A lot of people commenting that the bike is worth more than $600 now are missing the point. This bike is the perfect way to get into cycling and upgrade as you get more funds. Instead of waiting to save $1500+, you can start riding a lot earlier and do the necessary upgrades when you can.

@david78212

4 жыл бұрын

Kevin Montgomery well the bike is $100 more now than his original cost... it’s $699 now, not $599 like when it first came out. Not debating a “good deal” or not, just take into consideration the starting point now.

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Lol, just the one person commenting that so far!

Love the follow up and all the changes over the year to this!

I'd say the general message about this bike is it's "Pretty Good". And for $600-$700 initially, that's all we can ask for. Love the channel Eric!

Things are not designed and built without target market research to minimize risk. Listen closely to what Eric is saying. The cost cut is what's attached to the bike. Use it up or upgrade at the get go paying attention to what matters to YOU. The manufacturer doesn't know YOU . They have to get it out at a price point with some profit yet stand out enough to have a competitive edge. In this case it's the frame set. This is an excellent review /follow up review from a realistic perspective.

@aybee69

4 жыл бұрын

This! I could NOT agree more!

Most realistic "real life" review I have seen in a long time.

By far , the most passionate, detailed and fun Bike KZreadr in here👏

Thanks dude, i ordered the 2020 model for my first bike and this video had all the info i needed! Cant wait to get it and ride around!

@DrPhilYourGap

Жыл бұрын

so i've owned my X for a few years now and mostly ride it on rural roads. I upgraded the seat since the stock one is awful in my opinion could be due to my weight because im a taller bigger guy. I recently switched to compressionless brake housing and what a nightmare routing that through the frame..... it wouldn't even route in the front fork due to how thick / hard the housing is from jagwire i had to tape it to the outside of the frame.. but the rear one was a success after alot of fighting. I upgraded pedals finally the stock ones became too lose after two years and also bought a 45 degree short stem to help with neck fatigue so my bars arent as low or far forward. other than that it has been a great bike!

Outstanding review!!! Thank you. Sold!

I have to thank you for the work and effort put in Thank you!!!!!!! You’re awesome

In my opinion looks like fun. PS, I took a buddy to a small local cyclocross for his first time a month ago and today we went shopping and he came home with a brand new Salsa Warbird. Great day.

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Amazing!

Thank you for this follow-up video. I just pre-ordered the flat bar version for dedicated use as a commuter bike, and I'm happy to hear you are still enjoying the bike, as well as those things you wish would be improved. Great videos!

I have changed many MTBs during the last decade.....but my Kona Jake the snake remains in the garage since 2010.....what an amazing bike....I wish it had brakes too! Great video ! I loved it!

I had so many expensive bikes stolen here in NYC that i bought a $500 Giant Escape hybrid in 2013 for my daily commute, and 7 years later, i still love this thing. I even go on long tours with it. I just added beefier wheels & tires to handle the racks & panniers. Works great. It does it all. Very versatile bike.

@rsmith2658

2 жыл бұрын

Hey, I have a giant escape 3 and my wheels were recently stolen in Boston :/ what wheels and tires did you upgrade to and how are they working out for you?

Congrats on 300 videos

Not a bad price for such a versatile bike!! Thanks for sharing!!

I've pretty much done the same with my Poseidon x upgraded wheels, stem, clipless pedals, tire combos, Shimano cassette, etc. It's been a great bike and hard to come up with a reason to replace it beyond the usual n+1 affliction. I've even noticed the rear seat stays flatten out as they reach the seatpost which probably helps with vibrations. One thing I miss on this bike is a chainstay bridge to help with mounting fenders but oh well I just run a front fender for now until I figure out a solution lol!

Digging the spiced up presenting and editing style.

I so much like your attitude and priorities to frames and pieces haha. If I was living on the American continent I would definitely ride a Poseidon!

I bought the frame and built it up with my own parts for gravel/adventure riding. It sees a lot of single track. The only thing I would ask for is more heel clearance in the back. My shoes have worn off the paint by the rear brake. Otherwise, a damn good ride.

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

This guy gets it!!!!

@johnhinderliter9382

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't be an issue if I didn't have such big-ass feet.

@jtimber5

4 жыл бұрын

Hey John! Would you be able to share the stack and reach numbers for your frame? I’m having a bear of a time getting accurate measurements from the company and would really appreciate some numbers from an owner. Thanks!!!

Some people just miss the point... Turning a budget bike into "the perfect bike" is as much fun as riding the perfect bike.

The frame looks like a good base. And this is what matters the most. I've done the same with my Sequoia base model. Frame has so much potential which is limited by crappy components. The fun begins when you try to upgrade it. This is the whole point of this type of bikes.

Eric thank you for mentioning the quick release matter ^^ I though you forgot! Nice lad!

@QuickQuips

3 жыл бұрын

The Redwood also sold by them is Thru Axle. It's 27.5 tires. And 50% more expensive. www.poseidonbike.com/collections/adventure-bike/products/redwood

Like the editing upgrades

bought this for husband got the thru axle conversion for back and forks for front. He loves this bike, has added roval terra cl, and gossamer pro cranks. he is going to change breaks next.

I've been wanting to get one of these as a second drop bar bike since last summer. They are constantly out of stock on large size, and now the price has increased $100. I still want one! Lol Great video!

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah they do seem to sell them out fairly quick! It’s a good bike!

@edwardvanwormer6993

4 жыл бұрын

@@SpindattI still think it's a good deal at $699. Hopefully they will restock soon.

Excellent. I get your thesis. The bike - as delivered - is an acceptable gateway drug to more serious biking. The fact that Poseidon can deliver any rideable bike at that price point is amazing. And let’s be honest. There is NOTHING wrong with Claris. It works. I wonder, though, will a newbie rider have enough sophistication to understand that the wheels are crap and an upgrade would improve the ride? Would a novice rider be more inclined to put on a shiny new drive train (assuming it would fit) rather than dropping real money on wheels? “Look. My bike has 105!”

@bottomowashington

4 жыл бұрын

i think your right about a newbie rider but this might be alot of peoples second bike. a cheaper one to tinker on and ride in the winter. and i would acctually swap drivetrain as it would allow me to put hydro brakes on wich would be the first thing needed. while wheels do make a massive difference no argument from me there, does it need it? is it a crit bike? id take better brakes and sram apex 11 spd all day, on it at the moment. cheers from BC

@peterbaskind9872

4 жыл бұрын

bottomowashington You may be right; I am wondering aloud. Like you, I’m all about good brakes. While there are some good mechanical disc (like TRP Spyre), hydros are certainly better.

Pretty good seem good enough to me. I don't race, but i tend to keep bikes for a looooong time so frame performance and durability are more important than components. That said, I'm interested in the Redwood with flat bars. Seems a bit more rugged and versatile on or off road.

Solid review on a rig I've never heard of before today. Can you tell me more about the tires? What you thought of the ones that came with, what aftermarket sizes it can accept?

Boy, this bike has kicked up a lot of controversy.

@ceegee6261

3 жыл бұрын

Please explain as I’m interested in getting one and live close to their headquarters. Have seen pretty good reviews and seems to be the only affordable bike I’ve seen during COVID-19.

I've had a cx bike that cost £300 over 4 years ago and it's my favorite bike I can't part with it ride it more than my carbon fibre bike

I have really enjoyed these reviews. I received my Poseidon X this week. I want to use road tires for a lot of the time and keep the gravel tires for specific trails. What tires and wheel combination would you recommend to allow me to switch these out swiftly and effectively! Thanks so much for your help. Love the channel.

I recommend trp spyre brakes they work really well compared to normal mechanical disc brakes

Awesome video and bike dude! What trail are you on in the woods about a quarter of the way through the video? Looks amazing!

This man is truth , fun , good vibes and the answer to an overkill of bike nerds officianados and Tour de France would bees , would be if they head were a lot smaller .... Nice review , yeah £600 what's not to like

Could you PLEASE share the stack and reach numbers for your frame? I can’t seem to get them anywhere (or from anyone). Cheers!

I hope you get to check out and review the new tracklocross frame !

Thank you for really down to earth review. I would like your advise as I am new to gravel but long time mountain bike rider who trying to find more versitaile bike. do you recomend to go with this bike or try other ones like fuji yari? thank you

nice vid, nice bike

Hi, I wonder 2 things: A. Turn to Summer 2022, what will be the updated version of this/ and is it still recommendable? B. lets say we make the budget 750,- to facilitate most of your upgrades - what do you recommend then? Any alternatives? Thanks a million.

Do you have any thoughts on the Microshift group set that comes on the Poseidon X 2020? Is the microshift comparable to the Shimano Claris that comes on the 2019 model? Trying to pick which model year to go with. Thanks.

@thebestever333

3 жыл бұрын

so far people have said it is good. It has all the gears you need so you can climb even the steepest hills. Claris only has 8 speeds and not nearly enough for those steep hills when riding in the mountain

I could only find one thing wrong with this review: He spelled "compliance" wrong. Meaning, these are the kinds of practical, common sense, non-geeky reviews that truly give people a good idea of what it would be like to own this bike. Thank you -- I just ordered one.

@matiasali9236

2 жыл бұрын

i know Im asking randomly but does anyone know a method to log back into an instagram account? I was stupid forgot the password. I would love any tips you can give me.

@grahamfelipe5696

2 жыл бұрын

@Matias Ali instablaster :)

@matiasali9236

2 жыл бұрын

@Graham Felipe thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and im waiting for the hacking stuff now. Takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.

@matiasali9236

2 жыл бұрын

@Graham Felipe it worked and I actually got access to my account again. Im so happy! Thank you so much you really help me out!

@grahamfelipe5696

2 жыл бұрын

@Matias Ali glad I could help :D

I have the older 10 speed sram red group with compact cranks. Would/could you replace the factory one with it? Is it worth it?

That's all I need is, as good. Hell I'm old.

Any idea where I can find 26” tan wall gravel tires?

Would you say this is more of a cx or gravel bike? Can you use it as a cx race bike?

And it's fantastic👍

I’m very new to this gravel world. I did purchase a X and I was just wondering if the rims come with spokes and what size you used. I also didn’t read that to keep the warranty a bike shop was to build it for me well I guess I lost out on that. Thanks for all the great info. You are a big reason I’m riding down this path. Always wanted a gravel bike and now I do and am ready for adventure.

@ocbrakeless

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Justin I work for Poseidon and no your warranty is just fine. While we recommend people unfamiliar with bikes have a bike shop install their bike there is nothing that says if you put your bike together that warranty is voided. Warranty covers manufacturer's defect but no user error with installation or improper use. So if you strip a bolt for example that's not a defect in the product that's likely improper installation. Additionally we handle warranty claims on a case by case basis. Each issue is unique to the person and we want to find the fairest way possible to keep you riding so all you ever have to do is email us and let us know what's going on. I hope that clears things up, your warranty is just as good as it always was. Lifetime warranty on the frame and 1 year on the components. Feel free to email us if you ever have any issues. Thanks!

Get the rear thru axel conversion kit. On the front a full carbon thru axel fork. I;ve done the first half of this.

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

I just saw this exists! Game frigging changer!

@aybee69

4 жыл бұрын

I have the TA kit and found a relatively inexpensive full carbon Rodeo Labs Spork. Can't wait to get it finished!!

Where are you at? Ontario? Feels like I have ridden there..

How much did you spend on all the upgrades

Your link to the schwinn doesn't work anymore

I'm pretty sure that the updated (at least the one available now) has replaceable dropouts to convert to thru axle for the frame. The fork you have to buy yourself. www.poseidonbike.com/collections/components/products/thru-axle-conversion-kit

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

whoa

if Poseidon is as solid as you're saying, you're selling me on that tracklocross frameset. Its the most affordable one on the market that Ive found so far. Soma monstercross, black mountain, Wabi thunder, Squid SO-EZ, Mash, etc all around that 600 dollar mark for a frame.

@josequilez5449

4 жыл бұрын

But all of those frame are gonna be worth every penny at the end of the day if you want enjoyment. Sadly in this industry weight matters. And proper built frames are expensive because proper made tubes are also costly. Plus paint and you got 700 dolars easy invested in each individual frame

@josequilez5449

4 жыл бұрын

Only replying because this industry is expensive. But you get what you pay for. I would rather know my frame builder in person and have to deal with the real world cost of the labor. The bike has 500 dollars worth of pure materal and labor the extra is the price of keeping a builder in buisness

@Max-xl3ml

4 жыл бұрын

@@josequilez5449 I totally agree the frames I listed are all worth the money, personally I prefer steal too (and im happy to pay a premium for good tubes) but most of them are made in southeast asia as well. Im also totally happy to pay a premium for hand made, and especially locally made stuff. But for a backup beater bike I can't justify a build that is gonna equal my current ride. The poseidon is in that range that as a college student I can get into sscx and fixed riding without selling my main whip. Otherwise imma have to stick to that stable of one lifestyle until I'm 30.

@Max-xl3ml

4 жыл бұрын

Oh also I want that high bb clearance for fixed all but the mash and the squid have bb drops in that 65 70 mm range.

@MrJonas2255

4 жыл бұрын

I mean.... you'd have to be a recklessly incompetent manufacturer to build a aluminum "heavy'ish" gravel bike that wasn't solid. Literally every bike made today by pretty much any company is solid, that's not a reason to buy this bike.

It’s funny you mention compliance, other reviewers beat up on a bike because it’s not compliant in the “right” way. And if it’s not the exact weight they think it should be, they mention how “heavy” it is over and over. Like a “budget” bike is supposed to be light in the first place. They make it seem like it should be under a $1,000 and ride just like a $10,000 bike. They’re not at all realistic about what they’re reviewing.

@mshanem80

4 жыл бұрын

Im sorry i read the email wrong no interchangeable fork dropouts..i knew the frame had them though.

Looks like a Planet X London Road one that i have

Does the clear Gorillatape work well as frame protector? I've heard horror-stories about it ruining the paint when you peel it off... Might just be rumours.

@bennettbrookstein6203

Жыл бұрын

I've seen people cut up old tubes and wrap it around frame, then tape it up.

Hey Spindatt, what do you think of the newer Poseidon X’s with Microshift group set? Are they good, would One have to swap it out? Also, is the X a gravel or a cross-bike???

@frankapple4130

2 жыл бұрын

Advent x is awesome

Ok, buy now where can buy It?

Do you have any promo code for this bike? Looks like it is up to $699

I wonder when the X (size XL) Frameset will be back in stock? Everything is sold out...

@heisenbergB58

3 жыл бұрын

Thats almost all thats available this time around lol

You mentioned the brakes... I have Sora mechanical disc brakes, what would you recommend as an upgrade?

@yanncampbell7401

4 жыл бұрын

Trp spyrec

Does this bike work well for Roads too? The area I'm moving to has a mix of road/gravel intermixed trails and I wanna do both.

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely

How many bikes do you own?

👍

C’mon Specialized - cough up those two Diverges already!

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Haha! Specialized won’t touch me with a ten foot poll

@NaeMuckle

4 жыл бұрын

@@Spindatt I feel if you didn't wear a hat indoors they'd treat your with more respect.

This older frame shape is so much better. The new one has that curvy look that ages it a decade. So ugly now. Need to find one of these older ones used somewhere.

Why wait?

How do you find a no name bike like that? I like it. I can do that. I can fix a bike. All I need is a bike work stand.

Wow 45c. That is a big decider cause tires are a cheep swap

@5:45 COMPLIENCE?

No issues with assembly for me kzread.infoUgkxHL1v1R3NE5x4KiYfyt8dnQmyNYz7qi5L but I could see where some might benefit from using an experienced bike assembler/mechanic. I'm an older rider starting back after a 10 year break. This bike exceeds my capabilities and has been easy to get comfortable riding. I'm mostly on easy trails with almost no street riding and have not been disappointed with the performance of the bike. My fitness level is far below what I previously rode with and because of that the mileage is going on the bike slowly. While I'm losing weight slowly, the bike seems to tolerate my 220 pounds just fine. The bike has been used by several family members ranging from 5'5" - 5'9".

I'm not all that into gravel / cross bikes, but I always thought the Poseidon X seemed really solid for the price.

What wheels are you running?

@thechicanoreview6662

2 жыл бұрын

Oh and why 700 c over a 650b conversion?…great content!

i need a shipping to brazil.

Quick release in 2020? On a gravel bike QR is a deal breaker-save your money and get something of quality right off the bat save yourself the headache of “upgrading’’ everything in the long run it adds nothing to the value when it is time to get a new whip..

People sure are missing the point of this 1 year review, aren't they? Oh well, that's how it goes, I guess. I remember my first road bike - heavy aluminum POS. But it was all I could afford with cash. And I absolutely fell in love with cycling because of that bike. Thinking that everyone needs to take out a second mortgage to purchase a $2500+ bike to be a cyclist is asenine. And thank God you didn't review a f&kin "e-bike".... Love the tunes and the vibe of this video 👍👍

@tomar5e115

4 жыл бұрын

What's wrong with ebikes?

So what is the final cost?.. And would a person be better off just get a bike at that final price point.

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Final cost doesn’t really matter, it’s a good frameset that is a blank canvas for anyone to build into what they want! You even get to do it all completely piece by piece and stay riding the whole time

@MrJonas2255

4 жыл бұрын

Unless you're very specific about what components you want and like to do your own work, you would absolutely be better off buying a better bike at the "final cost" price point. Even more, buy it from your local bike shop and build a relationship with them and they'll have your back if something goes wrong.

is that a carbon or steel frame?

I don't think I could ever purchase a 600$ bike and with a few "upgrades" hope to get anything more than 600$ worth of performance out of it..and to put any money into a disc gravel/cross without TA is pure craziness

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Why do you need thru axle?

@samorisa9903

4 жыл бұрын

@@Spindatt It will be very difficult to find a shop in the near future that sells replacement qr wheels and less and less major wheel companies are including adapters..at the shops I've been the qr disc bikes will sit collect dust with thru axle becoming more affordable who would go with qr? It's a superior system for sure..

It's 24lbs new

This bike.... is...a... bike....

I appreciate all presenters have their own style, but I came to learn something about the bike and was disappointed to hear on some basic key metrics “I don’t care about that” so I never learned.

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

I assume you are also looking for the weight of the bike; literally the only thing anyone ever cares about.

Is that frame worth $600 by itself?

@rangers1919

4 жыл бұрын

Personally, I don't think so, but I haven't used it so I could be wrong. You can buy a Surly Straggler for $600 or some pretty nice used frames in good shape for that.

Im just here for the comments. This is gonna be a good one 🍿

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

They have been amazing so far hahahha

@nickpoole9643

4 жыл бұрын

Does it have maximum lateral stiffness but also offer an acceptable level of vertical compliance?

Complience? Did you mean compliance?

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Lol you are now the second corrector of that!

@HansProbs

4 жыл бұрын

Spindatt ha I appreciated your deliberate misspelling of the dumb buzz word of the decade... disdain!

Casey Neistat.

Spelled compliance wrong

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

I noticed that in the edit! Then realized it was okay because someone would correct it in the comments anyway.

@ohshitnotanotherknob

4 жыл бұрын

I would have said "spelt", but that's just me and a good chunk of the English speaking world.

can you donate me a bike? my bike is too small for me and my dad and i are trying to go on a long ride. :(

Piercings hanging out from nose :/

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

Ohhhhh nooooooo!!

It makes no sense to review a $600 bike that you made into a $1800 bike... sure it works great like to built it but that says nothing about how you would have felt about it as a $600 bike.

@Spindatt

4 жыл бұрын

But the point of the bike is to be purchased and slowly upgraded as you please.. the point you seem to have completely missed at the start of the video when I specifically took the time to call you out in advance for making a comment I knew you were going to do! Very Meta!

@chocolate101203

4 жыл бұрын

He also already did a review of the bike when it was fresh out of the box.

@Ming3r

4 жыл бұрын

I think you missed this: kzread.info/dash/bejne/emucs8txfMiniKg.html

@Sills71

4 жыл бұрын

@@Spindatt Pointing out the incongruity ahead of time does nothing to lessen the incongruity. You did NOT review a $600 bike, you reviewed a bike you bought for $600 and changed everything but the frameset.

@Sills71

4 жыл бұрын

@@chocolate101203 Which says NOTHING about how the original bike would have worked after a year. This is NOT a review of a $600 bike.