*Approximate Rental Pricing For Moving Equipment* Genie/Platform Lift - $20 a day Engine Hoist - $20 for 3 hrs or $35 a Day (leveler $10) or $179 at Harbor Freight Chain hoist/Block and Tackle - $30-$80 on craigslist Heavy Equipment Skates - $8 a day Dollie - $10 a day or $20-$80 to buy Johnson Bar $8 a day Forklift - $100 HR or $300-$500 a day Pallet Jack - $29 - 3 hrs $35 a Day

@Russ0107

3 жыл бұрын

This was really helpful Jonathan, thanks man.

Johnathan I know this video was produced a year ago but I needed to share. About 10 year ago my newly retired neighbor got a new metalworking lathe. In his eagerness to get unpacked and moved into position he tipped it over and sadly crushed and killed him. I was the first to arrive hearing his screaming wife. That terrible memory is one I wish I could forget. I repeat this story hoping that anyone trying to move heavy tools any heavy load take the proper precautions and get help!

@generalawareness101

2 жыл бұрын

How heavy was that lathe? I have a mini lathe I will need help with as I have aged I can't lift 150 pounds nor would I want to with my lower back. I don't know anyone, so I am looking at machinery to help. I have a Sony CRT Trinitron 32 inch, and if you know those you know how heavy they are. Six years ago I had trouble with it but using my legs I managed to move it just enough out of the way, but no way would I do that now. I just saw a video I can't unsee of some Russian older machinist do a stupid thing in the shop with a lathe (it was on and he was in his coat when he bent over it spinning). It was like something out of a cartoon only I am not laughing. The still pictures of the body parts thrown all over the shop, and the horror on his partner. I can only imagine how much PTSD he must still have.

@morticiaheisenberg9679

Жыл бұрын

RIP to both of these guys and I hope the ones who saw them find peace

@rosskstar

3 ай бұрын

@@generalawareness101 The can easily weigh 500lbs ~i just bought a shop lift etc like this guy showed to avoid similar disaster.

@generalawareness101

3 ай бұрын

@@rosskstar Yeah, an engine hoist for sure, at the minimum.

#1 - don’t be a hero... sage advise on this endeavor. Great ideas Jonathan.

You forgot the pizza and beer option aka the tool moving ambush.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

The real tip is always in the comments hahahaha

@aar3682

3 жыл бұрын

haha

Great presentation. Thank you for your time and effort to make this video and share it with us. Greetings from Croatia.

The machinery skates are well worth the money for anything heavy. I have seen a Johnson bar but have never used one or knew what it was called. A Burke bar comes in handy for moving equipment to its final position and can be used for ripping apart wood forms and such.

I’d never seen a Genie lift. That looks like a very handy way to lift machines. It’s one I’ll have to remember for possible future needs.

Thanks for doing this video. Very helpful!

Good stuff, thanks. Another option is air skids or some sort of air cushion. These things used compressed air and can lift and allow you to move very heavy machinery easily. Cheers, David

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

I've never used the air cushions. Sounds really cool

Thanks for the recommendations! 😃👍🏻👊🏻

I am taking delivery of my new combi machine in about 4 weeks so this has helped me loads 👍

Nice of you moving small tools. I worked in a machine shop, the owner loved to move Big tools and machines, we used solid steel bars to roll giant machines down the shop floor. Big fork trucks. Like bigger then a box truck size.

My father and I moved old school, multi-ton cast iron printing presses from time to time. Steel pipes under the machine to roll it across the floor worked well. A Steel Strong arm and 2x4 pieces to get them up on the pipes. We called those steel rollers tanks or trucks. The pipes are a cheap alternative.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah that's a great idea

@nwngunner

4 жыл бұрын

I moved a #13,000 pound lathe with a crowbar and a stack of 1 1/2 round bar. The hardest part was getting it onto the first bar. Once that was done we used the fork truck to push it onto the 2ed bar stock. Once the entire thing was on the bars it moved relatively well. Most big machines have pockets or a tounge casted into the bases so you can get bottle Jack's into the machine to get it in the air.

@Fleenoreric

4 жыл бұрын

I did that today with my 1000 lbs bandsaw, I moved it 20’ across the shop. It only took 10 minutes by myself. I got the idea from my father when he moved his Bridgeport mill 20 years ago.

Thanks! I'd never heard of those equipment skates. To get my SawStop contractor saw out of its carton, I attached a come-along to the floor joists in my basement, and tied ropes around the saw. The saw lifted out upside down, so I rolled it over in mid-air. Come-alongs are sometimes called hand winches, I think. They're handy for dislodging snagged trees, too.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Yikes! I'm sorry that happened. hopefully everyone and thing was ok

I built frames with foot casters for everyone of my big machines. Once moved into position just screw the foot down to level the machine. Costs a little bit but worth it.

Great video!👍🏻 So full of information, thank you so much!!!

Thanks, will watch this with interest. Like the safety emphasis at the beginning. Had to sigh when the 1st method using a hand truck is described as using a "dolly". Dolly refers to a low platform with 4 wheels, vs. a hand truck usually with 2 wheels and a vertical extension for leverage and support.

Nice job. Thanks for the tips.

Great information to know......thanks for sharing!!!

Thanks, Jonathon!! I just learnt two things within 2 minutes into your video: place something at the bottom of the dolly and lower the centre of gravity of any pedastal tools. And that's after the advice to wear some PPE. Steel cap boots, of course. Gloves? With metal, if it ain't hot or sharp, it could STILL damage flesh! Kudos to you!!

I should have seen this video a week ago when I had to manhandle my jointer off it's mobile stand to fix it. These methods would have saved bruised arms and a trip to the chiropractor and massage therapist. I'm now on the lookout for a cheap engine hoist!

Perfect video just what i was looking for

Helpful video! I’m going to be moving my shop soon.

Awesome, super helpful video!

thank you Katz . you hit on the one of the two things i hated doing ( not comfortable ) 250 ton press and moving big steel 12 - well up way up . we had machines lathes and mill and drill presses on the sub-tender that would hold a vw bug . moving big iron and i would get to swinging no way to stop it . lol i would not get in front of em at the time my 150 lb butt would not begin to stop that crap just wait it out . the press thats another long story

To add an 8th: Pallet jacks are great for moving everything around. They wheel easier than the shop crane, and if you put your machines on pallets (free) you can skip buying mobile bases. Better yet, buy a motorized one, they go stupid cheap at auctions (I've bought them for as low as $25 in working condition) and make moving things up to several tons super easy once you get it on them (which the shop crane is great for).

Just a heads up on the HF engine hoist, a 1Ton model is not the weight it lifts at the end extended. I'd go with the 2Ton. I also love my 500# scissor cart from HF,. Although i wish i got the 1 ton model. It also works as a simple cart or a mobile work surface. It is heavy but easily stores under a bench

Very helpful and great timing. I'll be moving my whole shop to Indiana in April. Thanks!

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Can't wait to see what you create bud! Tons of awesome content comes out of setting up shop.

@bentswoodworking

4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Katz-Moses oh I will have a ton for sure.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

@@bentswoodworking come out to my shop and let's make something!

@bentswoodworking

4 жыл бұрын

Jonathan Katz-Moses I would love too one of these days! Maybe we can discuss it at WBC

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

@@bentswoodworking sounds good. Im ready when you are

Great summary... good way to start out with the safety rules... yes all movements should be called out and acknowledged! We do it with heavy machinery... aircraft... no reason to skimp on a few words or half a second while moving 1800lbs worth of stuff. Force is mass times acceleration and on Earth that works out to a 10lb weight falling 6 feet hitting with about 64 ft lbs. If your literal foot is 12" by 6" (1/2 square foot) that's like 128lbs falling on your foot. YES, Steel-toed boots! Much appreciate the video. I didn't know these things could be so easily rented. Kind of a hassle to get them TO the shop and OUT of the shop back to the store... but cheap :) Thanks! Ehud Tucson AZ

Nice video. I. Never saw machine skates before. Harbor freight also sells a hydraulic lift cart with is good for putting some heavy stuff into a truck. For lighter stuff I have used plastic furniture sliders. We moved 5 sets of deck stairs across our sock in order to replace our dock boards using furniture sliders. Who would have thought???

Awesome tips

I always comment when I see a video that hits at all points. ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Nice video, man! The only heavy equipment I had in my Shop was the Radial Arm Saw. My workaround for getting it out of the Shop was watching the Guy move it with his 3 Sons when I sold it for $25...and man did they struggle! I never felt bad about it until writing this Comment...man I’m a jerk!

Good video... I would definitely not lift that jointer that way! You're putting massive pressure on the indeed and out feed tables which are precision parts and if they rack your machine is a big boat anchor. Some jointers (like your earlier 1900's big daddy) have a full cast iron body under the tables and those you can pict up from underneath

Thanks for sharing this. I'm buying a metal lathe and am stalling because of moving it. Just in time. Thanks.

@bobbg9041

4 жыл бұрын

Depends on how big the lath is but these tools might be way to small for what your doing. Rent a fork truck and pull the lath on a flat bed trailer lower then a truck bed to the ground. One to move a car would be better, but somthing you can put a bobcat on.

When I use a hoist or block and tackle, I prefer an A frame. Easy to build, and no need for a heavy beam.

Awesome video. I've moved lots of stuff over the years and I'm pretty good at it. Nevertheless I learned a few things. Thanks!

Excellent video with some great tips! Do you think the engine hoist would be suitable to lift a plywood box that is 7.55 ft long x 4.1 ft wide x 2.3 ft high and about 1,000 lbs? I’m hoping to stack one box on top of another that’s just 2.5 feet off the ground, and just don’t have access to a forklift/pallet stacker. Been trying to figure out a solution for this. Thanks!

The right tool for the job and I can't but we can move it.

That was a great video, very educational The only thing you did`nt say anything about was protecting the lifting straps from sharp corners like the underside of the table.

Nice video👍

Burke bar also helps a lot for getting the side up of a machine

is it difficult to push the manual pallet stackers around with a heavy 1000-1500lb if weight?

Well done video. 1) You can't cheat physics 2) Work smarter, not harder.

Stairs. Many of us have basement shops and some help there would be greatly appreciated! I'm trying to figure out how to get my 400lb sawstop into my basement. Having never used an appliance dolly, I am a bit anxious about it.

outstanding video, very useful. I am trying to move around an old Bridgewood planer I bought. Initially it was moved with the tractor pallet forks and lift straps, but that was just to get it into the shop. It weighs about 550 pounds, way too heavy to bull around, and heavy enough to easily damage itself, and so step one I had to refabricate the stand with heavier steel. The original stand did not survive the move. But now it has to be lifted up off its side, and the tractor and lift straps are all off kilter. It dangles at these odd angles and cannot be set down level so it will stand evenly. I have an engine lift, but it is in another part of the state. So you gave me a lot of good ideas to try before buying another engine lift. Thank you

@TrevorDennis100

Жыл бұрын

I have a thicknesser/planer on its way. Mine only weighs 400lbs, but that is still heavy enough to need thinking about. I have a plan and some friends to help me, but it's nice to have the engine hoist rental as a fall back.

@pamtnman1515

Жыл бұрын

@@TrevorDennis100 pallet cart

How would you reckon to move a 9 ft long 5 ft wide 6 ft high stainless steel water tank (a little more than 600 pounds)from 32 ft truck/lorry?

Very good job in all demonstrations at the minute 6:30, I would lay down that machine in two pieces of 1x3x the length of the machine. This way it will be easier to insert the Johnson bar.

I'm still trying to remember how I got my DJ20 into the back of my Subaru Outback after I bought it as an 'end of show' special.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Sometimes you just get it done and you're still impressed when it is over.

I have a 400 pound seal rig I need to get lifted into the bed of my truck. Will the engine lift be enough for something like that?

Here what I would use to lift heavy loads. If you have available, two scaffolding. They are 6 feet tall and can hold up to 900 lbs. Set up both one on the top of the other, don't place the bed. Get a 4x4 and put across the smaller side. Get a winch and hang it on the 4x4, lift your load to desired height, place the bed under and low it down.

Fantastic and clear video. Thanks. Im about to order a CNC router (6090 or 1212) weighs approx 900lb or less as I can get rid of the crate. i would need to get it off the truck, then go some way into my workshop. whats the better option for me?

@pamtnman1515

3 жыл бұрын

rent a skid steer

Thanks Jon. All very good, but you are assuming paved, level in to the shop. How about when you can't get a truck into your shop, and the nearest driveway has an upslope to where you would unload? Or when you need to move the machine up a grass and dirt slope to get to the shop door? I've had both these problems.

Do a demo of the roller skate pivots.

I want to remove a small jointer sitting in a canned ham camper! My son was so strong! He put it in there in that small hallway. Now he is at rest and I am in limbo. I also have a nice table saw in our shop. We used a car lift with plywood, slid it out of the van, lowered the lift, and rolled it into place when we bought it. It sits on a metal frame with wheels. I have a large compressor, a large old metal brake, drill press, anvil on stand.. Now that I am alone people say I need to sell all the stuff. I can’t move the stuff! So I am using the work tables to sew quilts in a woodworking/ auto body shop where we used to make wooden frames and custom kitchens. And we restored a few cars. I have a nice dolly. And some skates for cars. I even have an engine hoist. A lot of machines are on wheels. I just love the shop , all the machines and tools and cabinets and shelves full of tools and stuff. Thanks for the video.

I can't find a good video on getting a heavy tool box up 6 steep steps , thanks!

Do you have any reccomendations on moving a bandsaw via vehicle? Are they safe to lay down? I've got a good sized suv but no truck, any reccomendations?

@pamtnman1515

3 жыл бұрын

Lyn, I would suggest an open trailer. Either rent or buy. One you can easily access over the sides, and slide things in and out.

All very good methods for moving large or heavy item. How would you suggest moving large or heavy items up or down stairs??

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

If it's more than 3 stairs hire movers hahaha. That sounds terrifying and dangerous.

A motorcycle lift works great, about $100 at Harbor Freight

I'm building a workshop in the back yard. Its floor level will be about 27 in. above grade. So I'm looking for a way to move my 600 lb. table saw from the garage, around the house to the back yard, and lift it to go in through the door of the workshop.....go!

Is there a engine hoist that can go around larger objects?

I have a Rubbermaid 100 gallon tub filled with dirt. It weighs several hundred pounds but is sitting on pea gravel awaiting relocation to another part of the pea gravel filled yard. Short of renting a bobcat (which won't fit though my gate), any suggestions on how to move it?

I have to get a 700lb Pistorius saw that I have to get through a typical home doorway and across a lawn and then through another doorway…. What equipment is best?

You give some good advice on moving shop equipment. I offer these comments based on my years of rigging all sorts of loads. . NEVER GET UNDER AN ELEVATED PIECE OF EQUIPMENT OR ANY LOAD. And be mindful you don't let your fingers or toes get under the load as you're moving it or when setting it down. Ask anyone with 9 fingers or toes why you shouldn't do this. . It's best to keep the load as low as possible when moving from one location to another. More or less drifting it across the floor just high enough so it's not contacting the floor. That way it can't fall very far, only an inch or two. . If you're going to use a chain hoist, you need to make sure what you are hanging the chain fall from can handle the load. The load INCLUDES the weight of the chain hoist and any rigging like straps or chains. I doubt most common garage ceiling joists are up to the task of lifting a 600# table saw plus the weight of the rigging. But whatever you are using for rigging gear, it all has to be sized to carry the load. And if you don't know what something weighs you have shouldn't be picking it up until you do. . If you are moving things within your shop work like an Egyptian. They didn't have chain falls, engine hoists, or Genies or other hoisting equipment, so they rarely picked things up. They elevated them onto rollers so they could move them. You can do the same with some lengths of 3/4 Sch. 40 pipe. With 3 or 4 pipe rollers you can easily move things with just a couple fingers. It can't fall because it's already on the ground.

What type of mobile base do you have on your jointer?

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

shop fox

As a retired Boilermaker I would never use caribeeners ...always shakelsand always use softeners on sharp corners like old cut up hold down straps.

hmm.. How would you get a double stacked pizza oven out? Each weigh about 1,500 lbs. But need to get that middle point where it is stacked. Once its up I can place a block of wood. But trying to figure out how to create that initial space...thanks for the video

@pamtnman1515

3 жыл бұрын

skid steer

can you show me how to move 800 lb Bridgeport base down a set of 5 steps to my shop?

I had been told to not lift a jointer by the wings. .

From unfortunate personal experience, i would add "keep your eye on the machine at all times"

@bobbg9041

4 жыл бұрын

Just put your EYE phone on it.

Johns rules of moving can also be applied to dating.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@incognitotorpedo42

4 жыл бұрын

I'm imagining how I would use an engine hoist...

Idk Jimmy Kimmel moved machines on his spare time... Seriously good helpful video

SNATCH BLOCK! haha

Great vid. Thanks! Are you sure you're not Jimmy Kimmel?

Any one have a way of getting tools upstairs? I am moving to a attic workshop. Two flights of stairs. Help.

Is there any lifting device to overcome steps into/out of the workshop? I've got a Grizzly helical head planer I need to move out of the shop that weighs approx 800 pounds and other than taking the thing completely apart I'm at a loss for ideas. It was moved into the shop with the help of 4 people but I don't want to relive that recipe for disaster (two of the helpers came close to losing fingers and toes. Thanks!

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

How many steps?

@robertwelch5584

4 жыл бұрын

@@katzmosestools Two steps to level floor

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

@@robertwelch5584 engine hoist on the lower level

@MWMitman

4 жыл бұрын

I've got a small step up into my shop, only 3" but enough to still be a headache. I built a ramp, then bolted a harbor freight winch to the floor on the far wall from the doorway. Get the machine in the doorway, on wheels (pallet jack is my preference), push a button, and it goes right in. I expect you could do the same, just need a little bit larger ramp - it'd be steeper, but the planer isnt *too* tall and top heavy.

@robertwelch5584

4 жыл бұрын

@@MWMitman Thanks for the reply and you are right, that would have worked for getting the planer into the shop (gee, wish I'd thought of that earlier). My current problem is getting it back out of the shop (moving to new location) so I think my only practical solution is to build an A-Frame that stradles the steps with a block and tackle arrangement that moves. An engine hoist as suggested by Jonathan will not work because the leading wheels are always under the load. I could try to slide the planer/engine hoist down the steps but don't want to end up on America's Funniest Videos skiing down steps with an 800 pound planer and then through a block wall as it finally slows down. After all, what's the worst that could happen right?

Neither of these items can be rented where i live. I live close to a fairly big city... :(

If it was me I would have run your straps around the bottom of your jet jointer. I once moved a combo jointer/planer using the tables and it took me a day to realign the tables and make everything coplaner. Just a comment.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

That sounds incredibly dangerous to me. It would be so top heavy

Steel toed gloves. Check.

Lots of good information. One caution if you are moving your band saw is to not put the straps under the table. The trunnions are not strong enough to bear the weight of the rest of the saw and they are prone to cracking or breaking. You could lose the whole load very easily and damage the table which would be costly to replace.

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

Great advice

@stevegronsky8904

4 жыл бұрын

My 17" Grizzly band saw has a "hoisting hook" installed on the top of the machine. Gets a bit testy coming IN a standard height garage door, but going slow it works. And, of course, 2 or more people!!!!!!

Drill press, tilt it over and take the head off on a woodworking or light duty drill press they are not very heavy even a 16" version.

I worked in a machine shop 7 years I always wore tennis shoes. Or boots without steel toes. I handled bundles of bars 20' long 1" to 6" 30 to 100 a bundle If I droped one of them bundles on my foot with steel toed boots on id loose my toes either way. A steel toe boot won't protect your toes but the bundle could come back over your foots instep then you'll never walk agine on that foot. My biggest fear was dropping a 2 lb part on my foot. You learn to move your feet out of the way really dam fast becuse it hurts. You'll only do it once. Yes I got bitched at for not having the correct footwear but I didnt make enough money to support my family and buy 100 plus dollar shoes when my pay check then was 150 for 40 hours work. I got paid chiken shit. I've moved plenty of machinery without steel toe boots. The shop owners middle name was move it.

Sliding heavy machine on concrete: I've heard sand on the floor make it easier?

You'd be surprised what you can move with a lever dolly and pieces of pvc pipe.

Thanks now I know how to move my brother’s girlfriend

@katzmosestools

4 жыл бұрын

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@bobbg9041

4 жыл бұрын

Eat some chilly and fart, she will be moving on her own.

I'm halfway through the video and just realizing this is not Jimmy Kimmel lol

When you mentioned the block and tackle, I was thinking of this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/f2arlbCTqrPdf7A.html

I can be your hero baby.

I thought you’re not supposed to wear steel toes when lifting extremely heavy objects because if the object falls on your foot it could press the steel toe into your toes and cut them clean off

@defenestrated23

3 жыл бұрын

that's a myth, lol mythbusters busted that in season 3

Dude not trying to hate on your show but if you’re going to show someone how to use machine dollies then first you need to learn the right way. You need to put plywood on top of the dollie and then sit the machine down onto them. If you tell people to sit the machine onto the dollies they will just be waiting for that machine to slide off and hurt them most likely.

Are you kidding? You need a video on how to move a drill press? I'm trying to move a 22,000 pound mill in the next few hours, or lose it and this is the best you tube has for moving heavy stuff. The stuff I am gonna try moving it with weigh more than your tools and equipment and I used wheel barrows.