Would totally forget about the Scarlet Witch X Quicksilver wincest from the Ultimate Universe as well

@22espec

3 жыл бұрын

Depends, are they Magneto's children again or not?

@Crabastompa

3 жыл бұрын

@@22espec I think since the Ultimate universe collapsed they were still siblings when it ended.

@romeoalpha68

3 жыл бұрын

Definitely

@localloser7415

3 жыл бұрын

@@22espec Sadly....yes

@susiem.2068

Жыл бұрын

Haiyaaa. I didn't read the comics and I could have done without this piece of information.

The fact that becoming an Inhuman is a conscious choice AND THEN MAKE THEM AN ALLEGORY FOR MINORITIES will never cease to blow my mind

@localloser7415

3 жыл бұрын

It is?

@michael.471

3 жыл бұрын

@@localloser7415 Yeah, until the Terrigen mists were spread over Earth (killing a tonne of mutants I’ll add) to become an Inhuman You need the gene and a council asked you if you wanted to become one and make sure they definitely want it

@localloser7415

3 жыл бұрын

@@michael.471 Yeah that was so stupid and now its a mainstream thing thanks to the Marvels Avengers game

@jahovachite

2 жыл бұрын

That seems offaly a lot like modern day culture though

@michael.471

2 жыл бұрын

@@jahovachite You’ve gone backwards. Self perception being your identity in the case of trans identity (Which is what I’m guessing you’re referencing) is very much not a conscious choice, with that being affirmed by effectively every legitimate institution from psychology, sociology, endocrinology and just a whole bunch of others

The feral Wolverine thing didn't happen until 2 years after his adamantium was removed. It actually happened when Genesis attempted to give Wolverine his adamantium back (using the adamantium from the recently deceased Cyber's arms) and it backfired, resulting in a feral Wolverine murdering Genesis and his Dark Riders.

Thank you for including Austen's X-Men on the list; I wasted so much money during that era. You can also tell when a writer is reading back issues; that is how Waid got the "Professor X loves Jean" storyline. Years from now, the Hickman era will be retconned (PLEASE) and the X-Men will return to its roots as a commentary on prejudice and stereotypes. We need this now as 2020 is the year of change...

@IrishKyokushin

Жыл бұрын

Problem with them going back to being a Social Narrative device is that there are plenty of POC and LGBT characters now that deal with those same issues 99% of the time [they're just used to insert the writer's social commentary since they hardly ever fight actual villains] so what more can the X-Men actually do?

I loved that wolverine went full threw with his mutation. Not holding back anything. Plus Logan getting his memory back & reaction to X-Man is priceless.

The Ultimate line started off great, but as time went on the story-arcs started getting more and more depressing and I eventually lost all interest in keeping up with it.

@mr.random8638

3 жыл бұрын

The only comic form the ultimate universe that stayed pretty consistent was Spider-Man

@22espec

3 жыл бұрын

The big problem for me was their need to kill characters in very pointless ways, they did it so much that the death were expected in every issue and they lost any impact.

Don't forget beast hoof feet and angel being a race of angels while nightcrawler was a race of demons. Angel also had the ability to heal others.

@localloser7415

3 жыл бұрын

How is that bad is it because their like not fully mutants

@yesihavealastname1562

2 жыл бұрын

@Local Loser no, more like they are fully mutants, but the design for angels and demons came from humans seeing them.

Y'know what's a worse Wolverine retcon? Weapon X was his idea.

The reveal in Onslaught that Xavier love Jean Grey didn't bother me as in his current state as Onslaught having him reveal this creepy fact added to how twisted was the villain so yeah. Worked for me.

I love when they show old man wolverine in Logan and in comics.

Marvel trying to get rid of the x-men for the inhumans was just stupid on so many levels that we'll be here all day if i list all of the horrible ramifications of replacing the mutants for the inhumans.

@willhuey4891

3 жыл бұрын

the inhumans are cool and all but its stupid to get rid of the x men just for that.

@TevyaSmolka

3 жыл бұрын

@softserve I can agree with that and honestly your not wrong about the movies these days.

@Jon_EL

3 жыл бұрын

Dont know if it was mentioned but the reason they did that was to lower the exposure for the movies they couldn’t put out. Its the same reason they put the fantastic four away for a while.

@TevyaSmolka

3 жыл бұрын

@@Jon_EL I think they did mentioned that but if they didn’t you’re right about that one hundred percent.

@22espec

3 жыл бұрын

You can blame Disney for that, they acted like a child just because theh couldn't get the movie rights for Fox, eventually they just decided to buy Fox

There was that time where they killed Xavier in the early comics, emphasizing that it wasn’t a trick, only to retcon that Xavier was alive with it being Changeling impersonating him that died.

@richardadams4928

3 жыл бұрын

That was definitely a WTF moment, all right.

I want to forget any time they made Captain America into a dark, disturbed figure. It always seemed to be done in a "shocking" way but never a psychologically engaging way.

Whoa, those are fighting words about the Ultimate universe (pre Loeb, of course).

@codafett

3 жыл бұрын

Of course

Sauron and the Savage Land need to return.

Don't forget Wolverines nose disappeared the more he became animalistic

@gadgetsage

3 жыл бұрын

Or someone can't draw noses.

@PainMonkey

3 жыл бұрын

You mean, like, one of his primary superpowers? That nose?

I’ll never forgive Marvel for trying to make the Moon People the new X-men

3:35 Is bullshit. Because what’s glossed over is that Wolverine did have bone claws he didn’t regress because of. The reason he regressed was because of Cable’s son Genesis who took over Apocalypse’s(he was hibernating at the time) Egyptian lair and kidnapped wolverine and try to infuse the adamantium of the dead X-Men villain cyber but it backfired and made him regress making him more feral. Wolverines body was just healing itself after what had happened to it he eventually got back to normal it just took a minute. Do you research whatculture

If Magneto became just a pure villain that genocides New York, he’d lose his charm tbh

The ultimate universe in my opinion was actually tons of fun back in the day however the ultimate x-men in my opinion while wasn't bad some story arcs really felt just like repeats and shock value which that ain't fun that just lazy and boring however it wasn't all bad some stories i did like was when ultimate wolverine teamed up with ultimate daredevil and ultimate Spider-Man which was tons of fun at least in my opinion.

@mrwickairsoft6345

3 жыл бұрын

I agree

@TevyaSmolka

3 жыл бұрын

TeamCheesecake Airsoft thank you

@wukongisas9564

3 жыл бұрын

Honestly I liked a lot the ultimate universe

@TevyaSmolka

3 жыл бұрын

Veku blue I can agree with that

@adrianrocha6844

3 жыл бұрын

Wait can you clarify the the repeats ultimate X-men did

X-Men are my favorite characters of all time, and I hated Marvel when they tried to replace them with the Inhumans, even though Inhumans are cool too. Curiously enough, the current status of X-Men is quite similar of that period of Inhumans, they are now a nation instead of a species, separated from the other countries with they internal government and laws, etc.

@logansanwolvemeister8925

3 жыл бұрын

How did you feel when they reduced the number of mutants to about 198?

I’ll be real I feel like everybody is too hard on ultimate X-men while it isn’t perfect but it’s still good

i remember in Xmen comics wolverine losing his adamantium. he got it back somehow from some1 killing Cyber who had adamantium arms that were removed for wolverine

the whole with the inhumans trying to replace the mutants is what has caused the *inhumans to be so hated* with notable exceptions of course

just enough time to watch this before work. life is good.

@greenplyer2807

3 жыл бұрын

Dude today is weekend

@mthuree8171

3 жыл бұрын

Green Plyer some people have jobs on the weekend

@ComixEuCollectables

3 жыл бұрын

I work both days on weekends

8:49 Spiderman *never* skips thigh day

@whatculture You should do a list of all of irons mans suits

The Magneto-Retcon was a necessity after Bendis just used him at the end of AVENGERS: DISASSEMBLED, wasn't it?

Liked your video. The feral Wolverine was kinda correct. When he got his adimantium ripped from his body in Wolverine #75 he was kinda feral but not all the way. Jubilee nursed him to health. So full Feral Wolverine was when Apocalypse added the adimantium back to Wolverine and he rejected it. This caused him to go feral and a bit before the Onslaught saga. Right after Onslaught Wolverine became regular at his old self. This is due to a change in Marvel's writing staff being fired. The adimantium poisoning came later.

@GabePuratekuta

Жыл бұрын

But one question still remains... What happened to his nose?

Just Emma frost being he worst person ever

@waterking74

3 жыл бұрын

Hell yes

@GreenH0cker

3 жыл бұрын

Seriously! I never liked the decision to include her on the team. She was a PERFECT villain... though I have to say, may favorite incarnation of her/story with her in it is the "Wolverine and the X-Men" cartoon from the late 00s.

@ExeErdna

3 жыл бұрын

@@GreenH0cker They honestly STILL don't know what to do with Hellfire Club

I would like to forget about Cassandra Nova's origin story, please.

I loved when wolverine used the muramasa to decapitate sabertooth such a awesome ending to their saga!

For Xavier being in love with Jean Grey I would say that as long as she's NOT under the age of consent AND if it were to happen as long as they are in a mutually respectful relationship and can carry on deep meaningful and poignant conversations and neither is condescending to the other they should be able to have a healthy happy relationship.

@kevinbarnard355

3 жыл бұрын

The problem was at the time written, Jean was 15 or 16 as Marvel Girl. Xavier having romantic feelings for her was definitely inappropriate, not just for her age, but the nature of their relationship. It was exemplifying the teacher/student predatory relationship which ends up in the news every so often.

@cassiuscoleman4624

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinbarnard355 if you notice in my initial comment I emphasised the aspect of age of consent. I never gave the impression that an underage girl should be involved in a romantic relationship with a legal adult. I was very clear on that.

@Sinsults

3 жыл бұрын

@@cassiuscoleman4624 Kevin never claimed you said anything like that. Please work on your reading comprehension. Also, have you ever heard the phrase "the lady doth protest too much, methinks" Its often used to mean, if you protest more than is needed, people become more assured that you are lying. For example, if someone like Kevin points out how wrong Xavier's feelings were, and you starting foaming at the mouth protesting that you are not a pedophile sympathizer, people are very likely to believe you are.

@cassiuscoleman4624

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sinsults sounds like the same can be said of you.

@cainemarko5021

3 жыл бұрын

Was she underage? The current AoC in NY is 17. I would imagine in the 60's it was probably 15 or 16. I'm not sure how old Charles was supposed to be back in those days either. I know he was called "Professor" but there is a difference between him being 23 as opposed to 33. So while yes, through a modern lens it would be illegal, back then I doubt it was. Now creepy is a whole different conversation. The whole teacher/student power dynamic comes into play there.

Also, Wolverine started using an Image Inducer so that his new look wouldn't scare his foster daughter. I guess he never switched it off. :-D

Can I borrow your set of post-Kirby X-Men by Roy Thomas and Neal Adams? In my universe I do love the handful of issues Adams drew, the couple of issues from Steranko and even the ones Barry Smith did early in his career. Frankly I enjoyed most of the series from #1 on up until the reprints began but the majority of those were actually drawn by Werner Roth and at least one was by Don Heck. You know, if you're going to do a comic book trivia video, you might want to get your facts straight.

Wish they would've taken my advice and cast Vin Diesel as Black Bolt, they could've made a proper Inhumans movie. I guarantee The Eternals is just a modified whatever-script-they-already-had-for-Inhumans-from-five-years-ago.

Good luck, Marcel.

Every company makes mistakes. Or maybe they just love to take risks. It's certainly less expensive with comics. How about 8 artists (or more) that Marvel shouldn't have allowed to draw their comics series? There are some seriously horrific and downright ridiculous works out there. Seemed to happen to a great many, less popular series. And some main ones. Thanks for the video. Stay safe. ♥

I once wore a xorn mask and went to college and entered my class all the time wearing the mask.

@rimix739

3 жыл бұрын

I once got high like Superman kzread.info/dash/bejne/o4GjudKwh8fXc7A.html

What about the whole psylocke revanchist thing. It ended up cool for Betsy, but still pretty weird

As I heard, the idea that Northstar and Aurora were children of fairies was made because it was intended that Northstar would come out of the closet but the editors refused.

@ERASEREPLACEPLACE

3 жыл бұрын

I hear it was because Northstar's illness was originally supposed to be AIDS, but they got cold feet and came up with some disease that Asgardian faries get or some such BS

Tittle: 10 things that Marvel wants you to forget Video: Remembering it again

WHY do I keep running into the Gwen-Osborn thing?! Please God.

Whoa that thumbnail.

I wonder if Marvel Studios is going to use the Ultimate universe of the X-men or the 616 universe.

@22espec

3 жыл бұрын

They already use many of the ultimate universe ideas for the MCU

The Onslaught Saga is one of THE best sagas in X-Men history.

My favorite X-Man, is Bishop. That is All.

@KingOfThaDead64

3 жыл бұрын

Me too 💘

@sim7409

3 жыл бұрын

ew

@zakfrisch2997

3 жыл бұрын

Mine is Chamber. That is all.

@monstermanalex1313

3 жыл бұрын

@Cecil Pierre He should....so everyone dies.

@darkies09

3 жыл бұрын

Gambit & Bishop for me

Elektra had helped wolverine with his feral self and outbursts.

My favourite xmen is Jean grey 😍

why did wolverine lose his nose when he went feral?

maybe im wrong, but feral wolverine doesn't sound that bad

Floor is LAVA

the thing about dropping the External Sam storyline... they didn't explain why Sam survived those grievous injuries. He was impaled by Sauron, a wound straight through the chest. Cable thought Sam survived that due to being External. But now? .. it's not explained that can remember. Other embarrassing things? How about attempts to do a retcon but it gets dropped mid-story and never explained away. Like how they tried to make Kitty Pryde be a Neo, an offshoot mutant race. But only mentioned it in two issues and never picked it up again.

I wish they could just go back . Forget all the BS . Take the good stories from the last 20/30 years and nix the rest. . Marvel knows what worked . The Xmen of the 80s was perfect. The 90s to a certain point. Yet they did stories like Feral Wolverine, the Adamantium killing him . No crazy Scott . It's not hard to do . Shit so it to the whole Marvel Universe. Remove all the idiotic stories. Use Mephisto whoever. Start over from there .

Emma Frost and the Hellfire Club for destabilizing Phoenix, which caused her to become Dark Phoenix. As Dark Phoenix, the D'barri world and people were wiped out along with the Shi'ar ship. Instead of never forgiving Emma Frost and the Hellfire Club, the X-men took a no harm no foul approach and let Emma Frost join their team years later. Never made sense to me.

@TheSoloReactor

3 жыл бұрын

Emma Frost was put into a coma from the dark Phoenix saga, by the Phoenix it was mostly mastermind who was responsible for Jean grey turning evil. Not saying that she was completely innocent, but do the hellfire club even know that Jean Grey killed a whole species of aliens? I don’t think they do...

Which comic was the one where blob was eating that girl, coz that looks messed up.

@TAJMofficial

3 жыл бұрын

Ultimatum

stonks?

Um... how about totally ruining Rogue's Character in the X-Men Movies??

@fernie-fernandez

3 жыл бұрын

Captain Marvel is what Rogue needed...!

@PancakeDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

Because in the comics, she lost those powers in the 90s... She needs captain marvel to be the rogue ur talking about

Come on, I wanna know what that thumbnail is

I haven't heard anything about X-Men the 2099 which I asked you like but I guess a lot of people didn't

Xorn being magneto comic was on ultimate xmen not new xmen

Does anyone else live Pyro 🔥 or is that just me

The thumb nail was not mentioned at all. Makes me sad.

The inhumans work on a smaller scale and changing them to mutants was a problem

one name says it all DEADPOOL he WAS AN X MAN and no I'm not just referring to that trainee part of deadpool 2

@angrytheclown801

3 жыл бұрын

And he wore Jean's old Marvel Girl costume, including the undies. He was allowed to keep those.

X men should be a bigger deal on P Hub. Just saying... Money flying away in the wind that any one of us could cash in on, but few try.

The fact that Iceman liked women.

8:50 is that his fucking leg in the top right

Perlmuter not giving FOX any new material was the only thing he did well

I had completely forgotten about them until you brought them up.....if marvel wants us to forget about them then why do you bring it up?

#1 the X-men entire movie saga #2 the wolverine original height #3 NightCrawler son of Mystique #4 Mystique is a villain

Marvel retconned the Magneto is Xorn thing mere weeks after the Planet X storyline by having alive and well Erik Lensherr meet Prof X on Genosha. I never completely forgave Marvel for undoing the great stuff Morrison did. They depowered Beak (arguably the best new mutant he created) and focused on the sexy mutants like the Stepford Cuckoos. Flawed but sympathetic mutants like Angel Salvadore and her chicken fly babies(!) were replaced by blink and you miss em generic students like Wing (wtf?), Armor and whoever those losers Bendis kept trying to make happen. I think Morrison was too far out there for Marvel to keep up with, so they went back to what they knew. Thank goodness for Jonathan Hickman......

X-Men #1 came out in 1963 not 1970 as you said

New Men was fuckin awesome!!!!!!!!

Another thing they want us to forget is most of the movies.

make nightcrawler the pope and have his image, enduce a vail?

@coleslade

3 жыл бұрын

"image Inducer fail."

The Quicksilver ans Scarlet Witch are not Magneto's children

Any X-Men story told between 2004 through 2019.. forget about them..

@kevinbarnard355

3 жыл бұрын

House of X is pretty good

@D.Z.A.-kp8lf

3 жыл бұрын

@@kevinbarnard355 True.. tired of all wolverines bullshit kids

@kevinbarnard355

3 жыл бұрын

@@D.Z.A.-kp8lf right? He's like the Alpha and Omega of Daddies

@ingonyama70

3 жыл бұрын

X-Men: Worlds Apart is pretty great

Other embarrassing X-men facts? Well... back over in Ultimate line... Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver's incestuous relationship kinds to mind. Rather surprised you didn't mention that as the highly of WTF that was the Ultimate X-Men.

like!!!

I will always love Gambit as my favourite member

Main thing they want you to forget: X- Men The Last Stand.

@fernie-fernandez

3 жыл бұрын

All that for Superman Returns...!

No mention for the horrible Nightcrawler "Draco" storyline in 2003, where Azazel claimed to be Satan and not a mutant?

I prefer the ultimate universe. 616 is good, but too softhearted for my taste. I guess that's why I dropped Marvel altogether and went exclusively to reading only Image comics. At least they're not squeamish with the gore.

Oof. Well from 2012-2017 they wanted you to forget they existed so they replaced them with inhumans same goes for the fantastic four.

Ah yes, an "X amount of Things Y company Want You to Forget About Z franchise" list. This is Classic WhatCulture. The content I subscribed for waaaayy back.

Casting Anna Paquin as Rogue should be at the top of that list.

The mutant asiel isn't a demon in the comics he said to be the leader of a demon race of mutants meanings that he's a mutant that looks like a demon so can you guys please stop arguing that even though I'm not promising other video on some eating on all of the people that keep saying that his is a demon

Marvel tried their best to destroy all things X-Men and all things Fantastic Four in the 2000's. They almost did. They made X-Men into a second-rate series with terrible pathetic something to laugh at artwork. Long gone was the awesome stories and awesome artwork of the 80's and 90's for X-Men. The X-Men books just became comic relief at this time. I am surprised of how the series even survived at all in the 2000's and was not cancelled outright?

Ultimate X-men was great until Ultimatum

@22espec

3 жыл бұрын

The Apocalypse saga was crap

@codafett

3 жыл бұрын

@@22espec Haven't gotten there yet, but I believe you.

Please don’t invoke the ultimate universe

Having too many writers do so many plots and retcons really ruined the team...oh, Cyclops is always right!

Noice

missed the mark on a few of these....

#EWANPATERSON #SWOON

They want you to forget Scarlet Witch was a mutant. now she is just an asshole committing mass genocide for no reason. Why, Marvel does that sound bettter? more engaging? probably not.

Do they take requests? I want to forget X-Men: The Last Stand and X: Men: Apocalypse please. Holy crap those were terrible movies. How about wrestling back the rights and making something decent, Marvel.

"things Marvel wants you to forget about the X-Men".......? First Class, Days of Future Past, Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix are all in the Marvel Cinematic Universe timeline

@PancakeDiaries

3 жыл бұрын

No they're not

I'm only just watching this, but number 1 should be Marvel- and Disney- trying to kill them. Over, and over, and over again.

MCU: I AM INEVITABLE. DCEU: HOLD MY HENRY'S MOUSTACHE.