In the short while that ive been riding, I've learnt that the rear brake is only good for stopping at slow speeds, stop and go traffic etc. any sort of significant speeds and the rear brake becomes a suggestion. fyi the quality of this content is fabulous.

Finally, a good youtuber that sees the importance of the front brakes! I love the front breaks on my bike, especially now, I take She Wolf pillion. ;) (gets her to sit a little closer to me) and I get a squeal from her every time I engine brake. Caught myself "one finger braking" last week, in the rain... ^^ Keep up the good work. Best wishes as always, from the Lone Wolf in the lakes. 🕊

I'm a rookie rider and I've been beating myself up for not using my rear brake other than slow manoeuvres! When I practiced braking for emergency stops I was surprised how drama free it can be.

I remember braking in the rain on my K100 RT and there was a point when the rear tire was starting to skid under engine braking alone, so at that point, braking was 100% front wheel only.

Good content, but the 70/30 rule may still apply to cruisers. My first bike was a Kawasaki Vulcan EN500, compared to my second bike a Kawasaki ZX-7R. The braking experience of the cruiser bike is completely different and the front tire was much more eager to lock up. I have been riding a 2001 Honda VFR800FI with a CBS braking system for 2 months now. Combined braking system with interconnected front and rear brakes. That also gives a different braking feeling. It almost feels like the whole bike is squatting down in the suspension with a nose dive at the end. Emergency braking is really something you should practice on every motorcycle.

@Drobium77

9 ай бұрын

agreed! it's absolutely the most vital skill in riding

That's why msf refers to both brakes in threshold braking not a 70/30

The only time I've ever used a rear brake riding solo was on snow, ice or slush however it is useful 2 up because A , there's more weight to stop B , there's also more weight on the rear wheel which helps prevent lockup Edit, , other occasions would be around the last 15 metres or so braking for traffic lights etc in the rain where there's likely to be oil or diesel

i almost exclusively use the front brake for stopping. i'll use the rear brake for initial braking at times or just "cruising to a stop" and that's it. its too easy to lose traction on the rear tire in 90% of situations if its more than just baby tapping it

Also just saw the fortnine video and got thinking about braking. Very good in depth video btw, my deduction is everyone needs to get out to the lot and practice hard braking the front

I've been riding for 27 year on sports bikes, and I can say that if I need to stop for an emergency, I manage it, but I always lock the rear brake in panic. It's not a sign of a bad rider, it's just a natural instinct to 'brace' for impact. If you are one of the elite few who can brake like 'the experts' in an emergency situation.....congratulations, you are not normal

@cliveadams7629

9 ай бұрын

I've never locked the rear brake. I only use it at slow speeds when I need flexibility on the throttle. There will be virtually no weight on the rear tyre when braking at the max so even if you could find a way of not locking it, it will do little or nothing to stop the bike.

@raybrensike42

9 ай бұрын

I did the same thing when the sun was in my eyes and I missed seeing a stop sign, but then realized it was a 4 way stop. I didn't plan on locking up the rear but it happened and I saw the blue cloud of rubber smoke drift through the intersection in front of me and when it went by, I proceeded through the intersection.

@Drobium77

9 ай бұрын

that's all very well, but sometimes you don't have the option not to panic@@cliveadams7629

@carlostomas3698

8 ай бұрын

Why that works on braking with front wheel (not blocking) and doesn’t with the rear one? For both the no option with panic applies, no?

@cliveadams7629

8 ай бұрын

@@carlostomas3698 Because the weight transfers from the back to the front so unless rear brake pressure is reduced progressively, the rear will lock at some point. The rear wheel can be off the ground before the front locks up.

Good advice but Dont forget some bikes like my Honda VFR 800 VTEC have combined linked brakes that automatically apply about 20% to rear when i apply the front...i hardly ever touch rear for this reason....👌🏍️

70/30 doesn’t refer to how you should use the brakes! But where the distribution of braking power is within the bike.

70/30 has nothing to do with how you brake, it's how much braking power you have, 70% of a bikes braking power is in the front, obviously! The rear brake is just mainly for steadying the bike at low speeds, and during low speed manoeuvres. Also those are six pot calipers 🤣🤣

Did you blocked off that road? 😂 Instructor says 4 fingers on clutch but I actually have more fine motor skills when using 2 fingers.

The rear brake should also be used on braking, even on emergency ones! Braking with 2 brakes are always better than only one. Should start with rear brake (as with the front, progressively) to stabilize the bike and almost immediately start using the front brake (also progressively). As front brake becomes more used than rear brake is no longer doing almost nothing because the weight is largely transferred to the front and the rear should be progressively released. No doubt, it’s the front brake that would stop better and rapidly! As everything, it should be practiced in order to not let the rear wheel to block.

@Cake...

9 ай бұрын

True, except that I was taught in my course to use the front brake first and then the rear brake simply because the front gives you the most stopping power.

@thainaaier

9 ай бұрын

Use both front and rear brakes .... then immediately release the rear brake fully, once the bike starts to nosedive.

@CVarden

9 ай бұрын

Problem is new riders will just mash the rear in a panic situation

@carlostomas3698

9 ай бұрын

@@CVarden they will also do it on the front brake which is much worse. The “secret” is to practice continuously to know the behavior of the bike, starting slowly. It’s more common now to have ABS and that helps, the trick is when training don’t let the ABS to intervene.

@carlostomas3698

9 ай бұрын

@@Cake... Don’t know why things like that are teach by “official” trainers! It doesn’t make any sense, since starting with the front brake and if hard , the weight is transferred to the front, and there is no really grip on the back tire. If using only one brake, of course, use only the front because the back one will do almost nothing.

It’s got nothing to do with the number of callipers or discs on each wheel, a more powerful rear brake wouldn’t slow you any faster. The whole thing about ABS is not that it slows you faster but it allows you to steer, once the tyres lock and start skidding you just go straight on. That must be about the most unscientific test I’ve ever seen. You haven’t even mentioned the basics like weight transference. 2/10 is my assessment of your lesson. More research is needed next time.

70/30? Nah. 100/80 ☕️