I asked for a refund with return of the frame to no avail They said that they were open to criticism. Lol

@Mickyrst43

Жыл бұрын

You're the owner of this frame?

@theillegalimmigrant9314

Жыл бұрын

What a response. The evidence is quite comprehensive.

@martinhotan8946

Жыл бұрын

well maybe a USofA built Agronaut would have been the better solution ....🤕

@datorfilm

Жыл бұрын

(I guess you already have) Send them a link to this video and lets hope that they read some of the comments...

@glennoc8585

Жыл бұрын

I think you'd get the new Lemond in America for similar money.

Gotta give props to the company for at least hiring the blind for their quality assurance dept..

@marcusjahnke9287

Жыл бұрын

The blind would feel those ”issues” easily.

@marqpsmythe228

Жыл бұрын

Reassuring words

@rollinrat4850

Жыл бұрын

You can actually buy Braille micrometers. Believe it or not, they exist. I'll bet you could teach blind monkeys to put stickers where they dont belong too! My daughter moved out and got married 10 years ago. I'm still finding stickers in odd places!

@sirmalus5153

Жыл бұрын

It must be a fake frame, made by prisoners in china. NO WAY did REAL engineers make that pile of carbon fakery surely????

@manoz6194

Жыл бұрын

Affirmative action

Hi Hambini, would you consider doing a video on what to look for when receiving a new bike? In terms of things to check for manufacturing or assembly issues. Thanks!

@Hambini

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@ando.niyuen

Жыл бұрын

great idea!

@tweed0929

Жыл бұрын

Yes, please! That would be great.

@chrisko6439

Жыл бұрын

@@Hambini I would give this a like, but it has 69 likes.

@richardhaselwood9478

Жыл бұрын

@@chrisko6439 I hesitated too, but ended up liking anyway..

I work in a civil engineering test laboratory for a local authority in the UK, I have measured better tolerances on a concrete cube (using 0.3mm feeler gauge) made in a 30 year old mould than on that frame fucking disgrace ful

@Hambini

Жыл бұрын

That's pretty damning

@BillinSD

Жыл бұрын

This comment is pure gold

@kittytrail

Жыл бұрын

@@BillinSD it's concretely pretty well rounded too. 😽

@rollinrat4850

Жыл бұрын

If you can measure interference fit issues with a freakin caliper, it's a reject. Read the machinery handbook.

@MrKarty01

Жыл бұрын

Cant argue with concrete facts

People like Hambini being in the world is good. Makes me happy. A wonderful mind, and a decent hair cut too.

@borano2031

Жыл бұрын

He´s keeping the hairdresser happy. Gives her what she wants?? Rgr

@PeakTorque

Жыл бұрын

You wouldn't say that if you saw what he sends on WhatsApp. It's horrific

@martinda7446

Жыл бұрын

@@PeakTorque Like what??? Intrigued..

@theegg-viator4707

Жыл бұрын

😂

@theegg-viator4707

Жыл бұрын

@@PeakTorque 😂🤘🏻

As an engineer myself you are absolutely correct the frame machining is atrocious, really not acceptable, I would demand my money back, the frame is not fit for purpose, keep up the good work. 👍

@kalijasin

Жыл бұрын

It looks unsafe.

@user-nw2si7hu3u

Жыл бұрын

This owner should sue though not sure it’s possible in Italy

Imagine the trip that the Raw Bauxite that came all the way from Guinea, Africa shipped to be processed & made into high quality raw Aluminum bar rods in a port in Bremerhaven, Germany just to turn out into a badly misaligned bb shell by Italian bike artisans 💀

@timurhant469

Жыл бұрын

Pure poetry! Love it!

@cd0u50c9

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely tragic story. I like my bread roll to be artisan, not my bike frame. Imagine an artisan egg-shaped wheel - you wouldn't have it, would you.

@kittytrail

Жыл бұрын

@@cd0u50c9 try vdz wheels in southern France if you want handbuilt with care wheels, this guy can make you a well rounded and tensionned pair of wacky wheels for your very own needs that won't try to take any other shape than round except if confronted directly by a larger mass like a car, truck, tractor or stoned sungrazing cow in the middle of the (country) road. 🐮 would be nice to compare his wheels, tubs especially but hookies or hookless ate fine too, to bigger, well known brands, like, ~cough-cough~ zpip, ravol, evne, black inc. or cheap arse and not so cheap arsed doordash'd chinese stuff. 😼

@kiwijohn01

Жыл бұрын

Then reamed by a 5 yr old !

The owner of the frame would be grateful if you can consider supporting his colleague's gofund me page which is here gofund.me/65af77d3 This mainly applies to US residents

One of the many good things with this little channel for us "not-so-good english speakers", is that it also serve as a language enrichment source. I had no clue what "bell end" was so I hade to google it... So, thanks to Master Hambini, I learned something today, too!

@zenspeed404

Жыл бұрын

You learn some spicy English, that's for sure.

@kittytrail

Жыл бұрын

@@zenspeed404 isn't that some curry-ous slanguage seeing how orangey it is? 🤔

GCN says: the frame is super stiff, compliend and responsive!

@TheMoodyedge

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@jonnoMoto

Жыл бұрын

5/5

@zzhughesd

Жыл бұрын

Brilliant. Last week GCN had a frame that rode itself. No rider required. Virtual 200 watts needed only hold current 45 kph. Lol. I just love GCN AD endorsements and aero marketing claims

@angruwasp8782

Жыл бұрын

GCN loves selling wet noodles

@jaysparc

Жыл бұрын

GCN will tell you I have a 14" cock if I pay them.

Space between derailleur hanger and frame is obviously new "flex shift" to provide 10% improved shifting compliance 😅

@rollinrat4850

Жыл бұрын

With a name like that, why would you give a damn about shifting performance?

@ssmtb

Жыл бұрын

@@rollinrat4850 I don't 🙂 but you don't need gears to enjoy Hambini 😅

@jonnythelegs2597

Жыл бұрын

Its a derailleur damper to damp out campagnolo's clunky shifting.

@Hambini

Жыл бұрын

Designed specifically for a crapsolute twat ospw

@dmrfnk

Жыл бұрын

The gap is more useful than harmful. The hanger all in all is a weak design, but probably still workable. If the hanger bends slightly outward or just is that way out of the box you need to bend it back to get the gears spot on. If there were no gap, it could bend outward but not inward where it is narrow. If it is a springy type of alloy it still might have this problem where the gap closes before it bends and then you have to gamble snapping it if you apply more force.

Handmade at the italian countryside means you get a very individual and artistic interpretation of a bike frame.

@arbjful

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@jzxynow2a8gs21

Жыл бұрын

Sure lol

@rollinrat4850

Жыл бұрын

There's a sucker born every minute. Its all y'all's money, not mine.

Great demonstration of how people can be ripped off by flashy advertising

Just found your channel, absolutely superb! I love your knowledge, skills and humor. It’s raining today, so not out on my bike, I’ll be watching your videos all day, nice work! 👍🏼

Proof that you don't want a precision piece of equipment made by "artisans". Reminds me of when back in the early 2000's I saw a Ferrari chassis in the museum in Maranello. Spaceframe construction with some of the worst welding I've ever seen.

@kittytrail

Жыл бұрын

depends on said artisan and what you want. don't forget that nice welds are just that. ugly welds are fine too depending on what yuo want, a beautiful museum piece or a race car chassis for next weekend race, made in the '60s or '70s with that era tech and mindset, that won't be reused next season. oh yeah, and what you're willing to pay for of course. 😼

@golDroger88

Жыл бұрын

How can it "worst" if they raced with it and it held up?

@michael1

Жыл бұрын

@@golDroger88 Went fast enough for them to keep up and see the lotus winning the race

@jamesd7700

Жыл бұрын

@@golDroger88 A weld can look like complete ass and not break in every scenario. That shouldn't be a question. They're considered high end vehicles. Poor looking welds is something you see on cheaply manufactured parts. They cost what houses cost.

@golDroger88

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesd7700 Those are racing cars, not luxury cars... This mentality is why Ferrari does suvs now instead of F40s.

honestly honestly honestly. you'd never learn these things if hambini never made these videos. sooo much more details about bikes

Amazing analysis. Anyone that works on bicycles can learn from these.

Well fuck me, I've finally seen machining and fabrication worse than what I handed in during my BTEC Manufacturing Engineering course I did 25 years ago! The difference between me and Bertilini (or whatever he name is) is that I knew it was crap and decided to change direction and hide my crapness in the IT world! 😂

@frankling9840

Жыл бұрын

Best Comment I've read this year

Ich habe sie vermisst Mr.Hambini. Ich könnte ihnen stundenlang Zuschauen.

Superb video. This guy does not mess around. Shameful that bike manufacturers are dropping their quality, but not dropping their prices.

it takes skill to weld aluminium. it takes even more skill to weld titanium. but there’s no barrier to entry for people slapping carbon together. another carbon fail.

@zzhughesd

Жыл бұрын

Solid point. All those frame builders of old. Proud as punch. All those Reynolds tubes. Turned into a load of cheap Carbon dross.

@glennoc8585

Жыл бұрын

I did a welding aluminium Tig course years ago and to do a nice weld too some time. getting the gas mix a feed rate right is critical.

@debelifratar

Жыл бұрын

It is completely wrong to think that this issues are due to material used to build the frame. If you would take a frame made out of any other material and put it to the same scrutiny you would find quality issues left, right and center. A company that employes workforce with low set of skills for their carbon products will probably employ similar level for all other products.

@littleshopofrandom685

Жыл бұрын

@@debelifratar It seems like there was nothing really wrong with this frame when it came out of the mould. If they had finished it correctly, would have been a very nice $500 oem frame. Good value, nice looking. What? $7000? Fuuuuu

I’m Italian and I’ve never heard of this brand, nevertheless my comment is when you meet someone wearing a polo keeping its collar that way you can’t take him seriously. Italy is home of engineering and boutique manufacturing excellence with obsessed attention to detail and looking at this poorly put together frame makes me feel ashamed and very sorry for the owner.

@larryt.atcycleitalia5786

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Just like anywhere else there are people with pride in their work and those who are just interested in making money any way they can. I have made-to-measure bikes made by Antonio Mondonico in steel and Michele Favaloro in carbon, bikes I'd put up against the quality/craftsmanship of any maker in the world. Sadly these days marketing skills too often trump quality when it comes to success in not only the bike market, but elsewhere as well.

@MrJx4000

Жыл бұрын

I'm not even Italian and I feel the same way as you do "Top Reviewer" ;-)

@lesliereissner4711

Жыл бұрын

One of my bikes is a custom Tommasini Tecno: a masterpiece. And it certainly did not cost me US$7000.

@nowave7

Жыл бұрын

@@lesliereissner4711 Mind you, this looks to be just the frame that costs $7K!

@waynosfotos

Жыл бұрын

@@nowave7 it is, frame only. Even specialized charge almost this for a SL7 sworks frame only.

Thank you Hambini for pointing out the information on OZ cycling. We all appreciate it......

I live in Asia so I've seen a fair share of chinese no name frame. And that looks like a Chinese no name frame that didn't meet QC. Pretty sure they just bought frame from China and just slap their brand on.

@marino4691

Жыл бұрын

Looks pretty much like it. Would be typical Italian thief business making. You can be quite sure that the company owner also is a far right conservative fascist, complaining about immigration and how local businesses are being destroyed because of lacking nationalism whatever, while he buys frames in China. Would be typical Italian. I know it, I am Italian as well.

Since I started watching Hambini and Peak Torque, I shifted my new bike shopping from a number of carbon models to only Look or Time. But I have learned those two brands are actually, apparently, made from unobtainium rather than carbon. So I'm sticking with aluminum and steel. Carbon forks and other bits, sure, but not frames.

@Reanimator999

Жыл бұрын

I bought used Time Izon bike with a power meter under $2k USD few months ago. Handlebar, Wheels, and 11 speed groupset included. Izon is predecessor to Alpe d'huez model line. It took me a while to find Time bike within my budget, but it s worth it.

@dennisnel3602

Жыл бұрын

When I first started cycling back in 2004 I purchased a alu bianchi 9 speed shimano for $3500 a lot of money but I love it , a mate was into the Giant carbon thing I was a 55 m he was a little taller 56 m/l and he ask me to ride them and ask my opinions . The first one I tried felt what I thought was Mussie at best and for some reason 20 years on and 35 + bikes on my suspicions linger .

Agree with most of your comments about this (and the overall take on it) however the brake "flats" is a little disingenuous. The key thing on a disk brake mount isn't that the whole surface is flat (because in fact most brake mounts aren't flat from hole to hole, often "bridge shaped" in fact, so being flat is pointless)... however, the area immediately surrounding each post hole SHOULD be flat, and those should be level across both mounting holes. Basically you'd want maybe 4-5mm surrounding the bolt holes, being machined "flat and level" with everything else around it dropping away (to prevent any interference with any potentially flat-surfaced brake mounting adapter). Clearly that's still "wrong" on this bike, but having a dip in between the 2 holes, is not a negative (when designed for, rather than just random deviation as appears to be the case here)... in other words, a slight "U" shape where each bolt mounting point is the top of the U, is normal, but clearly in this case, it's just ugly made in general and based on the steel rule, I'd definitely think the bolt mounting flat surroundings are... not flat, LOL. Interesting, money definitely doesn't buy quality! Thanks for the video!

Great vid..more coming I hope! Thank you Chris

Great to see value you can get....not 1 DOLLAR i would spend for such a frame. Continue with your Chanel...for sure a eyeopener for many guys

Great video but sad at the same time. When you are supposedly buying an equivalent to a Brioni suit but in a bike frame, it should be perfect. After all, it’s not like you are skimping on the budget. There should be an option on the checkout page of all frame sellers ‘Hambini Fix’! Disgraceful. I’d love to have seen how the BMC Impec came out, that was described as ‘handmade by robots’. Also looking forward to the Hambini Time Scylon build, if that’s a dog I’m giving up cycling as there’s nothing to buy when I need a frame replacement. Really nice to see that Hambini has gone to the little details like the packing washers to do a belt and braces job - good work!

@salamelvisual6270

Жыл бұрын

Would love a bmc impec hambini vidéo, I got a frame but still waiting for parts

@jochenkraus7016

Жыл бұрын

You have a point, this frame is not cheap. How does "you get what you pay for" apply here? 🤔

@event4216

Жыл бұрын

@@jochenkraus7016 You pay too less and get accordingly, you pay way too much and part of deal is delivered as a lesson instead of actual goods.

I have a hard time combining “artisan” to carbon, especially for a company that says they only produce 250 frames per year. A brand like Schmolke might be the exception. For a steel or titanium build I see how that works, for carbon I’d 100% go with Time or something similar.

@tonyg3091

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, exactly! Artisan in my mind is stuff like Pegoretti or some of the Ti frames, but not carbon.

@pmcmpc

Жыл бұрын

Scmolke make their bars. Everything else they buy in. Rims are Munich Composites which are made by a machine. Cranks and stems THM ( they bought the company). Frames - open mold from Workswell in China. Newly revealed frame is a rebrand of a design by a Korean brand, and made in China.

@demand61

Жыл бұрын

@@pmcmpc aha, so not even them. Unless someone is going to make a mold just for you, “artisan carbon” makes no sense

@cd0u50c9

Жыл бұрын

As my old carbon bike is on its way out the only brand for a replacement that I would consider is Time, otherwise I'm going steel.

@tonyg3091

Жыл бұрын

@@cd0u50c9 Festka?

The bog cleaner bit had me in stitches.

11:07 The winspace frame you reviewed as seen on camera had a HUGE one of these, that you never addressed and I'm still perplexed till this day.

@weilliam

Жыл бұрын

The winspace doesn't use aluminum inserts in frame head tube rather just molded. His comment about this bike was if you were going to machine the aluminum insert, at least do it properly.

@Megadeth6633

Жыл бұрын

@@weilliam I've seen hambini bash full carbon headtubes more than once for this exact reason. Don't know what changed

I've had a virtual factory tour of a chinese factory with state of the art manufacturing equipment, packing and warehousing that starts with W and I've also seen a "artisan handbuilt" frameset from milan, italy. I know which one I'd rather build up and trust my life with riding after 5000 km+ done on the former.

@mateosebastian8555

Жыл бұрын

Does it rhyme with chin place?

@glennoc8585

Жыл бұрын

There are quality frames coming out of Italy still and elsewhere. Alan still makes quality frames although I'm pretty sure their carbon frames are built under contract to their designs in Taiwan now.

@xis10ial13

Жыл бұрын

@@glennoc8585 I don't know about Alan's modern frames but those glued Alu. frames that made them famous were definitely not quality. After use the glue would give up and give you clicking noises from every joint.

@dosgos

Жыл бұрын

Italy has some superb industrial engineering and production.

@HkFinn83

Жыл бұрын

@@dosgos not sure i associate Italy with ‘superb engineering’ but you know it’s possible to make stuff properly anywhere. Really not sure how ‘made in Italy’ is supposed to inspire confidence when it comes to carbon frames tho

Tnank you, i'm learning english with your videos.

@k-mc94

Жыл бұрын

A very good way to learn formal English for use in any workplace or public situation 😂

@chriswright9096

Жыл бұрын

Good God!

I haven't watched the video yet and this description made my day already 🤣

Love your work, man!!

It's DISGUSTING! The price they ask for crap frame. There are a lot of Cheap Chinese brands that are way better than that crap. ✔

@glennoc8585

Жыл бұрын

But there are also a lot if as crappy Chinese frames too just less expensive. Price aside a product must be fit for purpose and structurally safe. I'll choose the cheaper option as I'm happy to fix up and modify if need be. Most people can't it don't want to do that and especially if they're parting with a massive sum of the old hard earned.

@apair4002

Жыл бұрын

@@glennoc8585 A lot of good cheap uci indonesian & chinese frames. Ploygon Elves Pardus Gusto Java Etc Our ex-national pro rider win at national race just using non-uci $350 frame (Alcott). This is solid evidence that you don't need $7k frame + chunky AB ospw just to win crit race. The most important parts in a cfrp bike are all the rolling mechanism that need bearings. Just change all the bearings with hi quality low friction bearings and you are ready for race.

One of the first things I learnt as a BAe apprentice was 'Corners cause cracks, cracks cause crashes'. The engineering in the frame, considering the high purchase cost, is very poor.

Excellent review and the disney princess towel really suits you. :)

@Hambini

Жыл бұрын

Thankyou Big boy.

Frame isn’t faced, great job

Hey, for $7k what do you expect ... a full blown motorcycle? Oh, wait ...

@theegg-viator4707

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂

Love your bike roasting videos, especially the "high end" frames. Two requests: Can you roast the new ENVE frame and can you "roast" a frame that is actually very good?

Brilliant! Good old fashioned non-PC Northern engineering slagging from someone who knows their nuts from their grommets!😂 You Mr Hambini have just won yourself a convert and a subscriber even if you are a Lanc. Keep up the good work and that fine sense of humour.

Love the tablecloth bro, nice !

Brake mount looks like someone finished it one handed with a flap wheel.

@oftankoftan

Жыл бұрын

that someone is Michael J Fox

Be carfull Mr.Hambini. In Italy it's not unsuall that some Gentlemen suddenly come over for a visit.

@Hambini

Жыл бұрын

They'll have to get past Tyrone first

@benedettobenedetto

Жыл бұрын

Do you make jokes like this on black people too or are they politically correct only with italian stereotypes?

@generischgesichtslosgeneri3781

Жыл бұрын

I live in Germany. Italy is basically a joke for us...

@benedettobenedetto

Жыл бұрын

As you are basically nazis to us

HELLO HAMBINI! 💪👍😁

Just earned a new subscriber Hambini!

How about looking into a Decathlon (Triban) bike, perhaps they are better? Would be interesting to know.

@KleineJoop

Жыл бұрын

Those are aluminium. Van Rysel are carbon though i think.

@paullacey2999

Жыл бұрын

Ive had several Decathlon bikes,theyve all been decent bikes for the cash,but make no mistake if you want better quality youre going to have to spend much more......

The +1mm gap on the hanger is likely intentional- allows the hanger to bend inward on impact.

@markrossell8685

Жыл бұрын

yeah that's how it looked to me, although in the event of impact the lever effect of the derailleur would seriously munch up the carbon. and further more i am not sure hambini's solution to grind away so much material was a good idea. then he has to shim it out. i would have added more carbon, and then milled it. theres no way of knowing if there was enough material around the BB to support so much removal.

@davidbrown1060

Жыл бұрын

@@markrossell8685 totally pointless. The concentricity of the bearing is due to the machined thread made from stock material and not from the face of the machined stock. The 2 pieces of machined stock are in alignment. This guy is a bit unsure of himself.

That is absolutely SHAMBOLIC. My head asplode.

Thanks for waking up everyone on my deck this morning at 06:30

Imagine flying from North America to Europe to pick up an open mould frameset from China 🤣

@stevoc123

Жыл бұрын

This is what I came here to write 😂. What an absolute bag of knackers that frame is.

@TheMoodyedge

Жыл бұрын

Chinese back alley.

@okantichrist

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s a sign of more money than sense .Though the manufacturer should be hung drawn and quartered.🤣

@stevoc123

Жыл бұрын

@@TheMoodyedge not all china frames are shit, but if you buy direct and it’s £300 that’s totally different to paying 5k or whatever from Italy and getting something worse.

@Hambini

Жыл бұрын

It's worse because he knew it would be on KZread and still let it out of the door

I'd be heartbroken if the frame I'd bought for probably a substantial amount of groats turned out to be shite! I really shows that some "artisan" bespoke frame builders are no better than than the big boys out there.

@nuttynut722

Жыл бұрын

Better off with open mold in most case...

@Ob1sdarkside

Жыл бұрын

Steel is probably the only artisan frame I'd buy. My carbon frame is open mold that's better than the frame in the vid

@beaterbikechannel2538

Жыл бұрын

Ask your mates what they have kicking around in their spare parts pile. Or what your local bike ship has in the back. Fuji Track 2.0 frame, 100 quid. I had to repair the seat clamp but it's still going

@cd0u50c9

Жыл бұрын

@@Ob1sdarkside And I bet you paid a very small fraction of the price of the abomination being rinsed here.

@kittytrail

Жыл бұрын

@@Ob1sdarkside steel frame market mostly weeded out the geometrically challenged -'tards- and snaky-snaky handling builders. except probably on the social media promoted high end part of the market. a kind of reversed bell end curve if i may. 😏

Hi from Italy!! ....You're a sort of magician to me.... 🚴‍♂🚴‍♂

I wasn't focusing on the entire review, distracted by the blanket 😝😬

I see why they call themselves artisans rather than engineers....

Generally appalling issues aside, as Hambini has pointed out before, this is one of my big problems with threaded BB's in carbon frames. People crap on how they are better because they can handle lower tolerances, but you are assuming they can bond an alloy tube properly into a carbon frame properly.

@Hambini

Жыл бұрын

This is a very good point that often gets missed. When the original BSA BB's went out of fashion, a lot of the bikes were still aluminium. Now they are carbon and require a glued aluminium insert to take the threads. The flatness that is required will still require some post machining. Time will tell how long these things stay glued in for before corrosion sets in and the epoxy fails.

@pigeonpoo1823

Жыл бұрын

@@Hambini are there any checks you can do? Or is it a case of 'fine, fine, fine, massive crash'? And what riding / storage conditions would speed this up?

@larryt.atcycleitalia5786

Жыл бұрын

I insisted on threaded BB with the Favaloro bikes I had made - zero issues though I can now say pretty much the same thing for his press-fit frames...quality control counts no matter what!

@jochenkraus7016

Жыл бұрын

Ok, so I'll better stick to metal frames for N+1.

@machohogan

Жыл бұрын

@@Hambini My early 2000’s Madone’s never had any problems. Sold the last one last year. Nearly 20 years, threaded BB in a carbon frame.

If the BB shell is square and faced, you could pop a couple of shims in there to keep the BB off the paint. I have noticed that most frames regardless of supposed "quality" are really quite sloppily done. Especially carbon fiber ones. There is a tool that can be made from metal shaped just like a bottom bracket that is pretty much the same as a facer to make that flat the way it was supposed to be. It would have been good if the frame builder would have used one before the thing was painted

This is why I got rid of all my carbon bikes and now own a Moots Vamoots RSL. Best bike brand hands down. The quality is just the best there is.

Fascinating analysis! Just curious as to the customer’s thought process for selecting this frame manufacturer?

@zenspeed404

Жыл бұрын

"I've always wanted one of them fancy artisan frames from Italy, and now that I can afford one, let's fucking go!"

@rollinrat4850

Жыл бұрын

Pay more, assume he's paying for higher quality? Just an 'assumption'...... I'm a retired mechanical inspector. Quality is proven, it's never assumed. Especially when human life relies upon quality.

The Comet did not have square windows. The windows corners were rounded off. They knew just enough about stress and fatigue in pressurised lightweight alloy structures to know not to use a square - They just didn't know enough. Boeing should give De Havilland a thank you for all the work that was passed on, which they took full advantage of. Certain areas were found to have stresses 400% above that calculated. Instead of using adhesive as per blueprints, a roof section holding a HF aerial was riveted. The holes for the rivets were punched through and the rough rivet hole edges were the starting point for the failures. Edit: There is a name for the rounded square? Squound or something? Aha, Squircle I think!

@rjs_698

Жыл бұрын

The windows on Comet 1 were far more square than on any subsequent airliner - the rounding off of the corners is barely noticeable. The fatigue failure on the post-crashes fatigue test at Farnborough started at one of the cabin windows. The whole story of what went wrong is more complex than the one usually told (in that there was a fuselage fatigue test but that the test conditions were got wrong) but the complete change of window design on subsequent Comets is evidence enough that the original design was flawed.

@zefallafez

Жыл бұрын

Boeing built pressurized B29s that flew at 40,000 feet.

@martinda7446

Жыл бұрын

@@zefallafez They had a pressurised part, a tube, not the airframe. There were fully pressurised aircraft before too, but none that were able to fly at that 40,000 feet.

@martinda7446

Жыл бұрын

@@zefallafez It was a great advance of the art. Of course in these areas there is always something that has been attempted or tried or parts of the whole prior. This is all well established.

@EssKayTee1

Жыл бұрын

You're nit picking. By anyone's account and understanding they were square windows as opposed to the rounded ones that we see now.

I have a legend 9.5, it didn’t cost me $7K, bought it through a dealer in the Netherlands. It doesn’t have any of these issues. I do the work on it myself so I’ve examined every inch of it. None of these issues, well, the paint is chipped in places but I did that , I’m not American and I didn’t overpay to hang it on my wall, those type of comments are nonsense and you’re better off just making a cup of tea. Surprised the warranty doesn’t cover defects.

I feel the worst experience of this whole shit storm, was probably Manchester airport. Fucking toilet.

The garage of broken dreams

What about the general measuremens of the frame - how accurate, how centre'd the rear triangle is etc etc.

just barely missed the monitor when I spit coffee at the brightloo product placement goddamn

Having watched for many minutes (years) and seeing a lot of roastings, I wonder, has Hambini ever come across a bike brand he would wholeheartedly recommend to manufacture an almost flawless frame?

@larslosh5598

Жыл бұрын

Time

@markhall6026

Жыл бұрын

Time also Winspace

@kousueki7024

Жыл бұрын

ican also good.. trance velo made review on it too

@alan-sk7ky

Жыл бұрын

Carrera...

@laszlozoltan5021

Жыл бұрын

@@kousueki7024 "ican"? really ??? red chinese are very good at bait-n-switch caveat emptor

I just feel sorry for the owner. I'm sure there are quality frame builders in Italy. I'll bet they don't have slick web sites, or any web site. And they build in steel.

@firesurfer

Жыл бұрын

Do you mean like Cinelli?

@franco992

Жыл бұрын

Battaglin. Steel 😎

@lesliereissner4711

Жыл бұрын

Tommasini

@Paul020

Жыл бұрын

@@firesurfer someone may correct me on this. After Cinelli was bought by Columbus the frame building was contracted out. My opinion, when you contract out production you lose control over quality. With few exceptions.

@firesurfer

Жыл бұрын

@@Paul020 Cinelli canceled their contract in Jan 22. I think they are all made in Milan now. As far as quality, it really depends on the individual builder. They can be wonderful or meh, regardless of the company name. (as long as, it is not cf)

They probably had a bottle of wine (or three) before starting to make this frame

No internal inspection as in endoscope? One has to wonder how poorly laid-up this thing might be if they cared so little on the bonded-in alloy bits. Will it separate into pieces on the first big bump or first big sprint?

Hmmmm, i suppose the manufacturer said, your being to fussy or Hambini doesn't know what he is talking about. I am expecting that the frame to be 5000 pounds + easily. Disgrace is a understatement. And to all those na sayers out there, this is really basic engineering. Round holes and loccating surcface for bearings. Not rocket science. 🤦‍♂️

@Hambini

Жыл бұрын

Some people can't see Liz Hurley if she slapped them in the face

@trailfork7815

Жыл бұрын

Simply because some people are wired to be tolerant even when brands and other people are taking them in the rear

@rollinrat4850

Жыл бұрын

@@trailfork7815 I would use the word gullible in place of tolerant. I'm a retired mechanical inspector. Tolerance is a large part of our job.

@trailfork7815

Жыл бұрын

@@rollinrat4850 also a mechanical engineering student, tolerance really is a big part of the business, its the difference between a hundred dollar work and a thousand dollar work

@rollinrat4850

Жыл бұрын

@@trailfork7815 Right on! My daughter is just about to graduate with an engineering degree. Ive told her not to accept work in the bike biz. It can't possibly pay enough! It's also apparent from all these new overpriced bikes that engineering has little impact upon their design. Marketing bullshitters can do really well in the bike biz..... For what my work was worth, I was a pretty damned intolerant inspector. In the aerospace and medical industries, we don't accept excuses!

Could have 4 winspace frames and change for a few kebabs 😅

Great vid 👍👍

Great video. Thanks.

You can tell from afar that this is certainly not a $7K frame. Sadly, my guy has been taken for a ride. My Carbonda frame that cost less than $500 just for the frame looks significantly more refined and barely has any faults.

@apair4002

Жыл бұрын

Even hi-end frame should not exceed $3k.

American and an Irish bloke in a bar get chatting. American says he works for NASA. Irish guy says he lays flagstones for the council. American says " I'm an engineer, I work to tolerances of 1/10,000th of an inch. Irishman says " that's no good, my gaffer says I've got to be spot on " Now that is a joke, just like that frame.

Love your videos bruv

Gave the buyer a big, Italian middle finger. Great business model.

The “made in Italy” is becoming each year closer to “shitty overpriced product”. They did where the flagship of engineering in the 70s but now they mostly sell just based on the hype. I did live in Italy for 4 years as an engineer and witnessed how the country is just going downhill. This is just a reflection of that.

@Reanimator999

Жыл бұрын

It seems like they're living on their laurel and not putting effort to improve. Complacency indeed.

@patthewoodboy

Жыл бұрын

made in china

I bought a Cinelli in 1983 direct in Milan. The frame was "off the shelf". I could see the details left a little to be desired, but if you want it, that's the way it is. Italians have never been known for excellent craftsmanship. Design has always been their forte. This is why the fashion world centers on Milan. Some would say, how would you know it's special, if not for the defects? :) edit; steel is forgiving, CF not so much.

@tweed0929

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Milan has been a city of weapon makers for a huge part of millenia. The best armors and weapons were made in Milan.

@riccardovurchio5146

Жыл бұрын

Italian here - you can find excellent craftsmanship but I recognise that many many many too many abuse the concept of “made in Italy” and the whole narration that comes with it

@trizvanov

Жыл бұрын

@@tweed0929 Isn't it where Beretta come from ?

@glennoc8585

Жыл бұрын

I find the elite products to be very good.

@TheMoodyedge

Жыл бұрын

@@trizvanov Turkey

When a Hambini sticker can actually make or 'break' a frame!

I get a little concerned about carbon fiber that has had its finishing layers disturbed in order to correct the issues this frame had. I remember BMC had issues with the top tube on one of their frames which they decided to fix by sanding it down to hide a molding fault and in doing so they weakened the frame to the point that many of them failed. Knowing how the bottom bracket is the part of the frame is in the area where water is most likely to end up on a wet ride is it advisable and/or practical to apply some sort of lacquer or coating on the area that was corrected by removing part of the surface area so as to reduce the chances of water egress shortening the life of the carbon fiber in what is already an area of the frame that is subject to significant stresses?

Now I really want you to check Festka. I am thinking about buying their frame, but now caution is creeping in.

@ChrisYTube82

Жыл бұрын

Before you buy it tell them you are going to send it to Hambini and add a link to this video. Hopefully they will make you a good one!

@debelifratar

Жыл бұрын

I would not be surprised if many artisan shops are not aware of variability in their prodiction process. Especially if it's not tragically bad and at the end everything "fits".

@ChrisYTube82

Жыл бұрын

@@debelifratar they must know that facing the brake mount isn't a part of their process though. The mounts were like the surface of the moon.

WTF, the owner of that frame should have bought a Winspace. Imagine flying Milan for that? Milan's nice, though. I hope that person had a nice visit.

@Reanimator999

Жыл бұрын

Dude, I wanna visit Milan for food and fashion items.

@TheMoodyedge

Жыл бұрын

Winspace wipes the floor with that crap.

@EllisPedersen

Жыл бұрын

My seka is such better fit and finish than this I want to cry

@MrPagnu

Жыл бұрын

It’s Bergamo though

@devdroid9606

Жыл бұрын

Get a steel Battaglin or something similar. I would choose a Field, Bellé or Ligor. If you want custom geometry, carbon doesn't cut it unless it is lugged like a Colnago C series.

Hambini time!!!!

You're going to have to do one on the new Enve Melee frame. hopefully one of your subs is rich enough to buy it and fly it out to you.

Why didnt owner just send it back for a replacement?

@NewEnglandDirtRoadie

Жыл бұрын

for another frame that will turn out to be just as bad

Cycling industry, time & effort spent on: Flashy landing page and marketing bull 100% Making sure holes are round 0% Hambini, time & effort spent on: Flashy landing page and marketing bull 0% Making sure holes are round 100%

@borano2031

Жыл бұрын

Well, I reckon the princess blanket could be filed under "flashy landing blanket".. Rgr

@adrianc6534

Жыл бұрын

*holes

Pardon me for asking, but if they had put a normal facing and chasing tool on that shell before it left the factory would you have been able to screw in the BB so that you wouldn't have suspected anything was wrong? I only know about steel.

@rollinrat4850

Жыл бұрын

Any actual professional shop will do that after painting as a matter of procedure when servicing or replacing a BB. Doing this simple service takes less than 10 minutes and serves as quality ASSURANCE. That's even better than QC!!

i bought a rim brake second hand legend top of the range and there were holes in both sides in the underside of the chain stays near the drop outs. the paint had flaked off revealing the holes and as far as i could see the carbon material was wafer thin and not crash damage.

Hambini, could you recommend/list, the bike frame manufacturers and/or company’s that are safe to buy from? I’m presuming the list is going to be very small

Legend owners getting their pants pulled down, seen a few of these over the years. Not much better than the average Chinese frameset but £5k more expensive 'cause they got shiny paint....

You bettah call Tyrone, call him!😀

You have to get your hands on a BMC Masterpiece frameset (hopefully the Teammachine version). I need to know if it lives up to its name.

Artisan = paying 7k for a handmade frame with piss poor tolerances, which is exactly the justification (read: rationalization) most owners would use, saying those “imperfections” give the bike its character..

@Reanimator999

Жыл бұрын

"Character" is just an excuse to hide their ignorance and embarrassment.

@Bonky-wonky

Жыл бұрын

@@Reanimator999 ‘you don’t realize bikes are emotion. Feeling those far from round holes just tells me the frame is made by a craftsman in his little hundred year old workshop as opposed to your run of the mill frame which was made by robots’.

@Reanimator999

Жыл бұрын

@@Bonky-wonky It's the Emotion gets the worst of sound judgment. I made bad mistakes when I had emotion took charge of my finance in younger years. I got disappointed when I bought certain custom made item.

Approximate machining is best description of this makers work, Good thing they dont make life rafts

Nice vintage non round hole reaming you got there

serviced top Scott mtb xtrdi2. And its Carbon frame is a piece of ...Even found a 1x1cm chip like a hole inside carbon - and just painted at factory

I picked up a brochure for Legend 'bikes' a few years ago. I was quite impressed by the jargon within, but upon seeing this, I can literally see how gash it is on my phone. That is dreadful even the finish alone/vs price tag.