The weakness of most martial arts seems to be that you're mostly training to fight other people who use the same martial art.

@kamo8741

4 жыл бұрын

I agree with you on that. If you want to be a good fighter overall you need to learn more than one martial art. I'm not saying mastering them, but just practicing them and being familiar with different techniques from different styles will greatly improve your fighting ability. Of course, this is just what I think, I might be wrong.

@mudkipzuzu

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Boxing is not gonna teach you directly how to deal with a wrestler, Taekwondo won't teach you how to handle Krav Maga practitioners, Vale Tudo is gonna do jack shit in a grappling match with rules, the list goes on.

@adz108

4 жыл бұрын

I disagree i dont think thats its weakness In some respects u could say that about most martial arts if that was the case it does depend on your training and what are u training for imo Are you training for self defense or are you training for competition For example..ur a black belt in bjj for competition then yes to a degree you may struggle against another martial artist because ur training does not take into account being slammed or punched so ur not blocking or worrying about closing the distance when on the ground But if ur training in self defense then the training is slightly different its the same moves but u pay more attention to self defense and disabling your appointment completely The kamora arm lock in comp training you do it to tap In self defence u break that arm in about 5 places When on the ground u fill the space u use ur arms more to covers or limit his movement When doing a triangle and ur on the ground in self defense ur taught to hook the back leg to prevent being slammed In comp training ur not I hope that makes sence In self defence basically ur being taught to handle urself in most common scenarios of fighting In comp training none of that is relevant and thats why it may seem this way Having said all this Any form of bjj training will help in any form of fighting regardless of how u are trained Once on the ground the fight is urs top or bottom they have zero idea there about to have their arm snapped or choked out or even realise that if they go onto the ground theres a chance they will never walk again. Bjj is a very dangerous yet also 1 of the safest because u control the pace of the fight and what happens to them is all on u Also like some of said bbj on its own or as a secondary is perfect Judo / bjj there fucked Wrestling/ bjj their fucked Boxing Kick boxing / bjj They are completely and utterly fucked U have advantages on all basis Me i live and die bjj i love it as a sport and self defense and suits mystyle as a person Being able to subdue a suspect or a hostile or intruder with out actually causing harm to me or him is something im very proud of I dont want to hurt anybody i dont actually like fighting But i love knowing the fact i can if i have too and knowing that if necessary u may lose the use of a limb or worst case scenario u may die.. Bjj is a very serious martial art and i assure u is very very effective

@PrestonK_Productions

4 жыл бұрын

@@adz108 Yeah, it's definitely effective, probably one of the most effective unarmed fighting forms ever made. But couldn't it be handy to spar with someone of a completly different style from time to time? It might not make much of a difference, but it could prepare you that much more if you encounter something like that elsewhere. Just to get a vauge feeling of how they move and get used to reacting to what they specifically do. That's what I figure, anyway. I could well be wrong.

@PrestonK_Productions

4 жыл бұрын

@@kamo8741 Or at least spar with people using a different Martial Arts to see how yours interacts with theirs.

A college wrestler has been wrestling for at least 8 years, so you are grappling an expert. No shame in that

@jwomackandcheese73

3 жыл бұрын

Wrestlers are going to be great at a few things. Neutral (standing/takedowns) being on top, front headlock, maybe on the back particularly if they a a leg rider. Nowww wrestlers will not be good on their backs they will expose them sleves a lot since that is how you lose in that sport. Also that mental toughness that comes with wrestling and that grind of weight and tournaments etc. Changes how wrestlers work. Wrestlers are used to that go go go mentality. Having great technique helps and set ups but it is different than BJJ because there can be much less set up involved. It can be slow and methodical but it is much more fast paced than BJJ tends to be. There are some BJJ dudes who go fast tho. Craig Jones and the Martinez brothers are two examples of that fast paced BJJ style. Both compliment each other really well. I think wrestling is a better base since the only major difference is wrestling bars most joint locks and choke positions. Otherwise you are in the position to hit those techniques a lot of the time. Like if someone shoots a sloppy double you can get into front head, sprawls, go behind etc. BJJ you do that you are probably getting guillotined pretty fast.

@legendviii9114

3 жыл бұрын

@@jwomackandcheese73 while that is true it all starts with being able to get the wrestler in those positions, at my gym we have a 4 year D1 Wrestler who destroyed NAGA just because he was able to double everyone and finish from side control

@hillalahmadzai9042

3 жыл бұрын

Lol where’d you get that from? Ik ppl who never wrestled until they were in college or almost finished

@joshuakang4507

3 жыл бұрын

@@hillalahmadzai9042 hell no. The vast majority of college wrestlers have been wrestling since elementary and middle school, and are state qualifiers/placers/champs

@patrickmorgan4006

2 жыл бұрын

@@hillalahmadzai9042 Anyone who is a successful wrestler on the college level did not not start wrestling when they got to college. Most start in elementary school. These days it's rare to even have a successful wrestler who started as late as freshman year of HS. I started in 4th grade, wrestled in HS and college, and am still wrestling and coaching at 62 years old so I've seen a lot.

My judo sensei told me often that every martial art is weak to other martial arts. We get hit by the things we’re not looking for

@davidwilliams4837

5 жыл бұрын

Very true.

@SwordTune

5 жыл бұрын

Boxer Vs Muay Thai Boxer: I got this. Muay Thai: Leg kick? Boxer: ow Bjj Vs CACC Bjj: I got this. CACC: spine lock? Bjj: ow

@richmannylow

5 жыл бұрын

Facts I'm Brown belt and have trouble against karate students

@dtmfool789

5 жыл бұрын

Oh man I love that

@mmahyper9307

5 жыл бұрын

I think MMA is perfect, but it is not only one martial art, so you' re right

Bodybuilders....no problem. Wrestlers and farmers.....problem.

@canadiannavigator3346

5 жыл бұрын

Brian Myers ... 😂😂😂

@anaussie213

5 жыл бұрын

It’s the strength endurance/cardio. The bodybuilders will be done in minutes. The wrestlers/farmers will have strength and endurance for days.

@shootermcgavin6610

5 жыл бұрын

And Dont fuck with Matt Hughes .

@johnyguitar258

5 жыл бұрын

farmers wtf is that lol

@prakharshubhasung4620

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnyguitar258 farmers are pretty strong due to the amount of hard labour they have to deal with. Especially a well fed farmer.

Dont feel embarrassed about getting subbed by a wrestler. At the end of the day, BJJ, Judo, Wrestling, its all effective grappling.

@Thesinistereyes1

5 жыл бұрын

if you can mix them all + some striking will make you an amazing MMA fighter.

@finding_aether

5 жыл бұрын

A BJJ guy came and wreck up our Judo class. We definetly picked up some stuff that improves our Judo. Learning from other arts is good for you.

@justindchaney

5 жыл бұрын

Right. The guy that was frustrated because he lost despite having 7 years experience didn’t realize that a lot of wrestlers start at like 4 years old. The wrestler had 7 years experience when he was 11 years old.

@Jamie-zs8ok

4 жыл бұрын

He is probably rolling in his grave now

@andresmiguel2573

4 жыл бұрын

TheSinisterEyes1 Fighting is different to just learning martial arts dude. You can be the best Bjj, wrestling or striking practitioner but if you don’t fight, don’t even compare yourself to a UFC fighter. Totally different environment.

Wrestling = pure aggression If you're used to going very slow and methodical and playing guard all the time, you're going to get smashed.

@tylerrousey525

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah I just started training and noticed I am a lot more aggressive than anyone else who didn't wrestle when I roll. I don't even mean to be but when you wrestle even only in high school you always went all out everytime so it is a habit.

@bono894

5 жыл бұрын

Sometimes being overly aggressive in BJJ gets you in trouble and leaves you open to a lot of counters.

@tylerrousey525

5 жыл бұрын

@@bono894 yes I have slowed down some

@yamommyromsies6418

4 жыл бұрын

I bet you think any athletic guy is a wrestler😂

@aquilonianace4791

4 жыл бұрын

I pull guard everytime on wrestlers. They get submitted like nothing. Those idiots love posting up

"No experience?" He's a D3 wrestler for God's sake!

@lasvegasloner4621

4 жыл бұрын

At one time in the early 2000's when I told my first Jiu-jitsu school I had been a "decent" wrestler only in high school, it was mostly ignored and somewhat scoffed at. That's where the confusion comes from-- not long ago it was normal to disrespect us. They even smirked at each other when I simply offered my opinion about MMA news and overall grappling. It was very quiet when I started taking down everyone in there and onlu the upper belts could control me (and they did-- subbed me left and right as long as i stayed down there entangled with them LOL). But yeah it was hard for the lower and middle level belts to accept me, even though I was being open nice to all of them, telling them I need to learn from them as well. Wrestling was shit on in the early days, over and over.

@stevesteve7354

3 жыл бұрын

He meant no experience in bjj

@francisconikotian2326

2 жыл бұрын

@@lasvegasloner4621 thats a bad cult like mentality that im glad is not in bjj anymore.

Wrestlers that are new to jiu jitsu don’t “play the game” like those who have only done jiu jitsu. Not to mention they tend to be more about the grind whereas the jiu jitsu guys tend to be more laid back in their grappling. Especially if you’ve been at a gym a while. Once the wrestlers start “playing the game” more you can deal with them for a little while. But once they get a few months of training in they are dangerous fellas because they start to catch on to the “tricks” in jiu jitsu. You can’t discount the years they have spent wrestling. They have acquired a lot of knowledge in how to grapple with people and it is usually at the point of muscle memory. You teach them the jiu jitsu side and they can teach you the wrestling techniques. Everyone wins

@UserName-ii1ce

5 жыл бұрын

I always ask the wrestlers to teach me their skillz

@mr.berimbolo827

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah when I started Jiu Jitsu after high school wrestling I made friends with some blue belt guys and I'd beat them sometimes and I'd see the look on their face as if they're disappointed in themselves and I feel bad so I let um know that I did some wrestling and their Jiu Jitsu technique is far better than mine. I think it's just the wrestling cardio that gave me an edge along with the understanding of how to move my body and balance on the ground. My top game was good but off my back I was crap lol

@Culvey

5 жыл бұрын

I wrestled for 13 years, coached wrestling for 2 years (I sometimes say 14 years because I did train for one tournament in a 14th year lol.) I came in and was crushing guys who were blue belts when I first was rolling, but then there was a blue belt who was strong on the grip game and it killed me. Being a wrestler, we don't learn grips on clothing, and having him controlling grips ruined 80% of my grappling game.

@rye-bread5236

5 жыл бұрын

It's even more so in no gi. Wrestling is legit 50% of no gi. As someone who wrestled for a bit as a kid and trains no gi bjj. I can go toe to toe with blue belts. Standing and in top position. I have 2.5 months of bjj under my belt(haha.) And that's about it. Still uncomfortable on my back so I immediately try to shrimp out or sweep or if they touch my legs triangle.. That's literally all I do from bottom.

@AstralS7orm

5 жыл бұрын

@@rye-bread5236 That's a good choice for self defense too. I mean immediate shrimping or sweep. Don't want to get kicked in by some accomplice. :) Sometimes it's not an option and that's where all the BJJ skills and tricks come in.

Wrestlers are Explosive you cant Be slow with a Wrestler.

@technore7870

5 жыл бұрын

Most wrestlers are explosive

@yessir640

5 жыл бұрын

@@technore7870 No shit just said this.

@technore7870

5 жыл бұрын

@@yessir640 you said wrestlers are explosive not most

@thunderhammer1937

5 жыл бұрын

Psycho True words, this is at the core of a wrestler.

@naryrokobs1847

5 жыл бұрын

The gracie family could destroy any wrestler. Wrestlers use too much energy too quickly, a top tier bjj will be able to choke him out like he was a middle aged dad who attempted to run a mile

Wrestling and ju jitsu compliment each other good to have skills in both.

@skys6655

5 жыл бұрын

Bort exactly wrestling is good for g&p. Jj is good for locks and submission. Me i rather stand up and strike cuz i gas out on the ground

@aidandixon6028

5 жыл бұрын

@@skys6655 Then you should practice bjj, I used to gas out really fast too, I've done jiu-jitsu for a few years and now I can keep rolling without getting gassed for a good 15 minutes.

@skys6655

5 жыл бұрын

Aidan Dixon nah i just practice takedown defense and counters to stay up. I wrestled in hs and i just came to prefer striking its more fun imo

@zedek_

5 жыл бұрын

@@skys6655 Catch Wrestling has all the locks, aside from possibly the ones that use your legs to attack (like triangles). They have strangles, wrist locks of all kinds, and a shit ton of leg locks. What you know as the rear naked choke, they refer to as the "sleeper hold."

@skys6655

5 жыл бұрын

Zedek interesting

Wrestling practice makes any BJJ class i've ever been in a light warm up.

Complacency kills your jiu Jitsu game

@Chewjitsu

5 жыл бұрын

Very true.

@benscott19841

5 жыл бұрын

Ego as well.

@ZioTrickz

5 жыл бұрын

Exactly dude.

@carlostorres8771

5 жыл бұрын

So does chronic masturbation

@lootsmcgoots436

5 жыл бұрын

I’ve become more complacent since I got my blue 1.5 years ago. I’ve been telling myself I’m more technical but after reading your comment I believe I’m just being lazy

He's a D3 wrestler, tf did you expect?

@bipedalhominid6815

5 жыл бұрын

Afroeducated D3... that's like CC lol

@cowboyzfan713

5 жыл бұрын

@@bipedalhominid6815 I know, but he wrestled in college. I've seen HS wrestlers fuck up guys that are pretty good.

@Makarislethal

5 жыл бұрын

D3 college could equal wrestling since he was 6-7 years old. People that care enough. To wrestle late in life are LONG time grapplers. He could have 10yrs+ grappling wrestling is very efficient vs bjj with a little awareness of subs

@bmcustoms1646

5 жыл бұрын

exactly bro, Wrestling is a Martial Art those dudes are sick... im not sure why people think that wrestlers can't roll... what do you think they do all day lmao

@BearMetro

5 жыл бұрын

I've grappled good wrestlers. I get submissions early on, but after a few rounds, I'll usually lose control and just survive. Never been tapped though by them tho. That would be strange lol.

People make no mistake, wrestling doesnt come with a belt system. However in the scope of mutual understanding, college wrestlers are "seasoned black belts" of grappling. Different than Jiu Jitsu but deadly none the less. If a collegiate wrestler trains bjj as they did the art of wrestling .......you have yourself a different animal there!

@josethebroski1865

3 жыл бұрын

For sure man wrestling is said to be one of the hardest sports to get a scholarship in so anyone that makes it into a college for a wrestling is a definitely a force to be reckoned with especially here in the Midwest where we’re pretty big on wrestling. Honestly I would be impressed if they said they placed at state or something because any high school wrestler can tell you how big of an achievement it is to even place at state let alone get there in the first place

@MrNeCr01

2 жыл бұрын

D3 would probably qualify as Brown Belt, but above that, they are certainly masters in their art.

@CBKDaHottest

4 ай бұрын

Wouldn’t say all college wrestlers are black belts lol different type of black belts also competitive and the ones who don’t compete

Wrestlers are ALWAYS a threat!! Period!! I so regret not wrestling in HS....Oh well....good post!

@elrey8876

5 жыл бұрын

You could try watching Vision Quest to make up for it.

@BloodofPatriots

5 жыл бұрын

Wrestlers suck. Goddamn energizer bunnies. Never quit, never stop... awesome training partners.

@alexloenhart5553

5 жыл бұрын

Same man

@beefnacos6258

5 жыл бұрын

I used to beat all the wrestlers using BJJ and wrestling technique.

@shadowdance4666

5 жыл бұрын

I have HS wrestling and pre HS wrestling experience along with pre HS martial arts education. That’s ingrained knowledge in both body and mind

I never thought a guy who trained in grappling most his life was able to come into this grappling gym and beat me

@lasvegasloner4621

4 жыл бұрын

@@emperorjimmu9941 been trying to say that for over twenty years my friend. The trouble is for more than twenty years wrestling was shot at and picked on and doubted from every angle possible. Now I see all these comments with understanding and better wording than I use, but it's bittersweet because the concept you just wrote was seemingly known by so little. I feel I should get credit for suggesting it so long ago, meanwhile all the others had to learn it and now write it. Its good that they know now, but the worst is the ones PAID to talk on air about MMA even misunderstanding it and there I was, poor with my 9 to 5 job with no connections and several of them didn't know wtf they were talking about making great money. It's not about eh money but the respect, but still.... I could have had an easier life knowing far more than they were getting paid for.

True story: one time when my dad was training for about 3 years, a beginner walked in and gave my dad a rough time. My dad knew he was a wrestler, but it’s still bothered my dad for a bit. Well, that’s wrestlers name was Chris Weidman.

@finalfrontier001

5 жыл бұрын

he is shell now.

@RenaissanceGrappling

5 жыл бұрын

@@finalfrontier001 i legit have no idea what u are saying my dude.

@broskiproductions49

5 жыл бұрын

That's awesome

@ray.n_l

5 жыл бұрын

@@RenaissanceGrappling Romero knocked the champion out of Weidman

@lasvegasloner4621

4 жыл бұрын

@@ray.n_l Yup - another wrestler. Romero is another creature. It happens to everyone eventually if they stay in the game. Weidman is great though, hopefully there are less and less people than only think about the last results someday and fully understand the sport. The wins count too.

If you're a casual BJJ guy its is nothing to a college wrestler who only focus on 6-8 hours of training and weights every day with other high level wrestlers that were all the best high school wrestlers and got a scholarship for this. What else would happen. Teach a good wrestler the basics of BJJ and they will dominate 90% of blackbelts of the same weightclass. Hence people like Jon Jones.

@TheRedRuin

5 жыл бұрын

Jon Jones has a Black belt in Gaidojutsu, a bjj system specific to mma. So far from the basics of bjj as you can get.

@tangobelair

4 жыл бұрын

@Tommy Hass are you the tennis player ?

@robspear03

4 жыл бұрын

@Over the Edge Short Stories ...and doping.

@aikikoto

4 жыл бұрын

truth.

@michaellynch8021

4 жыл бұрын

Josh M Being a great wrestler doesn’t mean you’ll beat 90% of jiu-jitsu black belts. Any good black belt has learned how to wrestle a bit along the way. I’m a blue belt and was a mediocre high school wrestler and I’ve been able to handle college wrestlers who’ve learned the basics. It’s definitely not an easy match but wrestling for so long gives people muscle memory that may be less than helpful for jiu-jitsu.

I wrestled in high school. Having gained that mental and physical conditioning, basic training wasn't even that bad. There were only a few days that were equal or worse than wrestling practice...the 26 mile road march to the gas chamber and back, (w/50 lb ruck sack) , and maybe the last day or so of hell week. Wrestling trains you to endure through impossible pain and prolonged discomfort . Skills, balance and conditioning are first in wrestling...physical strength is last. You can get destroyed by lanky, scrawny wrestlers with skills...and it ain't fun...lol

@ashtar3876

2 жыл бұрын

Dayum

@Masculinebehavior

Жыл бұрын

Are you a Seal?

@PrideV6

Жыл бұрын

@@Masculinebehavior I think thats what it sounds like lowkey lolol I seen a video saying 80% of wrestling pass buds

The best grapplers in MMA are wrestlers. Bar none. Jon Jones, DC, T Wood, Khabib, Romero, TJ Dillashaw, Henry Cejudo.

@travisera1

5 жыл бұрын

Damian Maia. Wrestlers, the great ones, get to choose to grapple or strike and that choice gives a huge advantage. That said, woodly chose to avoid the grappling with Maia. The united states also creates a huge pool of wrestling talent. We don't have a pool of talent in jiu jitsu that is remotely comparable. If we had Jiu jitsu programs in high school, if we trained kids from age 5 in jiu jitsu, we could see more jiu jitsu people on par with Olympic wrestlers. If that happened, my money is on the jiu jitsu guy in a pure grappling match.

@baewuf

5 жыл бұрын

Daniel Cormier

@elel2608

5 жыл бұрын

Bethesda Boy Donno. Damien Maia is good but again, T Wood beat him. Covington, another elite wrestler, also beat him. Wrestling (positional grappling) is simply the best choice for MMA grappling. BJJ submissions can only come about by good positioning which wrestlers have for days. Hard to submit a wrestler if you can’t get proper positioning on them. You can’t out position a wrestler, especially if he’s elite like Khabib, Ben Askren, or Colby Covington. Only way to beat them is to learn how to strike powerfully from the guard and other positions on the ground. Only dude who is a BJJ guy (but who was originally a wrestler) that does that is Tony Ferguson. That’s why I think he can beat Khabib.

@michaelharder9737

5 жыл бұрын

Its the effect of a combat sport that allows both striking an grappling, and has short matches. The guys that focus on staying on top will come to it a lot more naturally.

@phoenixamaranth

5 жыл бұрын

@@michaelharder9737 Agree, it's definitely a side effect of the rule set. If MMA was back to 30 minute rounds and matches like early UFCs, it'd likely be different but wrestlers are well trained for the given rule set of short rounds and points for scoring takedowns and being on top

My first combat sport is wrestling (since 1998). Joined my first BJJ tournament in 2005, scored with takedowns and defended against submissions all the way to winning gold. Tomorrow, I'll receive my purple belt in luta livre. :-)

Wrestlers will make you better at jiu jitsu. I've lived the same ass whooping many times. The solution is to learn how to wrestle from these guys.

@erikbritz8095

5 жыл бұрын

i am happy that you say this cause many people think it's not beneficial when in actuality i feel wrestling should be learned as a base then jui jitsu to sharpen what you learned there and then iron sharpens iron from there via cross training this makes things different and makes you improve more.

@jordanthomas3346

5 жыл бұрын

@@erikbritz8095 Yeah dude you might be right. I'm a brown belt with 10 years on the mats and I just started training with these 2 wrestlers and it has improved my game big time. Wrestlers do weird shit that forces you to adapt. They never let the position settle, and they attack aggressively. Crazy bastards.

@erikbritz8095

5 жыл бұрын

@@jordanthomas3346 Haha yes and wrestlers has a different power and strength to their rolling same as how Bjj guys have a different kind of strength when sinching up subs

@jordanthomas3346

5 жыл бұрын

@@erikbritz8095 Definitely. Keep training brother. Osssss!

@Wisstihrwas

5 жыл бұрын

There is even a video of craig jones stating that possibly the next big evolution after berimbolo, 50-50, rubber guard and inside triangle/ leg lock game in jiu jitsu could or should be really good wrestlers with above average jiu jitsu dominating adcc. Adcc features points for take downs. Dominating wrestling could just throw the opponents, let them get back up and throw them again. Thats btw how i lost my first bjj match against a brown belt judo guy with a withe belt in jiu jitsu

There's one D1 wrestler at our gym that I always roll with. His single leg takedowns are INSANE. I've been humbled big time

Legit enjoyed this video. Very very true, I am a 1st degree Black belt, former MMA, former Wrestler and I still get these natural bad asses. It happens, and I like your take on it.

@Chewjitsu

5 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed the video. Thanks for the comment brother.

Wrestlers have always been more conditioned and stronger than bjj guys, simple fact.

@aidandixon6028

5 жыл бұрын

Wrestlers who know bjj have always been more conditioned and stronger than bjj and wrestlers guys, simple fact, no martial art is _the_ strongest martial art.

@MWAclanGaming

5 жыл бұрын

It's about technique not strength

@aidandixon6028

5 жыл бұрын

@@MWAclanGaming They compliment each other, it isn't one or the other.

@NaJk93

5 жыл бұрын

Issue there Daniel is that Wrestlers without BJJ training of any sort (strict traditional) will nearly always lose to BJJ guys. As BJJ guys practice wrestling moves but wrestlers don't know how to stop an arm bar or a triangle choke. But yes, wrestlers are often stronger than BJJ guys. As wrestlers often aim to get stronger to be able to overpower your competitor more than the bjj.

@danielj233

5 жыл бұрын

@@NaJk93 Bjj win the submission game, unless punches and slams is involved.

We have this older guy (like me) who did 20+ years of Judo, black belt and all that. No stripe white belt in BJJ. Wanna know the feeling of being airborne? Roll with this animal. Very impressive stuff. Love rolling with him, helps my stand up game a lot.

In north east Pennsylvania all JiuJitsu classes are wrestling heavy. Wrestling is the number one sport in Pennsylvania.

@Chewjitsu

5 жыл бұрын

I've heard that and love the idea.

@dredned

5 жыл бұрын

Chewjitsu yeah my kids elementary wrestling team has about 40 kids. Plus there’s an elementary wrestling club with another additional 20-30 kids. It’s best thing for young people IMHO

@teddythickness7734

5 жыл бұрын

Didnt that crazy guy who steve carrell played have a big wrestling academy in pennsylvania?

@timbryant1621

5 жыл бұрын

I've always figured jits in strong wrestling regions are way more tougher and explosive than average jits guys.

@VapeCatOriginal

5 жыл бұрын

In my mom’s basement from the Lehigh valley I’m a 6’3 jiujitsu fighter that comes from wrestling

I was that wrestler at my judo club. After 25 years if wrestling, I learned pretty quick, the only difference is the rules.

@acyutanandadas1326

5 жыл бұрын

Tyler G Nice Without rules a boxer may beat a wrestler may beat a judo man, may beat a muytai etc etc. The Filipinos have been occupied by Chinese, Japanese and Spaniards. They had to learn to defeat all methods and adapted what worked from enemies

@acyutanandadas1326

5 жыл бұрын

In escrima our teachers tell us '' the only rule is no rules''

@FM-kb3hf

3 жыл бұрын

@@acyutanandadas1326 no wrestling and bjj dominantes the ufc 1-12 whitout rules. Wrestling defeat boxing 8-10.

@acyutanandadas1326

3 жыл бұрын

@@FM-kb3hf agreed

The wrestlers are my gym def bring a lot to the table and improve everyone around them.

lol i was that wrestler that got to shake things up at my gym... but now im nothing special. this video was 110% correct. edit: i only wrestled in highschool

@mr.berimbolo827

5 жыл бұрын

jerrymack95 lol same here. The wrestling cardio helped me out big time. Everyone would gas out before I would

@BearMetro

5 жыл бұрын

I've been on the other end. I'll get a few submissions but I start losing control after a fee subs. After that I get controlled and I'm forced to just avoid getting tapped lol. Wrestling is legit man. That's why I've made sure to incorporate it into my game.

@iceman2721

5 жыл бұрын

My favorite thing was hearing "fuck, he's a wrestler" I also only wrestled in highschool and I wish I did alot more, but this always boosted my ego especially if I can get that teacher to just walk away because he has no more advice for his students

@Chewjitsu

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment brother.

@rhinocrook

5 жыл бұрын

Same here @ 10th planet Atlanta. And I’m the smallest guy in the gym @ 135 pounds

Having rolled with my fair share of wrestlers back in the day, I found that the biggest gap wasn't due to technique, but to overall fitness. Your average BJJer doesn't kick off a roll by running six miles, doing five hundred push-ups and carrying their buddy up a flight of stairs. Get your fitness on lock and your will have a much easier time dealing with them.

“I’ve done a little....” this is key for “I’M EXPERIENCED” ....

The wrestler will have a fitness advantage, which takes years to accomplish

@MelaninMagdalene

5 жыл бұрын

Yep. I use to jog miles with a collegiate wrestling champ. He'd take off towards the end.

Dude, this was so helpful. Ive been dealing with this recently, felt down on myself, pissed, infuriated, and just trying to figure it out. Thank you for the insight.

Props to you for taking a whooping in front of your students and NOT giving up until you figured it out. You taught them all a valuable lesson. Most guys would be too worried about their egos to handle this. A guy in town where I’m from refuses to train wrestlers or mma guys because he doesn’t want to look bad, he just has to be the man. Iron sharpens iron

@juanaguirre3978

Жыл бұрын

You can't win them all. There's always somebody else that's better no matter how skilled you are.

College wrestlers are usually beasts. A lot are/were H.S. State Champ's or high level H.S. wrestlers.

@Chewjitsu

5 жыл бұрын

Yes they are.

@bondjames-bond7664

2 жыл бұрын

What abt world champs ??? Like Jordan , sidakov , sadulaev ... I always wondered how an average Joe fares against a world champ freestyle wrestler ??

Kimuras and guillotines are a wrestlers kryptonite. But even then it’s gonna take you a while to get it on them. College wrestlers have the positional awareness of a brown or black belt, this does not mean that they have the submission skills. They are well aware of the positions and have the natural biomechanics down pact to not be put in those positions. What BJJ fighters need to do is evolve their training and stop starting sparring matches from the knees. There also needs to be more positional sparring such as starting the sparring match the other guy on a single leg and fight from there to get out of it. Wrestlers are masters of cardio and often times BJJ guys approach wrestlers with the flow rolling style and they’ll have a tough time. This is just my experience from rolling with wrestlers

@BearMetro

5 жыл бұрын

You're not wrong. Luckily these are my most efficient submissions lol.

@wayne47able

5 жыл бұрын

Nano X The Kimura to me is the most affective submission and the guillotine is the most diverse submission. You can get a guillotine from closed guard, mount, side control, standing, arm in, arm out. If there’s any Choke that you want to use it would be that or the basic rear naked choke or darce. Wrestlers styles are just Taylor made for kimuras and guillotines. The kimura is by far the submission that I go for the most.

@BearMetro

5 жыл бұрын

@@wayne47able How much experience do you have? I totally agree. I like pulling Kimura from standing position, I'll drop into guard right away then open to adjust my angle. It's extremely versatile for sure.

@wayne47able

5 жыл бұрын

Nano X I’ve been training since 2012. I’m a blue belt. I’ve been one for 4 years mainly because of knee injuries that I suffered on the Mats and playing rugby

@BearMetro

5 жыл бұрын

@@wayne47able That's cool bro. I've been on and off for about 3 years. I've trained mma so I haven't actually join a dojo for strictly jits. I'm technically not belted. Injuries are the worst. I've hurt just about everything lol. Nagging injuries but honestly at this point I'm already accustomed to it.

thanks for this amazing video. I've been going through that a lot recently. Im a bluebelt and this new guy shows up with a 15 year boxing background, and he's also a capoeira master, and he gives me that heat, and it has taken a toll on my ego. Thanks for helping me figure it out and understand that it is gonna make my bjj better. cheers!

@Chewjitsu

5 жыл бұрын

Happy to help Ian!

The biggest thing is to respect the wrestlers, yes it is their first week of BJJ. But some of these wrestlers have a life time of wrestling experience, just because they don't walk in with a belt. It is rude to say "no experience". Great video as always! -longtime lurker-

Grappling is grappling. Guy was a d3 wrestler imagine having to go against khabib on his first day of bjj

@shotto_z4790

3 жыл бұрын

D3 guys aren't quite like khabib that's more like high level s2 and d1 guys, mostly d1.

lol I wrestle for Mizzou D1 and I could tell when I went to my first bjj class the higher belts got very annoyed with me and even claimed I lied about not doing bjj before I laughed it off and explained I've been wrestling since I was 5 and I understand the basics of how to tie someone up and hip pressure, plus I'm strong from the sport and my strength coaching I have at school. Anyway everyone loves me now cause I made everyone have to get better at wrestling or they would lose to a white belt lol

@MisterSpaceDuck

5 жыл бұрын

eric Vandiver I’m about to transfer to mizzou in the spring semester from Slu. I box down in the Cherokee Rec Center daily, do you know of any places I could get some actual coaching and training once I’m in Columbia?

@ericvandiver3739

5 жыл бұрын

Nat as far as a boxing gym I think there is one but there is a 9round here with at least a lot of bags. There is an mma gym here to with some striking.

@VinylUnboxings

3 жыл бұрын

@@ericvandiver3739 What belt are you now? Still training?

I had this experience with a wrestler... thought I had a nogi baseballchoke, until he tears my ear with his elbow haha. I love rolling with wrestlers, im lazy and they are beasts that teach me lots.

@salvadorvidrio6031

5 жыл бұрын

That's the prefect mentality to have! I'm going to learn and I'll be better because of this.

Wrestler with some jujitsu will win everytime...all current UFC champions have wrestling bases.

@roninblax

5 жыл бұрын

Holloway and whittaker too?

@LucasKingPiano

5 жыл бұрын

Brian Ortega will get a belt soon.

@sujitsharma4346

5 жыл бұрын

@@roninblax both of them dont have bjj blavk belts...and Whittaker represented Australia in wrestling at the commonwealth games.

@PutonyourSundayBests

5 жыл бұрын

@@sujitsharma4346 'both of them don't have black belts' wtf does that mean? And how does it mean they have wrestling bases? Neither have wrestling bases. And Rob didn't represent Australia at the commonwealth, he was going to but didn't in the end. Also even if he did that doesn't mean his base is wrestling, he's good at wrestling because of MMA, he's not a wrestler.

@PutonyourSundayBests

5 жыл бұрын

@@sujitsharma4346 That makes no sense, you can have a bjj base without being a black belt and that's also totally irrelevant to the wrestling base claim. Holloway and Whittaker both started out striking. Neither have wrestling bases as you originally claimed.

Wrestlers learn JJ very quickly, it’s just another move to learn and incorporate into their technique. Most, (not all) but most collage wrestlers are guys that have wrestled since they were 5 or 6 years old they have a lifetime of training and experience.

Wrestling is incredibly important for bjj.

If you compare hours on the mat, 7 years off and on doesn’t compare to a collegiate wrestler. Hours are hours. Can’t fight it. Can’t beat it.

Awesome view on this! This was the way I felt about these types of situations, but I wouldn't have been able to put it so cleanly. Nice to have a shareable video on it!

couldn't agree more sir, our opponent can be our best teacher at times, great advice, and vital in the development of our grappling skills.

Been there, done that. Wrestlers always shake things up at my gym. And in the end they always make everyone else better. God bless them.

i was getting destroyed by this wrestler/firefighter for months, but i became so strong just rolling with him. good dude, but it was tough and rough in the beginning,glad i went through it tho.

Great advice! Thanks Chewy. I get a lot from your videos!

Thanks for posting. One of the most honest and insighteful discourses on KZread.

@Chewjitsu

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Stefan.

Yes sir! Got a new Kyokushin Karate Black Belt in the gym, great guy, insanely tough to roll with, very fight smart and crazy strong and explosive.

Great analysis! I used the train in BJJ and my sons have done both but now they are high level wrestlers (college D1 All American) and you nailed it. Embrace the wrestlers! He in only 19 but often holds clinics at BJJ academies for college money! The BJJ guys love his clinics!

Wonderful and encouraging video. Don't give up, slow grow your skill, be grateful for unorthodox opportunities. Well said!

I love the part where you said it doesn't matter if you're in a dominant position, always be on your guard and be mindful of your openings. That really stood out to me, thank you!

2:16 - 2:20 Let me give you the REAL answer as to why he didn't want to make a "big deal about it". As much as I love martial arts, traditional or contemporary like MMA, you have to understand that the martial arts community is extremely toxic and is rampant with all sorts of egos. I remember years ago I had gotten in touch with an old coach who I used to train with even longer ago, and he invited me down to his new gym where I saw some old training partners and met some new ones. One of his new students (still experienced) whom I never met before asked me if I had any experience in martial arts and I told him yes, I did. He asked me in what particularly and I told him that I came from both a Kodokan Judo and Combat Sambo background, had been doing Jiu Jitsu and Muay Thai for a couple of years at that point, nothing too crazy, and most importantly, I DID NOT BRAG OR BOAST ABOUT ANYTHING. This guy, who was much bigger than I was, for some reason, interpreted me talking about my background (that he asked for) as being a dick who felt like he was untouchable as if I was acting like I was Jean Claude Van Damme or Steven Segal, so he went and told EVERYONE in the gym that I was a "bad ass". I pretty much had a target on my back after that, and in all of our classes, the whole team beat the ever living shit out of me because of something that ONE guy took the wrong way. After they realized that they couldn't mentally break me and I gained their respect, they finally came out and said that they were just trying to "humble me", and I was like "humble me about what?" "Well such and such said that you said that you can whoop anybody's ass, you can do this and that and der duh der" and I was like "what are you talking about? I never said any of that shit" and they were just shocked. I was decent in everything at the time in terms of striking and grappling and have NEVER considered to be high level or elite in any martial art. I got picked a part for almost a month by the advanced students all because of what one guy went and said, and they all just took his word for it. People in these types of situations will throw you to the wolves if you aren't hip to what's going on and how they are as people. But I digress... Years later I trained at another Jiu Jitsu school for a brief period of time, and after learning my lesson the first time around, I said that I wasn't going to say jack shit to anybody about my level of experience except the head instructor. So I roll with a bunch of the blue/purple belts even though I am still a white belt, again, I come from a Judo and Sambo background originally, and all of them IMMEDIATELY said to me while we were rolling "what the fuck dude, you're not a white belt, stop sand bagging" when they would try to ragdoll me and I would show adept defense in my grappling skill, even though I am legitimately a white belt, I have so much experience and I'm very familiar with Jiu Jitsu that I can hang with the intermediate and advanced students. So in actuality, you're damned if you do and damned if you don't when it comes to saying things about yourself in terms of your background. I've heard even worse horror stories behind guys saying what they've done and people taking things the wrong way.

@Pric3less1

5 жыл бұрын

Nill Gddy you big mad or little mad?

@Pric3less1

5 жыл бұрын

Nill Gddy since you cared enough to reply.

@Pfsif

5 жыл бұрын

Beware of Narcissist in all area's of your life. Assume everyone is one till proven otherwise.

@Pric3less1

5 жыл бұрын

Pfsif oh yeah, absolutely

@FaunyOne

5 жыл бұрын

Wow that's scary I am sorry for your experience.

Well said. I started BJJ 9 years ago. I have been taught by a friend who was a national level freestyle and Greco Roman wrestler. He also had a brown belt in BJJ. He schooled me over and over again. 9 years later I still haven’t submitted him. He’s always on his game. Having said that I have trained with hundreds of guys all the way up to BJJ professors and have survived and submitted a few of them. Mostly I survive the 5-7 mins and sometime get a position and the start of a submission. I give tribute to my friend who continues to humble me. Both BJJ and wrestling are very humbling experiences. Osss

Great points Chewy. Being open to learning really helps development and growth.

This is a great bit of advice. Wonderful stuff Chewy.

I know exactly why that happened and how to keep it from happening again. Here goes: I did BJJ for almost a decade in the nineties to 2002, even went to couple of seminars with the Gracies when they came to my Army base. Took hiatus & went back to training & teaching standup with occasional ground stuff in class. Fast forward 2015, went back to BJJ and was getting smashed all over the place by some purple and up. After a few classes, I realized that BJJ is no longer what the Gracies introduced decades ago and that it has now become more of a submission wrestling. For instance, back in the day, moving too fast was not recommended, rather using leverage and timing was. We used more side mounts rather than side control (which I believe has always been the wrestling version). Side mount though not as solid as side control, allowed for ease of transition to top mount and potential for strikes and submissions. Trying to do a side control on a wrestler is like make water flow uphill. They pretty much train explosively how to defend a pin (side control, top mount, etc.) and employ a pin (side control, top mount, etc.). So it shouldn’t matter if the wrestler spun you around like pizza dough, just be patient and wait for the inevitable mistake where he will extend his arm, think he is getting a pin when you let him in your guard, etc. I guarantee his wild movement will eventually reveal an opportunity for an easy submission especially if you do it from guard. Fighting from the guard has proven to be the best way to beat a wrestler in my experience. Unless you are young and powerful like my good man here on this video, I wouldn’t even recommend guard sweep, rather guard submissions (armbars form the guard, triangles, omopolatas, etc.). I think that the infusion with wrestling in modern BJJ has escalated the game however which is possibly why Matt Hughes was able to defeat the great Royce Gracie. Great wrestler who learned some BJJ and used both against the BJJ Master. Just my two cents addition to what this incredibly knowledgeable young man on this video has already stated.

@erikbritz8095

5 жыл бұрын

if i'm not mistaken the man who started BJJ from japan did judo and judo is close to wrestling he fought in street fights and destroyed people and taught the gracies judo is a similar to wrestling and i think overtime Bjj moved away from wrestling and now is moving back to it.

@bighands69

5 жыл бұрын

I have trained extensively in BJJ but my background is wrestling and Boxing. The first time I ever did BJJ I was shocked by the fact that they do not focus on control and in many circumstances will allow people to get top control or side control because they are so focused on submissions. I would say that BJJ could be dangerous in a street fight because the practitioner by instinct could end up in a position where they allow the opponent to get a physical advantage. Royce Gracie was a seasoned MMA fighter before he came to America. He had competed against many styles and the gracie family also had a strong connection with judo. Pure BJJ schools do not have any of this. It is also hard to gage the elites of a sport against a local club competitor.

@tampadeal2619

5 жыл бұрын

It also didn't hurt that Royce was about 73 when Matt Hughes beat him :- )

@guysmalley

5 жыл бұрын

Tampa Deal then don’t take the fight then.

@tampadeal2619

5 жыл бұрын

@@guysmalley - yeah, that would make the most sense, but, as you have undoubtedly witnessed, many real/true fighters (especially those, it seems, who had experienced great success) are in denial about their best days being behind them. Just look at what just happened with Chuck Lidell. Eventually, Father Time always gets the win.

Bro love your channel are used to wrestle in high school along time ago and I’m getting back into MMA training because your channel so thanks a lot man you you really inspired me to get off my ass and see if I still got it LOL and if I don’t I’m gonna get it back but love your channel man I’ve got really good points keep it up👍

Thank you for acknowledging that us guys from other styles can grapple. I come from a Folkstyle and Catch Wrestling background. When I visit Bjj gyms, as I frequently do, the contrast is pretty apparent.

Glad you touched on the back thing. The hardest part for a wrestler transitioning to MMA is getting comfortable being on their back.

Wrestlers are tough. Period.

@ark5070

5 жыл бұрын

rudai123 bjj’s technique overrules a wrestler’s toughness. You’d be surprised how tough bjj people are.

@lucasday7330

4 жыл бұрын

@@ark5070 doubtful. All but 2 current UFC champions arent wrestlers. Wrestling is by far the most important base in MMA.

@ark5070

4 жыл бұрын

Lucas Day if u watch UFC you’d know that most bjj guys dominate in the octagon. Nate Diaz just won against Anthony Pettis who also beat Mcgregor in the past. There’s also a KZread video showing a wrestler of 5 years against a bjj guy of 2 years, and the bjj guy won. BJJ by far is the most successful in UFC

@bigbay1159

4 жыл бұрын

@@ark5070 BJJ doesn't over rule anything more than wrestling does that is silly. BOTH have their own techniques and the skill and discipline coming from wrestling can't be argued. Also currently the UFC is being dominated by Wrestlers. The only contender currently is Tony with his 10th planet but he isnt the one fighting right now.The entire HW division is dominated by wrestlers. Yes nate just won and has amazing BJJ but that doesnt negate that tyron, covington, and Usman (all ranked higher) are all wrestlers. Bantaam weight is domniated with wresters (champ is a wrestler, former champ also a wrestler)

@bigbay1159

4 жыл бұрын

@@ark5070 I love and train BJJ but it is now where near the dominant grappling form in the UFC right now, that is going to the wrestlers.

Haha, he says the wrestler comes with no experience, but it's not true, he comes with DIFFERENT experience, with tactics you don't know. This is why you should be open to all new experiences and training.

@Chewjitsu

5 жыл бұрын

Right! This is why I say, Wrestling is still Grappling and should be respected.

@MakeYouFeelBetterNow

5 жыл бұрын

@@Chewjitsu I agree with you, I was commenting on the guy who sent the question. For me, I think I like MMA wrestling even more than BJJ.

Awesome channel man. Keep up the good work.

This has given me much perspective on the arts. Love it

Worked on my wrestling today for two hours, so glad to see this posted. I love bjj but i have zero wrestling experience. I am a surfer first here in San Diego and bjj a close second. I have a great wrestling coach very insightful and goes step by step with me. Surprised how sore i have been from wrestling classes. My gi and no gi classes are fun with technique and hard work in the mix that we use at end of class in open mat. But wrestling is just pure work and I am gassed at the end, using some new muscles i guess. Glad i started, need to develop wrestling skills. Chewy you need to come to San Diego for a surf vacation and some mat time. Thanks aloha

@nelson1954

5 жыл бұрын

where do you train wrestling?

@connorbaldwin1008

5 жыл бұрын

City of champions on Wednesday mornings. Its a real workout , fricking love it. But this week surf is going off @@nelson1954

@taiji1478

5 жыл бұрын

surfer and bjj? LOCALS ONLY :)

Wrestlers use high intensity, distraction, and aggression. The reason we do that is because the high intensity hopefully never gives the chance to catch up, distraction is used because everyone is taught the same stuff and how to counter it, that's why for example, you'll see wrestlers do a head pound before a double leg, that way as your shooting your head back up to see what's going on, the wrestler has already broken your guard, split your legs, and he has the takedown. Lastly we use aggression because we get so angry when we can't do the moves we like cause people like to counter them, so sometimes we'll either get angry, or literally force the move. An example of forcing the move would be burying someones face into the mat with one hand, and feeding your arm through to create a half nelson, or open palming someone in a cross face very hard to work a butcher cradle. If u can learn to play like them you'll do just fine. Just understand you can't bring low energy or anything less than 100% to a grappling match with a wrestler.

@airgunningyup

5 жыл бұрын

most legit wrestler answer

@sicsempertyrannis9024

4 жыл бұрын

Tap. Shoot.

@vamvakisa316

4 жыл бұрын

spot on! excellent

@lasvegasloner4621

4 жыл бұрын

Most of it true for many- well said especially the first part. Not all of us wrestlers "get angry" when we seem aggressive, some of us are frustrated and angry, and that might lead to it but many of us just ratchet up the power because we still want to win even though the opponent has enough countering to stop our more successful moves, so you blend in more speed and power and maybe two distractions to blast through and still score. After all, why do it the same if both are neutralizing each other? The "feeding your arm through" in my area was called a "quarter nelson", and us old timers taught it like that, looking down at the situation like a clock or geometry. It doesn't match perfectly to the words LOL, but it mostly works out. I like how across the country (and world) the names for moves slightly change over time. It can be maddening when it comes to coaching, but ultimately it's funny to hear the other names. Like what on earth is a "butcher cradle"? Sounds great like I would like to know it, but likely it's something we know as another name. I was a north east guy so that's where I learned our names for the moves.

@jonathananderson7990

3 жыл бұрын

@@emperorjimmu9941 Personally, having a small background in boxing, tai kwon do, and wrestling. I gotta be honest... There's just no other way to grapple in my opinion than to go 100 percent. Learning moves is for a separate session. The faster you train the faster you can pull off or identify and think. Period. Sounds kinda like you've gotten so used to BJJ, that you dislike high intensity. Sorry but boxing or tai kwon do, yeah don't strike your sparring partner as hard as you can, but grappling is a game of imposing will. How you gonna learn to be explosive with your movements? Generally, I know what your saying, match the sparring energy, but if you get a guy who wants to improve, and go at it...well don't be...well a pussy honestly, give it back. It's very different with a striking sport, but I see no other way in a grappling sport. Intensity is the first thing you learn in wrestling. How you gonna pull off a take down if it's always at half speed?

Such a wise perspective. I couldn't agree more, it's a matter of time and making those adjustments for technique to finally prevail.

Real good advice, thanks for the video.

A D3 wrestler is by no stretch of the imagination a "beginner," even if it is a different grappling sport. This should not surprise anyone.

@IniKepi

5 жыл бұрын

what are the diffrent lvls here? i think i heard brock lesnar was something like that. is that college lvl or what?

@rustbeltpress5964

5 жыл бұрын

Brock Lesnar was a Division 1 NCAA Champion which is even more high level than Division 2 or 3.

@IniKepi

5 жыл бұрын

@@rustbeltpress5964 oh thanks for the input didnt know this

@davideric8250

4 жыл бұрын

Yes D3 is still very good but many HS wrestlers dont have the best coaches

I love when anyone with a wrestling background comes to our school, always a welcome challenge and much to learn. It can be intimidating at first, can also be demoralizing if you have little experience as a BJJ rolling with a hardcore wrestler. But over time you will simply appreciate what they bring to the table. You never know what techniques you can learn from them to improve your own game. You will also be forced to improve your takedowns, takedown defense and sweeps. Oh yeah, you will also get physically stronger. Better than lifting weights.

I love this video. The evolution of mma. Always learning. Mindsets. Beautiful. This is why I always have a little of respect for each individual.

Chewjitsu Great video!!! I'm usually not a fan of MMA or BJJ guys because their ego's are way off the charts and my patience for that shit is minimal at best...and this is coming from a combat veteran. You would be someone I would love to learn from and more teachers should be like you. Great job!!!

Poor guy shouldn't have sent him location

The value of experience is exposure to variables.

Great video. I agree with you bro. It is very humbling when someone indirectly shines a light on a gap in your game. When I boxed my first pro fighter, Chris hit me 3 times to my 1 on him. Grappling has so many weapons, it takes a lifetime to perfect. Consider yourself blessed to have skilled practitioners to roll with.

Great advise and insightful. Well done!

I remember when a very large wrestler joined my gym many years ago, back in college. Was a very humbling experience. I was powerless.

This happened to me somewhat recently. I asked to roll with a guy I hadn't seen before. Whenever I roll with someone new I ask their name and background so I have an idea of what I'm getting into (plus it was no-gi so I didn't know what belt level he was). He says he's been training for 12-18 months (don't really remember) and did Judo for 7 years. My immediate thought was "I've got 3 solid years of training, we aren't wearing a gi so his Judo isn't all that useful. I'm going to crush this guy." Well at some point he gets a one-armed headlock as I'm passing to side control. Nobody ever finishes a headlock/guillotine from bottom side control on the wrong side, let alone with one arm, I'm safe, I'll just wait it out. Then, as my vision starts to close in I feel myself tap and take a minute to come back to reality. Now, I was aggressively dieting at the time to cut down a weight class and was getting lightheaded at times, so this may not have happened if I was fed and hydrated, but it was a humbling experience nonetheless and taught me not to underestimate my opponent. I later told the guy what happened, that I totally underestimated him and thanked him for checking my ego. Sometimes you go a little too long in this game without getting humbled and can start to feel a little too comfortable and good about your abilities.

You tell good Story. And you make perfect sense. Great commentary.

The life lesson that I gathered from this is to always remain humble and aware

Some people are just gifted. That's what makes a pro.

That’s how it is in Korea. I am a wrestler with a strong grappling base. I came and joined a MMA gym (Road FC Gym) in Korea. I started Jiujitsu and I was the new guy. The blue belts and purple belts and big stripe white belts thought they could submit me easy. When I was grinding into them they were wondering why was I so good at Grappling and I am a white belt? My coach told them “Oh yeah I forgot to tell you guys. He’s a wrestler.” Some guys avoid me in the gym, and only go roll with people with little to no experience. Some guys come to spar me twice a day. You’re right though. Once I started rolling and learning the tricks of Jiujitsu, my ground game shot up. My coach told me that my ground game is one of the best on our team (I swear I am not bragging. I think I still need a lot of work.) but if you have a wrestler in your gym. Please cross train! You can learn more if you open up! 🤙🏽🤙🏽🤙🏽

Excellent analysis as always. OSS !

Great advice, thank you for sharing!

I havent trained in a while but we had a guy come in and had been training in Sambo for about 6 years. Most of us didnt know that and were surprised he was wiping the floor with most of us, and he said he had no jj training. Once I learned that, it made sense. Grappling is grappling. Different emphasis but still the same.

Definitely seen this scenario from both sides. I've rolled with a few D1 NCAA wrestlers, those guys are animals. Thing is, if they never trained BJJ they dont know what can be done from your back. Wear them down work position end up with a submission

@sana-cm7oc

Жыл бұрын

Ezekiel against a wrestler. Most have never seen it.

Thank you for the video brother. Excellent breakdown. That is the only way to up your game. Theory and application are two different things. Practice practice practice. Being in an uncomfortable live situation is where truth is revealed. I guess what I'm trying to say is that experience cannot be read or assumed. Kind of like learning how to shift in theory and then getting behind the wheel.

awesome attitude, thanks Chewi!

A wrestler was the reason why I quit as a white belt. He tried to cement mixer me and he almost broke my neck. I’m not risking paralysis for jiujitsu

@nikolakpg

5 жыл бұрын

pick your rolls buddy

@robinhoodwasasocialist.1401

5 жыл бұрын

Or I could just spend my time doing something else. I don’t miss jiujitsu at all. In fact I have no idea why this video was in my recommendations 🤔

@firedrive45

5 жыл бұрын

@@robinhoodwasasocialist.1401 just tap, you control your own strain on your body

@robinhoodwasasocialist.1401

5 жыл бұрын

Firedrive think of it this way: my head was snapped down into a front headlock, with piss poor form the guy tries to roll my body over as fast as he can by twisting my neck only. The whole process took about a second and a half. When was I supposed to tap?

@hursimear3408

5 жыл бұрын

john doe sounds like a silly brute

Word up. I got wrecked by D3 wrestler myself, and I would love to say it was the age difference, but HELL NO, he was just good at what he did and it was better than what I was doing.

I've had similar experiences boxing, where you might have someone come in with no formal training and you go to spar with them and simply through sheer aggression their able to put you on your heels for a bit until you can figure them out. You're absolutely bang on with the sort of rhythm that you can get it with trained fighters. Where they can kinda see what you're doing and either make a move to counter that specific thing or accept that its going to happen and try and figure out what to do after it happens. When you have someone who has little to no idea what your trying to do they are often able to take gambles trained fighters wouldn't take.

GREAT observations! It’s about style, technique, power, stamina, speed, and so many other factors. I wrestled a year in college as a practice guy, and it was so interesting to watch his wrestler A and B would have tough matches, wrestler A could whip C soundly, but C would whip B soundly. It’s all matchups. And, in a dojo, if you have the same folks against whom to grapple and compete, you figure them out (or, you should). It’s the same ol’ same ol’. Awesome to have someone else, with skills, introduced into the crew to, as you note, shake things up.

At my gym we have wrestling classes every week and judo. It’s definitely good to get used to other styles.

Wrestlers are crazy athletes. The sport isn't better but on average a sport wrestler has a phenominal level of conditioning and explosiveness. In wrestling they just manhandle you where as BJJ the focus is more on position and flow. I found the easiest way to take a wrestler is to submit them while on your back cause after your down they don't know what to do. Go for triangles, armbars, omaplata, kamura, etc.

@Jordan-Ramses

5 жыл бұрын

When you're down they should punch you in the face. What were they trying to do? Pure wrestling is as silly in its own way as BJJ is. You should fight like Khabib with grappling and punching. You can just stay in the guard and punch and elbow them and its very difficult for them to submit you from there. You'd have to be totally ignorant of submission defense. Sakuraba did that to the Gracies even when BJJ was dominant.

@wildfire1012

5 жыл бұрын

I hate how right you are. Wrestlers are great at everything until the finish. We can grind and wrestling is a sport of domination and control so where pretty shitty at the finish in bjj.

@Jordan-Ramses

5 жыл бұрын

Wrestling is obviously a great base. But i think also a lot of its success is that it weeds out everybody who isn't stronger and faster. Nobody is a successful wrestler who isn't freakishly strong. (also they know how to cut weight and beat a steroid test)

@anaussie213

5 жыл бұрын

Dustin Chiang originally the pin signified the control needed to rip a (bronze armour wearing opponent’s) throat out with your teeth.. so yeah, wrestling does have a finish, it’s just too damn effect for training/competition.

@jlogan2228

5 жыл бұрын

You aren't lying about their conditioning any time I've ever rolled with a wrestler I'm like damn wtf are you made of tractor tire rubber

Nick! Glad to see you are doing so well! Stay sane and keep up the good work!!

@kennethlukens9054

5 жыл бұрын

120K subscribers... your KZread famous. This is so awesome. I'm literally gritty right now. Just sent this video to my brother.

@kennethlukens9054

5 жыл бұрын

*giddy*

Great analysis of the situation! Wrestlers always shock non wrestlers with their strength and pressure.