$600 Walmart Tires vs $1600 Racing Tires
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We're testing out a set of $1600 Yokohama vs $600 Zestinos tires to see if more expensive = more better grip.
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That cornering test while james did the ad is one of the most creative ad reads ive ever seen on KZread.
@WhiteG60
Жыл бұрын
Agree. Was extremely well done.
@pauloalexandre8164
Жыл бұрын
I usually skip them, but this one I actually watched it all 😂
@JigbertJimsinJG
Жыл бұрын
@@pauloalexandre8164 same here.
@ericpan601
Жыл бұрын
Donut ads are the best on KZread
@D-Rockk
Жыл бұрын
They lined up the angle pretty damn good too!
Pretty funny that Hi Car is the one that gets all the expensive stuff but has to be repaired the most.
@tatezaxbys5094
Жыл бұрын
Mo expensive doesn’t always mean mo betta
@renz1013
Жыл бұрын
Hi Maintenance
@willfoster7187
Жыл бұрын
Sounds like my Forester XT bahahahha. 😂😂
@stubbingtonmarigold3032
Жыл бұрын
That’s the reality when you dump money into an old car...
@razacha426
Жыл бұрын
It’ was the same with the z too 😂
Throughout all the driving videos Nolan is a really good driver for not being a pro. He consistently turns the fastest times other than the pro driver and he usually isn’t too far off. Props to you Nolan.
@JoshuaGreyJensen
Жыл бұрын
And consistent
Jeremiah speaking in metric for the tire tread experiment really got my engine going! So refreshing to see the donut crew trying to entertain AND educate us all!
I kinda miss Nolan and James sitting down at the end of the episode and doing a breakdown on what they'd rather buy otherwise this season is Hi-Low is great.
@BrianGriffinQuahog
Жыл бұрын
Came to the comments literally to post this.
@tbm275
Жыл бұрын
I mean all things considered the off brand tires did ok, if you had a budget and you needed some basic tires to practice with on some HPDE days those would be fine. And then when you get comfortable then you start spending the big bucks on the good stuff
@ThatstaticEKHatch
Жыл бұрын
Agreed😊
@peterjohnson9438
Жыл бұрын
@@tbm275 yeah - unless you're a multimillionaire and you're working on a project car in between parties, escorts and avoiding paparazzi, there's no point in overspending before you know WHY you're spending. Especially true for the parts that are more on the racing end of the spectrum - stuff like big turbos, aggressive clutches, no-foot-effort big brake kits, chassis stiffening, extreme weight reduction super stiff suspension and no-ground-clearance aero *will* make the car faster on the track, but it'll be absolutely horrible to drive on the street, if it's even close to street legal by the time you're done. A $600 tire set is more than most people would want to spend on tires, anyway, and even low-end tire sets are fine while they're fresh. Project cars are near-infinite money pits anyway for us mortals, so only go ham when you really know you NEED the extra bit of performance or features you'd get by spending more than four times the price of the cheapest viable option. Yes, in the end you'll pay for some parts twice. This is how we learn.
@p24p14
Жыл бұрын
I think donut is starting to be very "corporate-y"
Still very impressed with Nolans driving ability's dudes a sleeper...
@werewolfman186
Жыл бұрын
Facts
@dabington
Жыл бұрын
He's the only one who's been tracking beyond a video
@vilshe7449
Жыл бұрын
@@Patrick.Howie. 🤡
@zhila5958
Жыл бұрын
@@Patrick.Howie. the average salary of a clown per year is 50,000$. and you do it for free?
@yvnginfinity
Жыл бұрын
@@Patrick.Howie. I bet most of them are better than you considering this is their job
Dude... The cinematography throughout these episodes - this one in particular - has been absolutely incredible. The sunset shots, the drone transitions and overheads, and of course the most creative sponsor segment of all time. Love it.
@xodiaq
Жыл бұрын
Donut is kind of getting that vibe that the old Top Gear had
@CullenCraft
Жыл бұрын
I realized a month or so that Donut has become Mythbusters for cars and I'm here for it
@redmond420
Жыл бұрын
I like 🐢
@bretgardner3647
Жыл бұрын
was about to say the same thing. great VFX even the pacing of the episode all felt like a feature length network show.
@buildanddrive
Жыл бұрын
Continuity though.... @4:25
Literally every owner 9 months into their first project car: “Maybe we’re just not good mechanics”
@AdrianLopez-gp9yz
Жыл бұрын
Chrisfix me trust
Jeremiah's explanation of tire width and it's relation to grip and wear was awesome!
@ericmullen14
Жыл бұрын
There's also benefits to having that smaller contact patch, purposely increasing pressure over one area has an advantage on deformable surfaces, snow and gravel, WRC winter tires are comically thin
@sepg5084
Жыл бұрын
@@ericmullen14 reduced aquaplaning also
@vinnyt42allday
Жыл бұрын
@@ericmullen14 exactly just sledding through lol
@dgphi
Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately he was wrong! See the video *Why Big Brakes Won't Stop You Faster but Wider Tires Will - Friction and Surface Area Explained* on the *driving 4 answers* channel.
@bryan23361
Жыл бұрын
@Dan Phillips Jeremiah was demonstrating breakaway force under acceleration, not dynamic compression during deceleration. D4A dives into why wider tires improve braking because tires are made of a compressible material that squeezes into the tiny imperfections in surfaces. D4A is awesome, though, and I'm not trying to shut you down 🤘
I really like how they’ve integrated Jerry into Hi-Low now. It breaks it up a bit and keeps the video more interesting for a longer duration imo. And I think the stuff he talks about is super interesting
@air-headedaviator1805
Жыл бұрын
Quite true, but I miss my boy Aaron
@nicholascarrasco2141
Жыл бұрын
@@air-headedaviator1805 absolutely, love that guy
@Tholokko13
Жыл бұрын
@@air-headedaviator1805 I feel Nolan was left alone in the Low team. Aaron left a big space.
@arizonafijiicedtea4204
Жыл бұрын
@@air-headedaviator1805 what happened to aaron
@MarekParek68
Жыл бұрын
also honestly Jerry is probably the most charismatic donut member
donut is seriously perfecting this series format. this is excellent content with entertaining guys
This show is so well put together. I love the educational segments.
Nolans driving has gotten so much better over the last few years its incredible
@ergopropterhoc
Жыл бұрын
turns out the secret sauce for getting good at driving is seat time, who knew
Loving the new batch of hi vs. low, but feel like there’s room for more buyer advice, akin to money pit. Before and during the tests you could discuss things like “why we chose these two tires”, “this is what to look for in a track tire”, “here’s what you might sacrifice in a cheaper option, or gain in a more expensive option.” Great to see fun tests between two cars, but I also love watching Donut for genuine advice.
@ther3aper561
Жыл бұрын
That's why I loved when Noland and James used to sit down at the end and talk about the results. It's not as far into it as something like Money Pit but it's way more than nothing
@juanin200
Жыл бұрын
I'm pretty sure they skipped past it because they've already touched on it on other series, including the original Hi-Low season
@TeWziFuzZzion
Жыл бұрын
TRUE
@rock-uu7qr
Жыл бұрын
They arent really professionals in the mechanic/racing scene so they dont give their advice because they dont really know themselves
@KenanTurkiye
Жыл бұрын
5:02 so according to that; When buying shoes I should buy a size or two bigger and they'll last me years. Ok got it, thank! 🙃
Yup, in a race, the extra thousand dollars for a second per lap is worth it. However, for the cost of the Yokos and one track weekend, you could buy a set of pizzas and get two or three track weekends. Until your lap times vary by less than 0.1 second per lap, save some money on tires and invest in the spacer that fits between the seat and the steering wheel.
@simba00784
Жыл бұрын
Is thsy a joke for become a better driver?
@AndrewDRoyappa
Жыл бұрын
yes
@admranger
9 ай бұрын
The seat to steering wheel interface is always the most important part in the car.
@cmdrdredd
4 ай бұрын
However, I can run Michelin Pilot Sport 4s year round. Rain, dry, in between they are fantastic on the road too. They aren’t an R compound but they smoke both of these tires on track too. Expensive but totally worth
@dustinhoward2990
4 ай бұрын
@@cmdrdreddI love the pilot sport 4s but they are death traps in the snow. I run the 4s in summer and the snow ice x in the winter
Always loved the HiLow videos but I have to say, the quality has been improving so much throughout the series
The transition at 5:50 from going into the intro to the cornering test, to the test starting and the ad read has to be the smoothest transitions I have ever seen. I know they had to be proud of how well that went. It was seamless.
That was genuinely the best sponsor segment I have ever seen ever. I watched the whole thing, and it didn’t feel like an interruption. Sometimes KZreadrs try to make a whole story with mediocre jokes that takes you out of the video to sell you something but this was just funny, fit right in, and felt honest. Good stuff
@You.Me.Dancing
Жыл бұрын
Ha 100%, the only channel where I watch the sponsor segments 😅
@N1ko0L
Жыл бұрын
I actually hated it à lot, he was Litteraly blocking the way lmao, but i respect the effort it was very creative
@guando9288
Жыл бұрын
100
@mfdoom4358
Жыл бұрын
@@N1ko0L blocked what a car going in circles?
@jackvv757
Жыл бұрын
They need to get rid of the imprezas and do a pimp my ride style hi-lo
I think a discussion should've been had at the end to weigh everything up vs the cost of the tires. At almost 3 times the price, did the more expensive tyres offer almost 3 times the performance of the cheaper set? Not so sure about that. I know everything is diminishing returns at some point, but still. Two sets of the cheaper tyres for less than the cost of one expensive set is something to consider too.
@DannySauer
Жыл бұрын
My Grand Marquis isn't 20x or more slower than a track-prepped WRX, but the V8 still sounds cool and it costs way less. 😂 Street use values might be different than competition values. :)
@Beybladeawsomeness
Жыл бұрын
The thing about about cheap tires is even if they are able to achieve the same peak lap times, they won’t do it as well, they generally don’t communicate as well with the driver, won’t be as responsive, all of which influence the ability to be driven consistently. Another big factor is they don’t handle heat as well, if they did multiple laps in one run, those tires would have probably been a couple seconds off by the third lap, along with extreme wear to the tire as its less advanced compound starts to break down At the end of the day it really does depend on your usage case, if you’re planning on doing a lot of track days, auto cross, whatever, you’ll probably be better off with the expensive tires, just because of how much longer they’ll last, but if you’re really only in need of a good tire for the occasional canyon run, the cheap boys would probably serve you just fine
@RaymondLo84
Жыл бұрын
Well when you crash it is often 1 inch of difference…
@julien3794
Жыл бұрын
just a drive on rain would give all the credit needed for the 3 time more expensive tyre, and the cheap one certainly heat up so quickly that after one lap it overheat
@chrisquinlan8866
Жыл бұрын
Why are we not talking about the wheel change and the relative unsprung weight change of each?
Props to the camera and editing teams for that last segment, Zach and Adam's laps looked phenomenal.
What I liked most about this series is that it felt like it was just some friends working on their cars. They would show the whole install start to finish and do the tests afterwards. Don't change what made HiLow so great!
@bryanareynolds
Жыл бұрын
It's tires
@jackvv757
Жыл бұрын
Here me out, everyone on yt has a track build, wouldn't hi-lo be better if they did a pimp my ride style build on somthing like lifted trucks, think off all the endless opportunities they would have for mods
@StreamwoodExplorer
Жыл бұрын
@@jackvv757 No. Absolutely not.
@jackvv757
Жыл бұрын
@@StreamwoodExplorer but we already know what's going to happen with the imprezas, it will just be roll cage, suspension, bucket seats ect...
@MrCTFIN
Жыл бұрын
@@jackvv757 I think that Hi-Lo only works when the changes they do can be measured objectively. Pimp My Ride style wouldn't really work if the winner comes down to matter of taste.
That tire width explanation was really simple and easy to understand. I would have never thought of it that way
@3xeplodng_3agle_studios
Жыл бұрын
Would've been better without the suspicious jump cut with different amounts of weights, during the loaded test at- 4:45
@nunyabusiness896
Жыл бұрын
It's also mostly wrong. The samples weren't tested at operating temp (well above ambient temperature for a track tire) and the reason for a wider tire isn't less wear, it's the increase in adhesive forces (like a piece of tape) to grip the ground. You don't really get those adhesive forces below operating temp, but a sticky track tire at the right temp will literally pick up objects. Mike on Bikes did a very applicable video and is one of the few to bring up adhesive forces when talking tires. Simple friction simply does not apply to tire grip and the distribution of load is actually one of the smaller reasons for wider tires.
@lucysmith4242
Жыл бұрын
It's also wrong, Nunya Business has the right Idea. Read Carroll Smith books
@Thebadbeaver9
Жыл бұрын
Its really quite a simple equation, static friction (for the sake of this example the tire operates under static friction conditions when not losing grip - that being said, kinetic friction is the same equation however it is instead an inequality) is equal to the coefficient of friction of the tire times the normal force. Normal force is mass times gravity, or the weight of the car on the tire. The area of the contact patch does NOT directly increase the friction force, as surface area is not a direct component of proportionality in the friction equation.
@ThePower1037
Жыл бұрын
@@nunyabusiness896 Couldn't have said it better myself.
I absolutely love Zestino's Gredge series tyres, never had any problems and they easily outperform to Bridgestone potenza's, switched over 3 years ago and used nothing else since - fantastic tyres, especially for the money
The laughter after James said “this is pretty easy” 😂 thank you all so much (hosts, editors, everyone!) for putting in so much work to make amazing content! You all are the best ❤
For someone that just run track days, I think the $600 tire is a perfectly viable option. Obviously though if you're actually looking for a competitive edge in a time attack series, you're going to want to pay the extra.
@bavarianbanshee
Жыл бұрын
I agree, for someone being more casual, and just having fun with it, the Totino's are a perfectly good option.
@asdatrolley6231
Жыл бұрын
yea definitely especially since u are paying $1000 more for roughly a second faster
@jamesborb4255
Жыл бұрын
Especially if you're still a beginner at track racing. Before you spend money on expensive stuff that will automatically make you faster it will be better to actually learn how go fast with cheap stuff and just your skill, learn the limits of the tires, the brakes, the suspension, the chassis
@TheRealisticTake
Жыл бұрын
Agree, outside if breaking (like panic stops), 1600$ isn't worth the expense for daily street...that said, rain traction hasn't been tested.
@havefun1226
Жыл бұрын
Wel in belgium i got a set of r888r for like 650€ i i think r888r are decent ore am i wrong its for my m140i 18 inch so its not the biggest size
"We're spending your hard earned money on them" 🤣 love it
@TheLightbryte
Жыл бұрын
😆
You see how Nolan smiled when James called him “honey”. Real friends
Possibly the best episode I've ever seen? And I've seen em all. Great content, pacing, editing, vibes, everything was great. Can't wait to see more! 🤙
Guys, I highly recommend you install race-ready oilpans with anti-sloshing tech like windage trays, EJ motors are notorious for oil starving in high G turns, as the oil will pool in one side of the pan/ motor and starve the pickup. Also Air-oil seperators or catch cans will do you wonders for reliability, as there's a lot of crank crase pressure in Subaru's and the oil lowers the octane of the fuel and can causing knocking.
@GoldenRetrevFam
Жыл бұрын
Whoa
@RC_Trailblazers
Жыл бұрын
they already discussed this after the hi car engine blew and they did a diagnostic on it. I'm sure it's in their plans or they already did it and it's not a video worthy since it's not actually changing anything aside from reliability.
The quality of your production is absolutely top shelf. The scrim, the easing on your scale animations, overlays, sound design, the really fun pieces to camera, the energy... love it. My favourite yt channel, hands down.
@bobbihansel
Жыл бұрын
If you guys are ever looking for another senior editor who can work from Australia, hit me up!
@VeryHandsomeAndTall
Жыл бұрын
I agree it’s gone WAY up. I watched some of their old videos that are 2+ years old and they are way different. Super cool to see.
u guys r amazing. the only channel i don’t mind the ads cuz they’re good & hilarious
Both cars being slower might actually be true for some cars with better tires. Stickier tires have more rolling resistance which will add more friction to driving. Also, if your car is not spinning the wheels at launch sticker tires will not make you faster because that would be the only advantage. These are all wheel drive cars so it makes sense how the tires didnt help but hurt the acceleration!
@OldManShoutsAtClouds
Жыл бұрын
It probably has more to do with the new unsprung weight and the driver's wussy launch lol
I just realized that Adam is a great driver, a neutral party in your competition, and speaks very little (on the show). Adam is the Stig of Donut!
@PaulMcElligott
Жыл бұрын
Shop Daddy Stig
@rascal1514
Жыл бұрын
Stignut
@brianverrett
Жыл бұрын
Some say he finds old dinosaur bones and replaces his joints with them...all we know is he's called the Shop Stig
@spawsgoober
Жыл бұрын
now he needs a yellow race helmet
@neuroplasticity
Жыл бұрын
Don't you do Ben like that.
Can we all agree how AWESOME it is to see Nolan being so comfortable in front of the camera now? Especially compared to his first videos!!!
You guys have been knocking it out of the park with these HI/LOW videos. Love them!
Im eager to see the longevity of the tires by the time both cars are finished, cause honestly the wally world tires seem clutch
Thanks donut team for bringing back hi lo again. Love it
@antonioquesada-castro4925
Жыл бұрын
one if the bests car shows, ever...
Best ad of all time was James running in a circle while doing the test absolutely genius
This series is literal gold. It is so much better than almost any actual TV show about cars ive ever seen besides top gear honestly. I am so glad they have blown up in popularity and get the millions of views these videos deserve. Some of the best car content available right now easily.
Amazing editing, super engaging and the camera work was just incredible. The ad read was one of the best Ive ever seen, just congrats
I really love the way that this show is constantly evolving even if its already successful. the filmography and all is awesome.
@jonathanbaxter6254
Жыл бұрын
I was pretty blown away by this one
@milesman2223
Жыл бұрын
I'm gonna be devil's advocate, it's starting to be closer to mid 2000's MTV and I don't enjoy it. I genuinely love the older stuff which was less processed.
Would have loved to also see a wet performance comparison. That's one of the reasons I choose summer tires over all seasons
@smileyguyz
Жыл бұрын
They're in socal, water doesn't exist.
@marioelburro1492
Жыл бұрын
@@smileyguyz would be cool if these test it elsewhere to account for temperature changes and water since we all dont live in dry areas. Would make good content as well
@Idelvion
Жыл бұрын
@@marioelburro1492 yeah for real, I’ve some Federal 595 RS-PRO cause they’re cheaper (and I think are good tires). I live in Italy near the Alps so temperature and wether change very frequently. My tires change a lot due to the temperature. If not worm enough you lose a bit of grip in normal conditions, in wet conditions with low temperature you better stay at home or use another car (absolutely zero grip). I’d love to see a video like you suggested in order to understand if there’s something better without having to buy and try all of them.
excellent test and comparisons guys, love it!
You guys are so silly I love this channel. And I really love how you bring the whole cast in, everybody has such fun personaloties
Their cinematography has gotten so much better over the years it's incredible!
@vidademikey9790
Жыл бұрын
I mean technology in cameras advance every year soooo....
@godzillaxred
Жыл бұрын
@@vidademikey9790 yeah but someone has to actually man the camera haha
@nightwing268
Жыл бұрын
@@vidademikey9790 technology can only get you so far. It's the skills that really make a noticeable difference.
@djscuzzy17
Жыл бұрын
@@vidademikey9790 wasn't talking about the quality of camera or video itself, was talking about their techniques, drone shots, cuts/transitions....... Derrr
I wasn't expecting the little experiment on the table, and it was great! I like these little pieces of science in video like this. Entertainment + some interesting science (or facts) makes the difference between those who just "review" things without any context or explanation. I love these donuts
@thoktrigg3308
Жыл бұрын
I share your opinion
@noncog1
Жыл бұрын
Look into tire load sensitivity for a better understanding though
@oscarchang486
Жыл бұрын
But the tire pieces are dragged differently. The smaller piece had the treads sideways and the larger piece had the treads going the same direction. not the best demonstration imo
@LifeInJambles
Жыл бұрын
The experiment on the table was a little misleading though. On a smooth surface (or mostly smooth, like here) static friction or stiction is your main factor, but on rough asphalt like a race track, the compound deforms into the little voids between the harder rocks, creating a mechanical adhesion, which has much more grip. Doing the experiment in a way that represents that difference would have involved more weight to increase the deformation of the rubber and a significantly bigger force meter. I dunno if they didn't want to bust out for the more expensive equipment, or just didn't know the full picture, but this experiment is definitely missing something. The different wear characteristics and resulting compound changes is totally valid though. That's one of the benefits of wider tires for sure. If you wanna learn more about wider tires being more grippy, HP Academy has a pretty in-depth little interview with a.... michelin? pirelli? engineer that covers the topic of wider tires and compound choice for race days pretty well.
@LifeInJambles
Жыл бұрын
Right, forgot to clarify the takeaway you'd end up with from the more complete experiment: given a rougher surface (representing the asphalt in a race track) and more weight to cause the deformation needed to take advantage (representing the forces a car would put into the tire) a wider contact patch does in fact increase grip because it's not just friction you're dealing with.
love everyone coming together to do their thing to make an episode, lovely watching people be utilized for their expertise
This channel deserves every success they get. Excellent content
Having you both all down at the end of the video to have a good and thorough discussion about cost and performance is missed. Hope y'all get back to doing that. I feel like having a smaller budget and just starting out, the $600 tire choice would be best and work your way up to a more expensive tire afterwards.
@adamgeigerjr6995
Жыл бұрын
right? like the hi car tires are better but $1000 better? no way ...
@NickVetter
Жыл бұрын
@@adamgeigerjr6995 you would have to use both long term because maybe one wear worse.
@adamgeigerjr6995
Жыл бұрын
@@NickVetter get that but kinda crazy that I can get 2 sets of those tires for a track weekend & be just as happy as the guy spending $400 more on one set. idk I just wish they did talk about these things
@NickVetter
Жыл бұрын
@@adamgeigerjr6995 I also wish they explained their thoughts at the end. Racing is expensive and you have to pay for that increase in performance.
I think Hi/Lo is one of the best series Donut Media has right now, very entertaining. And James has found the best way to segue to sponsor without allowing viewers to skip over ;)
Really really good video guys! Loving the new cheap vs expensive series too 🤘🏼🤙🏼
You guys are well on the way to become a legendary motoring channel. Much like the original Top Gear. Heck, even better. The topics, the cinematography, and the personalities. All top notch.
Donut and tires makes me unreasonably happy ❤️
This formula is amazing by the way, having the next segment ready to go as well as a kick ass ad read. Over the years the content has become incredibly high quality and the hard work shows guys keep it up this is my favorite automotive channel on KZread ❤
Love this series
Wider tires sink more heat too so they generally run more consistent as you race longer
These Hi-Low episodes are amazing guys! Thank you all so much! (Especially you James!)
That lateral traction test _slash_ Ebay Motors crossover was brilliant. Thanks Ebay for helping Donut Media to invest millions of dollars in to R&D creating such a technically advanced and innovative test, circles are no joke. 😄
clever way to implement sponsors into the video and keep the audience engaged at the same time
Been watching yall since 2 million and its awesome to see the editing become more and more sohpisticated. At this point, yall could have your own TV show.
The authenticity of all you guys is what makes this show for me, pure content and real feels 🤘🏻😂 love y’all’s videos
I agree this was the best ad placement yet, I watched it all. I think when you building a track car there are few things you can skimp on and others that really need quality. Tires are one of the things that really make a big difference. With that being said there is always the middle of the road options that offer value and quality and offer similar results beyond expensive and cheap.
Production value getting conspicuous. This video was super well made, great editing and camerawork. Luv you guys xo
I guess u learn something everyday. Thanks guys.
Can’t beat these videos - really helps people understand the best path to go down when modifying their cars
Literally the only channel where I don't skip the ad integrations, because they are fun to watch.
We loved this episode. Some customers sat down to watch it with us here at the vape shop. Most of us are car people too so it was fun. Thanks for the video!
This is a really polished production. Interesting, funny, relevant. Well done guys, great to see.
Thoroughly impressed how you guys are STILL stepping up the production and entertainment value each week!
I'm always hyped when they post another video cause the videos are really good
@eymd3067
Жыл бұрын
I like to breathe because it keeps me alive
@chriscrawford3261
Жыл бұрын
I like to walk because it gets me places
@Vixenlive22
Жыл бұрын
I like to eat because it keeps me from starving
@D-Rockk
Жыл бұрын
Hrspr
@SHIZURAKU
Жыл бұрын
I like to drive because it gets me to places
I feel sooo impressed bout this forensic episode. How I wish I can do what u guys do!
3:20 One of the reasons I LOVE this channel is the random nostalgic sound effects. READING RAINBOW!
It would’ve been interesting if Hi-Car’s brakes worked. I would’ve loved to see the combination of the Tein suspension with the yokahomas
@wake777
Жыл бұрын
When I first got my 02 wrx I had the problem lol. New brake pads mostly helped, still need a full new break system though.
Massive shout out to Nowlan! That man is becoming a really good driver. Massive improvements since he joined the channel. Hats off to you sir.
@X88DRAGON
Жыл бұрын
I coudn´t agree more, I bet he could beat most of the guys at my local track day
That was the best ad spot I've seen yet. Good job James, I love you.
Really liked this video compared to past ones it was very bright and fun loving this high car low car series
I would LOVE to see aero being done ( I think it would be funny seeing low team trying to diy underbody aero)
Nolan is like that anime character with the highest potential. Never talks much but is a good mechanic and driver AND HOST.
@sparkedghost
Жыл бұрын
Truly the takumi of donut
Diggin your guys stuff !! Great test
Love the donut challenges on fh5 guys! Please make a drift focused one!
I love the explanation of the tires with the sandpaper test! So informative and at the same time making an entertaining video, killin it guys!
Great video however one of the key factors that I think they should recap on in a future episode is how each tire wears over time because that’s another huge factor in performance tire which justifies an expense difference
@nunyabusiness896
Жыл бұрын
Most likely the more expensive tire will wear more quickly. It's not just about tread depth, either. More track-focused compounds are more sensitive to heat cycling, which means while they grip more initially, they also drop off much more quickly. After a few heat and cool cycles, a set of track tires could have less grip than a set of crappy Chinese off-brand all seasons. IMO pricey tires should only be used for competition or when your car makes so much power it's undrivable without them. Furthermore, lower grip tires are better for learning as people that throw on glue tires to start get overconfident and when they finally get brave enough to overdrive them, they are at dangerous speeds and they haven't trained recovery methods and are more likely to get in a serious crash. The real best thing is to put crappy tires and learn to balance your car at the limit at speeds that won't get you killed, then when you've mastered it you put on the stickies and go be a hero.
@christopherjohnston6343
Жыл бұрын
@@nunyabusiness896 the expensive Tyre looks like the AD09 whereas the cheap one is meant to be a budget 200TW competitor AFAIK. The AD09 is technically not on the same level. It's like a sporty road Tyre rather than a dedicated track day Tyre (that's what the AO52 is for) and should have better overall performance in dry and wet as well as better wear. It may also not need as much heat to work properly
@nunyabusiness896
Жыл бұрын
@@christopherjohnston6343 Not sure where you were checking specs, but according to TireRack the Advan Neova AD09 is a 200 treadwear tire as well, putting them in the same class and is even sold under the "Extreme Performance Summer Tire" category. I can't tell for sure, but I think the Advans were also a wider tire size as well, which makes the comparison somewhat unfair. I also don't agree that the Zestinos don't have a tread pattern for wet conditions, it absolutely looks like a wet/dry pattern, they're not DOT slicks like the AO52. We also aren't really shown if they put effort into getting the tires into the proper heat profile as if they were just doing singular laps on cold tires then that's not in the proper temperature range. Medium-soft track day tires (soft being reserved for full slicks) can easily take two laps to get into full heat, depending on the track temp and frequency of corners. This grinds my gears a bit as I hate it when they do these "cheap vs expensive" shootouts and unfairly stack the deck in favor of the expensive product by doing things like making them a larger size or deliberately (or negligently) not paying attention to ideal tire temps. Not saying the Zestinos would win regardless, as after all it was damn close anyway to the point I'd say the Zestinos are a better buy knowing you'll be trashing these in 5-10k miles tops on the street.
@christopherjohnston6343
Жыл бұрын
@@nunyabusiness896 either way they aren't really like for like. I was going off vibes I got from AD09 marketing material when I wrote my comment. Its just a successor to the Ad08r - so its not meant to be a super extreme tyre. The Zestino actually did fairly well considering the price difference.
@nunyabusiness896
Жыл бұрын
@@christopherjohnston6343 Facts don't care about your vibes, you're wrong and you should stop misinforming people. Never listen to any tire marketing department, they spew all kinds of nonsense, you have to go on pure data and testing.
love the ad read while circling. very well timed
Hi-Lo is honestly the best series on this channel. I would love to see a Hi-Lo Bike edition. 🔥
great video. i’m not sure if it would have a huge impact, but wouldn’t the weight + diameter of the aftermarket wheels also have an impact on the final times of the first test? i feel like the switch from a 15” or 16” stock wheel to a 17” or 18” aftermarket wheel, even with the new tires, could add a little more rotational mass and take a bit more effort to get up to speed. either way, love the series and appreciate greatly all the effort you guys put in!
A great follow up idea would be which tire lasted longer. I'm curious if the Yokohamas would be more durable and if so by how much
@Erteywie
Жыл бұрын
That's what the UTQG Rating is for
@E_tiBEAMERBOY
Жыл бұрын
Guess that would really depend on ones driving Habits
@dudewtf1776
Жыл бұрын
Most high-performance tires in that price range have a very short life. I mean, if you compare it to say, an all-season tire. But, it also depends on your driving style.
Whoever is in charge of the cinematography I have to saw man the timing and switches of angles n stuff have gotten way better it’s really cool to watch
Something to consider, launching an awd turbo car with lots of grip takes a ton of clut h slippage to keep it in boost. Something I learned driving my 91 tsi awd talon. I would basically slip 2/3s of the way through 1st, stock clutches don't much like it, but it launches like a beast
Happy for the crew at Donut for how far you guys come came. Thanks for the entertainment.
Nolan’s driving has improved leaps and bounds over the last 2 years. What a beauty
Man oh man i've been banging my head about the tire width vs traction situation forever. Thank you!!!!!! I always knew patch size did change grip....
James running with the cars doing a lap behind him made me not be bummed to watch an ad. You guys are dope 🤘🏼
I think two things you should have tested that are pretty important as well: 1) wet skid pad, to test wet traction (these are summer performance tires so far as I know), and 2) longevity, a combination of traction wear and aging to dry rot.
A good final comparison would have been to run two sessions of 20 laps each and look at the time degradation as the tires have more heat cycles and also then measure the tread depth. Longevity of the tire is also a significant factor when considering how much to spend on a tire. And were there any problems with the low tire as far as delamination or bubbling from the heat Cycles
@07wrxtr1
Жыл бұрын
I don't think either one of those EJ25's would last 20 laps.... he was already complaining about heat issues with one of the vehicles.... I think they'll inevitably end up in the need for a fully built EJ25 if they continue the series for the longterm - and really - the first thing both of these need is a simple cobb dyno tune to alleviate the inherent stock ecu lean fuel curve issues that plagued those years...
@nunyabusiness896
Жыл бұрын
Usually the life of a tire is less about how expensive and more about how aggressive the compound is. Almost universally for tires of same production year (not 2002 compounds against 2022 compounds, rubber aging aside) a softer, grippier tire will also age more quickly and fall off long before the tread is worn down. This is why tire "mods" are usually a bad idea for a street car, especially one not being regularly used in competition. There's also the fact that track tires usually prefer more heat than they'll get from street driving, so they can actually be more slippery in everyday driving conditions, especially in colder climates. They left out a lot of important info about tires, they really need to get an actual track/race driver on staff as an adviser, way too much bro science in these.
@E_tiBEAMERBOY
Жыл бұрын
Doubt the brakes would hold or the cars engines without dry sump
Awesome demonstration on how grip actually works. Many people don't believe me when I try to explain this to them.
I like the new direction Top Gear is taking. Finally, 3 solid new hosts...
I def like how you ended up testing both tires on the same car with the same drivers, at the end. Way more accurate results!
You added a lot more rotational weight with bigger wheels and tires, that's why they were slower in accelerating.
@highoctanegames
Жыл бұрын
I was always wondering why it was like that sometimes Thanks for explaining
@perkypears
10 ай бұрын
that actually makes a lot of sense, its the same mechanics of starting on a higher gear when you think about it
@dfheezy
3 ай бұрын
Inertia
Glad hi low is back 🔥🔥🔥🔥really cars next
The production quality guys....great job!