$600 Walmart Tires vs $1600 Racing Tires

Автокөліктер мен көлік құралдары

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We're testing out a set of $1600 Yokohama vs $600 Zestinos tires to see if more expensive = more better grip.
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  • @RayTheomo
    @RayTheomo Жыл бұрын

    That cornering test while james did the ad is one of the most creative ad reads ive ever seen on KZread.

  • @WhiteG60

    @WhiteG60

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree. Was extremely well done.

  • @pauloalexandre8164

    @pauloalexandre8164

    Жыл бұрын

    I usually skip them, but this one I actually watched it all 😂

  • @JigbertJimsinJG

    @JigbertJimsinJG

    Жыл бұрын

    @@pauloalexandre8164 same here.

  • @ericpan601

    @ericpan601

    Жыл бұрын

    Donut ads are the best on KZread

  • @D-Rockk

    @D-Rockk

    Жыл бұрын

    They lined up the angle pretty damn good too!

  • @slumbynature4557
    @slumbynature4557 Жыл бұрын

    Pretty funny that Hi Car is the one that gets all the expensive stuff but has to be repaired the most.

  • @tatezaxbys5094

    @tatezaxbys5094

    Жыл бұрын

    Mo expensive doesn’t always mean mo betta

  • @renz1013

    @renz1013

    Жыл бұрын

    Hi Maintenance

  • @willfoster7187

    @willfoster7187

    Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like my Forester XT bahahahha. 😂😂

  • @stubbingtonmarigold3032

    @stubbingtonmarigold3032

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s the reality when you dump money into an old car...

  • @razacha426

    @razacha426

    Жыл бұрын

    It’ was the same with the z too 😂

  • @sevenout7119
    @sevenout7119 Жыл бұрын

    Throughout all the driving videos Nolan is a really good driver for not being a pro. He consistently turns the fastest times other than the pro driver and he usually isn’t too far off. Props to you Nolan.

  • @JoshuaGreyJensen

    @JoshuaGreyJensen

    Жыл бұрын

    And consistent

  • @shakeelali20
    @shakeelali20 Жыл бұрын

    Jeremiah speaking in metric for the tire tread experiment really got my engine going! So refreshing to see the donut crew trying to entertain AND educate us all!

  • @Max1130
    @Max1130 Жыл бұрын

    I kinda miss Nolan and James sitting down at the end of the episode and doing a breakdown on what they'd rather buy otherwise this season is Hi-Low is great.

  • @BrianGriffinQuahog

    @BrianGriffinQuahog

    Жыл бұрын

    Came to the comments literally to post this.

  • @tbm275

    @tbm275

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean all things considered the off brand tires did ok, if you had a budget and you needed some basic tires to practice with on some HPDE days those would be fine. And then when you get comfortable then you start spending the big bucks on the good stuff

  • @ThatstaticEKHatch

    @ThatstaticEKHatch

    Жыл бұрын

    Agreed😊

  • @peterjohnson9438

    @peterjohnson9438

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@tbm275 yeah - unless you're a multimillionaire and you're working on a project car in between parties, escorts and avoiding paparazzi, there's no point in overspending before you know WHY you're spending. Especially true for the parts that are more on the racing end of the spectrum - stuff like big turbos, aggressive clutches, no-foot-effort big brake kits, chassis stiffening, extreme weight reduction super stiff suspension and no-ground-clearance aero *will* make the car faster on the track, but it'll be absolutely horrible to drive on the street, if it's even close to street legal by the time you're done. A $600 tire set is more than most people would want to spend on tires, anyway, and even low-end tire sets are fine while they're fresh. Project cars are near-infinite money pits anyway for us mortals, so only go ham when you really know you NEED the extra bit of performance or features you'd get by spending more than four times the price of the cheapest viable option. Yes, in the end you'll pay for some parts twice. This is how we learn.

  • @p24p14

    @p24p14

    Жыл бұрын

    I think donut is starting to be very "corporate-y"

  • @ON-EightySix
    @ON-EightySix Жыл бұрын

    Still very impressed with Nolans driving ability's dudes a sleeper...

  • @werewolfman186

    @werewolfman186

    Жыл бұрын

    Facts

  • @dabington

    @dabington

    Жыл бұрын

    He's the only one who's been tracking beyond a video

  • @vilshe7449

    @vilshe7449

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Patrick.Howie. 🤡

  • @zhila5958

    @zhila5958

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Patrick.Howie. the average salary of a clown per year is 50,000$. and you do it for free?

  • @yvnginfinity

    @yvnginfinity

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Patrick.Howie. I bet most of them are better than you considering this is their job

  • @JamieTenikoff
    @JamieTenikoff Жыл бұрын

    Dude... The cinematography throughout these episodes - this one in particular - has been absolutely incredible. The sunset shots, the drone transitions and overheads, and of course the most creative sponsor segment of all time. Love it.

  • @xodiaq

    @xodiaq

    Жыл бұрын

    Donut is kind of getting that vibe that the old Top Gear had

  • @CullenCraft

    @CullenCraft

    Жыл бұрын

    I realized a month or so that Donut has become Mythbusters for cars and I'm here for it

  • @redmond420

    @redmond420

    Жыл бұрын

    I like 🐢

  • @bretgardner3647

    @bretgardner3647

    Жыл бұрын

    was about to say the same thing. great VFX even the pacing of the episode all felt like a feature length network show.

  • @buildanddrive

    @buildanddrive

    Жыл бұрын

    Continuity though.... @4:25

  • @mikebandw186
    @mikebandw186 Жыл бұрын

    Literally every owner 9 months into their first project car: “Maybe we’re just not good mechanics”

  • @AdrianLopez-gp9yz

    @AdrianLopez-gp9yz

    Жыл бұрын

    Chrisfix me trust

  • @aaronbrown8179
    @aaronbrown8179 Жыл бұрын

    Jeremiah's explanation of tire width and it's relation to grip and wear was awesome!

  • @ericmullen14

    @ericmullen14

    Жыл бұрын

    There's also benefits to having that smaller contact patch, purposely increasing pressure over one area has an advantage on deformable surfaces, snow and gravel, WRC winter tires are comically thin

  • @sepg5084

    @sepg5084

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ericmullen14 reduced aquaplaning also

  • @vinnyt42allday

    @vinnyt42allday

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ericmullen14 exactly just sledding through lol

  • @dgphi

    @dgphi

    Жыл бұрын

    Unfortunately he was wrong! See the video *Why Big Brakes Won't Stop You Faster but Wider Tires Will - Friction and Surface Area Explained* on the *driving 4 answers* channel.

  • @bryan23361

    @bryan23361

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@Dan Phillips Jeremiah was demonstrating breakaway force under acceleration, not dynamic compression during deceleration. D4A dives into why wider tires improve braking because tires are made of a compressible material that squeezes into the tiny imperfections in surfaces. D4A is awesome, though, and I'm not trying to shut you down 🤘

  • @ethanhogaboom5877
    @ethanhogaboom5877 Жыл бұрын

    I really like how they’ve integrated Jerry into Hi-Low now. It breaks it up a bit and keeps the video more interesting for a longer duration imo. And I think the stuff he talks about is super interesting

  • @air-headedaviator1805

    @air-headedaviator1805

    Жыл бұрын

    Quite true, but I miss my boy Aaron

  • @nicholascarrasco2141

    @nicholascarrasco2141

    Жыл бұрын

    @@air-headedaviator1805 absolutely, love that guy

  • @Tholokko13

    @Tholokko13

    Жыл бұрын

    @@air-headedaviator1805 I feel Nolan was left alone in the Low team. Aaron left a big space.

  • @arizonafijiicedtea4204

    @arizonafijiicedtea4204

    Жыл бұрын

    @@air-headedaviator1805 what happened to aaron

  • @MarekParek68

    @MarekParek68

    Жыл бұрын

    also honestly Jerry is probably the most charismatic donut member

  • @horrido862
    @horrido862 Жыл бұрын

    donut is seriously perfecting this series format. this is excellent content with entertaining guys

  • @tommylakindasorta3068
    @tommylakindasorta3068 Жыл бұрын

    This show is so well put together. I love the educational segments.

  • @ashveersalikram4946
    @ashveersalikram4946 Жыл бұрын

    Nolans driving has gotten so much better over the last few years its incredible

  • @ergopropterhoc

    @ergopropterhoc

    Жыл бұрын

    turns out the secret sauce for getting good at driving is seat time, who knew

  • @gregorymarkert
    @gregorymarkert Жыл бұрын

    Loving the new batch of hi vs. low, but feel like there’s room for more buyer advice, akin to money pit. Before and during the tests you could discuss things like “why we chose these two tires”, “this is what to look for in a track tire”, “here’s what you might sacrifice in a cheaper option, or gain in a more expensive option.” Great to see fun tests between two cars, but I also love watching Donut for genuine advice.

  • @ther3aper561

    @ther3aper561

    Жыл бұрын

    That's why I loved when Noland and James used to sit down at the end and talk about the results. It's not as far into it as something like Money Pit but it's way more than nothing

  • @juanin200

    @juanin200

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm pretty sure they skipped past it because they've already touched on it on other series, including the original Hi-Low season

  • @TeWziFuzZzion

    @TeWziFuzZzion

    Жыл бұрын

    TRUE

  • @rock-uu7qr

    @rock-uu7qr

    Жыл бұрын

    They arent really professionals in the mechanic/racing scene so they dont give their advice because they dont really know themselves

  • @KenanTurkiye

    @KenanTurkiye

    Жыл бұрын

    5:02 so according to that; When buying shoes I should buy a size or two bigger and they'll last me years. Ok got it, thank! 🙃

  • @larrycolen6123
    @larrycolen6123 Жыл бұрын

    Yup, in a race, the extra thousand dollars for a second per lap is worth it. However, for the cost of the Yokos and one track weekend, you could buy a set of pizzas and get two or three track weekends. Until your lap times vary by less than 0.1 second per lap, save some money on tires and invest in the spacer that fits between the seat and the steering wheel.

  • @simba00784

    @simba00784

    Жыл бұрын

    Is thsy a joke for become a better driver?

  • @AndrewDRoyappa

    @AndrewDRoyappa

    Жыл бұрын

    yes

  • @admranger

    @admranger

    9 ай бұрын

    The seat to steering wheel interface is always the most important part in the car.

  • @cmdrdredd

    @cmdrdredd

    4 ай бұрын

    However, I can run Michelin Pilot Sport 4s year round. Rain, dry, in between they are fantastic on the road too. They aren’t an R compound but they smoke both of these tires on track too. Expensive but totally worth

  • @dustinhoward2990

    @dustinhoward2990

    4 ай бұрын

    @@cmdrdreddI love the pilot sport 4s but they are death traps in the snow. I run the 4s in summer and the snow ice x in the winter

  • @TheMarioOne
    @TheMarioOne Жыл бұрын

    Always loved the HiLow videos but I have to say, the quality has been improving so much throughout the series

  • @JohnDenversUncle
    @JohnDenversUncle Жыл бұрын

    The transition at 5:50 from going into the intro to the cornering test, to the test starting and the ad read has to be the smoothest transitions I have ever seen. I know they had to be proud of how well that went. It was seamless.

  • @Otoskire
    @Otoskire Жыл бұрын

    That was genuinely the best sponsor segment I have ever seen ever. I watched the whole thing, and it didn’t feel like an interruption. Sometimes KZreadrs try to make a whole story with mediocre jokes that takes you out of the video to sell you something but this was just funny, fit right in, and felt honest. Good stuff

  • @You.Me.Dancing

    @You.Me.Dancing

    Жыл бұрын

    Ha 100%, the only channel where I watch the sponsor segments 😅

  • @N1ko0L

    @N1ko0L

    Жыл бұрын

    I actually hated it à lot, he was Litteraly blocking the way lmao, but i respect the effort it was very creative

  • @guando9288

    @guando9288

    Жыл бұрын

    100

  • @mfdoom4358

    @mfdoom4358

    Жыл бұрын

    @@N1ko0L blocked what a car going in circles?

  • @jackvv757

    @jackvv757

    Жыл бұрын

    They need to get rid of the imprezas and do a pimp my ride style hi-lo

  • @dennett316
    @dennett316 Жыл бұрын

    I think a discussion should've been had at the end to weigh everything up vs the cost of the tires. At almost 3 times the price, did the more expensive tyres offer almost 3 times the performance of the cheaper set? Not so sure about that. I know everything is diminishing returns at some point, but still. Two sets of the cheaper tyres for less than the cost of one expensive set is something to consider too.

  • @DannySauer

    @DannySauer

    Жыл бұрын

    My Grand Marquis isn't 20x or more slower than a track-prepped WRX, but the V8 still sounds cool and it costs way less. 😂 Street use values might be different than competition values. :)

  • @Beybladeawsomeness

    @Beybladeawsomeness

    Жыл бұрын

    The thing about about cheap tires is even if they are able to achieve the same peak lap times, they won’t do it as well, they generally don’t communicate as well with the driver, won’t be as responsive, all of which influence the ability to be driven consistently. Another big factor is they don’t handle heat as well, if they did multiple laps in one run, those tires would have probably been a couple seconds off by the third lap, along with extreme wear to the tire as its less advanced compound starts to break down At the end of the day it really does depend on your usage case, if you’re planning on doing a lot of track days, auto cross, whatever, you’ll probably be better off with the expensive tires, just because of how much longer they’ll last, but if you’re really only in need of a good tire for the occasional canyon run, the cheap boys would probably serve you just fine

  • @RaymondLo84

    @RaymondLo84

    Жыл бұрын

    Well when you crash it is often 1 inch of difference…

  • @julien3794

    @julien3794

    Жыл бұрын

    just a drive on rain would give all the credit needed for the 3 time more expensive tyre, and the cheap one certainly heat up so quickly that after one lap it overheat

  • @chrisquinlan8866

    @chrisquinlan8866

    Жыл бұрын

    Why are we not talking about the wheel change and the relative unsprung weight change of each?

  • @FAT9L
    @FAT9L Жыл бұрын

    Props to the camera and editing teams for that last segment, Zach and Adam's laps looked phenomenal.

  • @mariocordiano7244
    @mariocordiano7244 Жыл бұрын

    What I liked most about this series is that it felt like it was just some friends working on their cars. They would show the whole install start to finish and do the tests afterwards. Don't change what made HiLow so great!

  • @bryanareynolds

    @bryanareynolds

    Жыл бұрын

    It's tires

  • @jackvv757

    @jackvv757

    Жыл бұрын

    Here me out, everyone on yt has a track build, wouldn't hi-lo be better if they did a pimp my ride style build on somthing like lifted trucks, think off all the endless opportunities they would have for mods

  • @StreamwoodExplorer

    @StreamwoodExplorer

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jackvv757 No. Absolutely not.

  • @jackvv757

    @jackvv757

    Жыл бұрын

    @@StreamwoodExplorer but we already know what's going to happen with the imprezas, it will just be roll cage, suspension, bucket seats ect...

  • @MrCTFIN

    @MrCTFIN

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jackvv757 I think that Hi-Lo only works when the changes they do can be measured objectively. Pimp My Ride style wouldn't really work if the winner comes down to matter of taste.

  • @AL-jo8lp
    @AL-jo8lp Жыл бұрын

    That tire width explanation was really simple and easy to understand. I would have never thought of it that way

  • @3xeplodng_3agle_studios

    @3xeplodng_3agle_studios

    Жыл бұрын

    Would've been better without the suspicious jump cut with different amounts of weights, during the loaded test at- 4:45

  • @nunyabusiness896

    @nunyabusiness896

    Жыл бұрын

    It's also mostly wrong. The samples weren't tested at operating temp (well above ambient temperature for a track tire) and the reason for a wider tire isn't less wear, it's the increase in adhesive forces (like a piece of tape) to grip the ground. You don't really get those adhesive forces below operating temp, but a sticky track tire at the right temp will literally pick up objects. Mike on Bikes did a very applicable video and is one of the few to bring up adhesive forces when talking tires. Simple friction simply does not apply to tire grip and the distribution of load is actually one of the smaller reasons for wider tires.

  • @lucysmith4242

    @lucysmith4242

    Жыл бұрын

    It's also wrong, Nunya Business has the right Idea. Read Carroll Smith books

  • @Thebadbeaver9

    @Thebadbeaver9

    Жыл бұрын

    Its really quite a simple equation, static friction (for the sake of this example the tire operates under static friction conditions when not losing grip - that being said, kinetic friction is the same equation however it is instead an inequality) is equal to the coefficient of friction of the tire times the normal force. Normal force is mass times gravity, or the weight of the car on the tire. The area of the contact patch does NOT directly increase the friction force, as surface area is not a direct component of proportionality in the friction equation.

  • @ThePower1037

    @ThePower1037

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nunyabusiness896 Couldn't have said it better myself.

  • @matthewmarsden3647
    @matthewmarsden3647 Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love Zestino's Gredge series tyres, never had any problems and they easily outperform to Bridgestone potenza's, switched over 3 years ago and used nothing else since - fantastic tyres, especially for the money

  • @refreshing_ac6371
    @refreshing_ac6371 Жыл бұрын

    The laughter after James said “this is pretty easy” 😂 thank you all so much (hosts, editors, everyone!) for putting in so much work to make amazing content! You all are the best ❤

  • @03canadianf5
    @03canadianf5 Жыл бұрын

    For someone that just run track days, I think the $600 tire is a perfectly viable option. Obviously though if you're actually looking for a competitive edge in a time attack series, you're going to want to pay the extra.

  • @bavarianbanshee

    @bavarianbanshee

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree, for someone being more casual, and just having fun with it, the Totino's are a perfectly good option.

  • @asdatrolley6231

    @asdatrolley6231

    Жыл бұрын

    yea definitely especially since u are paying $1000 more for roughly a second faster

  • @jamesborb4255

    @jamesborb4255

    Жыл бұрын

    Especially if you're still a beginner at track racing. Before you spend money on expensive stuff that will automatically make you faster it will be better to actually learn how go fast with cheap stuff and just your skill, learn the limits of the tires, the brakes, the suspension, the chassis

  • @TheRealisticTake

    @TheRealisticTake

    Жыл бұрын

    Agree, outside if breaking (like panic stops), 1600$ isn't worth the expense for daily street...that said, rain traction hasn't been tested.

  • @havefun1226

    @havefun1226

    Жыл бұрын

    Wel in belgium i got a set of r888r for like 650€ i i think r888r are decent ore am i wrong its for my m140i 18 inch so its not the biggest size

  • @fadmap9676
    @fadmap9676 Жыл бұрын

    "We're spending your hard earned money on them" 🤣 love it

  • @TheLightbryte

    @TheLightbryte

    Жыл бұрын

    😆

  • @jaycobolvera3147
    @jaycobolvera3147 Жыл бұрын

    You see how Nolan smiled when James called him “honey”. Real friends

  • @kulbar248
    @kulbar248 Жыл бұрын

    Possibly the best episode I've ever seen? And I've seen em all. Great content, pacing, editing, vibes, everything was great. Can't wait to see more! 🤙

  • @TunaaMan
    @TunaaMan Жыл бұрын

    Guys, I highly recommend you install race-ready oilpans with anti-sloshing tech like windage trays, EJ motors are notorious for oil starving in high G turns, as the oil will pool in one side of the pan/ motor and starve the pickup. Also Air-oil seperators or catch cans will do you wonders for reliability, as there's a lot of crank crase pressure in Subaru's and the oil lowers the octane of the fuel and can causing knocking.

  • @GoldenRetrevFam

    @GoldenRetrevFam

    Жыл бұрын

    Whoa

  • @RC_Trailblazers

    @RC_Trailblazers

    Жыл бұрын

    they already discussed this after the hi car engine blew and they did a diagnostic on it. I'm sure it's in their plans or they already did it and it's not a video worthy since it's not actually changing anything aside from reliability.

  • @bobbihansel
    @bobbihansel Жыл бұрын

    The quality of your production is absolutely top shelf. The scrim, the easing on your scale animations, overlays, sound design, the really fun pieces to camera, the energy... love it. My favourite yt channel, hands down.

  • @bobbihansel

    @bobbihansel

    Жыл бұрын

    If you guys are ever looking for another senior editor who can work from Australia, hit me up!

  • @VeryHandsomeAndTall

    @VeryHandsomeAndTall

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree it’s gone WAY up. I watched some of their old videos that are 2+ years old and they are way different. Super cool to see.

  • @bakawolffskates
    @bakawolffskates Жыл бұрын

    u guys r amazing. the only channel i don’t mind the ads cuz they’re good & hilarious

  • @juliansowa7622
    @juliansowa7622 Жыл бұрын

    Both cars being slower might actually be true for some cars with better tires. Stickier tires have more rolling resistance which will add more friction to driving. Also, if your car is not spinning the wheels at launch sticker tires will not make you faster because that would be the only advantage. These are all wheel drive cars so it makes sense how the tires didnt help but hurt the acceleration!

  • @OldManShoutsAtClouds

    @OldManShoutsAtClouds

    Жыл бұрын

    It probably has more to do with the new unsprung weight and the driver's wussy launch lol

  • @matthewjennings7645
    @matthewjennings7645 Жыл бұрын

    I just realized that Adam is a great driver, a neutral party in your competition, and speaks very little (on the show). Adam is the Stig of Donut!

  • @PaulMcElligott

    @PaulMcElligott

    Жыл бұрын

    Shop Daddy Stig

  • @rascal1514

    @rascal1514

    Жыл бұрын

    Stignut

  • @brianverrett

    @brianverrett

    Жыл бұрын

    Some say he finds old dinosaur bones and replaces his joints with them...all we know is he's called the Shop Stig

  • @spawsgoober

    @spawsgoober

    Жыл бұрын

    now he needs a yellow race helmet

  • @neuroplasticity

    @neuroplasticity

    Жыл бұрын

    Don't you do Ben like that.

  • @MrJebudny
    @MrJebudny Жыл бұрын

    Can we all agree how AWESOME it is to see Nolan being so comfortable in front of the camera now? Especially compared to his first videos!!!

  • @PuckFNT
    @PuckFNT Жыл бұрын

    You guys have been knocking it out of the park with these HI/LOW videos. Love them!

  • @jessupwilliams2846
    @jessupwilliams2846 Жыл бұрын

    Im eager to see the longevity of the tires by the time both cars are finished, cause honestly the wally world tires seem clutch

  • @loicsavage4462
    @loicsavage4462 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks donut team for bringing back hi lo again. Love it

  • @antonioquesada-castro4925

    @antonioquesada-castro4925

    Жыл бұрын

    one if the bests car shows, ever...

  • @tatemadsen1776
    @tatemadsen1776 Жыл бұрын

    Best ad of all time was James running in a circle while doing the test absolutely genius

  • @cameronharvey4746
    @cameronharvey4746 Жыл бұрын

    This series is literal gold. It is so much better than almost any actual TV show about cars ive ever seen besides top gear honestly. I am so glad they have blown up in popularity and get the millions of views these videos deserve. Some of the best car content available right now easily.

  • @JayCeeSquared
    @JayCeeSquared Жыл бұрын

    Amazing editing, super engaging and the camera work was just incredible. The ad read was one of the best Ive ever seen, just congrats

  • @danlabayo3070
    @danlabayo3070 Жыл бұрын

    I really love the way that this show is constantly evolving even if its already successful. the filmography and all is awesome.

  • @jonathanbaxter6254

    @jonathanbaxter6254

    Жыл бұрын

    I was pretty blown away by this one

  • @milesman2223

    @milesman2223

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm gonna be devil's advocate, it's starting to be closer to mid 2000's MTV and I don't enjoy it. I genuinely love the older stuff which was less processed.

  • @friznutzs
    @friznutzs Жыл бұрын

    Would have loved to also see a wet performance comparison. That's one of the reasons I choose summer tires over all seasons

  • @smileyguyz

    @smileyguyz

    Жыл бұрын

    They're in socal, water doesn't exist.

  • @marioelburro1492

    @marioelburro1492

    Жыл бұрын

    @@smileyguyz would be cool if these test it elsewhere to account for temperature changes and water since we all dont live in dry areas. Would make good content as well

  • @Idelvion

    @Idelvion

    Жыл бұрын

    @@marioelburro1492 yeah for real, I’ve some Federal 595 RS-PRO cause they’re cheaper (and I think are good tires). I live in Italy near the Alps so temperature and wether change very frequently. My tires change a lot due to the temperature. If not worm enough you lose a bit of grip in normal conditions, in wet conditions with low temperature you better stay at home or use another car (absolutely zero grip). I’d love to see a video like you suggested in order to understand if there’s something better without having to buy and try all of them.

  • @af3ktd
    @af3ktd Жыл бұрын

    excellent test and comparisons guys, love it!

  • @ejsdead-6363
    @ejsdead-6363 Жыл бұрын

    You guys are so silly I love this channel. And I really love how you bring the whole cast in, everybody has such fun personaloties

  • @djscuzzy17
    @djscuzzy17 Жыл бұрын

    Their cinematography has gotten so much better over the years it's incredible!

  • @vidademikey9790

    @vidademikey9790

    Жыл бұрын

    I mean technology in cameras advance every year soooo....

  • @godzillaxred

    @godzillaxred

    Жыл бұрын

    @@vidademikey9790 yeah but someone has to actually man the camera haha

  • @nightwing268

    @nightwing268

    Жыл бұрын

    @@vidademikey9790 technology can only get you so far. It's the skills that really make a noticeable difference.

  • @djscuzzy17

    @djscuzzy17

    Жыл бұрын

    @@vidademikey9790 wasn't talking about the quality of camera or video itself, was talking about their techniques, drone shots, cuts/transitions....... Derrr

  • @TransformXRED
    @TransformXRED Жыл бұрын

    I wasn't expecting the little experiment on the table, and it was great! I like these little pieces of science in video like this. Entertainment + some interesting science (or facts) makes the difference between those who just "review" things without any context or explanation. I love these donuts

  • @thoktrigg3308

    @thoktrigg3308

    Жыл бұрын

    I share your opinion

  • @noncog1

    @noncog1

    Жыл бұрын

    Look into tire load sensitivity for a better understanding though

  • @oscarchang486

    @oscarchang486

    Жыл бұрын

    But the tire pieces are dragged differently. The smaller piece had the treads sideways and the larger piece had the treads going the same direction. not the best demonstration imo

  • @LifeInJambles

    @LifeInJambles

    Жыл бұрын

    The experiment on the table was a little misleading though. On a smooth surface (or mostly smooth, like here) static friction or stiction is your main factor, but on rough asphalt like a race track, the compound deforms into the little voids between the harder rocks, creating a mechanical adhesion, which has much more grip. Doing the experiment in a way that represents that difference would have involved more weight to increase the deformation of the rubber and a significantly bigger force meter. I dunno if they didn't want to bust out for the more expensive equipment, or just didn't know the full picture, but this experiment is definitely missing something. The different wear characteristics and resulting compound changes is totally valid though. That's one of the benefits of wider tires for sure. If you wanna learn more about wider tires being more grippy, HP Academy has a pretty in-depth little interview with a.... michelin? pirelli? engineer that covers the topic of wider tires and compound choice for race days pretty well.

  • @LifeInJambles

    @LifeInJambles

    Жыл бұрын

    Right, forgot to clarify the takeaway you'd end up with from the more complete experiment: given a rougher surface (representing the asphalt in a race track) and more weight to cause the deformation needed to take advantage (representing the forces a car would put into the tire) a wider contact patch does in fact increase grip because it's not just friction you're dealing with.

  • @DudeTF2
    @DudeTF2 Жыл бұрын

    love everyone coming together to do their thing to make an episode, lovely watching people be utilized for their expertise

  • @iheartyourfeet
    @iheartyourfeet Жыл бұрын

    This channel deserves every success they get. Excellent content

  • @mozzie2729
    @mozzie2729 Жыл бұрын

    Having you both all down at the end of the video to have a good and thorough discussion about cost and performance is missed. Hope y'all get back to doing that. I feel like having a smaller budget and just starting out, the $600 tire choice would be best and work your way up to a more expensive tire afterwards.

  • @adamgeigerjr6995

    @adamgeigerjr6995

    Жыл бұрын

    right? like the hi car tires are better but $1000 better? no way ...

  • @NickVetter

    @NickVetter

    Жыл бұрын

    @@adamgeigerjr6995 you would have to use both long term because maybe one wear worse.

  • @adamgeigerjr6995

    @adamgeigerjr6995

    Жыл бұрын

    @@NickVetter get that but kinda crazy that I can get 2 sets of those tires for a track weekend & be just as happy as the guy spending $400 more on one set. idk I just wish they did talk about these things

  • @NickVetter

    @NickVetter

    Жыл бұрын

    @@adamgeigerjr6995 I also wish they explained their thoughts at the end. Racing is expensive and you have to pay for that increase in performance.

  • @Domaudeo
    @Domaudeo Жыл бұрын

    I think Hi/Lo is one of the best series Donut Media has right now, very entertaining. And James has found the best way to segue to sponsor without allowing viewers to skip over ;)

  • @redbeardgamingofficial3944
    @redbeardgamingofficial3944 Жыл бұрын

    Really really good video guys! Loving the new cheap vs expensive series too 🤘🏼🤙🏼

  • @ReviewApaHariIni
    @ReviewApaHariIni Жыл бұрын

    You guys are well on the way to become a legendary motoring channel. Much like the original Top Gear. Heck, even better. The topics, the cinematography, and the personalities. All top notch.

  • @tyrereviews
    @tyrereviews Жыл бұрын

    Donut and tires makes me unreasonably happy ❤️

  • @ttbini
    @ttbini Жыл бұрын

    This formula is amazing by the way, having the next segment ready to go as well as a kick ass ad read. Over the years the content has become incredibly high quality and the hard work shows guys keep it up this is my favorite automotive channel on KZread ❤

  • @SVTJD
    @SVTJD Жыл бұрын

    Love this series

  • @UltimateSugar95
    @UltimateSugar95 Жыл бұрын

    Wider tires sink more heat too so they generally run more consistent as you race longer

  • @D-Rockk
    @D-Rockk Жыл бұрын

    These Hi-Low episodes are amazing guys! Thank you all so much! (Especially you James!)

  • @osier769
    @osier769 Жыл бұрын

    That lateral traction test _slash_ Ebay Motors crossover was brilliant. Thanks Ebay for helping Donut Media to invest millions of dollars in to R&D creating such a technically advanced and innovative test, circles are no joke. 😄

  • @lc500yyc
    @lc500yyc Жыл бұрын

    clever way to implement sponsors into the video and keep the audience engaged at the same time

  • @justinfiallo6826
    @justinfiallo6826 Жыл бұрын

    Been watching yall since 2 million and its awesome to see the editing become more and more sohpisticated. At this point, yall could have your own TV show.

  • @rynraff
    @rynraff Жыл бұрын

    The authenticity of all you guys is what makes this show for me, pure content and real feels 🤘🏻😂 love y’all’s videos

  • @madcat1436
    @madcat1436 Жыл бұрын

    I agree this was the best ad placement yet, I watched it all. I think when you building a track car there are few things you can skimp on and others that really need quality. Tires are one of the things that really make a big difference. With that being said there is always the middle of the road options that offer value and quality and offer similar results beyond expensive and cheap.

  • @dekatonkheir
    @dekatonkheir Жыл бұрын

    Production value getting conspicuous. This video was super well made, great editing and camerawork. Luv you guys xo

  • @pirospipacs
    @pirospipacs Жыл бұрын

    I guess u learn something everyday. Thanks guys.

  • @projectmedianz
    @projectmedianz Жыл бұрын

    Can’t beat these videos - really helps people understand the best path to go down when modifying their cars

  • @mykolaschannel
    @mykolaschannel Жыл бұрын

    Literally the only channel where I don't skip the ad integrations, because they are fun to watch.

  • @popopr5113
    @popopr5113 Жыл бұрын

    We loved this episode. Some customers sat down to watch it with us here at the vape shop. Most of us are car people too so it was fun. Thanks for the video!

  • @stevemcdonald2648
    @stevemcdonald2648 Жыл бұрын

    This is a really polished production. Interesting, funny, relevant. Well done guys, great to see.

  • @mikeskinner0411
    @mikeskinner0411 Жыл бұрын

    Thoroughly impressed how you guys are STILL stepping up the production and entertainment value each week!

  • @KingLeoneI
    @KingLeoneI Жыл бұрын

    I'm always hyped when they post another video cause the videos are really good

  • @eymd3067

    @eymd3067

    Жыл бұрын

    I like to breathe because it keeps me alive

  • @chriscrawford3261

    @chriscrawford3261

    Жыл бұрын

    I like to walk because it gets me places

  • @Vixenlive22

    @Vixenlive22

    Жыл бұрын

    I like to eat because it keeps me from starving

  • @D-Rockk

    @D-Rockk

    Жыл бұрын

    Hrspr

  • @SHIZURAKU

    @SHIZURAKU

    Жыл бұрын

    I like to drive because it gets me to places

  • @kelvpoon
    @kelvpoon Жыл бұрын

    I feel sooo impressed bout this forensic episode. How I wish I can do what u guys do!

  • @jnerdsblog
    @jnerdsblog Жыл бұрын

    3:20 One of the reasons I LOVE this channel is the random nostalgic sound effects. READING RAINBOW!

  • @andrewvaldivieso1718
    @andrewvaldivieso1718 Жыл бұрын

    It would’ve been interesting if Hi-Car’s brakes worked. I would’ve loved to see the combination of the Tein suspension with the yokahomas

  • @wake777

    @wake777

    Жыл бұрын

    When I first got my 02 wrx I had the problem lol. New brake pads mostly helped, still need a full new break system though.

  • @lathamdewolfe5390
    @lathamdewolfe5390 Жыл бұрын

    Massive shout out to Nowlan! That man is becoming a really good driver. Massive improvements since he joined the channel. Hats off to you sir.

  • @X88DRAGON

    @X88DRAGON

    Жыл бұрын

    I coudn´t agree more, I bet he could beat most of the guys at my local track day

  • @GarageBandSuperheros
    @GarageBandSuperheros Жыл бұрын

    That was the best ad spot I've seen yet. Good job James, I love you.

  • @o.d.c.dreamgarage1625
    @o.d.c.dreamgarage1625 Жыл бұрын

    Really liked this video compared to past ones it was very bright and fun loving this high car low car series

  • @oospah
    @oospah Жыл бұрын

    I would LOVE to see aero being done ( I think it would be funny seeing low team trying to diy underbody aero)

  • @megumiishitani4027
    @megumiishitani4027 Жыл бұрын

    Nolan is like that anime character with the highest potential. Never talks much but is a good mechanic and driver AND HOST.

  • @sparkedghost

    @sparkedghost

    Жыл бұрын

    Truly the takumi of donut

  • @Will_14_years_ago
    @Will_14_years_ago Жыл бұрын

    Diggin your guys stuff !! Great test

  • @eurothor_rl1633
    @eurothor_rl1633 Жыл бұрын

    Love the donut challenges on fh5 guys! Please make a drift focused one!

  • @PocketRaptor
    @PocketRaptor Жыл бұрын

    I love the explanation of the tires with the sandpaper test! So informative and at the same time making an entertaining video, killin it guys!

  • @g4sswanson597
    @g4sswanson597 Жыл бұрын

    Great video however one of the key factors that I think they should recap on in a future episode is how each tire wears over time because that’s another huge factor in performance tire which justifies an expense difference

  • @nunyabusiness896

    @nunyabusiness896

    Жыл бұрын

    Most likely the more expensive tire will wear more quickly. It's not just about tread depth, either. More track-focused compounds are more sensitive to heat cycling, which means while they grip more initially, they also drop off much more quickly. After a few heat and cool cycles, a set of track tires could have less grip than a set of crappy Chinese off-brand all seasons. IMO pricey tires should only be used for competition or when your car makes so much power it's undrivable without them. Furthermore, lower grip tires are better for learning as people that throw on glue tires to start get overconfident and when they finally get brave enough to overdrive them, they are at dangerous speeds and they haven't trained recovery methods and are more likely to get in a serious crash. The real best thing is to put crappy tires and learn to balance your car at the limit at speeds that won't get you killed, then when you've mastered it you put on the stickies and go be a hero.

  • @christopherjohnston6343

    @christopherjohnston6343

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nunyabusiness896 the expensive Tyre looks like the AD09 whereas the cheap one is meant to be a budget 200TW competitor AFAIK. The AD09 is technically not on the same level. It's like a sporty road Tyre rather than a dedicated track day Tyre (that's what the AO52 is for) and should have better overall performance in dry and wet as well as better wear. It may also not need as much heat to work properly

  • @nunyabusiness896

    @nunyabusiness896

    Жыл бұрын

    @@christopherjohnston6343 Not sure where you were checking specs, but according to TireRack the Advan Neova AD09 is a 200 treadwear tire as well, putting them in the same class and is even sold under the "Extreme Performance Summer Tire" category. I can't tell for sure, but I think the Advans were also a wider tire size as well, which makes the comparison somewhat unfair. I also don't agree that the Zestinos don't have a tread pattern for wet conditions, it absolutely looks like a wet/dry pattern, they're not DOT slicks like the AO52. We also aren't really shown if they put effort into getting the tires into the proper heat profile as if they were just doing singular laps on cold tires then that's not in the proper temperature range. Medium-soft track day tires (soft being reserved for full slicks) can easily take two laps to get into full heat, depending on the track temp and frequency of corners. This grinds my gears a bit as I hate it when they do these "cheap vs expensive" shootouts and unfairly stack the deck in favor of the expensive product by doing things like making them a larger size or deliberately (or negligently) not paying attention to ideal tire temps. Not saying the Zestinos would win regardless, as after all it was damn close anyway to the point I'd say the Zestinos are a better buy knowing you'll be trashing these in 5-10k miles tops on the street.

  • @christopherjohnston6343

    @christopherjohnston6343

    Жыл бұрын

    @@nunyabusiness896 either way they aren't really like for like. I was going off vibes I got from AD09 marketing material when I wrote my comment. Its just a successor to the Ad08r - so its not meant to be a super extreme tyre. The Zestino actually did fairly well considering the price difference.

  • @nunyabusiness896

    @nunyabusiness896

    Жыл бұрын

    @@christopherjohnston6343 Facts don't care about your vibes, you're wrong and you should stop misinforming people. Never listen to any tire marketing department, they spew all kinds of nonsense, you have to go on pure data and testing.

  • @jetztenshi
    @jetztenshi Жыл бұрын

    love the ad read while circling. very well timed

  • @richbitch3240
    @richbitch3240 Жыл бұрын

    Hi-Lo is honestly the best series on this channel. I would love to see a Hi-Lo Bike edition. 🔥

  • @audiohymn
    @audiohymn Жыл бұрын

    great video. i’m not sure if it would have a huge impact, but wouldn’t the weight + diameter of the aftermarket wheels also have an impact on the final times of the first test? i feel like the switch from a 15” or 16” stock wheel to a 17” or 18” aftermarket wheel, even with the new tires, could add a little more rotational mass and take a bit more effort to get up to speed. either way, love the series and appreciate greatly all the effort you guys put in!

  • @itchykona228
    @itchykona228 Жыл бұрын

    A great follow up idea would be which tire lasted longer. I'm curious if the Yokohamas would be more durable and if so by how much

  • @Erteywie

    @Erteywie

    Жыл бұрын

    That's what the UTQG Rating is for

  • @E_tiBEAMERBOY

    @E_tiBEAMERBOY

    Жыл бұрын

    Guess that would really depend on ones driving Habits

  • @dudewtf1776

    @dudewtf1776

    Жыл бұрын

    Most high-performance tires in that price range have a very short life. I mean, if you compare it to say, an all-season tire. But, it also depends on your driving style.

  • @jeremiahbueler4035
    @jeremiahbueler4035 Жыл бұрын

    Whoever is in charge of the cinematography I have to saw man the timing and switches of angles n stuff have gotten way better it’s really cool to watch

  • @scottmalcolmson4584
    @scottmalcolmson4584 Жыл бұрын

    Something to consider, launching an awd turbo car with lots of grip takes a ton of clut h slippage to keep it in boost. Something I learned driving my 91 tsi awd talon. I would basically slip 2/3s of the way through 1st, stock clutches don't much like it, but it launches like a beast

  • @rhinoskin7550
    @rhinoskin7550 Жыл бұрын

    Happy for the crew at Donut for how far you guys come came. Thanks for the entertainment.

  • @Watchdog99
    @Watchdog99 Жыл бұрын

    Nolan’s driving has improved leaps and bounds over the last 2 years. What a beauty

  • @misspelledgod4003
    @misspelledgod4003 Жыл бұрын

    Man oh man i've been banging my head about the tire width vs traction situation forever. Thank you!!!!!! I always knew patch size did change grip....

  • @northwestnasandthesearch3359
    @northwestnasandthesearch3359 Жыл бұрын

    James running with the cars doing a lap behind him made me not be bummed to watch an ad. You guys are dope 🤘🏼

  • @iamthelaw69
    @iamthelaw69 Жыл бұрын

    I think two things you should have tested that are pretty important as well: 1) wet skid pad, to test wet traction (these are summer performance tires so far as I know), and 2) longevity, a combination of traction wear and aging to dry rot.

  • @jamesinoregon1081
    @jamesinoregon1081 Жыл бұрын

    A good final comparison would have been to run two sessions of 20 laps each and look at the time degradation as the tires have more heat cycles and also then measure the tread depth. Longevity of the tire is also a significant factor when considering how much to spend on a tire. And were there any problems with the low tire as far as delamination or bubbling from the heat Cycles

  • @07wrxtr1

    @07wrxtr1

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't think either one of those EJ25's would last 20 laps.... he was already complaining about heat issues with one of the vehicles.... I think they'll inevitably end up in the need for a fully built EJ25 if they continue the series for the longterm - and really - the first thing both of these need is a simple cobb dyno tune to alleviate the inherent stock ecu lean fuel curve issues that plagued those years...

  • @nunyabusiness896

    @nunyabusiness896

    Жыл бұрын

    Usually the life of a tire is less about how expensive and more about how aggressive the compound is. Almost universally for tires of same production year (not 2002 compounds against 2022 compounds, rubber aging aside) a softer, grippier tire will also age more quickly and fall off long before the tread is worn down. This is why tire "mods" are usually a bad idea for a street car, especially one not being regularly used in competition. There's also the fact that track tires usually prefer more heat than they'll get from street driving, so they can actually be more slippery in everyday driving conditions, especially in colder climates. They left out a lot of important info about tires, they really need to get an actual track/race driver on staff as an adviser, way too much bro science in these.

  • @E_tiBEAMERBOY

    @E_tiBEAMERBOY

    Жыл бұрын

    Doubt the brakes would hold or the cars engines without dry sump

  • @AzizBike
    @AzizBike Жыл бұрын

    Awesome demonstration on how grip actually works. Many people don't believe me when I try to explain this to them.

  • @BurleyAmes
    @BurleyAmes Жыл бұрын

    I like the new direction Top Gear is taking. Finally, 3 solid new hosts...

  • @Boostedm3nace
    @Boostedm3nace Жыл бұрын

    I def like how you ended up testing both tires on the same car with the same drivers, at the end. Way more accurate results!

  • @jeffduncan02
    @jeffduncan02 Жыл бұрын

    You added a lot more rotational weight with bigger wheels and tires, that's why they were slower in accelerating.

  • @highoctanegames

    @highoctanegames

    Жыл бұрын

    I was always wondering why it was like that sometimes Thanks for explaining

  • @perkypears

    @perkypears

    10 ай бұрын

    that actually makes a lot of sense, its the same mechanics of starting on a higher gear when you think about it

  • @dfheezy

    @dfheezy

    3 ай бұрын

    Inertia

  • @teeganwessels3752
    @teeganwessels3752 Жыл бұрын

    Glad hi low is back 🔥🔥🔥🔥really cars next

  • @jannikl.8542
    @jannikl.8542 Жыл бұрын

    The production quality guys....great job!

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