Seller & bellott makes match grade brass cased 7.62x54R. Steel cased rimmed cartridges are always going to do worse than brass because they headspace on the rim.

9-Hole Reviews did a video on how bad the accuracy and consistency PSL suffers from. Barrel is too long and bad harmonics. It works as a slow shooting weapon. The minute it heats up it throws rounds everywhere

@christiangreaves3911

10 ай бұрын

I watched that video and found it interesting. How ever I’ve watched people firing these for an hour even rapid firing pull off tight grouping even after the barrel was hot. Obviously it’s not designed to be a 800 yard sniper riffle but it’s record in combat and things I’ve personally witnessed have proven to me that it’s a very affective battle riffle.

@realtalk6195

8 ай бұрын

@@christiangreaves3911 Record in combat? How many forces used the PSL and actually preferred it? Mind you, the PSL isn't the SVD.

@unreal_nebula7302

5 ай бұрын

@@realtalk6195the Romanian military used the rifle and loved it

@Jrh-rp7np

18 күн бұрын

Yeah old Robski at Ak operators union was extremely accurate with his so who knows.. maybe they just got a lemon

A good looking rifle doesn't necessarily mean an accurate rifle. I have seen tests on this cartridge that grouped in a dime, others weren't as good. 9 Hole Reviews shot a Mosin Nagant to 500 yards with the 7.62x54 and did quite well. A very good rifle built in the 1930's. Another video from Shoot Show was hitting target at 1100 yards (1 km ). So don't be the least bit disappointed with your shooting WTW, we know your abilities. Great looking rifle, and another great video. Stay safe and happy shooting.

Silver tip is mild steel core light ball ammo 148 grain bullet. The PSL is designed for 148 grain ammo. The 208 grain is too heavy a bullet and is hard on the action. S&B, and PPU may have a match style loading.

@0115Heather

Жыл бұрын

My personal rifle seems to like light ball ammo from the 1960’s and 1970’s. I had a can from the 90’s a few years ago and I ended up getting about the same results we saw here today. The older ammo ran better and held tighter groups. That’s my personal experience with my rifle. I am by no means an expert.

@0115Heather

Жыл бұрын

Maybe, if we all get together and ask rudely enough, we can talk Brandon the AK Guy into making a heavy barrel version of the PSL?

It was never meant to be a precision rifle. It may look similar to a druginov sniper rifle but the psl was meant to fling 7.62x54r in a general area to keep heads down. It’s more of a designated marksman rifle than anything

If you reload, the Cutting Edge .311 cal 130 gr ESP Raptor is as good as it gets. It even outshoots my best smk loads and to top it off, it's on game performance can't be beat. I have shot 100 yard groups with my mosin sporter with all the holes touching. RL17 powder is what I use. If it won't shoot those well, it won't shoot anything. Same goes for my buddy's budget mil spec AR. Most everything it shoots is about 2 moa except for the Raptors which will literally stack all day through one big hole.

It just looks like the PSL looks like a Dragunov sniper rifle. In fact, this is the base of the RPK machine gun. Don't be discouraged if you can't accurately shoot this.

Love me a gun with furniture. This reminds me the old James Bond movies. Definitely a sweet rig!

Fully semi automatic!

@WHOTEEWHO

Жыл бұрын

😝😝😝

@lucian-catalinstupariu5918

Жыл бұрын

@@WHOTEEWHO you have to check the barrel, because it's old and the rifling are definitely quite blunted... And the hottest it gets, the more bullets fly... The PSL it's pretty accurate though for a semi-automatic old rifle. Just you have to check it.

That was exactly the kind of accuracy I expected from that rifle.. My buddy has a bolt action rifle that will consistently do under an inch with that particular cartridge... Thanks for a good video WTW..

I sure thought with a scope it would tighten up the groups. A different ammunition hopefully will help. Thanks for sharing the video.

You should check all the screws on that scope mount to make sure they are tight. That silver tip looked like it could be good.

@clintonlayne9253

Жыл бұрын

Only thing about Silver tipped is that it's corrosive must clean right away. I take a bottle of Windex with ammonia added and spray down the action and barrel before getting home then it's Hot soapy water . scrub like heck . I use a hair dryer to help the drying process. Then apply a light oil.

@jameshoggard7471

Жыл бұрын

@@clintonlayne9253 just like cleaning a muzzleloader

Those silver tips will easily go through most steel. I was shooting some steel targets with my 30-06 and it wouldn’t go through but those silver tips made it look like I used a drill and made the holes

The PSL is not a modern rifle. It is a DMR. I seem to group a bit better with brass and hand loads, but it isn’t a sub MOA with those. I picked mine up to see what our guys were up against in Asia Minor and maybe in the sand box area. It’s a fun shooter.

They're all left and right- makes me think something with the scope or mount might be wigglin.

AK operator's Union got sub MOA with this gun, but I believe he had to change to an adjustable gas piston to allow him to shoot heavier grain boolits without risk damaging his rear trunion, I believe he was using Sellier and Bellot 174 grain HPBT ammo. Plus as others mentioned before you need to let the barrel cooldown longer between shots due to the stringing effect. So the gun seems to be capable with the right ammo and a little modifications.

Awesome as always...

Need something that that one likes you'll find the correct load with patients.

Great looking rifle! It will get the job done!

Sellier & Bellot makes some match ammo, but we don't have any at the shop right now

Silver tip is probably ap ammo. Make sure you clean and oil the heck out of that thing so it don’t rust! Most silver tip IS CORROSIVE!! You may have an issue with the scope or the mount.

@isaachany2461

Жыл бұрын

Silver tip is usually light ball, like 147gr. Not AP, usually that's black tip.

@michaelzona9880

Жыл бұрын

PSL54 C I just checked out the available ammo on Gunbroker . All available came in 440 round sealed spam cans. All mentioned steel core or mild steel core. SO NO GOOD FOR SHOOTING STEEL TARGETS!! The ammo was from Russia or Poland. Some mentioned CORROSIVE BERDAN PRIMED STEEL CASES. The other offerings lacked details. So much for reloading. If I want to scrub guns from top to bottom I will go back to black power .

@0115Heather

Жыл бұрын

@@isaachany2461 As I said before, I’m no expert. Just giving my personal experience. I know silver tip is steel core (I assume that steel core is meant to be some level of armor defeating bullet) I have shot 1/2” mild steel at 100yds with them and it zips right through. Probably not going to do much damage to hardened steel, but again I’m no expert. I do love the look and feel of my PSL (poor man’s dragunov) and it’s a hell of a good conversation starter when folks see it at the range. Everyone says “oh man you have a sniper rifle!” But I always make sure to tell them it’s certainly not sniper grade. It’s meant to be a DMR.

I like your funny Druganov, magic man

Still a shooter an awesome addition to the collection wtw! Keep going brohams! Thinkin bout startin up my own shooting vids. Just dont know how far i wanna go w it. Probably just do it for fun though

Minute of man accuracy.

Amazingly fine rifle,,,.. Have several

The optic is not mounted on the barrel. That’s kinda what you get when you mount it on sheet metal. Heat will throw it off.

I owned my PSL since 2019 and it barely held 8 inch groups at a 100 yards. I just thought that’s how it would be. Recently I came to the realization to tighten the optic fasting nut one “click” tighter, even though I perceived no play before. I almost had to tap the optic onto the rail with a rubber mallet. Now along with my hand loads my PSL does 1.3 inch groups. It’s like I have a new rifle.

Wolf also used to have a match load known as an LVE load named for where it was made, but I think it's not available in the US anymore.

Nice looking rifle!!

I have a Russian 8X lighted range finding reticle mounted on mine. Using the Wolf 148gr FMJ, I get 1moa. However, the long thin barrel heats up fast. Shooting groups, keep time between shots at least 1 min apart. The silver tip is AP. It is also corrosive primed. My rifle shoots 3 MOA with Silver Tips. If you handload, pull the 154gr soft points out of the Wolf 7.62X39. You will be amazed at performance on game and accuracy. No one makes the 154gr SP in the 7.62 X 54.

Love that stock

When your iron sight groups are better than your scoped groups, you have scope problems - period. What kind? That's where some detective work is required. Make sure the tube isn't slipping inside the rings. If not certain, I'd dismount the scope from the rings and add a slight dusting of rosin to the rings. Of course, this after double checking all screws first. Second, I'd suspect that the scope and mount assembly haven't "settled in". Whenever you have frame/side mounted rings, regardless of how "tight" things are, that particular mounting location requires a "settling in" period of time. The Dragunov (whoever made it) was designed for long range precision. You, therefore, have some work to do, because the rifle is capable at its core.

Cool stuff! 😀

That thing just looks cool

There is some match 7.62x54R out there, but I haven’t seen any in a while.

Wow did not expect that at all wow.

Silver tip are usually light armor piercing, similar to green tip 556 they have a mild steel core penetrator. Your scope should also have a built in range finder, just look up russian scope range finder

Hey buddy do not get disappointed with your PSL Accuracy issue. you will probably need to add at least a one-inch extinction but pad to get the buttstock correct for length of your arms. Also make a higher cheek rest to be steadier and in same exact position every time you fire. So important to be aligned exactly the same for each round with the factory optics. My cheek well is probably 1.5 inches higher to get my face very steady into buttstock. You can make something up that attaches in a improvised manner without taking away from the original rifle. Something that can be taken off and on very easy. I had the same luck as you and after making the improvements my rifle has so much more accuracy its incredible. Please don't give up, once you dial it in you should be impressed. Also, hand loads will make a huge difference. Signed PSL Lover

Good first shots.👍🙏😎

It like all rifles it’s ammo in this beast.

I have an original Remington Mosin-Nagant from 1919. It was my grandfather's.

Ive had a psl for close to 20 years now. Tried lots of different ammo. Short of acquiring the now unobtainable 7N1, i have found the 182gr M30 from Yugoslavia to be the most accurate load in it. 182 is somewhat heavy for it but its not full heavy load. M30 ammo is still available at sgammo and its non-magnetic.

@VIKINGX-rc9tg

Жыл бұрын

dont be telling people about muh ammo spot!!!!!!!! lol

Some PSL shoot good some don't. They all string shots when they get hot. Best bet would be to install a kns piston and adjust it to eject 5' away then run heavy bullets. If you want a cheaper way, you can drill, tap and use set screws to adjust gas (look up MACs suppressed PSL video)

I saw that Dunham's had 150 grain 7.62×54. remember years ago someone made a modern bolt action.

Ammo is corrosive, probably best clean to clean it. Really enjoy videos.

I found the best rounds were Remington corelock. They are insanely expensive compared to the spam cans I bought years ago so i only save them for our 4 legged horned friends

Someone may have already said this or you may know it, but that curved part of the reticle that goes up to 10 is actually a range finder.bit was designed to use the height of an average man, when lined up in the scope with the top of a man's head, those lines give a good estimate of how far out the target is

Thanks for this very informative video WTW . Honestly about what I expected. !! Maybe you just shoot better with that gun with iron sights ??

Adam, look at some videos by Vintage Rifle Shooters Club and AK Operators Union. Rob has many videos on that rifle with tips on ammo and how to get the best out of it. He’s a good source for anything AK.

Hey I bet this is about to be a real fun video

@WHOTEEWHO

Жыл бұрын

I bet!

I wish I had picked one of these up in the 80’s when they were cheap

@WHOTEEWHO

Жыл бұрын

Me too

I like using PPU 150 grain softpoints , also 150 grn Silverbear and MFS ammo are exellent too

Ive heard that the barrels dont have the tightest rifling grip to give the rounds a good spin

silver tips are usually great ammo - in My Old Tokarev SVT I get around 1.25" groups. Check your scope if everything is thight.

PPU 174gr match or if you can find it 182gr silver over yellow tip. Hint the gas system will beat it's self to death with any ammo over 150gr ( i broke mine with just 150rnds of 203gr softpoint ).

If you can find it PPU and Winchester both make good 7.62x54r ammo. Plus they come in reloadable cases if that's your thing

My 91/30 actually groups better if I fix the bayonet for some strange reason and it brings the impact closer to point of aim @ 100

@bsmith8943

Жыл бұрын

It's the harmonics. My m44 is the same.

@toddk1377

Жыл бұрын

The 91/30 is zeroed with the bayonet on. Rezero the rifle without the bayonet. If it's off by elevation, sometimes the front sight post is either too tall or too short. I scoped mine with a bad ace optic mount and put a Boyds stock on it and bent bolt. It's very accurate with 200 grain ammo and Winchester white box, also with yugo surplus. All the light loads like Tula, Barnaul, ect in that 148 weight range, it's barely a 3 moa rifle.

You would probably get better groups by not having your left hand holding the barrel down. Try keeping your left hand under the butt of the stock to control elevation and let the barrel recoil naturally.

Hey WTW, I looked on Lucky Gunner and they have some Sellier and Bellot HPBT Sierra Match King in this caliber and its in stock! $40!! Not too shabby I think!

Another fun video.

@WHOTEEWHO

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Ron

Good stuff, try a Kobra red dot on one of your AKs. Three different reticles for the price of one. It is fun. I keep one on my KR103. 😄

Have you tried handloading for that caliber (7.62x54R)? That would give a decent opportunity to shrink those groups down.

Adam it's will turn around. Silver tipped is CZECH 149/148 FMJ for shorter barreled rifles yellow tipped is the heavy stuff for long barrels . Try some S&B 200 grain SP .

I have a buddy with a PSL and he says the Norma 7.62x54R are prob the best that are made in the chambering. But still not great. Maybe 2-3” group. In the end these rifles are made to hit man size targets not, precision rifles.

Have you ever done a video where you have shot every gun you have ? Dementia ranch did that once

@WHOTEEWHO

Жыл бұрын

No. Don't want that on the internet. Gubment is watching

@stevekelley2341

Жыл бұрын

@@WHOTEEWHO i understand

Hmm could be the rifling is cut for lighter weight 170 to 180 gr. May not have the fast twist for the heavier 200 gr loads. Just a thought.

15 years ago I picked up a near mint Finnish M-28 for $60 that I never could get to shoot, even with Winchester ammo. At least I made a nice profit on it.

@IdaholifeV

Жыл бұрын

Your M28 wasn't designed for modern mosin ammo. It used a pre D marked barrel and fired a .308 projectile, where the D marked Finns used a .310-311 projectile. You would have had to hand load for it to make it worth shooting

@876mpr

Жыл бұрын

@@IdaholifeV Yeah, that’s why I was using the Winchester. It was advertised as a .310” bullet. Windage was ok, but it shot about a foot high at 50 or 100 yards. I was hand loading at the time I sold it. I just didn’t like it that much.

Interesting Video I have 2 Mosin Nagant rifles so I reload for them One has a .312 bore and the other a .310 bore , reloading might produce better groups I found the Sierra 180 gr SPT or Hornady 174 gr FMJ both produce far better groups than any of the surplus ammo If your rifle has a .310 bore and you want to shoot groundhogs The Hornady 110 gr .308 VMax works well for me at moderate velocity But a 180 to 200 gr cast bullet at about 1600 to 1800 FPS is a cheap way to get good groups

Golden Bear makes a 170 plus grain load. Sierra bolt tail hollow points

That silvertip looks exactly like the Czech military 147 gr light ball made by S&B is good ammo but if you want that pig to shoot you have to experiment, also finding the Romanian mo that was designated for those rifles

I gotta find me a scope mount like that for my SKS I can't find one that I like that lets me keep the iron sights. So I have to wait for military type stuff to pop up used

The silver tip is older Winchester hunting bullet, have same exact ones in 270, read the head stamp itl tell you what u want to know

In the woods where most shots are around 50 it do alright but I've never seen any s mi automatic rifles that just blew me away with the groups compared to a bolt action rifle

Looks like you shot better with the iron sights!

You need that Rifle in .308 or .300 Win Mag. Try to find a Military surplus Tin of 440 rounds.

The brown case is a brown bear 174 grain fmj

Look up AK Operators Union, 47-74 video on the PSL54. As I recall he has a 14/15 year old shooting M.O.A. But the PSL does not like heating up as you shoot fast.

👍👍

I wish I enjoyed the PSL, I really do. The PSLs I've dealt with just never worked well for me. Now to swap calibers up my Zastava M77 is a beamer. I want to get Zastavas version if a PSL

the head stamps on the ammo will identify it. I would bet the fmj is 147 grain, and the silver tip is 182 grain steel core.

The shot pattern suggests the scope might be walking horizontally. Can you shim the mount around the scope body or mount a known good scope to test again?

❤ Спасибо за работу👏👍👌.

Another great rifle to fool with! I don't think it will ever be a MOA rifle. Zombies look out though!

Took forever to tweak out my long barrel Mosin. But is very accurate. Scope maybe no good. Stick to iron to start.

Clean that rifle Possibly corrosive ammo Not sure why it's not grouping well Windy day??? That should be a decent DMR, odd. Great video all the same Brother

It shoots about like the mossberg patriot I had.

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you should try to find some S&B brass 7.62x54r ammo

Not sure how you always shoot so well. Every time I try for precision my heartbeat in my rest cheek moves the crosshairs way too much. How do you eliminate that?

These are not supposed to be Olympic target match rifles, they are designed to suppress the enemy beyond the standard range of an ak, but by default in order to pass through trials they must be able to hit a soldier sized target at these distances, its not a moa rifle, it is a mom rifle, which means minute of man lol. It's a force multiplier not a sniper rifle, I can be used as one but it's not what it is designed for. I put a rear sight rail on the rear sight base and threw a cheap red dot on mine, I use it more like a battle rifle where I shoot 50-300 yards of the shoulder and leave the long range one and done shooting to my mosin with a 7 power scoutscope

I had those for my mosin

You have no idea how bad I want one!

Remember two things. 1) this is not a sniper rifle (and for some reason is better at longer ranges 🤷‍♂️ idk why) 2) almost all surplus ammo is Soviet machinegun ammo. It is not designed for our American standards of accuracy

I have seen a match load you may want to try PPU makes it.

Hi, I suggest to try S&B 180gr FMJ - worked for me

I wonder how wolf military classic would do, those were the rounds that got my 91/30 to kick a fireball out the muzzle lol

Try it without the lead sled or whatever you are using, use bags instead. Just a thought brother👍. Should see better results as long as you do your job. At least that’s been my results, of course everything is different though.

One of the coolest looking bingbangs.

Are there any good commercial defense loads in this caliber or do we need to hand load for this? Can you get good accuracy with 123-125 grain bullets?

I had the same rifle at one time with the same results. I expected it to do so much better for what it's supposed to be. I just got rid of it.