Ohhh this video is just what I needed! Thank you for your in depth videos :]

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

Any time. No problem

same street fighter 2 was my first game when i grew up but the one put more time in was alpha on psp and 3rd strike as well my 2nd game was super street fighter 4 i miss that game needs a remake . also sfv was my 3rd and 6 was my 7th

I'm glad I'm not the only one having this crisis. I also use the Betop as my main pad right now, but I really wish the buttons weren't quite as stiff. It makes using the controller with an overhand grip much more difficult. I love its dpad, though, and am fine with the size of the shoulder buttons though I wouldn't mind them being bigger. I think my dpad is becoming worn down like yours, I've been getting a lot of misinputs with my diagonals the past month or so. At least it's incredibly cheap, so replacing it isn't that bad. It seems like every fightpad on the market has some major drawback to it, which is frustrating considering how expensive they get once you move past 8bitdo and the Betop. I also really hope 8bitdo does some kind of future release of those NeoGeo controllers, but with 6 responsive face buttons, 4 shoulder buttons, and less throw on the dpad. That dpad feels amazing for 2D fighters, but the controller has too many drawbacks as it is now to recommend to anyone for reasons other than novelty. Oh well, for now I've gone back to using arcade stick for 2D fighters and just use the current fightpads for Tekken until something better comes out.

Nice review. I own a few of these myself, namely: Razer Raion, Hori Octa, Hori Fighting Commander 3 Pro, 8-Bitdo M30 Xbox, Retro-Bit Saturn Pro Controller and the Betop Thorn. Here are my thoughts for those interested: Razer Raion (Updated Version): Great clicky dpad, good size, medium tension. Very few input errors with this one. Not a very comfortable controller for me, shoulder button design is bad imo. People that only use index fingers to access triggers will hate it, others still might not like it depending on hand size and grip. Everything else is quite good though. Face buttons use linear switches and do not have a ton of feedback but they are very responsive. Back buttons are responsive, although mine have already worn out quite a lot. Hori Octa PS4: Actually probably the best designed controller in terms of comfort and access to buttons. Shoulder buttons are both longer and larger which just makes sense. Clicky face buttons and the new Tekken version also has two sticks, one of which is lowered not to interfere with the face buttons. Very smart design imo for those who still might appreciate having access to sticks. The left stick is also very good for those who like to play with the thumbstick. All of this is good, but the dpad isn't. Very small, very high tension, not very comfortable to use for extended periods due to the aggressive ridges. 8-Bitdo M30 Xbox: It's very small and I actually noticed discomfort in my hands after a few days of use. If you wear a glove size 8 or higher, I would not even consider it. The dpad is very comfortable, but also easily up there as the most sensitive one out of all controllers. Some people will experience accidental jumps with this one for sure. But it also makes all inputs very fast. I can do inputs faster with this one than any other controller, but it is also so fast that I get unintended inputs at times if I am sloppy with my execution. The buttons are fine, I quite like the feel of them and I think they will last quite a long time without breaking down. The Saturn design with smaller buttons on the top row is weird at first, but you get used to it very fast. I think the coating of this pad is also quite good. Retro-Bit Saturn Pro Controller: This is the one I bought most recently. I actually really like the design of this controller. It feels cheaper than the 8Bitdo M30, but the tensioning of the dpad is much better and the size is much more comfortable. Having access to two thumb sticks is also very useful to navigate lobbies etc. in SF6 and Granblue. I actually really appreciate the wireless which has minimal input delay, but it is a terrible design choice that you can not use it wired. I also had a few disconnects, so I would only use it if you can have the dongle close to you. You also cannot map all buttons due to button mirroring. Despite this, I like it a lot. I hope Retro-Bit understands how many fighting game players would buy their controller if they just added wired functionality and button mapping. Betop Thorn: Like Rush G mentioned, the dpad does wear out a bit. I don't trust it anymore for this reason. Other than that, it is quite good. But I think the M30 Xbox does the same thing as this one, but a bit better. However, the Thorn has it beat in terms of comfort. Hori Fighting Commander 3 Pro: It has been a long time since I used this one, since it doesn't have a circular dpad. It's fine though. Not much to say. The unique function with this one is that you can tilt the dpad, which makes some inputs easier for me. But I prefer all other controllers over this one. Which one do I use atm? The Retro-Bit Saturn Pro Controller. I really hope they make a second revision with complete button mapping and the option of both wired and wireless. However, if Hori were to ever make a new version of their latest Tekken controller with a dpad more similar to the Saturn one (or even something similar to Razer's) I would switch to that.

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

Really appreciate this detailed feedback! My fingers are firmly crossed regarding either an updated Saturn Pro Controller or a new / updated Hori OCTA. Fingers crossed

@angryfish3679

2 ай бұрын

​@@RushG I really appreciate your reviews as well! I did not know about the Sanwa controller. I am thinking about trying it myself since I only use 5 out of the 6 front facing buttons.

I’ve used the hori fighting commander for around 5 years now and I’m on my fourth one already. 1 classic and 3 octas. It breaks really often for me but not having the shoulder buttons mappable on the other controllers is a deal breaker for me.

I really like the M30 but I can understand the size issue some people will have with it.

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

Its a lovely controller, the size is an issue for me but I think what is worse is the reports about the dpad becoming loose and buttons breaking. Unfortunate.

I'm glad it's not just me who feels the same about the hori commander. The D pad over time does feel flimsy and input error definitely becomes an issue. I'm wondering if you have used the vistrix as you can swap the front to have 6 buttons. It's pricey but one I am considering

Razer should make a 6 face button varaint of the Wolverine V2 Chroma without the analog sticks. Would make it to THE go-to fightpad for me. Because the d-pad, the face buttons, the bumbers and the extra M1/M2 buttons next to the regular shoulder buttons are all brilliant. Would be a sequel to the Razer Raion but actually good

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

I'm hearing Hori are releasing a new pad, details are limited but they've had input from players so maybe this could be the pad In the interim I've ordered a standard Saturn wired controller. Not tried the Wolverine V2 Chroma but sounds awesome. That pad but in the Raion design, take my 💰💰💰

@CalcioRoma

2 ай бұрын

I want a pad with VERY CLOSE TOGETHER BUTTONS, so no need to play with binds like lp+lk anymore... maybe the SANWA PAD could be perfect for me? Thanks Rush, i like your videos about pads :) .

After testing on my Hori Fighter commander 6 button layout. I feel more comfortable using a standard dual sense controller.

@RushG

Ай бұрын

6 button pads aren't for everyone. I wish I could use a standard 4 button layout

Out of all of these I think I’ll go with the betop or the m30

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

Good choices, the M30 is small though, really small. Worst case can always return it

@phaze5594

2 ай бұрын

@@RushG ig that settles it for the betop

@ImTrendel

2 ай бұрын

i have both, def prefer the betop. m30 feels small on my hands, and the betop is slightly taller. The betop would be perfect if the controller itself was a bit more thicker, that’s my only concern

I went through the same thing of trying to find the perfect controller. I ended up liking the Xbox Series controller the best. It's not a 6-button pad, but the d-pad and buttons are great. I would prefer different triggers though.

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

It's a rela journey looking for the perfect pad. I do like the Xbox Series pad. Feels very well built, weighty and I look the way those triggers feel. Giving me chills thinking about it

Have you tried a OG Sega Saturn pad with a converter? You'd probably love that.

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

This is what I've ordered. Retrobit actually sell a USB version, think there's a backlog at the moment or low stock so I have it on order. Delivery in June

I got so frustrated with finding the best pad, that I just decided to switch to keyboard instead. Using it as a hitbox type controller.

@avalonteam8513

2 ай бұрын

Congratulations on your choice , it was the best choice in this situation. All the dpads is sux overall compare to the sticks or hitbox , leverless controllers - for fighting games

@CestJordan

2 ай бұрын

I went from keyboard to a hit box style controller from haute 42. It’s really affordable and feels great. Highly recommend.

@RRR-h9s

2 ай бұрын

@@CestJordan Can you remap/swap the up and down key? I Know all the leverless use the key at the bottom as the up key. But I wanna use it as the down key.

I think that the M30 doesn't feel as small of you hold it differently. Rather than gripping it like a modern controller, hold it with the sides at the fold between the palm and the fingers. That way you press the buttons and the dpad more with tips of your thumbs rather than with the fleshy part.

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

I did try this and it just wanted comfortable for me personally

I have the Hori pad, I don't really like the directional pad but it works better than a ps4 pad and feels nice enough. I've heard that the new Hori pad isn't great though, I forgot its name.

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

The Octa? Yeah the dpad on that is pretty trash (IMO)

@junior1388666

2 ай бұрын

Also my octa broke in less than a year. Two shoulder buttons came lose. The old fighting commander is way better built, I have mine for almost 10 years and it's still in really good shape

i want 4 face button controller with a sega like dpad so bad

@RushG

13 күн бұрын

@@juanchol21 crazy to me that this combination doesn't exist

How would you compare the dpad on the fighting commander to a dualshock 4 or dualsense 5? I liked both these controllers but am now getting misinputs on the dpad and it'd be nice to have 6 buttons. I wouldn't buy the FC if the dpad is worse tho.

@RushG

Ай бұрын

I really like the DS4 dpad, I use this on Tekken. Id say the Hori FC is slightly inferior to the DS4 DS5 I haven't actually used for fighters. It feels good but I've heard bad things about this controller when it comes to fighting games

he is dpad guy no thumbsticks, i don't go back to dpad anymore but i can still use it

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

Thats correct I dont use thumbsticks, I know a few people that do play this style but they are not as common as dpad players

Any recommendation for a 4-button controller? I just want one with a good dpad, everything else I can get used to

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

For me I do like the standard PS4 pad in all honesty. But in the 4 button pad area there's many pads I've not tried so it's hard to give rounded feedback

Hey Rush, have you ever tried the victrix pro bfg? Its pricey but it looks pretty nice

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

I'm looking into it. Not a fan of how the - buttons sit on the face of the pad (sit white low). I'll have a think before buying one

@RyuHippo

2 ай бұрын

@@RushG I got the same preferences as you (10 mapable buttons, saturn dpad) and I can tell you that u'd love it. Amazing dpad (not the default one, you can switch it out to a circular one, kind of similar to the saturn pad). Gotta get used to the paddle buttons on the back but can be useful to quickaccess parry/DI. In the worst case you can turn them off & even tape them down so you dont press them all the time by accident. Huge downside is the ridiculous price. I dont want to settle with a 150+€ and i dont know how durable it is.

@Abbelboxe

2 ай бұрын

Good Dpad indeed. Face button placement is horrible though, if you use the 6 button module. They are way too far on the left and low. You actually have to actively reach and stretch your thumb to get to the "lights". And the annoying part is, that there actually is a piece of empty space on the right. All what needed to be done is move the buttons towards that space and we might have the perfect pad.

@Deredesa

2 ай бұрын

I own two of the BFG for PS5. One of them has an inconsistent R1 button. Supposedly they fixed that being an issue with the refresh that came out this year, you can tell it’s the newer model with it being white or black and having a purple strip on the handle area. The fight pad module is way too low and just falls flat because of it, but excluding that imo its the best controller ever made

Do you think for someone with small hands the 8bitdo M30 would shoot up to first place?

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

It will be better positioned in smaller hands. The pad being so small however also makes it harder to grip. I've noticed more recently testing so many pads, for me personally something chunky with handles at the bottom (like how a PS controller is designed) makes it more stable in terms of grip

@ViridianMaridian

Ай бұрын

@@RushG I got one for myself to try and I've been using it for a few days now. I have to say it fits perfectly into my hands! D-pad feels great, diagonals are easy, face buttons feel good, absolutely love the top buttons and I never mis-input them. Still getting used to quarter circle motions but I think I'll get there. The only problem I'm having is that pressing grab (X and A simultaneously) is super awkward. I have to roll my wrist to get my thumb over them both consistently. I'm thinking of changing LSB (currently drive impact) to grab, since RB and RT are much easier to press together. How have you gone with grabs/simultaneous inputs with the M30? I'm slightly annoyed that I'll have to relearn my DI muscle memory but I'm honestly finding it impossible to grab consistently at this point. To reiterate everything else about the controller is perfect for me.

I used to have the hori ps4 pad and have been thinking about getting the hori ps5 pad but have seen mixed reviews. What's your opinion on it and/or have you tried it?

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

Hori OCTA sucks, don't go near it

@ElCu3rvo

2 ай бұрын

@@RushG thanks for the heads up lol

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

No worries. I have heard rumours they have a new one coming in the future. Fingers firmly crossed

@siberianspecialforces7246

2 ай бұрын

​@@RushGHad to use one on Tekken 8 on a PS5 at a local and man, I was misinputing bad.

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

@@siberianspecialforces7246 yeah the dpad just isn't it. I literally couldn't do QCF inputs on it on one of the sides in game. Absolutely awful

I can't find the SANWA controller

@RushG

Ай бұрын

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/296151246431?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=22PLvSn4RG2&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=F4uSR2s2Q0O&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

@BadBoyBird

Ай бұрын

@@RushG thx

At this point we need to find a shop that custom builds one. For 700000 dollars...... :(

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

RG - Reliable Gear

Its too bad you only review the 6 button game pads. I was looking at the fly digo controllers. But those aren't 6 button right pads

razer raion fightpad ???????????????

@RushG

2 ай бұрын

Tried the original (not the one with the updated dpad). Clicky face buttons, I feel I remember the shoulders being sensitive? Dpad was awful, I hear the new version has a better dpad but no way to tell which one is old / new when you buy it