Just an idea... instead of placing sand in a box, create several boxes 2 inches thick, then fill with sand and then stack them maybe 10 boxes. This way we can see how many inches a bullet will travel in sand.😊

@rob6850

5 ай бұрын

Good idea

@Horus2Osiris

5 ай бұрын

Great idea!

@chriswigington1572

5 ай бұрын

Good idea. That would be interesting!

@redfaux74

5 ай бұрын

Don't be stealing my idea..... 😕

@shizzyranks

5 ай бұрын

use cereal boxes

For deer hunting the 6.5 Grendel hands down.

@donalddicorcia2433

3 ай бұрын

This. I don’t hunt lumber or steel so don’t care about how a round penetrates either.

@jimfields9491

3 ай бұрын

@@donalddicorcia2433 Surely you’re not hunting deer with a 5.56? Very unethical.

@donalddicorcia2433

3 ай бұрын

I was agreeing with you. Comprehension problem?

@doesitallmatter1072

2 ай бұрын

6.5 Grendel shines beyond 500 yards. Plus my 20" T box will shoot at 0.5 MOA @ 100 yards with an AR-15 setup weighting at 9.3lbs with scope and bi pod on. For 6.5 creedmoor I have to step up to AR-10 or go bolt RPR. So 6.5 Grendel is one of the best AR-15 ammo for long range.

@Kenny17674

2 ай бұрын

​@@jimfields9491556/223 is a great varmit round, but not for big game I agree.

Bottom line: The 6.5 Grendel has the same energy at 235 yards that the 5.56 has at the muzzle. “Don’t waste the money”??? Absolutely is worth it if you hunt deer instead of steel,wood, cardboard...

@RARufus

Ай бұрын

Exactly. This cartridge has a purpose and competing with 5.56 on targets ain’t one of them.

@gofoats

Ай бұрын

What is the performance at 500 yds MOA?

@joseywales8257

Ай бұрын

​@@RARufusA better comparison for those of you who don't have both, it's more like comparing 22 magnum vs 22 short, with 223 being the 22 short.

@willl7780

Ай бұрын

100%

@TheDoorspook11c

Ай бұрын

6.5 delivers the meat.

I think the attraction to 6.5 Grendel over the 6.5 Creedmore is not only the ballistic performance as a DMR rifle on the AR15 platform but more important is the cost. 6.5 CM requires the M5(AR10) while the Grendel only needs its own complete upper & mags.

@michaelkaiser1864

4 ай бұрын

or just stay with m262 and 762.51. Both of those rounds are in common use with other platforms. Both give extended range.

@dudeilligence6441

4 ай бұрын

Grendel can be used with pmags as well, just can't fit that many rounds,

@joshswanton841

4 ай бұрын

10mm vrs 357

@danielmckraken5160

3 ай бұрын

@@michaelkaiser1864 agreed

@ofironboundflame5117

14 күн бұрын

That doesn't make any sense - the cost of 6.5 Grendel is more than 6.5 CM, by a lot.

I have found that the 6.5 Grendel round performs really well out of a 20 inch barrel. And it’s much lighter than my 20 inch AR-10 chambered in .308.

@jongruen7854

4 ай бұрын

Likewise.

@user-ns3le2jx3m

3 ай бұрын

Factsssss

@bishopsteiner7134

2 ай бұрын

it still performs out to 300 meters or so fine out of a 16, better than a 556, anyhow, being as it is not near as velocity dependent. 2o for sure is a nice pep boost, but more important in a 556.

@willl7780

Ай бұрын

YES

@AmmoshortageNP

Ай бұрын

You’re just cutting your own foot off by getting a 6.5 Grendel, the 6.5 family is not in any way comparable to .223. It is comparable to 6mm BR, 6 prc 6.5 creedmore, 6.5 prc, 6mm ARC,

6.5 Grendel for precision work @400 - 800+ yards for precision work. When the Zombies get closer the 5.56 for laying down the Lead Curtain!

This was a good comparison. From what I understand, 6.5gren was meant to take what 5.56 can do at 300yds, and make it happen at 500yds. My coyote gun is in 6.5 and it is nice for making longer shots more confidently due to BC. Totally right on the ammo price too... Makes it tough to justify.

@copper178

5 ай бұрын

6.5 grendel used to be cheap until Biden did his import ban on Russian ammo. I bought it prior to that and it was priced similar to 7.62X39 and 5.45X39 Russian ammo. Now it's pathetic that 5.56 is cheaper than Ak-47 ammo. As for which ammo is better, I'd take the grendel over the 5.56 any day. It has way more energy and is still supersonic past 1000yrds. At 400yrds the grendel is 1037 ft/lbs while the 5.56 is 693 ft/lbs.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

@@copper178 Go away commie

@mafiasoftviral

5 ай бұрын

OMG I love Grendel!!! But man i hate paying for it.

@foxcm2000

5 ай бұрын

6.5 Grendel definitely aint' cheap, but it's legal for hunting deer in my state while 556 isn't. I buy online and it's comparable in price to 308 while being chambered in an AR 15 platform (I only had to buy an upper, not a whole rifle) instead of a bigger platform. Having said that, 556 sure isn't going away either!

@mtnbound2764

5 ай бұрын

that makes sense as a light, low recoil bolt gun, however as an ar15 5.56 replacement, its just not worth it to me. ar's are for loading up 30's and letting it rip

Clearly the layer of paint you put on that steel is what prevented the round from penetrating 😂😂😂

There is a 90 grain 6.5 grendel that does 3000fps, I think you could do a follow up vid about the different 6.5 grendel options compared to the different 5.56 options. I'd like to see how 77gr 5.56 compares to 90gr grendel doing 3000 fps.

@MrKingArthurhk

5 ай бұрын

I use 123 SST rounds.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

Who care? The average civilian self-defense shooting distance is between 3 to 7 yards, Skippy.

@Davidautofull

5 ай бұрын

well, that could change. will our soldiers shoot Americans? that would mean more than 7 yards. now that we all have an AR-15 sleepy and co want to stop making 556. see where they are going? the United States and, guess, Yemen, are the only places where there are store fronts that can sell guns and ammo to civilians. please research Agenda 21. the plan of the UN to unarm and control the world, started in 1992 and to be completed in 2030. @@railfanningpoints2.045

@williamster2015

5 ай бұрын

​@@railfanningpoints2.045 1. This isn't a self defense test or comparison. 2. Pistol cartridges are the most commonly used within 7 yards. 3. They're specific reasons why rifle cartridges with Long range defense ballistics exist 4. Do you comprehend skippy?

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

@williamster2015 Do you comprehend Meal Team 6? You're not ever going shoot someone in a legitimate self-defense situation that any potential long-range ballistic advantage of 6.5 Grendel is going to matter.

I believe the point of the 6.5 Grendel , is that it carries more energy at distance and can reach farther than the 5.56. Up to the user if you want to pay for it or not.

@mzmadmike

5 ай бұрын

A 75 year study shows 90% of combat engagements are inside 100 meters, and 98% inside 300 meters. So unless you are doing DM or sniping, it's not a relevant advantage, and if you are, .308 and 6.5 CM are better.

@pewpew9193

4 ай бұрын

​@@mzmadmike My thoughts were pretty much the same. If 5.56 isn't capable of the task, why not just go to .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor? For an upper swap, the .300 BLK makes the most sense. That opens up the world of suppressed subs & still gives you the option of running an intermediate .30 caliber if you don't care about needing ear pro.

@SlavicCelery

4 ай бұрын

@@pewpew9193 The problem with the .300 BLK Subs/standard rounds, is you really need to tune the AR to one of the two. At least for long term reliable use. Can you run both in an upper not tuned specifically to one or the other? Yeah. If it's setup for standard carts, you'll end up overgassed in suppressed modes. And you'll probably be undergassed for regular rounds if you set it up to run well suppressed. You got to remember the round counts these rifles would be going through. The ability to easily regulate gas, is one of the reasons that piston guns are frequently chosen by many militaries.

@cornbreaddiabetic4615

4 ай бұрын

​@pewpew9193 5.56 is a high velocity 22lr, just for plinking at the range 5.56/223, low recoil deer round 6.5 Grendel. Varmint hunting 223 does good. Less weight with the AR15 vs an AR10 in 308 or creed. I have 5.56, 22lr, 300blk, 458 and 6.5 Grendel, all in the AR platform I can hunt anything I need to, versatile platform all calibers are tools designated for certain tasks, all shine in certain areas. 223 definitely cheaper that's why 6.5 Grendel is my go to for deer

@jackaubrey8614

3 ай бұрын

@@mzmadmike Perhaps because 6.5 G is ballistically superior to 5.56 (so flatter shooting increases hit chance in fleeting shots), is harder hitting at any range and allows use of a smaller/shorter/lighter weapon than .308 or 6.5 CM?

Main advantage to the Grendel is you can build it in an AR-15 platform, and it's legal to hunt deer with in most states, making it more versatile.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

Thanks Elmer Fudd

@scottsozmtns7534

5 ай бұрын

Here where I live in Missouri we’re pretty relaxed about size, calibers, etc. Our rule is this “If it’s a centerfire cartridge, it’s legal.” So, that means here I can use my 9mm or .17 Hornet or I can go to a big boy like my old .30-06’, their ALL centerfire so they are ALL legal. It’s really weird for us guys here to thing of our fellow hunters in the eastern states being resigned to “Slug-Shotguns”. While I find it to be a very fascinating prospect to harvest a deer with a 12-gauge, 16-gauge, 20-gauge, 28-gauge & even the .410 (I think in totality it’d be a .68 gauge), gauge as I’ve got an ol’ Stevens .410 Bolt Action. I’ve harvested deer w/.357 Revolver, my middle (of 3), son harvested a whitetail w/his 9mm, and I’ve actually taken a Red Fox at 27-yards, open sights, 1-free hand using a Glock 27 9mm. Only Fox I’ve ever taken, as for hunting. (Not including trapping) The only real changes besides the barrel is you need a 6.8 SPC Remington Bolt & 6.8 SPC magazines & you’ve got your 6.5 Grendel!

@Two_Names

5 ай бұрын

@@scottsozmtns7534 not Eastern states, but northern Midwestern. Ohio and the like. FL, GA, etc have pretty relaxed laws about what you can hunt with as well. In fact, I think there's only a handful of states where a .223 is no bueno for deer or bigger game and they're all in the Pacific Northwest.

@Dcm193

5 ай бұрын

@@Two_Namesif you can hunt it with a bow you can hunt with with 5.56

@vinson6337

5 ай бұрын

Arkansas is centerfire as well.

I go with the Grendel for 2 reasons. First, it holds velocity and energy much better at over 50 yds. Second, it fits the AR-15 platform, whereas the 6.5 CM and .308 have to go in an AR-10 platform.

@dontbetreadin4777

5 ай бұрын

It doesn't though, If you're cherry-picking loads and barrel length then sure you could use those arguments but that goes for any Cartridge. people who invested in 6.5GR are just sour they got had. 5.56mm will always come out on top especially when SHTF (and it will). So, stop wasting your money on the Grendel and invest more into a logical cartridge like 5.56mm.

@CthulDude

5 ай бұрын

@@dontbetreadin4777 Matters. Grendel can shoot to 1000 about as well as 556. Both are gonna have worries of going subsonic at about that range. 556 will get punked by any wind at that distance. The real kicker is have you tried spotting your shots that far out with 556? Looks like a rabbit farted on the dirt. Also, this is not taking into consideration how well Grendel does with large game. In those same circles you will have people sneering at you for using 556 and for good reason.

@dontbetreadin4777

5 ай бұрын

YOu''ll never shoot at 1,000 yards ,Stop with this nonsense @@CthulDude

@claudelamoreux8543

5 ай бұрын

​@@dontbetreadin4777The 6.5 123 gr bullet has a higher B.C. and S.D. than the 5.56 55gr. This gives better down range performance because science.

@CthulDude

5 ай бұрын

@@dontbetreadin4777 good follow up. I am in awe.

I like how barrel lengths and ammunition types are totally ignored.

@Daninbristolbay

12 күн бұрын

yeah he skips a number of important details in many of his videos.

The Serbian army introduced the 6.5Grendel (local version 6.5x39) and modular Zastava M19 rifle with two calibers (6.5Grendel and 7.62x39). In the future, 6.5Grendel will be the main bullet for serbian infantry units. Currently, it is only used by special units.

@morscovium8881

3 ай бұрын

I thought the serbs only killed civilians. They shouldn’t need that for unarmored civilians.

Great test! The 6.5 G was a lot more appealing when you could get steel for $.20/round.

@ravissary79

5 ай бұрын

And that steel ammo would likely have done better in these tests.

@Kaiser1289

4 ай бұрын

@@ravissary79 I agree. I’ve shot a lot of steel 6.5G and it’s funny, It acts a lot like the 7N6 “poison bullet” from the 5.45 AK.

@ballistic_hipster

4 ай бұрын

I miss those days...

@mikel9656

3 ай бұрын

i bought a tone of it before it disappeared... if you keep an eye out at SGAMMO very seldomly 6.5G comes up on sale for 70-80 cents a round, i snap it up as fast as i can

@Hornet135

Ай бұрын

@@ravissary79 no it wouldn’t. Mild steel jacket has no real effect on penetration.

I'm a 6.5 owner, agree with your test but the 6.5 will carry more energy at greater distances that the advantage of the 6.5

@PoliticallyInsensitive

5 ай бұрын

Plus it stays super sonic out to 1k with a vastly superior BC.

@416cubes4

5 ай бұрын

Correct..

@nozrep

5 ай бұрын

grendel or creedmore or prc or swede?😅 k the grendel i’m guessing

@CathodeRayNipplez

5 ай бұрын

Like a Tesla does.

@jamesdeery1084

5 ай бұрын

@@nozrep I read that the russians are developing a new cartridge as they have found that both the 7.62 x 39 and the 5.45 x 39 deficient against western body armour. The calibre is reported to be 6.02 x44. awaiting developments

Grendel should get cool name bonus points. 😎

@Twargan

5 ай бұрын

Not when you call it Grundle like I do, lol

@dryciderz

5 ай бұрын

​@@Twarganlol

@fleatactical7390

5 ай бұрын

Agreed!

@__shifty

5 ай бұрын

big ol fat brass ass too. much prettier sitting on the bench. not that i sit and admire my collection or anything. who would do that, that's weird.

@jrlaymance

Ай бұрын

Owner of Alexander Arms is responsible for the name, just like the Beowulf .50 that is also a ar-15 platform round that also use the x39 case

I'm really starting to look forward to the next segments from this channel. Well done sir, thank you for sharing.

Just want to say thank you for showing all the nice calibers around :-) The most ive never seen here. Always great to watch. Bananas greets from Germany

The advantage of the grendal over the 308, in a AR platform, is the size of the AR frame - weight... I use the grendel in an AR for hunting and love it. In a bolt gun, Howa puts the 6.5 in their mini action and have a bolt gun that comes in at 4 pounds 7 ozs.... Thanks for the video, I did enjoy it and learned a lot from it... I certainly will be keeping both the grendel and the 556...

@shadowopsairman1583

5 ай бұрын

You forget the AR-10 was out

@dclark1980

5 ай бұрын

​@@shadowopsairman1583 He was talking about the difference in weight between the AR-15 platform and the AR-10/SR-25 platform. The difference is usually considerable.

@arthurshingler2025

5 ай бұрын

I've owned both the Howa and the Ruger American in the Grendel. Other than the magazines, I really like them both! Super accurate barrels! I don't like magazines that hang out of the rifle. I prefer compact "blind" magazines (floor plates are nice too). I only need three or four rounds in a magazine when I hunt with this cartridge.

@andrewwentzel

5 ай бұрын

That is a great point… the AR10 action is so long that you hardly ever see people actually using AR10s with barrels longer than 18 inches. Most people actually use a 16 inch which then you lose a lot of velocity. If you build 2 guns to the same OAL …. one AR10 in 6.5 CM and one AR15 in 6.5 Grendel the CM will still have several hundred more FPS advantage but the gap narrows and the Grendel is much more efficient… less powder, less recoil, less blast/unburnt powder…

@Two_Names

5 ай бұрын

If you're using proper ammo and hit where you're supposed to, double lung , heart, high shoulder, deer don't know the difference between the rounds. They'll kill all the same.

I have both. To put, shall we call it “lethal” power at targets beyond 300 m it would be the Grendel. Since I reload the cost difference is negligible to me and the commonality of the platform is a big cost savings over the 308 and other 6.5 cartridges. Let’s face it there is no one, perfect tool for every job. My Grendel is for when I need to “reach out and touch someone”.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

The average civilian self-defense shooting distance is 3 to 7 yards. Have fun in court trying to beat a homicide charge because you shot someone at long range while claiming it was self-defense.

@leorguevara3622

5 ай бұрын

​@@railfanningpoints2.045no bodies, no crime 😉

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

@leorguevara3622 Sure, kid. DNA and forensic evidence have put away guilty people. They don't need a body to charge you with murder or manslaughter.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

@@leorguevara3622 They'll still convict you on DNA and various forensic evidence.

@Off-target-xy6bx

5 ай бұрын

@@railfanningpoints2.045 some of us are just using them for hunting. In that case the 6.5 has a clear advantage. Lighter than 308 and plenty of energy for deer. So it has its place I figured I would use it for that a lot more often than for self defense 👍🤷🏽‍♂️

The difference between the two, is the 6.5 grendel maintains it's ballistic advantages as the range gets longer or as the brush gets thicker, compared to the 5.56.

I have both. However, I chose 6.5 Grendel.

Hey man, I just wanted to tell you I really enjoy your videos. Keep it up!!

The 6.5 Grendel was designed to run in the ar-15 platform. I think it comes down to which one of these would succeed in harvesting medium sized game. The 6.5 Grendel wins this hands down. Great video, thanks!

@bliksemdonder5624

5 ай бұрын

Many land owners won't let you use this cartridge due to its lack of performance.

@paolosasso2189

5 ай бұрын

​@@bliksemdonder5624 by "this" cartridge, I assume you mean 556. I don't know anyone anywhere that would say Grendel is not up to the task of hunting medium sized game.

@fltmed

5 ай бұрын

@@bliksemdonder5624 Then they haven't see the results. I have taken 18 deer with the 6.5 Grendel and I have yet to have a deer go more than 20 yards after being shot with it. Even at distances out to 300 yards. I have taken a few deer with 5.56 in special circumstances, but wouldn't recommend it.

@CETGale

4 ай бұрын

@@fltmed Agree 100%, I have also taken deer out to 300 with the 556 but wouldnt recommend it either thats why I bought my Grendel... The Grendel is basically like hunting deer with a 30-30 Win. in a AR 15 platform just way better long range performance...

I love the grendel. With the carbon Howa mini my 9 year old gets 1/2 inch groups at 100yds. For a 4-1/2 lb rifle that's pretty good. And it's a deer and hogs slayer with no recoil.

@morscovium8881

3 ай бұрын

Big deal everyone on youtube gets 1/2” groups at 100 yards. Try doing something actually hard like getting a 6.5mm group at ten millions yard like i did yesterday. In all seriousness do you realize how ridiculous you sound? 1/2” MOA from a 9 year old… yeah right…

I just found your channel a week or two ago and I have to tell you I am loving it. Your tests are practical and well done. Love the videos and I am very much enjoying watching them all. Keep up the good work. I'll keep watching and up-voting.

It's possible to consistently ring steel at 1300 yards with the Grendel. I have never heard of anyone making consistent shots past 800 with a 5.56. also, the Grendel has the mass to take large game at typical hunting distances legally and ethically. It's too bad we can't get the cheap Russian steel case anymore, that made the Grendel inexpensive to shoot as well.

@ammoiscurrency5706

4 ай бұрын

I've seen people win competitions at 1000 and 1200 with 223 but for ease the 6.5 grendel would be easier.

I built a 6.5 Grendel as my CQC and SPR rifle. Perfect combo of high lethality in close quarters and a great intermediate range Marksman/ sniper rifle. Check out the ballistics on the 6.5 Grendel out of a 12.5 barrel. Also great out of an 16"-20" barrel for designated marksman's rifle. I can also tell you that FMJ ammo will go through 3/8" steel at 100yds. Especially if it is LAP rounds.

@pewpew9193

4 ай бұрын

For me, I'd prefer having different tools for those jobs. .300 BLK or even PCC for short range/ indoor. Then a 6.5 Creedmoor or a .308 for longer ranges. I guess the Grendel is a good choice if you want to try to combine them.

@wilsonrawlin8547

3 ай бұрын

@@pewpew9193 It is perfect for combining those roles purely for combat purposes. Everything has its limitations.

Tie breaker should be the volume of the crater in the plate or penetration at 100 yards.

@nozrep

5 ай бұрын

ohhh a good idea!

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

No

@Pickle312

5 ай бұрын

Comparing to his other videos the holes on plate steel get wider whenever the bullet is stopped. Measuring the volume of the hole would t necessarily be a good indicator

@Ray56z

5 ай бұрын

Size of the round is already around 20% larger for the 6.5 so that would automatically make the 6.5 crater larger. 6.5 should also penetrate @ 100 yards due to grain size too.

I’m halfway through this vid and throughly enjoying it!!! SUBSCRIBED.

6.5 Grendel is better small compact but punches above its weight especially at close and longer range 👌

@bliksemdonder5624

5 ай бұрын

Close range maybe, long range, not so much.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

There is no 6.5 Grendel steel penetrator EPR load. There is a military 5.56 M855A1 EPR steel penetrator which destroys every 6.5 Grendel load in defeating barriers.

@dankdaze42069

5 ай бұрын

@@railfanningpoints2.045 Yeah if anyone's got like a hundred bucks...a round 😐 unless you're talking one of the other versions where they're not as good then those just aren't worth it except for maybe green tip also if you know what you're doing you can just make your own slugs

@dankdaze42069

5 ай бұрын

@@bliksemdonder5624 delivers more energy and 556 is still slow and takes a second hit anyway so I'd rather my hits actually count when have a slightly easier time hitting it otherwise it's going to zip right through The tumble effect is usually with shorter barrels anyway

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

@dankdaze42069 Pulled M855A1 EPR bullets are available on the civilian market from time to time. You just need to reload your own 5.56 NATO brass.

Love the Grendel. When I got into it the Russian steel case was here and cheap and rifles loved it.

Love your videos, simple tests, no grand lecture on your knowledge of everything, just " here this is what this bullet does" thanks.

Thanks for all your testing, really enjoy, ❤

Very well done and informative Thanks, 👍

Depends on bullet choice. I like both. Get an 85 gr bullet going 3000 fps out a grendel and you'll see a very interesting comparison. Especially if it's all copper. An 85 gr or 90 gr Maker vs a 55 gr barnes would be awesome.

@LRRPFco52

5 ай бұрын

80gr Hammer Hunter will cook at very fast speeds.

One word: Deer Hunting. That energy=down-range oomph! Also, out of an AR-15 platform as opposed to the .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor which would require the larger AR-10 sized platform. Good data though. I always enjoy your tests, thanks!

@Camshaft-fu9xn

2 ай бұрын

Deer Hunting ..... is............ TWO WORDS

@roygaisser9230

2 ай бұрын

@@Camshaft-fu9xn WOW! Thanks so much for that! I was merely trying to do two things at once (boy I should know better. First I was trying to be a bit humorous and secondly, I was honoring your President (as he had done that on multiple occasions). Sorry you missed it. I will try to put a disclaimer on all my posts in the future that may contain satire!

@MrOldclunker

Ай бұрын

Who hunts with an AR platform anyway. The grouping utterly sucks after 100 yards.

@JD.307

Күн бұрын

@@MrOldclunker 🤣 Get a better AR.. my Grendel shoots 1/2 MOA with hunting bullets and dropped plenty of deer out to 400 yds. My LR-308 has taken antelope at 550 yds, though it only shoots 3/4 MOA. 🤠

Good comparison video and as always very well done! However, as others have commented, the .556/.223 lacks the energy out beyond 250-300 yds to take medium game humanely. My son took a whitetail at 225 yds with the 6.5 Grendel that I built on the AR platform for him to hunt with. The game animal fell in its tracks from a good vital area shot with a 123 grain ELD Hornady.

@matthewbeaver5026

5 ай бұрын

I've read those eld's aren't very good for hunting. Through and through. Whereas the sst's seem to have better performance. Then again at range maybe the low drag plays a role. Most of what I was reading on was inside 200.

Respect for your taget system, versatile and stabil.

AR-15 vs AR-10 I shoot both but most people don't. New upper vs AR-10 & my daughter- no problem w size rifle or recoil of the Grendel. Most are watching for the "next purchase" not what they have...$3-400 vs 1k & up strong case for 6.5G

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

What? Stop drunk posting.

This is quickly becoming one of my favorite gun channels! I've seen every video for the last few months and get excited when I see a new upload. Keep them coming man!

I quite liked seeing this comparison as I have multiple rifles on both calibers, the Grendel I tend to build around longer barrels than the 5.56 as I use it for hunting and want to keep the velocity up. I'd say the reason to choose the Grendel over the 5.56 is for energy into the target within 400 yards and why choose it over the .308 or Creedmore is because Grendel gets to run in the smaller and lighter AR-15 platform with lighter recoil for keeping on target better for following up shots and rapid fire. Grendel os a proper balance in the middle range between 5.56 and .308 and a great deer and hog round.

Good tests & results. Thank you.

I understand that the 6.5 has a much longer effective Distance. Also the BC keeps it on target much better!

@Redacted-Information

Ай бұрын

You can hunt most anything with Grendel but not 556

Do you have a 6.8 SPC vs 6.5 Grendel video

I'm currently doing some load development for my 6.5 Grendel (20-inch Faxon barrel AR). I have to say, the Banana Ballistics channel never fails to entertain and inform. Keep it up !!!! Thanks!

@03zx2

5 ай бұрын

Try 123grain Hornady ELD Match loaded with 26.0 grains of 8208XBR powder, at an OAL of 2.50” Best load I have worked out using a 20” bolt gun with 1:8 twist. Easily shoots sun MOA at 100 yards, usually keeping groups of about 1/2” or smaller. (the Hornady SST, and the Nosler Match Monster bullets work just as good as well) The issue for me seems to be neck cracking of the cases (even thought I began annealing them) I was getting about 3-4 reloads per case, annealing moved it to about 5-6, but usually by the 5th time fired, the necks have split, or shown signs that they will. Never any over pressure signs though, and always clean burn, with no un-burnt powder left behind. I have also had some good results with CFE 223 powder, but the XBR8208 seems to work better (for me)

You're welcome. I feel so validated 😁 Great test, sirs.

Depending on application..... but for all purpose, the Grendel.

Was an interesting test. Didn't know Grendel ammo was that pricey.

Thank you for doing this. 🤜🏻

Very enjoyable video, Just subbed! Thanks

As usual, cool video. 😎 Since you work so much one handed, maybe just glue the rubber piece to the vice jaw. Then you just have to point it out instead of having to place it and line it up with one hand.

If you have bullets for civilians with a lead core, and not with steel as in the army, then there is no point in comparing.

This is very handy info to have just before my big mild steel safari.

first video i seen of yours. I was kind of listening and then seen your face and thought to my self this fellas voice doesnt match up! 😂😂😂 subbed great content!

How do you look 15 & sound 51 at the same time?

@redfaux74

5 ай бұрын

No. He looks 25. His voice is incredibly manly. He's got lots of pews.... so he gets lots of points. ❤

The Grendel won on the concrete and on the steel, so where’s the tie that needed to be broken?

1650-1800FPE > 1100-1290FPE. Reloading opens up a whole new world for both cartridges, but the Grendel is just plain better, imho. The 6.5 bullet has much better BC which helps it maintain energy further and buck the wind better, and it has superior sectional density, and more case capacity. The only drawbacks (from reloading perspective) would be the fact that the Grendel Bolt has less surface material and the case is only rated for 52,000psi vs the 556's 62,000psi. 7.62×39 brass (cheaply obtained from most gun ranges) can be necked down to make 6.5G brass.

Great sled creativity

I shoot a lot of 6.5 Grendel. Definitely my favorite caliber for the ar15 and the velocity has always bugged me but after dozens of dead white tails and shooting 600+ yards especially in wind it’s way easier to connect with the Grendel. I prefer the 120gn federal fusion for deer but the 115 grain Barnes is pretty sweet too. Both going right around 2550fps. If you want something moving faster I like the 90gn bullets. The American eagle 90gn jhp is going 2900fps from my rifle and the 105gn sierra game king going almost 2700fps. But the majority of ammo you find is 120-123gn and from a 16-18” ar you can expect 2400-2500fps but from my river American with a 16” barrel I’m getting 2500-2600 fps from most 120-123gn bullets

I built a 6.5 Grendel AR, and it's a thing of beauty and precision. BUT, the ammo is expensive, and even the empty brass is crazy. I've switched back to .308 Win for range & power, and to 300 Blackout for light and versatile. I also have a fantastic 5.56 AR, but it's taking a break this year because I've got the attention span of a ferret with an espresso drip. I decided that 6.5 Grendel is a great round, but not great enough for the price/shot.

@EnderPearlRs

5 ай бұрын

Sad but true. There are so many cool rounds out there but unless you are rich enough to buy and store mass quantities of weird expensive ammo it's just not practical.

@ukuskota4106

5 ай бұрын

How much?

@arten

5 ай бұрын

@@ukuskota4106 For 6.5 Grendel rounds? It varies depending on what you're getting and from who and on availability.

@flaircraft

5 ай бұрын

Up until a couple years ago, Grendel blasting ammo used to cost barely more than 5.56 blasting ammo. FJB. I'm crossing my fingers that PSA will add Grendel to their USA steel-case ammo production line. You can also resize spent 7.62x39 shells to use for Grendel if you're into reloading.

@arten

5 ай бұрын

@@flaircraft So I heard, on the price a few years back. I do reload, but I decided my time and money was better spent on 300 Blackout for a short-barrel AR-15, and 308 for a long-barrel AR-10. I still have my AR-15 in 6.5 Grendel (20" Proof Research barrel, upgraded BCG, the works), but I don't really use it right now because of ammo and components costs. It's a wonderful firearm, but I think I like 300 Bk better right now.

very good videos. I love them so much, the comparison is perfect. Other channels shoot different targets everytime with different results.... more show but thats all. 👍👍👍

Did you ever try green tip 556 ammo on the sand box?

I do not need to choose...got ‘em both!

@kloeptomaniac

5 ай бұрын

I have 2 lowers. I just buy uppers in different calibers. Diversify

Id be interested in seeing the performance difference between 2 loadings of the same caliber, specifically a 55gr or M855 against 77gr OTM 5.56

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

Everyone has done that type of test already for years. Don't you know how to look up videos Boomer?

Man, I really love my Grendel! Taken many deer and hogs with my Grendel, so I’ve held off on converting to 6arc. With that said, the new 6max makes sense over the 6arc, especially since performance is so close. Also the 6max is only a barrel swap to convert a 5.56 AR, no need the change your AR-15 bolt. Which, is a major reliability improvement over the 6.5 Grendel & 6arc since they use a thin walled bolt face. I don’t run my Grendel hard, as its purpose is for hunting, but I have broke a bolt before, which does yield some concern. Anyway, I can wait for you to test the 6max cartridge out as soon as production hicks out enough for testing by the tubers out there. Really looking forward to your tests, big fan of your channel and really hope this 6max takes off. Cheers🍻

Depends an awful lot on bullet construction FMJ OR NOT!Grendel can penetrate very well with 100.gr. FMJ! I'm a Grendel man 100%!

They really should have used 6.5 Grendel for the Squad Automatic Weapon LMG instead of 5.56 Nato.

Thank's for your video content which is unique. There is a catridge that's never been tested on barrier's ( i mean ever) the 224 valkyrie. Personally i think it's the only serious competition the 5.56 has. Many thank's again.

@paolosasso2189

5 ай бұрын

Grendel beats 556 in every way that matters. Size, energy at every range, wind deflection, range still supersonic, ballistic coefficient.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

​@paolosasso2189 Except it doesn't from a military perspective because Grendel bolts are weaker than 5.56 NATO bolts. The lugs break faster. Grendel doesn't feed well in full auto. Grendel also has reduced magazine capacity.

@paolosasso2189

5 ай бұрын

I don't have a select fire lower to test your supposition. I believe the BCG has since been improved. As to capacity, that is true but it seems the military itself does not care about that given its pending adopted of the M5.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

@@paolosasso2189 There is no M5. They have the SIG M7 MCX-SPEAR in 6.8x51. You don't know what you're talking about, kid.

@paolosasso2189

5 ай бұрын

@railfanningpoints2.045 bro, is very quick to judge. it was originally designated M5 and yes, changed to M7 and 6.8mm = .277. Further, why would the military be pivoting away from 556 if it performed so fabulously in Afghanistan.

Love the videos. Information and entertainment packed. You probably don't have time but i often find myself wondering what the specific firearms you're using are. Maybe a stand alone episode/s just showcasing the fireams and optics?

Subjective only based on usage. Hog 6.5 Grendel. Varmints 5.56

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

6.8 SPC is better for hogs than 6.5 Grendel

@robertrichards2934

5 ай бұрын

@@railfanningpoints2.045 well I have a 6.5 Grendel. Not buying another upper. 😂

Grendel out of an AR is still significantly flatter shooting and delivers more energy on target at further distances. You'll really see the difference open up at 300-500 yards

@yourmother3569

5 ай бұрын

Still doesn’t do nearly as good a job as .308 or similarly sized cartridges. Still not convinced it matters that much that it fits in a standard AR-15 footprint

@ISZAudio

5 ай бұрын

@@yourmother3569 well yeah, it serves a different purpose than say 6.5 Creedmoor. Out to a certain distance though, I'll happily take my Grendel over my 308. Lighter ammo to carry, lighter gun, still pretty solid ballistics without having to step up to an AR-10

@yourmother3569

5 ай бұрын

@@ISZAudio I suppose it’s up to you if those advantages are worth the extra cost, and if they are, that’s fair, but for me and many others it just doesn’t make sense.

@ISZAudio

5 ай бұрын

@@yourmother3569 it definitely is in niche applications. My Grendel is my competition gun out to about 1k yards, and it's a reasonable whitetail caliber as well. Honestly if you can only have 1 rifle and need a good do everything rifle you can't argue with the 308 though. I wouldn't recommend a Grendel unless you've got cash to burn on a dedicated build and on the ammo (which is admittedly pricey, I'm getting into handloading to mitigate that somewhat)

@davidh9659

5 ай бұрын

At 300-500 yards, the 5.56 will be shitting on the Grendel drop-wise. Grendel will drift considerably less though and retain energy better at all ranges.

You are looking at that last plate wrong. You are looking at depth instead measuring how much volume was ejected from the plate by each cartridge. Great video

@mountainhobo

5 ай бұрын

That was a penetration test, not a slapping test.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

It's a barrier penetration test. Volume is irrelevant.

Great work

Thanks 👍

*Grendel hands down* Shooting steel and game are two differentT things. The Grendel fills the gap.

Yup, I'll side with the old 5.56 on what you were doing in your tests, but I suspect the Grendel would be better down range at greater distances.

@bliksemdonder5624

5 ай бұрын

Not really, land owners won't allow this cartridge for hunting due to its failures.

@paolosasso2189

5 ай бұрын

I love my Grendel rigs, but 556 is still my go to because I have shorter barrel and more proficient with that particular rig.

Hearing his voice then seeing his face has me 🤔😂 every time!

Good scientific test Double B. ❤ The cost is a great tie breaker. 🎈🥳🎈 The 6.5 is one that I don't have. Doesn't look like I need one I guess. I would definitely like another 556 tho.

@paolosasso2189

5 ай бұрын

Trust me, Grendel outperforms 556b in all ways that matter. That being said, I'm keeping my 556 rigs with one of those being my first go to as I'm more proficient with it.

Wish you tested 90 gr 6.5 grendel.

I'm shocked! I would have bet a GRAND on the 6.5! Wow!

@motorgearhead

5 ай бұрын

I’d bet if the test had been ran at 200 yards you’d seen the 6.5G pull a head

@bliksemdonder5624

5 ай бұрын

You would loose a grand...

@motorgearhead

5 ай бұрын

@@bliksemdonder5624 - the 6.5 (123 Hornaday frontier) will be about 300+ fps faster than a 75 grn (Hornaday superformance) OTM 5.56 projectile at 200 yards but maybe the ballistics tables are wrong… so faster heavier projectile out performed by slower, lighter projectile? Yep sounds like you’re probably right.

@marktwain2053

5 ай бұрын

He only gave it to the 5.56 on cost.

The 6.5 Grendel needs at least a 22" barrel being optimal for more velocity / powder burn. It is designed for longer range use because 5.56 sheds its energy so fast being so light with poor ballistic coefficient. A higher BC retains energy longer with more mass.

Bottom line: my state don't allow deer to be taken with .22's. Sooooo, nice video!

Good stuff. Thanks! Would also like to see the PPU 6.5 Grendel 110gr FMJ tested cuz it has more velocity.

@LRRPFco52

5 ай бұрын

90gr TNT factory load from Federal is cooking. It does 2700fps from my 12” Grendel, 2900fps from my 17.6”.

@matthewbeaver5026

5 ай бұрын

​@@LRRPFco52damn! that would be up over 3100 in my 20"

@LRRPFco52

5 ай бұрын

@@matthewbeaver5026 From a 20” Lilja, the Federal 90gr TNT would do about 2963fps. A 24” would get it over 3000fps. If you want over 3000fps, shoot the 80gr Hammer Tipped Hunter.

@matthewbeaver5026

5 ай бұрын

@@LRRPFco52 seems 2.5" should net more than 63fps more. Obviously it would need tested. Paper data is only worth the paper it's wrote on.

@LRRPFco52

5 ай бұрын

@@matthewbeaver5026 It flattens out as you get further than 18”. I used an internal ballistics engine calculator specifically engineered for 6.5 Grendel, as well as all the tested load data from Hodgdon’s, Hornady, AA, etc. I’ve been crunching these numbers and doing velocity measurements with a chronograph with various Grendels since 2009.

It makes you think: What if .30-06 was adopted as 7.62×63mm NATO, and thus being further developed?🤔 What if 6.5x55mm Swedish was adopted as a NATO round, and it too kept being further developed (for the assault, or battle rifle round)?🤔

@DAH1020

5 ай бұрын

3006 is the original nato round, they cut it down to 51 it's power was to waste full.

@davidh9659

5 ай бұрын

30-06 needs more powder to get the same performance with the same bullet due to larger case volume and more powder still to squeeze out another 100-150fps. Probably not worth the added action length in fully automatic weapons and also keep in mind that the ammo is like half an inch longer and heavier too. Added powder charge doesn't do you any favor either when it comes to barrels heating up

@andrewgee241

5 ай бұрын

7.62 NATO is the further development of 30-06.

@JustPeasant

5 ай бұрын

It's parent case (.308) is .300 Savage though. Never mind. Suffice to say is that the Ruskies are working on their own equivalent of the .277 Fury.

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

​@@JustPeasantNo they're not lol.

6.5 Grendel is my go to round for most everything AR 15 related. Yep, .308 will provide better performance but out of a heavier platform. The jury is still out on the Ruger SFAR....And yes the 556 is cheaper to run but I equate the difference in cost to the old saying, How much is your and your family's life worth. This is of course my opinion. I'm curious how a 100 grain 6.5 Grendel load would compare to the 77 grain OTM 5.56 load. Keep slinging and I'll keep watching..

@railfanningpoints2.045

5 ай бұрын

Are you really this dumb lol? 5.56 NATO has dropped many over the last 60 years. Regarding keeping your family safe, the average civilian self-defense shooting distance is between 3 to 7 yards, Rambo.

I've been handloading since the introduction of smokeless powder...almost, so price doesn't matter. 223/5.56 is a good round, for what it is. The 6.5 Grendel, especially in a quality, micro-action bolt gun, is a totally different proposition. The way the .264" bullets retain velocity makes any 6.5 suitable for things the 223/5.56 simply can't handle as well, at least not with standard weight bullets.

This may be too.....off for your channel but ive always been interested in the difference in wound channels from a barrel on skin contact gunshot compaired to a bullet's wound channel. I was shot at almost contact range and it was rough, wondered how much worse it would have been if it was pushed against my abdomen....doctors seemed to believe I was lucky that I didnt experience that.

@__shifty

5 ай бұрын

you spun quite the yarn just to toot your own horn.

@off6848

3 ай бұрын

I bet the best range to get shot is the point of highest velocity and lowest amount of tumble with an over stabilized bullet with high twist barrel Clean puncture That’s why 5.45 is nasty it tumbles under 100ft

Tiebreaker was fair. 5.56 is much cheaper ($1 round, wow)

@redfaux74

5 ай бұрын

70 cents where I live. Fleet Farm. ❤ Cabelas is 35% higher in price for everything. Same with Scheels.

@Futon_III

5 ай бұрын

@@redfaux74 Mills fleet farm

Great show!!! Michael Herrell

I realize ballistic gel is expensive, but if you want to truly see the difference between the two. That’s why Grendel can take medium to large game and .223/5.56 is a varmint round. Yes, I realize there are rounds that are an exemption.

Great comparison as always. Could you compare 6.8 spc to both of these rounds as well as 300 bo and .308?

One is for hunting game, the other is for defending against soft (human) targets.

@LRRPFco52

5 ай бұрын

One does better at both and retaining energy at distance, while also perfuming extremely well at hit probability at distance. My 12” Grendel shoots 90gr TNT at 2700fps. Imagine getting hit with that in the house or across the street. Even with a 20” barrel AR-15 in 5.56, you will never get a 90gr to 2700fps. Grendel does it from 12” with 10,000psi less chamber pressure.

6.5 Grendel is cool because it uses a standard AR15 lower. Much lighter than an AR10. It’s a super cool round. It’s one I reload. Carries way more energy long distance than 5.56. Stupid accurate too.

Great video!!!! Why chose between, just have both.

Quite a few cartridges were created to try to replace the 5.56/223 but none have succeeded. The US Army evaluated all of them but none met the requirements to replace the 5.56/223. If one is ever found, it will catch on like crazy in the civilian market.

@Twargan

5 ай бұрын

Isn't that what the .277 Fury is supposed to be?

@PassivePortfolios

5 ай бұрын

@@Twargan the 277 Fury has already been discarded by the US Army because it failed to meet certain standards.

@GeorgiaBoy1961

5 ай бұрын

You're correct, but it isn't only performance which is being measured, but sunk costs, the economics and hassle of replacing a long-serving service rifle and cartridge combination, etc. There have been plenty of high-performance cartridges which have met or exceeded the DOD/Pentagon performance criteria, but they didn't go all-in on them for a variety of reasons, most of which are financial or other factors. The 6mm ARC, 6.5 Grendel, and 6.8 SPC are all excellent cartridges which outperform 5.56/.223 in different ways, but Big Green hasn't gone for them. It's sort of strange that the Pentagon bean-counters cite cost as a factor, since they never seem to have that problem when some expensive high-tech system is proposed... but all of a sudden, they get stingy when it is time to equip the grunts. The 5.56x45mm AR platform has enough advantages that it will probably be around for years to come, at least in some manner.

@reddune6185

5 ай бұрын

It checks all the boxes, probably why Akms now use a similar cartridge.

@GeorgiaBoy1961

5 ай бұрын

@@reddune6185 - Didn't Serbia or someone adopt 6.5 Grendel as a military round?

🇺🇸

@rob6850

5 ай бұрын

🤘🏻

Anyone who has ever driven nails by hand for a living knows without a doubt that speed is way more important for punching wholes than weight. The faster you strike a nial with the hammer, the less likely it is to bend and not sink in. The smaller the nail, the more important it becomes.

I have both the 6.5 and 5.56. In my mind the 6.5 optimizes the AR platform and what you get is a cartridge that gives you a 75% 308 out of an AR15 platform. What I mean by that is you get similar velocities of a 308 but with bullets weighing 75% of the 308 bullets. Because of the higher BCs, the 6.5 will deliver flatter trajectories than the 308 (and also the 5.56). The 6.5 fills a nitch, it’s the answer to the question: how closely can I replicate 308 performance in an AR15 platform.

@LRRPFco52

5 ай бұрын

If we took the Grendel back in time and showed it to Stoner, I think he would be very happy with it for the AR-15.