The strangest side effect of starting this channel must be that David now is forced to have an encyclopedic knowledge of Beatles and Eagles cover bands.

@shyman99

Ай бұрын

Annoying, isn't it? Makes me never want to purchase a Beatles or Eagles recording ever again.

@tbird81

Ай бұрын

Beatles were always arrogant. Chapman got the worst of them. But Paul McCartney is such a greedy man.

@emilyrln

Ай бұрын

Don't forget Coldplay

@shyman99

Ай бұрын

@@emilyrln - easy to forget Coldplay

@wjackter

Ай бұрын

I thought they both sold their catalogs so it's not the bands doing this

8:10 if the beatles had written it without the beat, they'd just be les.

@auldthymer

Ай бұрын

Did you know: in France they called Les Paul "The Paul."

@tehroflzcrisp

Ай бұрын

this got me. underrated comment.

@gorgolyt

Ай бұрын

Congrats you just understood why they called themselves the Beatles.

@cliffhughes6010

Ай бұрын

​@@auldthymerBut Les is plural, so it should be "The Pauls".

@cakemartyr5794

Ай бұрын

@@auldthymer So that would mean in the written form, they would write "Les Pauls" in order that the plural agrees?? :-)

Never been confused by the Misty Mountain Hop into. However, the drum intro to Rock & Roll by Led Zep gets me every time.

@Bikerboythousand

29 күн бұрын

Same here and i play drums :D

@dctbass

29 күн бұрын

Isn't that the one where the drums and the guitars are in different time signatures, but sync on the 12th beat......or something!? 🤣

@loukabarone

29 күн бұрын

Right? We know it's coming and we still fall for it

@loukabarone

29 күн бұрын

​@@dctbassthat's Kashmir, I think. They love pulling one over us like that

@chimploaf

29 күн бұрын

Bonham starts Rock and Roll on the & of 3 , so the 4th hit is the 1.

I never felt Misty Mountain hop was confusing, that guitar riff makes it clear

@john-vincentsaddic6335

Ай бұрын

Yeah I thought the same thing, his counting hurt my ears haha, he did the same thing a couple years ago with Hendrix’s All Along the Watchtower

@dbohnenberger

Ай бұрын

@@john-vincentsaddic6335 The counting did seem forced, or maybe I have just heard the song so many times that it seems natural to me? I KNOW when the drum is coming in.

@spencerleo5126

27 күн бұрын

Nah that’s just individual. I’ve always tripped up on misty mountain hop. Always comes to mind when I think of misleading beats. But some people just never felt it was misleading. Completely disagree that the guitar riff makes anything clear by itself.

@spencerleo5126

27 күн бұрын

Probably because a lot of people assume the first note starts on the 1, they are mislead when it’s actually on the 4and

@TheAngelsHaveThePhoneBox

16 күн бұрын

I thought I wasn't confused because my counting lined up with the beat later but I just played the beginning of the song about 20 times trying to count and trying to observe how I count it and finally came to conclusion that I start it just as wrong as David but once the drums start, I subconsciously shift the counting by the eighth note without even noticing. As for the All Along the Watchtower case, I remember very well that discussion how a lot of people got it correctly from the beginning. Here I'm completely on David's side, I tried like really hard to count it the right way, but even after I figured out exactly which note is the first beat and trying to count from there, I just physically couldn't. There's too much confusion. However, I can't understand, how David can hear Hold the Line as being in 4/4. The groups of three are accented, at least on the original recording (can't really hear it on this cover version), so the 12/8 rhythm is clear... but I still start on the wrong 8th, so I do get confused, just not for the same reason.

I suspect the reason why Hall and Oates start the song differently when playing live is to avoid the audience clapping out of time!

@grunions9648

Ай бұрын

I'd bet money on it

@KuzinRob

Ай бұрын

They went to the Harry Connick Jr. School of crowd participation.

@vjmacintyre

Ай бұрын

..or the live band screwing it up.. the Toto song seems like 6/8 to me

@jitsukerr

Ай бұрын

@@vjmacintyre I've arranged Hold The Line, and I hear it in 6/8 too, but 6/8 & 3/4 metrical games are my favourite kind of rhythmic gesture (like in Ravel's Chanson Romanesque or Bernstein's America). The difference between 6/8 and 12/8 largely depends on tempo, IMO, and Hold The Line isn't fast enough to need to feel a 12/8 pulse in 2 6s rather than 4 3s, at least for me.

@BossNotes

Ай бұрын

I DON’T know much about hall & oats , but when I was a young’n I threw A-LOT of CORN in my day !

Waiting for the next time 'Hold the Line' comes on the pub jukebox, so I can rub my chin sagely, then nod, and say: "Ah, yes...a polymetric shift is required."

@DavidBennettPiano

Ай бұрын

😂

@stephenhall3697

Ай бұрын

@@DavidBennettPiano Jeff Porcaro (on drums - of course) plays this as a shuffle, so the beat is in 4 triplets per bar, so effectively 12/8 or 12/4; but the chord change is off beat and is at the last of the triplets, hence giving unexpected feeling because it jumps a moment too early.

@MaggaraMarine

Ай бұрын

I have never found the intro confusing, so I don't naturally hear any kind of a "polymetric shift" happening there.

@samstevens6544

Ай бұрын

I’ve been wanting a video on this for ages. Hold the line has always been a mystery for me (and a great song!)

@riseofdarkleela

Ай бұрын

My band used to play this song and I recall working on the intro for most of a rehearsal. As a singer, I never really understood what was going on there, and then I learned to write music a couple of years ago and watching this channel and it’s starting to make sense to me.

Tell Me Something Good- Rufus Lonely Boy- Andrew Gold Beautiful Girls- Van Halen Stairway to Heaven (middle breakdown section)- Led Zeppelin The king of all will always be Black Dog- Led Zeppelin No song ever again will be so accessible while being so rhythmically confusing. It’s really miraculous if you think about it. Most songs eventually “square up” in a listener’s head and make sense, whereas Black Dog constantly hides the “one” but for some reason nobody seems to care.

@TimothyReeves

Ай бұрын

I came to say Lonely boy by Andrew Gold also. It's one of my favorite songs from the 1970s.

@tomfritzsch1928

Ай бұрын

@@TimothyReeves Same here! Lonely Boy always messes with my brain till the verse kicks in.

@buckland55

28 күн бұрын

@@tomfritzsch1928 I thought it was just me!

@Schlemiel-schlimazel

25 күн бұрын

Lonely boy has driven me crazy my whole life!

@stevesheroan4131

25 күн бұрын

@@Schlemiel-schlimazel I’ve known that it starts on the “and” of one forever, but I just can’t hear it right until about halfway through the first verse.

That intro to "Drive My Car" always drove me nuts.

@richardfranklinmorse

Ай бұрын

They’d never have been able to play it live, it was probably a tape splice

@brucetowell3432

Ай бұрын

@@richardfranklinmorse Paul plays it live in his shows all the time.

Just What I Needed - The Cars Rock 'n Roll - Led Zeppelin - Greg Bissonnette does a good explanation.

@dylanlenn7836

Ай бұрын

Just What I Needed is great for this

@dwc1964

Ай бұрын

Ah yes, very good. I just mentioned "Since You're Gone" which messes around with it again at the end

@mightyV444

Ай бұрын

​@@dwc1964 - Their 'Touch And Go' is another great example! 😅

@k2peek

Ай бұрын

I see your Rock 'n Roll - Led Zeppelin, and raise you one Black Dog - Led Zeppelin.

@racerdeth

Ай бұрын

Funny, I've never got that with Just What I Needed. Always heard that first BAH on the "and" of the 4 EDIT - on the 4 not the "and" - misremembered how it went.

Spirits in the Material World still gets me every time, as even when Sting sings the first verse you think you’ve got it, and then the chorus kicks in and boom! - you’re completely off.

@urluberlu2777

Ай бұрын

it's so weird, even at Stewart Copeland finds it challenging!

@jonashormann5700

Ай бұрын

First song that came to mind for me as well. Even in video's where Stewart explains it I don't fully get it.

@marijohanna3637

Ай бұрын

I listened to it and got it right, never hearing it before. It must be something in the brain that some people have and some don't.

@mightyV444

Ай бұрын

It sure _is_ a tricky one, also because of the pause that follows on the '1' beat 😅 But as soon as I got the info that the intro starts on the '3' beat, I did have it sussed with my mind, too! 😊👍

@Fuzcapp

Ай бұрын

Yeah that's a great example.

Another interesting one is “A passage through Bankok” by Rush starts with a syncopated bass line that is easy to misinterpret as the downbeat. It’s not until the drums come in that the real down beat is clear. Rush has lots of examples of weird time signature stuff that could fit with many of David’s videos.

@edbernardmusic3599

Ай бұрын

A Passage to Bangkok starts with guitar.

One song not mentioned here is "Honky Tonk Women" by The Rolling Stones. That opening cowbell throws me every time.

@Berniewahlbrinck

8 күн бұрын

Yesss!

I'm thinking of Pink Floyd's "Money". I _always_ hear the opening cha-ching and change in free time, then start counting when the sound effects start their regular 7/4 beat after that. But then a couple measures in, the music starts on beat _3_ of what I _thought_ I'd been counting, and counts its 7/4 from _there,_ shifting the rhythm over. ...All while the sound effects don't break their stride. Excellent video as ever! ❤

@dohanddonuts5716

Ай бұрын

It's crazy how it goes for 7/4 for three measures, then 2/4 for 1 measure, then back to 7/4. Thank God David Gilmours solo is in 4/4.

@mayorb3366

Ай бұрын

That's the most common song I use to explain "mixed meter" (as it used to be called) to people. Everyone knows "Money".

@dohanddonuts5716

Ай бұрын

@mayorb3366 Soundgarden Spoonman goes back and forced between 4/4 and 7/4 . Nine Nails Nails March of the Pigs is in 7/8 and 4/4. How are you suppose to headbang to that?

@mayorb3366

Ай бұрын

@@dohanddonuts5716 LOL! Gotta be careful. You don't want to get out of sync with a nearby headbanger!! It could end badly!

@charlienyc1

12 күн бұрын

​@@dohanddonuts5716Rumor has ut Gilmour couldn't solo in 7. Meanwhile Dick Parry had no trouble 🎷.

The Beach Boys’ “Caroline, No” is the one that trips me up every time, personally. The first tambourine hit make me think that’s the 1, when it’s really the 8 (or 4-and). I have gotten used to this, and now I imagine the intro is in 9/4 to make it easier for myself.

Daft Punk - Veridis Quo It's so satisfying to hear the transition.

@donc8423

10 күн бұрын

Fr, it took me so long to be able to catch the beat in that song.

“Making Plans for Nigel” by XTC is probably the one that always trips me up the most…the drum intro starts on the 1 but doesn’t feel like it at all, then when the guitar comes in you get confused, and THEN when the vocals come in you finally figure out the rhythm.

That's weird because I've always felt "Hold The Line" the "correct" way. It's fascinating how we differently perceive tempo

@griffinnovie4921

Ай бұрын

I've never had a problem with it either! Seems like a lot of people don't have 12/8 entrained!

@ugnaught878

Ай бұрын

Same here. Not an expert, but I think one could make the argument that it actually is in 4/4 and the beats are just subdivided into triplets…

@griffinnovie4921

Ай бұрын

@@ugnaught878 yes, exactly!

@BlueBoboDoo100

Ай бұрын

Me too and I think it's entirely because of the snare hit before the keys. If you're counting it in 4/4 the snare is on the 4, setting up the keys to start on 1

@Micjal100

Ай бұрын

Same with the hall and Oates one, I had to watch it a couple of times to understand how it can be counted wrong😅

All Along the Watchtower, Hendrix version So much of what’s going in the intro serves to confuse the listener. The guitar chords change on the 4-and. The crash on the 4-and going into the main groove before the drum snares on every beat. Its truly a masterclass in where’s the 1.

@elgerardoedwardio2498

28 күн бұрын

Absolutely on that song, it sounds like Hendrix just comes in at a random time...

@alexissongsforyou

8 күн бұрын

Absolutely! I've spent a lot of time on that song intro, pretty sure I never figured it out!

It's funny I've never struggled to pick up on Hold The Line. But after hearing this analysis, I can definitely hear why many do! Also I remember at one point constantly restarting You Make My Dreams to try to figure out what beat it actually started on!

Kings of Convenience "I Don't Know What I Can Save You From." Listened to that song for decades and still gets me every time unless I focus on starting my count from two.

This guy deserves 1 million subscribers, his content is so high quality.

@13donstalos

Ай бұрын

This year I bet

@b00ts4ndc4ts

Ай бұрын

Is this how we measure things now?

@douglaspantz

Ай бұрын

he’s heading that way

@Grillbert

Ай бұрын

@@b00ts4ndc4ts it's youtube

The worst one for me is Yours Is No Disgrace by Yes. My inner timekeeper has been hearing it wrong for 50 years and still insists that the fourth beat is the first one, even though I know perfectly well that it isn't!

@brucetowell3432

Ай бұрын

Yes , did this all time especially with "Close To the Edge"....always loved their originality!!!

@michaelanthony9068

Ай бұрын

Right on for YES !

@brucetowell3432

29 күн бұрын

@@michaelanthony9068 Their music was and still is top shelf, but trying to transcribe and break it down would be living in a nightmare;-)

The Cars - Just what i needed intro always throws me off!

@infindebula

9 күн бұрын

Then don't listen to "Touch And Go"! (TBF that song uses polymeters)

I'm dating myself, but the 70s Disco era one-hit wonder 'Car Wash' has a tricky off-beat intro of hand claps and wah-wah guitar. The intro builds tension and anticipation, and when the song starts and everything lands on the downbeat, it just seems to make the song groove harder.

Radiohead: Videotape Radiohead: Let Down The Stills: Panic - that bass note not being on the downbeat always fucks with my head.

@antoineroche2073

Ай бұрын

Radiohead: Identikit

@nyaKona

Ай бұрын

let down is so underrated

@madeline_from_celeste_real

Ай бұрын

I’d actually say Pyramid Song, I had to look up a video just to know the time signature, and it’s still hard after you know everything

@ClownWorldOrder

Ай бұрын

How is Let Down confusing?

@jackthesmoltangerine

Ай бұрын

@@ClownWorldOrder The guitar riff is in 5/8

Where the drums come in on Everybody Wants to Rule The World by Tears for Fears. I’m a drummer and it’s still an interesting counting job. That and Manny Elias playing hi-hat on the middle note of each triplet grouping!

@danchernowmusicandtranscri2112

Ай бұрын

I made a short tutorial on that intro a few years ago if you're interested: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fn52rcRvZKqqYpc.html

@dedaelus

Ай бұрын

Aaaah great example

Another great example of this is the intro to “Minute by Minute” by the Doobie bros…the organ intro sounds like a quick 4/4, but when the drums kick in, it’s clearly a more laid-back 12/8. Great vid!

@LubaFan

Ай бұрын

Michael McDonald explains it on Rick Beato's channel.

Automatic Stop by the Strokes comes to mind!

@parkercrawford6483

28 күн бұрын

literally came to comment this, it’s so weird

@scottygordon3280

10 күн бұрын

I think that’s another case like “She’s a Woman”…thinking the guitar is on the 1 when it’s actually on the 2

@AblemanSy

9 күн бұрын

@@scottygordon3280 Yes, absolutely!

It's adorable how excited he sounds when he's counting the beats, like almost breaking character

Completely agree about the intro on ‘Drive my car’, I’m a drummer myself and have never been able to make sense of it - thanks for explaining!!

@gorgolyt

Ай бұрын

IMO there is a bar of 9/8, if anything. The intro riff is basically in free time. It's not intended to be felt in 4/4, it makes no musical sense like that.

@brenthooton3412

Ай бұрын

Even when hearing the count-in to Drive My Car, I still hear the song start on 1.

@AaronOfMpls

Ай бұрын

@@gorgolyt To me it feels kinda like starting up the car -- the starter just turning freely until the engine kicks into its normal rhythm. 😎

@jcarty123

Ай бұрын

Paul, who btw wrote & played it (not George), alays counts it in as 4/4, from "And-of-4". It makes perfect sense, it couldn't be more 4/4. You can train yourself to do it. Once you make the jump, you don't go back. Rolf Maibaum has a good lesson video, & gordrum has the Beatle track with 4/4 count-in.

@gorgolyt

Ай бұрын

​@@jcarty123 "couldn't be more 4/4" lmao Of course Paul counts it in, the band needs to play in sync. That doesn't make it 4/4. The fact you have to "train yourself to do it" proves the whole point.

'Keep It Dark' by Genesis is incredible in this regard. There are no words for the feeling when the band kicks in and you realize you have been feeling the beat COMPLETELY wrong! Plus it's in 6/4 for extra coolness.

@user-ez3sj8hm8i

Ай бұрын

Oh, yes!

@as2011

15 күн бұрын

Yes thats true. I also get confused by the intros of Home by the sea and Man on the Corner

David, don't overlook the possibility that beat placement may be altered by the tin ear of a producer. I was doing a lead sheet for a full orchestra on a film score once, and found a 1/8 bar in the middle. Odd, but not impossible. But when the producer saw that, he called me and said that no such bar existed, so I played him the recording and we listened very carefully. We came to the conclusion that the extra 1/8 bar was an artifact of tape splicing by an engineer, putting together 2 separate takes. The engineer was apparently unaware what he was doing to the rhythm!

musicians trolling on people who count the beat

This happens in a bunch of modern songs too - I had a list at one point, but the one I remember most is : Citizen Cope - Son's Gonna Rise

The Beatles intro to "I Want To Hold Your Hand" always throw's me off when the singing comes in.

There's also Does Anybody Really Know What Time It Is? by Chicago. First the piano solo, which has no time signature at all. Then the band starts on the upbeat of 1, has 2 three-bar phrases, then jumps into 5/8 for a few bars, tosses in one bar of 6/8, and finally back to 4/4

@charlienyc1

12 күн бұрын

Ya gotta love Chicago for that and their ability to cross over genres.

Number City by Coheed and Cambria - I love how the drums coming in completely changes the feel of the bass intro riff

So pleased you did Misty Mountain Hop. As a drummer I always knew it was odd but never tried seriously to figure it out until I 'got it' just a couple of weeks ago. To add to the confusion, Bonham's drum intro starts on the 'and' of one. (It's snare-kick-kick-tom-tom, with the timing: and-two-and-three--four.)

Thankyou. I've been struggling playing the intro of "take it easy" on guitar, and FINALLY I know why!!!

The start of the middle part of Supertramp's "Crime of the Century", constantly fools me.

@clausappel8086

Ай бұрын

Oh yes. But once you have realized that the piano riff starts with an 8th pause it's actually very easy. Same as the main motif in Beethoven's 5th symphony.

@mightyV444

Ай бұрын

The quiet middle part in 'School' had done the same to _me_ when I'd heard it the first few times 😅

One confusing intro is very famous. The beginning of Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. First, it's in 2/4, a time signature not very common in classical music. But the famous notes start on the "and" of 1. The piece actually starts with an eighth note rest. I have a screen shot, but I don't know how to attach it in a KZread comment.

@MaggaraMarine

Ай бұрын

2/4 is pretty common in classical. It's not very common in modern music, though. I think it's best to think the first three notes as a pickup, and the long note as the downbeat. So, it's a three-note pickup and then a long note on the beat.

A couple of others that I haven't seen mentioned yet (granted, I didn't look at all 1300+ comments) are Christine 16 from KISS and American Gigolo from Weezer. I play drums in tributes to both bands, and Christine 16 is easy to come in as long as I count off 1, 2, 3, 4 and the band comes in on the & of 4, but American Gigolo, I play the drum intro for 4 measures before the band comes in. So for it to make sense in my head, I've got to sing the melody in my head for a couple of bars before starting the drum intro. It took me WAY longer than I care to admit to figure that one out!

"Stick it Out" by Rush has a riff that sounds like it begins on a downbeat, but then is later revealed to start on an offbeat. Very cool effect.

Some time ago, I trained myself to hear most of these correctly. Hearing them counted incorrectly was torture :)

Hold the Line is really easy to count if you organize the piano stabs as triplets (or sextuplets), each one being a beat of your regular 4/4

@allthatchas

Ай бұрын

Actually, that's what he does when counting 'correctly'. He counts to 4, not to 12.

@tomstrat1951

Ай бұрын

Exactly

Skunk Anansie - Twisted: begins with an isolated bassline that sounds like it's on the beat until the drums come in, and then you realise the bass is on the offbeat. Paul Weller - Into Tomorrow: I always hear the intro guitar on the one, but when the drums come in it's actually starts on the & before the 2. Go to the end of the first chorus where the riff repeats to hear where it really sits in the beat.

I've heard of this referred to as "metric ambiguity", and it's one of my favorite musical devices. A lot of the time once I hear the correct pulse, I can't hear the wrong one anymore. There's two examples that get me nearly every time though, Wolf Parade's "it's a curse" right at the intro, and spaceghostpurrp's "been fweago" which happens about halfway through the song. The spaceghostpurrp one I swear I will NEVER hear it correctly before the beat actually drops.

Start me up - Rolling Stones. Gets me every time

@ric8248

Ай бұрын

Me too. But that is due to Charlie Watts' elegant drumming.

@mightyV444

Ай бұрын

​@@ric8248 - I may be wrong, but I suspect Charlie himself was a bit confused during the intro! 😅

@whiskeywolfgang

Ай бұрын

On "Honky Tonk Women" Charlie's playing with the cowbell is really confused 😂

@Wygruce

Ай бұрын

Came here to say this!

@igorszamaszow171

Ай бұрын

@@whiskeywolfgangIt's Jimmy Miller who's playing the cowbell part

the intro to good vibrations by the beach boys confuses me a bit, because it sounds like there is a missing beat in the third line, but the first line actually has 5 beats which makes it sound kinda strange, but in a good way. Brian Wilson is the goat

I've never had difficulty with immediately "getting into the pocket" with songs. But watching this, I can understand the difficulty some people have with tempo. Like syncopation, I've seen people try to write it out, which just makes it more confusing. It IS all just feel.

Most of these are pretty easy because you can hear the accents, and if you know that 2 and 4 are accented you'll get it. It's also very helpful if you already know how the phrases fit into the bar, even if you can't hear the downbeat during the introduction.

Beetlebum by Blur. It's the perfect example of this kind of thing. And they do it repeatedly, so it's intentional.

The most confusing intro to me is still "I want to hold your hand". I've been told it starts on the "3-and" but I never managed to count and land on the 1 with the singing.

@localbod

Ай бұрын

If you just count 1-2-3 duh-duh-duh, etc .. But you need to keep in mind that the vocal intro "Oh, yeah" is on 3-4, and the "I" is on the 1 beat of the next bar. I hope that helps. 👍

@pastorandreaswendt

29 күн бұрын

@@localbod Yes, the Oh Yeah on 3 + 4 plus the I on the 1 were always clear. Just when I count in like that I never reach the 3 on the Oh. Probably my fault, but I'd just like to see a counter on the whole intro to get where I was thrown out.

Yellow Jackets-Top Secret. When I first heard this song, it sounded like Robin Ford was playing the opening guitar riff triplets beginning on the downbeat. Then when the bass guitar and drum fills began to trickle in, it sounded like they were not on the same page. However, once the keys come in with the melody, you realize that the tempo is in a much slower 4/4 time. Brilliant.

If you want an example of an intro that has a fiendishly difficult to hear downbeat and that's extremely hard to count along to, listen to 'Murder By Numbers' by The Police. That is a monster. I still marvel at how they were able to pull it off, and so effortlessly.

I felt an inordinate sense of accomplishment after teaching myself to count along with the intro to Drive My Car. And the most confusing intro to a song I've ever heard is "The Impression That I Get" by The Mighty Mighty Bosstones. It's in straight cut time and the guitar part (which introduces the song) even begins on the downbeat. But the extreme syncopation between muted notes and open chords, first cymbal crash on the offbeat, and that weird horn melody make it extremely disorienting even after the drums come in. it's like Take It Easy on steroids.

@lYl93

Ай бұрын

I cant understand this video more than his counting sounded not in sync. I listen to the boss tones song and it sounded normal to me. But I wouldn’t be able to play along at the start.

@ledkicker2392

Ай бұрын

For me such confusion is caused by "3s & 7s" by QOTSA. Is the downbeat on the 1sf guitar riff, on the 2nd guitar riff, or the bass riff? It's not helping that it starts with just a guitar, then there's a pause which I don't know how to count, and then a new riff with also ambiguous drums.

I have always heard the opening vocal line of Queen's _Bohemian Rhapsody_ as syncopated: "(rest) Is this the real life" is three eighth notes after a sixteenth rest (!) at the start, then 'real' is a four-sixteenth note beginning a sixteenth before beat 3, with 'life' a five-sixteenths duration beginning a sixteenth before beat 4. The second line "(rest) Is this just fantasy?" is similar, then there is a full eighth rest (in a 5/4 bar) before "(pause) caught in a landslide, no es-...." then another 5/4 bar for "-cape from reality." When the piano enters on "open your eyes" in the next line, we're back to starting on the downbeat and back in 4/4. Never seen it notated this way, but having heard it hundreds of times, it seems intuitively right to me that the first two lines and the second two lines do NOT start on the downbeat, even though that is usually how it is (lazily, I think) notated.

@MaggaraMarine

Ай бұрын

The intro is actually in 9/8. "Is this the real life" and "is this just fantasy" both start on the downbeat. Same thing with "caught in a landslide" and "no esCAPE from reality" (where the syllable "cape" lands on the downbeat). Compare this to "I'm just a poor boy" and "I need no sympathy" (that are clearly in 4/4). It's the same exact rhythm all the time, but in the first four bars, one of the beats is extended by an 8th note. I find it easiest to count as 3+2+2+2. Try it yourself. All of the transcriptions I have seen notate it inaccurately. (BTW, this is not my discovery. Someone in r/musictheory figured this out and posted a thread about it. I first thought it was BS, but after trying it, it made perfect sense.)

Another great example is "Sex on Fire" by Kings of Leon. The anacrusis without drums doesn't let you know where the down beat really is.

i've actually never been confused by the intros to any of these. The one that I couldn't wrap my brain around for years was Since You're Gone by The Cars. Those upbeats threw me off every time.

One of my favorite confusing intros is Bone Machine by The Pixies. The drums actually start on the 1, but the drumbeat itself sounds so much like the 4-beat is the 1-beat. They keep this strange beat throughout the whole song, which gives it a unique wonky feel.

@luke5100

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the snare hit on the one. Herky jerky in the best way

Murder by Numbers from The Police has one of the hardest beat to figure out, this time starting with just the drums. Hats off to Stewart Copeland!

@luigiscazzari4724

Ай бұрын

Copeland is a drum genius

@localbod

Ай бұрын

Or even hi-hats off to him. 😉 He is truly one of the greats and so idiosyncratic and identifiable.

Great video!! You gotta make this a format. So many good examples of this i actually made a whole playlist with songs like this with a friend in music school

You Really Got Me. Until the drums come in, I hear the riff as if they’re playing a different phrasing, but they’re not. Before drums, my ear hears the first chord on beat 1. But once drums start it’s apparent that it starts on the 4-and.

We're the same kind of weird, I've spent so much time listening to the start of most of these songs trying to feel the time properly.

The song I thought of immediately was Rock and Roll by Led Zep. Edit: You included that in your first video.

Brilliant. Never ever thought about it before but once you showed us I could completely get your point. Well done!

@DavidBennettPiano

Ай бұрын

Thanks 😊

Im loving this video, truly, please do a full series of it🙌🏻

@DavidBennettPiano

Ай бұрын

Will do!

Hell's Bells is another example. Breakdown by Tom Petty and Burnin for You by BOC are two examples of songs that start on the 4th beat, like anacrusis but they are fully stressed.

Duchess by Genesis always gets me. It has a REALLY long intro that really establishes the wrong beat in my head; then I get completely thrown off when the drums kick in.

I always counted Hold the Line correctly. It felt right.

Great post! There are several like this which most probably don’t even notice. I see that Spirits in the Material World was mentioned but we also have Andrew Gold’s Lonely Boy, Jimi Hendrix’s All Along the Watchtower, and Semisonic’s Singing In My Sleep are a few more.

RE: DRIVE MY CAR: Oh my gawd, THANK YOU!! I gave up years ago asking other musicians (and better ones than me!!) how the hell that's counted. Nobody ever got it right. THANKS, DAVID!

@hairpig

Ай бұрын

Honestly it's so unintuitive it feels to me like they got it wrong in the studio and just left it that way. It's the only one of these examples that I can't hear correctly even after it's explained and I go back to re-listen.

@BuzzcutGtr

Ай бұрын

@@hairpig It's hard, man, once you've "heard" it wrong for years on end! To this day, I still hear "Girl U Want" by Devo and my ears try to come in on 4, even though my brain knows darn well it starts on 1.

@dukeofcurls3183

Ай бұрын

@@hairpig nope, i believe it was intended to be the way it is on the recording, and this is supposedly reflected in his live performances of the song as well

I paused after the intro and tried to guess what songs would be mentioned. I am proud to say I guessed Take It Easy and Drive My Car. The only one that I've never felt "out of time" with when listening to is Hold the Line.

@jcarty123

Ай бұрын

Agree - There has never been one moment of my life where I didn't hear it as triplets.

"Everybody's Got Something To Hide Except Me And My Monkey"!

@prettyshinyspaghetti8332

Ай бұрын

I thought the same song, but I have a theory that the intro to that song was edited onto the basic track, and the funny timing during the first verse was just the band naturally falling out of time with each other before settling back into the groove. But thats just me

@jackthesmoltangerine

Ай бұрын

He already talked about this one lol

@RonTheFlyingDutchman

Ай бұрын

Checked if someone else was already mentioning this one and yes it was already mentioned.

Brilliant and Fascinating, David! Especially how well ‘She’s A Woman’ really works for that Beatles song. I even like to try the HD Piano site or app because it looks very well laid out 😊

@DavidBennettPiano

Ай бұрын

Thank you 😊

It's a real shame that you always miss "Money Talks" by The Alan Parsons Project, one of my favorite songs with rhythmicly consufing intro, who nearly confuses the listener 2 times in only 2 bars. BTW a very great song by a criminally underrated band.

@fktheus9099

Ай бұрын

Exactly

@SecretAgentPaul

Ай бұрын

Limelight, Vulture Culture & Separate Lives also have intros that throw you off at first.

"I'm Free" by The Who always throws me off. I have to really fight to count it right.

@alk61695

Ай бұрын

Same.

@mightyV444

Ай бұрын

Great example! 😀👍

@coordinatezero

Ай бұрын

Beat me to it! Another case of a song starting on the "and" of 4... It sounds like it should be similar to the start of, say, "Smoke on the Water" but it's really the 8th note *before* that. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dpyWqs1-ncnWgKg.html

Interestingly enough, after I found out the correct beat for Misty Mountain Hop, my brain was able to naturally latch onto that beat.

@MaggaraMarine

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the same happened to me with all of the songs, except for Drive My Car. That's actually still confusing, even after I know how it goes. I guess the difference between the other songs and Drive My Car is that the other songs have a repeating riff that is also played over the drum beat, so it's easy to imagine the drum beat over the intro.

Great video. Glory Days by Bruce Springsteen popped up on the radio, and I naturally went back into counting the first note as the downbeat 😂

@djijspeakerguy4628

29 күн бұрын

This is the top one for me. Intro to this song confuses me every time without fail.

I do the same thing with the intro to Chalkdust Torture by Phish. I have been listening to it for decades and I just can’t unhear it!

The Who - I’m Free The Rolling Stones - Street Fighting Man These are two of my favourite examples of confusing intros. Also, Start Me Up always lets me down when I try to count it (I even heard that it’s Charlie covering up his own mistake while recording; idk if it’s true)

Another Example is Stolen Dance by Milky Chance. The pulse at the start is offbeat, but we dont know until the other instruments come in.

@chobies5383

Ай бұрын

The fact they made the song name rhyme with their band name

One thing that's interesting to me as a dancer is that for dances like Cha-cha, the down beat is specifically the second beat of a measure. Every team I've been on counted it out something along the lines of "1. *2!* 3. 4 and 1. *2!* 3. 4 and 1." The song itself may go down on 1, but the stretch of time "4 and 1" is where we usually do the "cha-cha-cha," and so the rest of the downbeat is wrapping that part up to then properly break on 2.

Wow. Thanks for explaining the "four-AND" thing. Now I can finally hear these riffs exactly the way these artists _themselves_ were hearing it when they played it!

The song Ive always thought to be just crazy is "Changes" by Yes..... Love to see you break that one down brother!

@MacXpert74

26 күн бұрын

Haha, yeah that one has a really 'exotic' intro. I'm not sure what time signature it's in, but it sounds like some polyrhythmic thing with the drums in a different time signature than the guitar. When I first got to hear that album somewhere in the 90s, I was really blown away, I had never heard anything like it before. I became a YES fan soon after that! 😅

“Appetite” by Prefab Sprout always gets me.

@richtrophicherbs

Ай бұрын

Me too!

Thanks you made my day because I have been playing these songs for years and I just thought I was an idiot because I could never feel the beat! Especially Take It Easy Thanks

I love stuff like this! It's informative, and also educational for anyone who's ever played an instrument in a band -- timing is everything!

Minute by Minute is a CRAZY ONEEE

@yoshizukuri

Ай бұрын

Yep Doobie Bros. It always gets me even when I know it.

@kodowdus

Ай бұрын

It's not one of the syncopated scenarios, but a great example of using a harmonic pattern that takes an odd number of measures to resolve before "settling in".

@alandefreyne

Ай бұрын

Michael Mcdonald explains this one in his recent interview on Rick Beato's channel.

Sting's 'Fortress Around Your Heart' always gets me - even into the first verse. I can get it right sometimes but it's not easy..

@EddieReischl

Ай бұрын

That's one song we played in our band circa 1990 where I wish we had the Internet and I could have found sheet music for. That one took a while to figure the chords out to for the verses where I was satisfied with how it sounded.

@MacXpert74

26 күн бұрын

Yeah, that's another interesting one. I really only can lock into the rhythm when the drums come in with the bass drum and side stick at 33 seconds. But the timing always seems off when it comes in.

The intro to Lonely Boy by Andrew Gold is another great confusing one.

Your “corrected” count on “Hold The Line” (in 12/8!) is something that was taught to me alternatively as “4 with a 12 feeling”. Remember that strange phrase. It comes in handy quite often. Thank you for that one, Lois Carah and Randy Rudé, and may you both Rest In Peace.

Roxanne by The Police is the opposite of some of these examples. The guitar is playing straight on the beats but the bass and drums comes in on the off beat making the guitar sound off.

Confusing intro: Changes - Yes. Love your channel thanks 👌

@danchernowmusicandtranscri2112

Ай бұрын

The intro is in odd time. 4/8 3/8 then 4/8 3/8 3/8 repeating. 17 eighth notes (could also be counted as 7/8 + 10/8 or just 17/8). But what's REALLY cool in the 'Changes' intro is when Trevor Rabin's arpeggiated verse guitar part- in 4/4- comes in stealthily during the latter measures of the odd time stuff. Polymeter of 4/4 against 17/8 basically...mind-boggling. And somehow it WORKS.

The intro to the Pretenders' classic "Back on the Chain Gang" completely baffles me. No matter how I adjust my counting, I can never "feel" where the first beat of the actual song is going to be.

Great video. The intro to "Since You're Gone" by the Cars always trips me up.

I always liked Supergrass's "Lenny" & "Time" on their "I should coco" album

@mightyV444

Ай бұрын

Great examples, and great band, too! 😀👍

@JesseCubNYC

Ай бұрын

Yes to "Lenny"! I was gonna name that song as well. They're all playing on the offbeat, but it sounds like the beat.

@johnkelly4166

Ай бұрын

Any day is a good day to give praise to Supergrass

Excellent video as always but sidenote, I had no idea you were self taught! That really inspires me and gives me faith that I can do the same 💜 when I move this summer and finally get my keyboard back, I'm gonna check out HD Piano!

@DavidBennettPiano

Ай бұрын

Thank you! That’s great to hear 😊😊😊

Frankie Laine's Rawhide does it to me. Going from the end of the verse to the chorus. Every time.

The intro/first verse of Drops of Jupiter by Train is also confusing. The vocals are on the offbeat for the most part, but you don't notice that until you hear the other verses with drums.