The title is misleading: we generally vote for national parliament every 5 years; it's the government that changes often, not the parliament (which is the only national body we vote directly for)

@dustin6804

Жыл бұрын

Exactly! I am not Italian but big into politics. What often happens is the government in charge loses confidence in the Chamber of Deputies and a new one has to form but rarely does that mean snap elections are held

@CurbYourGames

Жыл бұрын

litteraly the title says ''Why Italy changes governments so often''

@ellisford7596

Жыл бұрын

The title doesn't mention elections does it ?

@felixmarvu8055

Жыл бұрын

@@CurbYourGames they changed the title

@felixmarvu8055

Жыл бұрын

@@ellisford7596 they changed the title

The title is incorrect. Italy doesn't go to snap elections that often. Actually, less than many other countries in Europe. What happens really often is a change in government, while keeping the same parliament.

@ellisford7596

Жыл бұрын

The title doesn't mention elections does it ?

@matteoverzeroli3603

Жыл бұрын

@@ellisford7596 I think they changed it after

@michele1909bfc

Жыл бұрын

@@ellisford7596 they changed the title

@marcogelsomini7655

Жыл бұрын

we have also anticipated elections, did we?

70 governi in 77 anni tra 6 mesi 71 governi in 77 anni

@mattiascaccabarozzi

Жыл бұрын

Si spera

@spacecowboy5486

Жыл бұрын

Ma magari

@josephtoniutti1717

Жыл бұрын

Così tornano su gli eredi dei comunisti? Che iL Signore ce lo scampi

@mediterraneanworld

8 ай бұрын

come in Giappone! 58 Presidenti del COnsiglio (1945 - fino a oggi)

Title is wrong. There were only 19 elections after WWII, including this year's. Whereas the number of governments is higher, more than 60.

@ellisford7596

Жыл бұрын

The title doesn't mention elections does it ?

@brubovis

Жыл бұрын

@@ellisford7596 thanks for telling me. Glad to see they managed to change the title. Now it's correct :)

In Italy the government doesn't have a mandate, so it keeps running until the parliament vote it out of office or the legislature come to an end. This is because Italy is a parliamentary republic, so the people vote only for the parliament, not the government.

@leonardopaolieri1150

Жыл бұрын

tbh, the fact the legislature comes to an end is not by itself a reason for the government to change. in 2018, for example, Gentiloni's government continued to be there up to 3 months after the new chambers were put in place, because there wasn't an agreement among the political parties to overcome the stale. on paper the general rule is that a government ceases to be in office when a new one gets the confidence of the chambers. the elections by themselves of the chambers aren't a decisive factor in the selection of a new eventual government.

Rosatellum can't be the reason that in the past we've had so many governments. This is a new electoral system, so the reason has to be looked for in other areas. Also, our electoral vote is not in the constitution, and is prone to be changed often.

@Google_Censored_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

How in the world is it not in your constitution?? That's a core part of any constitution. That explains everything.

@nightly9651

Жыл бұрын

@@Google_Censored_Commenter Each constitution has pros and cons. The Italian Constitution that we know today was born only after the II World War... it's quite young so imperfect. Italy is such a young country whose system cannot be compared to any other powers in Western Europe. The existence of incoherent parts of Constitution is due to the fact that in the past we faced a dictatorship unfortunately, so basically the founding fathers did not want the country to turn into a authoritarianism again, indeed those people had all different political ideas yet the only thing they had in common was dictatorship's refuse. Obviously this doesn't justify anything but at least it helps to understand better country's main troubles

@Google_Censored_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

@@nightly9651 That's simply untrue. Virtually ALL of the countries in Europe had their constitutions born after WWII. There's no reason to treat Italy's with kid gloves. While not every country has had dictators, they had had monarchs with absolute power for centuries, our understanding of authority is not much different to you.

@nightly9651

Жыл бұрын

@@Google_Censored_Commenter You said it right: for centuries! Until 1861 Italy did not exist yet, so there is no point in comparing it to other nations! Each nation has a different story that's all. Besides nobody has never said to treat Italy with kid gloves. A little advice for you: just try to read more carefully or at least open a history book

@6beto

Жыл бұрын

Rosatellum was an attempt to solve the problem, adding First-past-the-post congressman make larger parties to have larger majorities in the Cameras that over represent them and punish little parties.

Pretty much the main reason is that in Italy both houses have to have confidence in the government. Both houses are elected via the same method but the boundaries for constituencies in the two are subtly different, allowing slightly different results which can lead to a coaltion losing support in just one chamber and having to resign

@jansojele289

Жыл бұрын

That's not It

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

Also the Senate has half the members of the Chamber so it takes fewer people switching to make it happen

@giog_33

Жыл бұрын

The Lost of support is rarely tied to the ratio/quota of chambers' components of a specific legislature, especially cause it's a *perfect* bicameralism, even now more than ever considering that the age limit, the only difference between the two chambers' elections, for voting in the senate (25 years) has been lowered to the one of the chamber of deputies (18 years). Plus, people express preferences for the senate and for the chamber in the same way, so the main reason behind crisis is merely political/game of power-pursuing among leaders and parties and not an instituional-structure one

@conforx

Жыл бұрын

No buddy, it's not true.

Same reason they have 77 names for pasta

@fedes7520

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂 dead!!!!

@Anonimo08753

Жыл бұрын

this just doesn't make sense

@JiafeiProducts6969

Жыл бұрын

That's also why humans have names? How would you recognize...

@user-vu6xv4qf7c

Жыл бұрын

There aren’t 77 names of pasta, there are just different pasta types. Same way you don’t call “meat” any tipe of meat.

@leedemha3855

Жыл бұрын

😅😅😅😅😅😅

Someone said "Ruling over the Italians is not difficult. It's useless."

@maxius7119

Жыл бұрын

Lol, why are we like this?

@Western_Decline

Жыл бұрын

@@maxius7119 y’all need a Mario party and a Luigi party.

@thomasprevarin8992

Жыл бұрын

That was “Il Duce”

@alessandrodelogu7931

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasprevarin8992 no, that was Giovanni Giolitti, prime minister of Italy in the early XX century, before Mussolini.

@07Flash11MRC

Жыл бұрын

@@Western_Decline Lmfao, you mean like the USA? Where the Rs f*ck over we the people on the front and Ds do just that from behind?

That is extremely true. Great job. From italy

This video is terrible at giving information... At the beginning it almost makes it seem like we vote every 13 months, while the actual average duration of the legislature is more than four years.

@JoutenShin

Жыл бұрын

The Italians elect the parliament, not the government. A government can fall to give way to another, with the same parliament, without new elections. Between one election and another, for example, three governments can pass.

@rubenlarochelle1881

Жыл бұрын

@@JoutenShin Yeah, that's what I said.

The title does not represent what the video is talking about. It should have been "The electoral system in Italy" maybe?

We change parliament every 5 years with the general elections. What changes so often is the government, with the prime minister. Being the government elected by the parliament needs at all time it’s trust by both chambers. If at some point this confidence fails in just one chamber we have what it’s called a government crisis. If the politicians can’t resolve it autonomously, then the president of the republic can dissolve the parliament, calling the general elections, or create a new prime minister and government from scratch with the already existing parliament.

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

it's called confidence

@eringsehgbbzfhbakncs6619

Жыл бұрын

bro im this paragraph is going into my essay for my world history classss. thank i rly appreciate ur help

Hey, CNBC International. How about you do a video on how Japanese elections work?

Apart we vote every 5 years ,the Parlament Is the same but the government change .The problem is that After the WW 2 and the fascism ,we did a costitution and a system where nobody can govern for the fear of the rising of a new Duce or fascism .At the end we have a lot of organisms and Powers so everyone control each others and the State Is paralyzed

The reason why Italy has more elections is because it has a more democratic system and democracy is messy. Italy has a buffet of parties and ideas where as the US has only chicken or pasta. If your goal is stability then you need to limit democracy...one can get Queen the last one in the UK ruled for 70 years or use fptp which favors the ruling classes and the rich in capitalist societies. Italy maybe unstable but it is more democratic than the UK, Canada India who have a king and FPTP and more democratic than the US.

@Anonymous-hp1tg

Жыл бұрын

Do you even know how many parties India have ????

@Drannn54

Жыл бұрын

@@Anonymous-hp1tg Yeah Modi who rules India for 10+ years. Excellent autocracy oops democracy

@Anonymous-hp1tg

Жыл бұрын

@@Drannn54 Germany - Merkel - 16 Years rule UK - Margaret Thatcher - 11 Years rule Germany and UK are also Autocracies !!!!!

@rajashashankgutta4334

Жыл бұрын

@@Drannn54 autocracy?

@Drannn54

Жыл бұрын

@@rajashashankgutta4334 yes

You say that like it's a bad thing. We are a Republic, not a dictatorship. The last time we had a government that lasted about 20 years wasn't a period we were proud of. Anyway, another reason that causes this is the abuse of the Article 67 of the Italian Constitution, forbidding the imperative mandate. This causes many politicians to "change suits" during their mandate, increasing the government instability.

Will I learn from this video the answer for the question stated in the title ?

@1956priscilla

Жыл бұрын

no

Well, it could seem a mess, but we are just trying to make everyone "happy" (in the sense of satisfied of their representation in the institutions and the vast range of options of voting they get) moreover our system avoid totally the risk of dictatorships due to specific laws and rules that forbid the total centralization of powers in a single figure. In case it happens (because everything is possible) if I remember correctly, our armed forces are allowed to go grab the bast*** and bring him into jail.

From this video, it seems Italy have a more democratic system which makes it harder for 1 or 2 parties dominate their political space. This is actually good considering Italy use to be a fascist country decades ago.

@achintyanaithani889

Жыл бұрын

No, no its not. Only from proper order can peace arise.

@giambi1980

Жыл бұрын

Totale agree with you

@thereita1052

Жыл бұрын

@@achintyanaithani889 those Who sacrifice freedom for order deserve neither.

@whyops

Жыл бұрын

@@achintyanaithani889 From where did you learn this?

@LucAga92

Жыл бұрын

That is actually the reason we have 2 chambers that basically do the same thing and the reason why we have a parliamentary republic and not a presidential one. When we wrote our constitution after WWII, so after fascism and after we outruled the monarchy we wanted to avoid the risk of a new totalitarism... But this lead to so much mess in that parliament that is frustrating to be italian and have to go to vote like every 2 year

This is really well put information for people abroad trying to understand, great work!

@matteocamerin7694

Жыл бұрын

You can't undertand the italian politics believe me, i'm italian

@rubenlarochelle1881

Жыл бұрын

Sorry to tell you this but no, this is not well put information. Sorry they confused you even more.

@mattkiraly9869

Жыл бұрын

@@matteocamerin7694 haha it's true. you can only understand that whatever is the case now, won't be tomorrow. it's all in perpetual motion.

Im italian, for everyone its an habit to see this scene, it would be weird to see a government that lasts more than 2 years...

How about make it less complicated first by choosing whether you want FPTP or PR? And then maybe merge those smaller parties that have similar view with some bigger party and also why draghi just resign and make a mess out of things he won the confidence votes and then just resign? Fully knowing that it'll lead to more instability...I mean if it's been going on for 70 years that means it's time for a radical change on the system

@CNBCi

Жыл бұрын

Italy's electoral reform in 2017 - the ‘Rosatellum system' - was designed to encourage smaller parties to forge coalitions, among other changes. But of course, there are many underlying factors to the political deadlock too.

@diegoyuiop

Жыл бұрын

We had PR until 1994 and it was the same. We had FPTP for two elections after 1994 and, again, same result

@Western_Decline

Жыл бұрын

@@CNBCi The problem is liberal democracy. Get rid of it. Replace it with an apolitical bureaucracy focused on delivering UN sustainable development goals.

@politicallycorrectredskin796

Жыл бұрын

@@Western_Decline Terrible idea. Unelected bureaucrats ruling for decades and decades in unaccountable fashion is our problem now and what Meloni etc is a reaction to. Make peaceful reform impossible, which is all people want, and you make violent revolution inevitable. The USA is also the very worst place when it comes to this problem. Look at Kissinger. He has never received even a single vote, yet he has been a powerful, appointed figure in DC for literally sixty years. This is 100% unacceptable to most Europeans. Not sure why Americans think it's fine, because it's not. Who does he works for? Why does he never go away? Bureaucracy makes politics meaningless. It's should therefore be as small as possible to prevent mistakes from becoming entrenched like they have become under EU tyranny. The ideal bureaucracy should be drownable in the nearest puddle.

@francescoaccomando7781

Жыл бұрын

We might come with semi-presidentialism with the new party. This problem of the government falling every 2 years and entering in a technical goverment not elected by the people has been addressed by Fratelli d'Italia and Giorgia Meloni. We have a 5 years mandate, but only 1 goverment (Berlusconi) has manage to complete it once since we have democracy.

Okay do UK next 👍🏾😂

As an italian i approoved the documentary . Truthfull, unbias and well researched.

The one who was supposed to be a Journalist (Friends' styled title) - How could you mistake such a simple statement? The well formulated question is "Why Italy has had so many governments" since its establishment - It is illogical to use the present tense for this observation, each country has one gov at a time. It is "street talk" to use the present tense. I would have expected more from you. --> BTW it is true that Italy has had and will have many governments

MMP with rank choice voting for the constituent portion makes the most sense.

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

agree!

I think you should be able to vote for a candidate and then for a party. You may support a certain party but the candidate in your district that you support is from a different position

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

Yes the voto disgiunto. We used to have it but then they decided they'd rather force their candidates on us, decided within their bureaucracy

italians doesn't change the government, the title is misleading, italians vote for the parliament (it should be every 5 years but they will loose representation and then we'll go to vote in less than 5 years). This is a parliamentar republic in which only the parliament is electing the Prime Minister (major difference with the US system). We delegate the parliament to vote the PM and someone could agree or not with this mechanism. Then the parliament is elected with that hybrid system described but no proof it will create more stability in my opinion.

Why? Why not?

corruption,greedy,scandals is why and their national debt is one of the highest in the world is also the factor

WoW😍 GUD NEWS👍️

the Prime Minister can remain the same by changing the majority and the team of ministers, it implies a trust of the parliament and it has happened often. therefore there are not 70 PM but much, much less.

Is this why the cable cars aren't maintained?

Maybe because in Italy democracy really works LoL not as others countries

@BigSmallTravel

Жыл бұрын

Agreed!

But he gave no solutions... I am tired of our politicians.

Japan and Italy have very similar systems - Japan has had 58 Prime Ministers since the end of WW2 in August 1945. Italy has had 45 since it became a Republic in 1946.

FPTP isn't democratic

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

hard agree

Cause we are like a flag in the wind, and we believe in everiting they are telling us, like sheep.

Do not become obsessed with material possessions that are unattainable.

It's a nice and well done piece about the current elections law, but it doesn't say literally anything about any government before 2018... The video doesn't answer the question in the title...

While having choices is important in a Democracy, churning through a Prime Minister ever year or so is terrible for any large term planning as no Prime Minister will have time even to come up with a plan (forget about actually implementing one). That has resulted in a lack of strategic long-term planning needed to boost a country's position on the European/Worldwide stage because the government is focused on only short-term moves required to survive another month. Likewise, the policy shifts between governments can be so drastic that it is a bit jarring at times. Remember when Conte was an anti--European populist who rejected the establishment (the Lega-5SM government)? Suddenly switched to being a pro-European establishment PM (the 5SM-PD government). As a point of comparison, Angela Merkel (05-21, Germany is also an FPTP + proportional system) has seen Berlusconi, Prodi, Berlusconi, Monti, Letta, Renzi, Gentilini, Conte, Draghi as PM (8 Prime Minsters!)

@gg_gameryt

Жыл бұрын

I mean, conte is just conte, he's... different

@CNBC …Pro tip : you can only explain an electoral system soundly using solid examples…

Gotta love the stereotypical "Italian" music in the background, not to mention the misinformation. I was gonna say maybe to take us seriously and just use normal music and say the truth, but I can't even take us seriously so why should anyone else. 🤡

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

where's the misinformation?

@daniglove2657

Жыл бұрын

@@StarryNightGazing If so many governments has changed in the last 70 years the reason can't be a law from 2017. Also, they only talked about changes in the parliament, while it actually remains stable for the five years it has to: the issue is that there are a lot of governments with the same parliament. So yeah, the instability caused by the system is a reason it happens but it can't be logically the only one. The more deep reason for this is that italian people themeselves change idea a lot about who they want in the government, and they always do it thinking "well this person could be the one who'll save us all!" but that's of course nonsense. And parties don't actually have a plan to put the country in a better situation but only think about gaining popularity and hoping it will be their time to shine for the next two years as it always happens with different people.

A problem we wish we had in my country.

@francescoaccomando7781

Жыл бұрын

what country is that?

@unknownzzz5115

Жыл бұрын

Actually we change governments but the politicians are always the same, they literally hide behind new party names or alliances but they are always there, look at Berlusconi, Renzi, Meloni, Salvini, Letta and everyone behind them... our country feels like Idiocracy.

@marcomvi4116

Жыл бұрын

trust me you dont want this bull s

@Bond047

Жыл бұрын

@@marcomvi4116 Ignore him....he is a woke Liberal....

Yeah, why?

CCp looks very stable

@francescoaccomando7781

Жыл бұрын

as stable as a dictatorship can get.

@ramumanickam1643

Жыл бұрын

🤦🏽‍♀️

Bring back Emperor Augustus. 😂😂😂😂

video has not a thing to do with the title

And of course NO ONE could figure out why we had so many governments! It's unbelievable! No one remembers the history of this country! We had so many governments (with so many general elections) simply because once (in the italian "First Republic", or "First Party System" for you american people, ranging from 1946 to 1992) every government had to step down for EVERY little thing, even without any important political problem, for example: - A new Head of State was elected? Let's make a new government (usually identical to the one before); - A new general election was held? Let's make a new government (usually identical to the one before); - Only one minister or undersecretary had to go? Let's make a new government (usually quite identical to the one before); - And so on... It was only "institutional courtesy" often... for the "ideological governments", this is the real list: - 1° government (1946-1947): centre-left and neutral; - 2° government (1947-1963): centrism and atlantism; - 3° government (1963-1976): 'organic' centre-left; - 4° government (1976-1979): left, many important reforms were done in this period; - 5° government (1979-1992): centre, with progressive liberism; - 6° government (1992-2018): right, liberist; - 7° government (2018-2021): centre-right, restored some welfare system; - 8° government (2021-today): right, liberist... And that's it... the REALLY governments, the ideological ones.

In Israel or Japan the government falls every month, so what?

@prashr4075

Жыл бұрын

Then didn't invent pasta or pizza

@truthseekers864

Жыл бұрын

In Israel it's a more recent development. We are going to have elections in a month, and I hope it will be stable this time.

@intersezioni

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseekers864 lately even england changes government every 3 months, it's called democracy!

@Tommyleini

Жыл бұрын

@@truthseekers864 do you think it will be more stable with Netanyahu back as PM?

actually we don't have that many elections. When Draghi resigned we were fully expecting Mattarella to just call someone else and form a new government as it happened so often in the last 10 years. The government falls often but we rarely get to vote it.

@francescoaccomando7781

Жыл бұрын

Im so glad we had elections, I couldnt wait since we got a technical government

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

well it wouldn't make much sense to form a new full government 8 months before new elections.

@francescoaccomando7781

Жыл бұрын

@@StarryNightGazing Well Conte II started in September 2019, we could have had 3 years.

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

@@francescoaccomando7781 what? We're talking about Draghi's resignation here.

Name of the competition: How many governments can you have in 77 years ? Italy 🇮🇹 gets the World Cup 🏆 with 70 governments . Congratulations 👍 Greetings from Germany...🍺🖐

@trakkadda

Жыл бұрын

Talking about the world cup nowdays is even more painful than talking about economy.

@mediterraneanworld

8 ай бұрын

Japan has had the same number - and they have the same type of constitution.

Italy became a mess since the fall of the Monarchy, I can’t see Italy operating right now if it isn’t for the EU (another large mess).

@jackmorass

Жыл бұрын

Before the fall of the monarchy, there was fascism. So, after all, we are still in a better situation.

@nicolassacoto8541

Жыл бұрын

Burocracy*

The Roman Republic had one year term consuls and it ruled the old world, perhaps we should embrace our heritage and give one year governments a try.

Why 70 governments in 77 years? I can answer that. The wise, moral and well considered Italian men and women rarely rise to positions of influence and consequence. Italian focus is very insular and provincial which leads to small minded bickering and destructive divisiveness. What makes this so sad because focused Italians are very productive.

Italy is a parliamentary republic, the people vote to elect the chambers and not the government (unfortunately). the Italian people went to early elections 4 times in 77 years. on September 25, the 19th legislature was voted on. basically he voted 19 times in 77 years. if there hadn't been a hitch, we would have voted 15 times over the years. while political instability at the government level is another story. this system is the biggest plague that Italy can have, but the Italians do not seem to realize it and pressed by their political leaders, they continue to defend this system. obviously for a politician this system is like winning the lottery every day and therefore they defend it. in a legislature we see the rise and fall of at least 3 governments when everything goes smoothly, sometimes even 4 or 5 governments in a single legislature. obviously these governments born from the union of jumbles of parties and matches, obtain a precarious and spit-glued majority and risk falling even before taking the oath. governments supported by 5, 6, 7 parties which together barely reach the minimum majority and sometimes not even that, these improvised majorities are composed of parties with completely different programs and ideas that renege on their electoral programs just to sit in the seats of command. the governments that follow, appear weak and unable to make laws, in fact they go ahead by decrees, decrees that many times are not ratified by the next government and that often collide with or overlap with other laws, furthermore these governments are not able able to follow a foreign policy capable of serving Italy's interests due to the differences between the majority parties that support them. but the icing on the cake is the possibility for the parties to govern without winning the elections. many times we see the reverse of the coin. the parties or coalitions that got the most votes during the elections sit on the opposition benches, while the parties that got the least votes go on to govern the country thanks to the game of alliances. in the last 10 years, we have basically been governed by a party that has never won a fair election in all this time. a paradox. In the entire history of the Italian Republic, only one government has managed to complete its mandate. only one in 77 years.

It's called democracy, instead of having lobbies that decides who will make their best interests.

Italy has the healthiest economy in EU now believe it or not

If unusual ear to hear.

It's because of this lethal mix of parliamentary system and perfect bicameralism

@joffon7785

Жыл бұрын

It's uncorrect

They do not like to be governed.

Yeah....this gov is very uncerntainty

What a strange system. I guess it's the sort of half measure that happens when you're forced to reform your electoral system, but none of the parties in power actually want to change what got them in power, so instead we end up with this mess instead of proper full PR. Also, wtf is up with the overseas seats? Is the idea that italians abroad are so detached from what's actually happening in Italy, that their views couldn't possibly otherwise be represented in parliament? If so, why the hell are they getting any representation at all? Why the special privilege? I don't get it.

@DarioSterzi

Жыл бұрын

We had more PR-like systems in the past but it was even harder to guarantee a government without overrepresenting majority parties The vote of Italians abroad is aggregated instead of going back to territories for the similarity of their interests and for practical reasons like logistics and the problem of guaranteeing anonimity

@Google_Censored_Commenter

Жыл бұрын

@@DarioSterzi a proper PR system is very easy to make favor the smaller parties, if that's your goal. (sainte lague) Going back to first past the post is the worst you could do to aid that goal - smaller parties will never win a majority without weird vote sharing happening, which is anti democratic imo. As for overses voters, are you saying they live in former Italian colonies or on small Islands or something? If that's the case, then why do they get a say in Italian politics at all? They should be independent. Also, anonymity is not difficult to ensure for mailed in votes. All you have to do is seperate the documentation that they are eligible, in a second envelope seperate from the one containing their vote. The official then only opens said second envelope, verifies it, then puts the first unopened envelope in a randomized pile, you only get to open when counting begins and all votes are verified. Simple really. Whoever told you anonymity was an issue here, lied to you.

@mauriziomonti8384

Жыл бұрын

@@Google_Censored_Commenter Originally italians living abroad (~few millions of people in general) had to come back to their last city of residency to vote, which is a bit impractical and may skew the result of that area as a person living now in, let's say, London has maybe a different interests than "small town" in south Italy. So it was decided to aggregate those votes to specific mps, voted at the consulate of the country of residence or by mail, who hopefully would represent more the interests of italians currently living abroad. If your question then is why so many Italians are living abroad, then search for "Italian diaspora".

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

MMP is not really a strange system, but I deeply dislike the FPTP part of it. And trust me, parties up until the 90s LOVED proportional representation. Also, what LOCAL representatives should the millions of Italians overseas elect, in your smart view?

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

@@mauriziomonti8384 also many people are literally resident abroad, so they have no residency here.

Corruption , corruption, corruption

Coalitions below 10% aren't eliminated from representation

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

Yes they are. It didn't happen because no one is stupid enough to join a coalition that borders 10%.

This video doesn’t actually mean anything

Just say you don't understand the parliamentary system

Because we're a parliamentary democracy and, like in every parliamentary regime, governments can change during the period between two elections. Also, you have to add a typical Italian feature: we've always been masters of political conspiracy.

this is a pretty cheap analisys that doesn't consider the passage from the first and the second parliament asset eras.

@mediterraneanworld

8 ай бұрын

American network what do you expect? First it has to be simple and second it needs to put the other system or nation in a negative light. Japan has the exact same issues!

We just get easily bored

because we love democracy and voting someone

As an Italian, it is very interesting seeeing how people of other Countries don't understand us. A very sad thing is that , often, we don't understand ourselves. Our voting system is made for instability , wwhere little men ( Renzi, Calenda) with very small parties that don't rappresent anyone, can be very important ; and there are, absolutely, no wwill to change it

@mattkiraly9869

Жыл бұрын

I don't think the problem is the voting system as much as it is that people are politically inactive and elect corrupt leaders. To have a functional democracy, you have to have an educated population and you have to have the demand from the people that their elected officials represent them - and in Italy neither of these two are the case. I live in Palermo and people here are so cynical that they no longer believe in the possibility that the elected politicians could possibly help them. Voting here is like a joke. That's the problem, that no one things elections achieve much. The electoral system itself is not bad.

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

Wow, that's an incredibly ignorant take. Small parties do represent people in Italy and if anything our current system unfairly punishes smaller coalitions (people are less inclined to vote for them and they have 8% of the vote but 5% of the seats). Representation is the soul of democracy, what you are proposing is minority rule which is an inch away from dictatorship.

@mediterraneanworld

8 ай бұрын

Why because in the United States and Britain, they do? At least in the last 15 years? @@mattkiraly9869

In our constituent assembly debates before India became republic, This was exactly the reason sighted for rejecting the PR system. Because when it comes to diversity, we have so much of it.. that no decision would have been possible with PR

@kiranp5611

Жыл бұрын

Yeah we would have been involved in more infighting than governance 😂 Even without it there is constant bickering by smaller parties.

@Western_Decline

Жыл бұрын

perhaps get rid of democracy.

@prashr4075

Жыл бұрын

But look at Indian history politics. One or two parties have dominated most of time.

@Bond047

Жыл бұрын

@@prashr4075 Because they have been elected by people...

@vere9652

Жыл бұрын

Every country is diverse, yet in all countries you have approx. 7 parties. It doesn't matter how diverse a country is, if you have a treshold of at least 5% of population to get into parliament.

Only Italy is invested by fascism NOT other countries luckely so I think Maslow should be ruotated.

Rome senator only have 1 year tram

Because we lack true capable politicians.

@chicco5033

Жыл бұрын

But we don't lack Chiccos as you can see.

@ChiccoMusic12

Жыл бұрын

@@chicco5033 haaahahha, I'm the original though

The reason of political instability, as said earlier in other commments, doesn't depend on the current electoral law. If we look at the past, there were two main political parties: the "Democrazia Cristiana" (DC) backed by the USA and the "Partito Comunista Italiano" (PCI) backed by the USSR. If one considers all the goverments until 1991 (when the PCI was closed) the DC was always at the Goverment and the PCI always at the opposition. Now the same happens for the parties which consider to leave the EU or the Eurozone, like the early Five-Stars Movement, that changed direction after the president of the Republic Mattarella refused to appoint Paolo Savona (a euro-skeptic economist) as the Minister of the Economy. So the reason is the influence of foreign countries and the easiness to corrupt some italian politicians. About the new Government, both the Northern League and Berlusconi have ties with Putin. A lot of action is going on. Stay tuned.

A really confusing system.

@demoniack81

Жыл бұрын

>italian laws >not confusing pick one and only one

@christianferrario

Жыл бұрын

Not really. 1/3 of the seats goes to the most voted party, the remaining 2/3 get distibuted between each party based on the percentages reached.

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

@@christianferrario most voted *locally*

The reason is because they all believe they are more capable than others. So everyone wants to rule.

"efficient policies" 😂

Nice cover

Wow, I couldn't take that. I prefer USA. Don't need things to be changes all that much or that frequently

5:28 pls lets not talk about renzi ingl

Very confusing system

😂😂😂😂 Making a mockery and pathetic abuse of democracy..... Shame Shame

@francescom59

Жыл бұрын

Abuse, lol , You don't understand a thing

you didn't understand political italian system at all. This video is totally useless, because misses the point

Two words: banana republic. Greetings from Italy

Because we r ridicolous

Here comes the spread going up to 500! Goodluck all of us italians!

Maslow is inverted , is ruotated , according to me so self actualization and self trascendence should be little in political view and the safety need and water , other should be important cause I want democracy teology is important as other , studies in education way but NOT in political way or other like Hobbes view .This is so te greatest contribution is safety need and water , Maslow hierarchy is weird and sound not smart as hierarchy . Metaphysics , theology and philosophy should be little but great for entrepeneur and scientist but the last according to me cause fascism and other totalitarism did really religious and mystics so the great need are food, water and others and we can preserve democracy luckely.

WRONG SYSTEM as simple as that

Italy is one country that should look into becoming a presidential or at least semipresidential republic in order to gain more political stability whilst retaining democracy

@francescoaccomando7781

Жыл бұрын

This is one of the point addressed by Giorgia Meloni and her party, and now that they won the election they want to propose a french style semi-presidentialism

@Old_Harry7

Жыл бұрын

Would not change much, the problem lies in the parties which don't have an ideology behind them.

@francescoaccomando7781

Жыл бұрын

@@Old_Harry7 it would not change because we dont have over 50% of parliament majority needed to change the constitution

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

@@francescoaccomando7781 *66%

@francescoaccomando7781

Жыл бұрын

@@StarryNightGazing yeah I didnt remember the right number. thank you

VIVA L'ITALIA E CRISTO RE 🇮🇹🇮🇹✝️🇮🇹🇮🇹

Beacause we are a stupid country. We killed mussolini, but he had a governament to 20 years

Thx U.S and U.K. 😉

Babylon is a sinking ship and all who drank from her cup are in serious struggle mode.

You lot have two voting systems, that's where Italians got it wrong. You can't have both, it's like having your cake and eating it 🤨.

@rubenlarochelle1881

Жыл бұрын

The elections of the Chamber and the Senate are regulated by two distinct laws. Sometimes they "happen" to be the same (they write it once and almost copy-paste it), other times they're different. One of the main problem is that, for some mysterious reason, the electoral law is an ordinary law, not a constitutional one. Ordinary laws can be changed with the simple majority of each chamber, theoretically in a few days, while costitutional laws require the majority of each chamber and, three months later, either the two thirds of each chamber or both the majority of each chamber and a referendum approval. In a stable country you would expect the most democratically relevant law not to be changeable by some random dude chosen by a minor party that happens to have the right alliances in a certain moment. I'm not saying we never have two consecutive elections with the same law, but almost.

@StarryNightGazing

Жыл бұрын

of course you can. MMP systems are among the fairest. It's a compromise between representation and stability.

@rubenlarochelle1881

Жыл бұрын

@@StarryNightGazing MMP systems are unethical. When democracy comes to compromises, it's not democracy. Ps: Also, FPTP is a different wording to obtain, de facto, the same result of a Majority Bonus, which is a disgusting fascist way to steal the elections, today only partially unconstitutional.

Electoral system is so bad

Italiana are not stable to begin with...so not sure how this expert thinks that italy hasnt reached stability? Huh? The USA represents its interests...remember Moro?