that it's more realistic that the vision pro is extremely overpriced right now.

Thanks!

People complain about how long this is, but there are alread a ton of "reviews" out there. I'd rather just listen to you chill out and mess around with this thing.

Vision input is a third hand