Thanks for the overwhelming response to this video, as well as our other videos on The Real Gunsmith Channel! We appreciate your comments and questions. Due to the volume of the questions and some which would take some time to answer, we are considering doing a follow-up to address those questions. Our first priority is to our paying clients. Writing out long answers would take time away from that, and I won’t put them “on hold” to post long answers here. Our filming schedule is every 2-3 weeks and there are other videos already being edited for publication, roughly one a week. Be patient and I’ll address your valid questions and concerns. For our detractors, we appreciate your difference of opinion, too, but I stand by my decades of experience. Technology is great. But it doesn’t change physics, or in my opinion, common sense. So you may not like my follow-up video any better than this one. Stay tuned, and again, thanks! God bless you all.

@victorwaddell6530

6 жыл бұрын

The Real Gunsmith I respect your decision to put your first emphasis on your paying customers . That you produce videos for free and basically give away your knowledge tells that you are a gift to the shooting community . Your paying customers are also contributing to our community with their dollars . We should thank you and all of them . If I ever wanted to have a custom rifle built I'd put you on the top I'm my list of makers .

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

From Cathy, Randy's wife: Thanks! We appreciate you making time to comment and understand! We really had no idea that this would get so "big" though the great guy that does the video work and editing told us it would! Good shooting and God bless!

@Scuba11000

6 жыл бұрын

I never understood the hype about the Creedmore. It does nothing that the 6.5x55 has not done and can't do better for 100 years. Personally I'll stick with the swede

@Skipcarey

6 жыл бұрын

Im new to shooting long range but I am a machinist, is this a safety issue?Or will the ammo just not go in the rifle?

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

That's a good question Ralph Carey. Thanks for asking. Yes, it can be a safety issue. With this or any ammo/rifle it becomes a safety issue if the round has to be forced into the chamber which could cause discharge, or after being forced can't be extracted and isn't fired. Always use safe practices in this or any caliber. Good shooting.

I had a factory savage 6.5 creedmoor shoot 3/8" groups with factory hornady ammunition. Spent less than 1000 on the rifle scope and mounts killed a few deer with excellent results gave it to my brother for a Christmas present a few years ago. Its still shooting tiny groups and killing deer. Best money I ever spent on a rifle accuracy wise. I've spent thousands on rifles and scopes and nothing has beat it yet.

How am I just now finding this channel? The wealth of knowledge this man possesses is hard to find.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard bpmiller87. You can watch the other 30+ and stay tuned. We are, on average, posting 4 a month. Subscribe for notifications. And good shooting!

You remind me of my father... He loved guns, shooting and hunting. I love watching your videos. Trying to learn as much as I can. Thank You!

He seems like a very honest respectful person. Very down to Earth

@johnwalker863

5 ай бұрын

Same here

Thanks for the info Randy, this is something everyone in the market for 6.5 Ceedmoore should know,I will pass your message forward. Thank You!!

Very informative. I was skeptically expecting another rant but it is nice to hear from someone with actual understanding and knowledge about all aspects of gunsmithing. I learned quite a lot.

Thanks for taking the time to do this little PSA.. it is much appreciated

America’s so lucky to have men with such knowledge as this man! The type of person I’d trust to build all my Rifles! Fact👌

I love this channel. It's like if Chris Bartucci talked about ballistics.

was thinking about getting the ruger in 6.5. i am glad i did extensive research and questioning. i am grateful to have found your site.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH sir, for providing this information for us!! I’ve been researching a lot, and damn near came that close to buying a rifle chambered in the Creedmoor!! I will definitely be holding off on that idea. THANKS AGAIN SIR!! 👍

My Savage in 6.5 is jammed into rifling at 2.875 with 140ELD. And that “dummy round” will fit in my AI pattern accurate mag. So far it has fit and fed Hornady, Winchester, and Starline without any issues. Whatever issues existed seem to have been addressed.

Just experienced the same issue with a Savage Axis. I am a fairly experienced reloader and had to trim and full length resize some 6.5 brass before the empty cases would even work through the action. Gun isn't grouping well either but it may be a different problem- still working my way through the possibilities. Anyway excellent video-very informative.

Looks like everything works fine now, everyone must've heard the message! My 6.5 TC COMPASS works great. All Ammo fits

Thanks Randy, this was very eye opening and very concerning. Thanks for you knowledge and experience.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

I am glad you found the information helpful. Good shooting!

Love my 6.5 Creedmore, wouldn't trade it for anything. Owned a 270 and 30-06, but prefer the 6.5. I believe everyone has to choose the gun that fits your style, there are no wrong choices. The ammo I pick up otc is all I need, it's already match grade.

@tiputipu777

2 жыл бұрын

Whats a 6.5 creedmore? Sounds like 6.5 needmore

@velie

2 жыл бұрын

@Dick Dick Like what? I don't know anyone who is hunting big game with the wrong gun? They're are some that believe a 6.5 Creed shouldn't be used for elk. That's laughable though since a 6.5 caliber has been used successfully on elk forever.

@titomish5914

Жыл бұрын

@@tiputipu777 I’m sure your 50bmg does just fine on doe hunting

@EatingWild

Жыл бұрын

​​​​@@velie can you take an elk with a 6.5 yes. Would it be my first choice absolutely not. Especially past 300 yards. 7mm-08 would be better option honestly. I've seen people lose elk all good shots but lacked the energy. 6.5 is an excellent option for deer size and down. But if n a pinch can take an elk if you get close enough. It was designed to be a target caliber. People love to throw fake facts on it like it's magic when it's definitely not. Much more better options out there. I even own and load for the creed. The 6.5 PRC would be a better option for elk but have even seen those struggle against bears

Thank you very much Mr Randy, I am a mechanical engineer here in Barcelona, Spain and I have been dedicated professionally has developed vehicles and all the tools needed to make each component. For a little over 20 years I have been fond of guns and now with fifty are my passion, unfortunately here I can not touch any weapon that is my property to correct some other defect... This type of task must be made by a master gunsmith, or someone like you here in Spain are very few and unfortunately already have a very advanced age... The alternative that many gun vendors have done is to pick up some mechanic to give them some basic course and get out of the precarious situation. I wish God had given me the opportunity to be able to dedicate those 25 years that I devoted to the automotive sector and have learned from you everything I could. Well is what there is, thanks for your channel and "In Dreams " I can imagine what it is to work with what really is your passion... A great greeting, Mr. Randy.

@TheRealGunsmith

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment. We can't imagine that time of government overreach but know there are forces that would truly like that form of control here. Best wishes and good shooting!!

Truer words have ever been spoken. Thanks for sharing your videos and keep them coming please.

Wow! Words from a wise gunsmith. I am always fascinated and have enormous respect for those who have dedicated themselves fanatically to one thing and become a master of their craft. Wise words and have subscribed to your channel.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you David H! We appreciate you and everyone else that are subscribing. Stay tuned and good shooting.

@johnb1448

6 жыл бұрын

They don't make guys like him anymore!!

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

From Randy's wife Cathy: You are mostly correct, but I know a few young men [and women] that give me hope!

I will just stick with my 7mm mag I'm not jumping on the 6.5 Creedmoor bandwagon this guy is Simply Amazing keep up the good work...

@H43339

4 жыл бұрын

@@rogerpodactor2755 what are you talking about, it's a cartridge, you don't sound very smart with comments like that.

@davidlayne8755

3 жыл бұрын

I jump on the wagon and now I'm thinking i must have been mad at my own ass... I have lots of rifles that will group better and with less trouble.. The creedmoor has chamber issues all brass is not perfect it just shows up more in the creedmoor. A lot of army shooters use a 260 because of it...in time when word gets out someone will fix the problem

@Mikael5732

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah man! That 7mm mag is one powerful hitting round.

Thank you for this information. I have had a few issues with my Ruger American in 6.5, thank you

Lapua is right on. But that is why I anneal, full length size and check total length and neck, and head space for my gun. Too bad these companies don't care enough regarding safety. Thank you for this info

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your comment Michael Anderson. You are following a good plan.

Thanks Randy for this informative video.I bought a Savage 12 from Cabelas before Christmas and about 8 different factory loads at the same time,so far no problems.Just subscribed to your channel, keep up the good work!

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joseph Parker. Good shooting!

I agree the manufacturer should be held accountable for there products for the price they should be perfect

Found the same problem with 300 Win Mag Hornady cases in South Africa. Thank you Randy.

Excellent video! Priceless advice from you sir. It is a shame that hardly any business , big or small are not held accountable and don't care to be!

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you kind sir! We appreciate your comment and for watching. Good shooting!

I have heard about problems with the 6.5 crdmr, same thing you talked about in this video. I was going to get one, but i usually target shoot to just 600, and my 308W does a good enough job. Great video, and knowledge.

@jjthefed

2 жыл бұрын

Too many unnecessary calibers out there today. If we stuck with what we had pre-2000 with maybe the exception of the Military's 6.8 Remington, the world would be a better place. My 0.002 worth.

Hi. Great video, your wisdom is appreciated very much. I had a few Ruger RPR barrels made (Sammi spec for the 140ELD, and Lapua Scenar 136 otm), by JC Custom barrels, up in Canada. He made very similar comments to yours. He went through at least four reamers to find the correct throat finish, despite using reputable brands. Now, I run the 136 OTM Scenars in Lapua Creedmoor brass,(from fire formed Lapua factory ammo), trimmed tp Sammi specs. CCI small primers, Vitavoui, at 2960fps muzzle velocity @ 20c, sea level. I headspace to spec with Forester Sammi go/no-gogauges, and jump one and a half thou to the lands. The one issue I had with the Ruger RPR's, was the inconsistency of the bolt faces; of the six I've built, all of them required bolt face lapping of at least one and a half thousandth to true. (Ruger-Winchester 1-1 1/6-tight bolt face lapping jig, from PTG) It's been my personal experience that my Lapua Creedmoor brass requires sizing & necking after every shot, trimming every 2nd use, annealing after every 3rd use, and doughnut trimming after the 7th or 8th use. Primer pockets are still holding on some brass after 19 reloads. Hornady brass, regardless of where it was made, has always been very inconsistent for me too, in size, weight, volume, hardness & uniformity.

There is a great 6.5 already around it’s called the 6.5x 55 Swedish.

@flighttherapybullisticfpv133

4 жыл бұрын

Ya but its not new with a fancy name and as we all know, that negatively effects ballistics in 2020 hahaha

@captainpegs07

4 жыл бұрын

Or 264 Win Mag if you really want to get things done with 6.5mm.

@klabner71

4 жыл бұрын

6.5x55 is a fine rifle I have one hunt anything I want

@scottbuckley6578

4 жыл бұрын

Awesome round a flat shooting I can hit 700 yards all day out of my AG42B

@adamhymas4620

3 жыл бұрын

The 6.5x55 Swede is less desirable for a few reason... 1. Factory ammo is loaded on the weak side 2. Less available factory ammo, especially target/match loadings 3. US made brass is generally incorrect in dimensions and will only last 2-3 reloading 4. Long action for little velocity increase, and only when going over recommended load data 5. If you want anything other than a hunting barrel profile, it needs to be custom

I gotta say that I believe I am listening to a one of a kind , they dont make em like this anymore type of gentleman. Thank you for your knowledge. I really wish I had someone to learn this stuff from first hand. Keep up the good work.

Great video thanks for bringing this issue out.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

You are welcome. Thanks for watching! We appreciate it.

I've got some brass to check...Thank you for the information.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

You are welcome, Jarrett Nash.

it sounds like he is being held captive lol

@Rob-pq1bk

3 жыл бұрын

@@Michael-ii9fs Nah it definitely looks like he's got guns pointed at him behind the camera lmfao

@philipboardman1357

3 жыл бұрын

7mm-08 and .260 bois holding him captive.

@guitaristxcore

3 жыл бұрын

@@philipboardman1357 🤣

@MF-Rell

3 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@QuarkyPotato

3 жыл бұрын

that's cuz he doesn't fill the empty space in his sentences with um's, uh's, and like's.

Lots of these issues are not specific to 6.5 Creedmoor, but it is totally relevant, I have seen some of these issues in other chamber offerings, but mainly in newer case designs. Thanks for the video.

Very well said, thank you so much for the great information.

If you don't mind me asking what brand reamer and head space gauges have you found to be correct? Thanks.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

VDC Firearms, I used a PTG gauge and a PTG reamer that I special ground with .260 length throat measured from the case mouth to .256 diameter taper of throat.

Finally a true gunsmith . SEMPER FI SIR . thank you for not being commercialized. The sheeple just don't understand . It renewed my faith in mankind to actually here the truth for a change .thank you !

@TheRealGunsmith

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir! We truly appreciate you watching and taking the time to comment. Thanks for your service, it is men and women like you that renew our faith in mankind, "Believing in something even if it means sacrificing everything!" God bless from Randy and Cathy +JMJ+

I've never had any issues with my 6.5. I don't have this man's knowledge of firearms, but I've never had a deer complain about any shortcomings. And to me, that's what it's all about.

@cbsbass4142

2 жыл бұрын

I have a 6.5, but it's a .260 Remington.

@EatingWild

Жыл бұрын

Wonderful deer round. But people think it's the best option for elk which isn't true

@ronaldmayle1823

Жыл бұрын

@@EatingWild That's right.

Right on Randy I bought my ruger only for it to sit in my safe because of that dang brass problem, I went with my calipers only to find out exactly what you are saying,

Sounds too complicated. I'll stick to 7.62x51 Works just fine.

@davidgunther1282

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

Awesome video ... was about to purchase a 655 but was uneasy on lots of conflicting reports, decided on a .308 instead ... then just found your video, feeling happy ... thanks boss, I always defer to the knowledgeable... 😎

@ratedredneck96

4 жыл бұрын

should have went 6.5. this guy is talking about a super slim margin of guns and from a long time ago when the creedmoor was first being developed. I have a 6.5 and it has shot remington, hornady, winchester, just fine not a problem at all. he is the only guy that has said anything really bad about 6.5 and i think its because its so much better than .308 and hes upset it whoops a grandfather round. he also says 6.5 isnt a long distance hunting round but i watched a 6.5 take an elk down complete pass through at 600 yards. complete pass through! the elk was dead in under a minute and didnt run far at all. 6.5 is a fantastic round, he must make a bad gun and swears he doesnt and wants to blame somebody else. its sorta suspicious when hes blaming like every brass company there is and says that the brass sucks when i or anybody that bought factory ammunition that i know of has complained about. you can get factory loads that wont fit because they are ran hot and the bullet is a tad too long but i have not seen any other person make this claim against the 6.5 creedmoor.

@sauerkrautjr

3 жыл бұрын

@@ratedredneck96 exactly. Millions of rounds of 6.5 Creedmoor have gone off in the field and in PRS matches without issue. Nobody's talking about it because it's not an issue lol

Thank you for your honest review!

This is vital information if you are investing a lot in your hunting or competition rifle. This is just fantastic that such information is now well know. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and knowledge with the rest of the people out there.

Have shot 5 different factory ammo companys out of my 6.5 creedmoor ruger. I have never had a issue, almost 600 rounds and no issue. But mine is also only a year old. Maybe its older ones that have the issues.

New Subscriber here! Thanks for this excellent discussion on the Creed. Much to be aware of.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much! Good shooting.

Randy, thank you for this info. You are very talented and knowledgeable in your work. I purchased a 6.5 Creedmore Thompson Center Compass and bought Lapua brass. I have not experienced any of these issues. I learned my lesson on Hornady brass on 6.5 Grendel. Hornady brass is junk, I will not buy anymore. I buy PPU if Lapua doesn’t offer brass in the cartridge I need as I have many old military Mauser, Enfield’s, and Swiss rifles. I load over 25 different cartridges. I have experienced these issues in old 7.5mm Swiss (zero throat) and 7mm Mauser rifles with inconsistent head spacing. Thank you, I love your videos keep them coming.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for sharing your experience, Leroy Jenkins.

Could listen all day. Keep the videos coming. Respect 👍🏼

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much. We do have more coming, already filmed. Plans to film more. We truly appreciate you and all of our supporters, followers, and subscribers. Good shooting!

Great notes. +1 the throats are too long. I started handloading close to the lands assuming that would work best. Then I brought everything back to 2.820 and cut my groups sizes and velocity SDs down by a significant margin. I see no need for either a huge jump to the rifling or for seating the bullets that far out.

@amorton94

5 жыл бұрын

@kamphwagon1 What are you on about? He said nothing about SD not being important. He said that when he reduced his overall length that it reduced his group size and SD. Are you replying to something that is just flat out not there?

@Choronzon39

5 жыл бұрын

Are we talking CBTO?

@H43339

4 жыл бұрын

Social Regressive , where are you getting 2.820" ? I am assuming that is Max, C.O.L. ? My Hornady Reloading Manual 9th edition calls for 2.800 " Maximum C.O.L. Where are you and Randy getting 2.820" ?.

@joelodjick230

4 жыл бұрын

@@H43339 The manual might say that but if 2.820 fits in your mag and shoots better in your rifle, send it.

nice to know Sir. thank you for that information... will tell my son to watch your video. he's a gun smith also . we had been considering getting 6-5 Creedmoor ourselves with all the hype... I think we're going to hold off now and look into this.... not that I do not believe you...

Great info thank you for letting us know!

An informative video from a knowledgeable craftsman! Thanks!

Wow! It's good to hear from someone that pays attention to the details! Remington 260 has been my favorite cartridge for quite awhile, although I was recently coerced into having a 6.5cm built. It sounds like I have some caliper work to do before hauling it to the range - thank you!

@ratedredneck96

4 жыл бұрын

Hes not talking about modern brass, its a bunch of original test brass that were cut long and gave a few issues. The whole issue is he doesnt seem to account that bullets can be refined and redone, i bet his OG brass is nothing like what is being produced now. He needs to get back up to date and try it out again and see how many improvements have been made with the round. Hes old news, literally.

@arkoutarkout3654

2 жыл бұрын

@@ratedredneck96 I don't get that info from this vid ?

@ratedredneck96

2 жыл бұрын

@@arkoutarkout3654 its where he says the brass measurements were inconsistent and differed from brand to brand, i was explaining why they were different sizes so people dont just run with this guys info and makes their decision based on what he said. He almost guaranteed just had old test brass where they were honing in the best shoulder and neck height and either doesnt want to acknowledge its not the final brass and hes trying to short change the round or he juat simply doesnt know what hes got and is still spreading false information blindly. 6.5 creedmoor was designed to be a precision cartridge for competition shooting, explain to me how any bullet manufacturer would allow that kind of lack of tollerance on a competition designed cartridge? And besides it wouldnt be the rifles fault and hes using it as a premis to say the 6.5 is a bad rifle.

This explains everything

@wetodddid9941

3 жыл бұрын

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH

Good show. thanks for sharing.

Thank you sir for this information. Love your channel! I was going to buy a 6.5 Creedmoor but I think I’ll stick with the tried and true .308 Winchester. Keep it up please! We need more wise knowledge and advice in this day and age.

Love to hear a man that knows from experience what he is talking about. Tnx Randy.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

I have a ruger in 6.5 creed and I have shot a number of different brands of ammo and never had a problem plus it's been super accurate for me. I dont see the problem there

@nique_3036

2 жыл бұрын

Same experiences with my DD DELTA in 6.5 creedmoor

@richschafer3354

2 жыл бұрын

The real 6.5 was 6.5 carcano , 6.5 swedish, 6.5 mag

@sra3832

2 жыл бұрын

Because everyone can make a video and say BS and put it on youtube.

@josephduncan9426

Жыл бұрын

It holds true with any brand of bullets. I have a 6.5 and I have a .308. I have to buy certain ammo for my .308 and my 6.5 it all depends on what I'm shooting that day and how far. I never understood why people bad mouth this caliber. Ever since 8t came on market it has been the step child of bullets.

@kentuckywindage222

Жыл бұрын

@@richschafer3354 The real .30 was the 30-40 Kraig 130gr at 2740 fps. Which is close to 6.5 creed. Use what is legal and you choose. That's the great thing about America. All outdoorsman should be fighting the leftist full stun take your gun. Instead of each other. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

Thank you for your service and valued knowledge this problem is a known issue and fact 👍

Byjiggedy-do I just knew that I couldn't outdo my good old 308 ifn I was to get a 6.5 Creed more! I absolutely believe every word this experienced dedicated master gunsmith has spoken in this regard. Thank you for your expertise and honest report from your Long history of gunbuilding.

Have 2 6.5s Kimber m 84 Hunter and a howa 1500 can't swap ammo ! Wtf been reloading 4 45 years this is a problem never experienced before glad somebody else has noticed

@njhimself

3 жыл бұрын

This happens to me in a few of my rifles. My Howa 7mm Rem Mag. Fire forms cases that don't fit my Mauser being the worst fit.

Alrighty then. I wasn't so hot on the idea of some new-fangled mess anyhow.

I've got all I need to hear about this subject. I'm currently in the market for a Creedmoor chambered rifle & I'm so glad I decided to check ole Randy's experience. The only thing I'm thinking now is, to make sure my rifle is chambered just as ole Randy states & go from there. Haaaaaaa, what a breath of fresh air. Truth from experience & all without the B.S. You spoil us Randy. Kind Regards..............Rotas2012.

Randy, thank you for the vid! I was thinking of buying a rifle in this caliber, I do not reload, and I was not aware of this problem. Luckily, I have other rifles to shoot, while component manufacturers sort their quality control issues.

@joshjamesguitar

2 жыл бұрын

It's literally a non issue

I've had the exact same issue with 300WSM with Winchester brass more than once. Switch to norma not one problem reload 257bee, 300WSM, 30-06, 6.5 creedmoor, 243Win, 270win,

Haven't had an issue with my Savage 110 precision shooting creedmoor...

I bought and sold one of those things after it first came out. It lost its accuracy after no more than 200 rounds. Didn't take long for me to realize that these things are way too picky for my likings. Now I'm getting the skinny from the Real Gunsmith. Still saving every video that Mr. Selby makes because he tells it like it is. I'll never buy another 6.5 Creedmoor in any brand. You're the man Mr. Selby.

@TheRealGunsmith

9 ай бұрын

Thank you! We appreciate your following and so many comments and input! Good shooting, Jim.

This reminds me of the time i bought a early 6.8 spc ar15 used and had to perform a eugene stoner head bang to eject the cartridge. I bought silver state ammunition horandy and other brands. The barrel that came with it was a lemon so i replaced it with a stag arms barrel and still had the same issues. Amazingly American eagle cycled fine along with handloads. I sold it.

Thank you Randy. Very informative. Trying to choose between 300 Win Mag or 6.5 Creedmoor..never knew of these issues.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

You are welcome, Jeffrey! I am glad this has helped. As you can tell, I'd pick the .300 Win. Mag. every time! Good shooting!!

@bryonworthen8247

6 жыл бұрын

Randy talks about the 7mm Rem Mag here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/pGyHldmRdpy-dNY.html

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bryon Worthen. Hhhhmmm, I think you should know. ;)

@500spectre

6 жыл бұрын

I'v shot both the 300wm and 6.5cm. I went with the 6.5cm. If someone can do a correct build, i would go with the 6.5. Both have long range capabilities and both should have enough energy for most applications. The 6.5 will have less recoil if on the same weight gun. If your looking for a 18lbs bench gun it isn't a big issue, but a 8lbs rifle that you have to carry in the field, there is going to be a bit of recoil difference.

@verteup

5 жыл бұрын

Comparing 300 win mag to 6.5cm is apples to oranges. One is a magnum round and the other isn't. One comes with magnum recoil and the other doesn't. They don't even shoot the same weight bullets. 300 win mag doesn't have a long enough neck. It was flawed when they released it and it has remained flawed. I have no idea how you got your choices down to those two cartridges. That's like saying "Ive decided to either buy a Ferrari with a major engine flaw or a Ford f150 with a 300 straight six". The two can't even be compared.

Interesting. I have 4, 6.5CMs, custom built and commercially available, none of have issues you suggest. I'd pay more attention if you'd specify your reamer dimensions.

@Thamac15

5 жыл бұрын

Dean Gebhardt Do you have more than 2k rounds through each? Probably less than 300 each.

@H43339

5 жыл бұрын

@@Thamac15 what difference does that make ?

@brettstewart6036

4 жыл бұрын

David Mccann good question mate 🤙🤙

Usually w new brass I full length resize em/trim to length before loading em. Is this sufficient???

I experienced this with a CVA Cascade, chambered in .300 wm. 7 out a box of 20 wouldn't chamber. I contacted Winchester about their ammo, and while they would make good on replacing it. It was more trouble to me than it seemed worth it. I really feel like the quality control of just about everything in the current world we live in has majorly declined over time. Anyways thank you Randy for your time and sharing your knowledge.

I've been watching your videos, and while I don't agree with everything, I appreciate your honesty and sharing your wisdom. It's very helpful. Having said that, myself and my father and brother have been shooting the 6.5 creed since about 2010. I've dealt with 4 different rifles from 4 different manufatures(the 4th being one that I built myself with a savage action) and many different lots of brass we've never experienced any such problems as you've stated here nor have I heard of it. Not saying it doesn't happen occasionally, but I don't think it's as big of an issue as your making it out to be. Just an opinion.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for taking time to respond, Garrett. Besides what I've observed, and heard from others. Currently in a store in FL they have had to return a Ruger Hawkeye and a Precision rifle that would not accept the new Hornady virgin brass, Hornady Amax 140 ammo and Federal Trophy Bonded ammo. They are still not to the bottom of it. It is not the norm, of course, as you and many others on here have pointed out. I felt it should be brought up. Thanks for your input, again, and good shooting!

@lrshooterofnh7843

6 жыл бұрын

The Real Gunsmith still good to know and thanks for bringing it up. Keep the videos coming! Hard to come by someone who actually has some ethics for hunting!

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks! I appreciate your comment. That is why I've been encouraged to do the videos. A new one out today. Good shooting!

Thank you! I already heard about the brass issue from several people.

@smiffythecat3751

4 жыл бұрын

Thinking the same. Some say this brass works for this gun, other brass won't and. Sounds like he has it figured.

very good explanation

Hi Randy I just finished watching your video on the 6.5 creedmoor issues. I have a question about C.O.L. Several times you mentioned a finished loaded round with a C.O.L. of 2.820 ". According to my Hornady handbook of cartridge reloading 9th Edition the Maximum C.O.L is 2.800". I am not reading or hearing or understanding something right ?

Thanks a lot Sir for the information.really helpful. Subscribe !

Your video was interesting. I have two Savage 6.5 Creedmoors and have been using Hornady Brass and have had no issues. I know though if you got a bad reamer when you ordered so could others. I hope not to find these problems while shooting my 6.5 Creedmoors. BTW they both shoot great, fine groups under .5 in at 100 yd. I reload myself because most factory ammo just does not shoot all that great consistently.

Wow! Randy has 10x more tools than I got! I'm mostly a car and home improvement guy, guns is a smaller side hobby. But still, impressive workshop you got there!

Funny but I had the same problem with my 308 Henry long range. I used all factory loads, and a few manufactures cartridges didn't function properly in my rifle. Sent it back to Henry. They worked on it and I have it now. Verdict is still not out. Will be testing it out soon. Thanks for this video. Food for thought.

Headspace dimension errors in brass would be corrected by sizing, no? I don't understand the issue, sorry.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

John Goode, thanks for asking. Some brass is so long in headspace that the die won't correct it without modifying the die. And factory ammo not fitting in various makes and models of rifles is not a die issue. If someone has dies they are not too apt to buy factory ammo to use. If they are buying factory ammo they aren't too apt to have dies.

@ny6u

6 жыл бұрын

you should ALWAYS pre-gauge all your brass and stay within the cartridge maximum COL dimensions. I never fire un-gauged ammo !

@krisgreenwood5173

5 жыл бұрын

If in doubt, run the brass through your resizer. Yes, it's an extra step. But, with pre loaded ammo, this may be an issue.

@loydmccoy1152

5 жыл бұрын

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@G5Hohn

4 жыл бұрын

The Real Gunsmith excellent point and I know that Bolt Action Reloading channel had a problem where his Lee die wouldn’t bump the shoulder because it bottomed out on the shell plate. Die issue? Or reamer issue? Hmm. Not coincidentally, Hornady die didn’t have this issue. My Forster sizer in 6.5 has worked perfectly. Tiny gap off the shell plate gives 0.002 shoulder bump and 0.004 neck tension.

Good info to have, maybe I should reconsider the ol' 25-06 instead of getting a 6.5CR. Not a long distance shooter anyhow.

@wiseguysoutdoors2954

3 жыл бұрын

The hell it isn't a long range shooter!@ Creedmoor is a 1,000 yd match!!@

Thank you for your Honesty

I just ran into this problem today, federal ammo would not load into my rifle or my friends rifle. The shoulder was not pushed back enough and hitting in the chamber

Thank you for solving my internal debate on wether to build a 308 or 6.5. Subscribed.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

You are welcome. And thanks for watching and subscribing. We appreciate it!

@Trigger_32

6 жыл бұрын

The Real Gunsmith Thank you for sharing your vast knowledge and wisdom. Keep up the hard work and great videos. Wish I lived closer so I could have you build me a rifle.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

michaelaiman1, thanks. I have built custom rifles for clients in every state and two other countries, so don't let distance hold you back. I offer a wide range of custom rifles to suit the client's desires and wallet. I'll be glad to work with you. wwwrandyscustomrifles.com

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

WOW...you didn't listen very closely as Randy never said it stopped him from building a 6.5 If that is what a client wants, that is what the client gets. Period. I relistened as I was sure he didn't say that. Sure enough, he didn't. Hone up on your listening skills with comprehension. By Cathy +JMJ+

@Sean-oc6kf

6 жыл бұрын

Single Sucks isn't talking to Randy, he's talking to Michaelaiman1.

This is valuable info from a pro. I cannot believe 36 people disliked like this video.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jim Harding! To each their own. Those who have left comments in disagreement seem to do so either from not listening to the entire video, not hearing if they did, or in disbelief and think I am not smart enough to know what I am talking about. I think I poked a sacred cow. ;) And just because someone hasn't had a problem, doesn't mean there hasn't been. I know what I know. I am not going to worry about the detractors. The overwhelming response has been very positive and I a grateful and humbled. We totally appreciate all of the "Likes" "Subscribes" "Shares" and comments. Positive or not. We've only blocked one commentor for not only being rude in his disagreement, but nasty. Nasty won't fly.

@500spectre

6 жыл бұрын

The guy is probably correct on the issues he has encountered. I don't think it as wide spread or as big of problem as he leads on, and that is where i think some of the dislikes have come from.

Man your a wealth of knowledge -seems as though the degra6of societal norms is even reaching into what should be a tightly controlled and monitored industry. Building a 6.5 cm as I watched this, I'll be checking all new brass from this point forward. Much appreciated -God bless you Sir!

Thanks for the info, is there some kind of Go No Go cartridge checker?

I was teaching the Canadian Firearms Safety Course this weekend and one of the students was telling me he bought a new bolt action rifle and two boxes of Fusion ammunition for it. Not sure of the make and model of rifle, but it was in .270 WSM caliber. He said he could barely lock the bolt on a loaded chamber with that ammunition and he tried ammunition from both boxes. One of his friends also had a rifle in .270 WSM and when he tried to close the bolt with that ammunition, he couldn't close it. It looks like this isn't just a 6.5 Creed problem. When new ammunition doesn't fit in two different rifles, and one of the rifles had never experienced this problem. You're right. Federal better look at their quality control process. It's not like .270 WSM is a new caliber either. I wonder how many other calibers are reporting this problem.

@vincentstafford1394

5 жыл бұрын

Have a buddy with 270 wsm same problem

i'd rather buy a 260 rem if that's the case.....

I was looking to buy one. thank for the information.

Great information, thanks!

The 308 Winchester. Breaking hearts since 1952 and still kicking. ;)

@savage5128

5 жыл бұрын

Tell'm again. 308 all day.

@jjsemperfi

5 жыл бұрын

.308 is a great cartridge. No one is saying it sucks. I can tell you without a doubt that the 6.5 CM will do exactly what the .308 does but with less recoil and less wind drift and drop. I own both. Why isn’t that an option. You don’t have to pick one and drive the other out of town.

@rugeryeti460

5 жыл бұрын

JJ find me a 6.5 creedmoor round with a 175 grain bullet.

@jjsemperfi

5 жыл бұрын

Ruger Yeti Well if all you want is mass then obviously go with the larger caliber.

@jjsemperfi

5 жыл бұрын

Butt Horn.270 Get off it. Sick of hearing about the .270. Yes it works but just because it was made popular by one man doesn’t mean it the bees knees.

I'll stick with the old tried and true 308 Winchester, it seems to have worked very well for many years.

@thewatcher611

2 жыл бұрын

.30 cal for me, .30-06, .308, Smaller lighter bullets don't impress me. Yet, I still want to take a deer with my .45 Colt Redhawk....

thank you sir I just subscribed to your Channel because of this video love the information keep it up

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

Thank you Sir. Stay tuned! We so appreciate our followers.

Thanks for sharing!

Myself and those I know who also own the 6.5 creedmoor haven't had one issue. Guess were just lucky.

I never had a desire to own a 6.5 creedmoor, I’m still using my old 30/06, 7mm, and my newest purchase was a model 70 Winchester in 243, that’s enough caliber for this guy. Very interesting video, no offence but this video was kind of like listening to my grandpa speak about firearms. I am definitely subscribing.

@TheRealGunsmith

6 жыл бұрын

From Cathy, his wife: That was NOT offensive, no matter your age, to compare listening to this to your grandpa. That was quite a compliment to us. Thanks for that and for subscribing. We truly appreciate it! Good shooting!

Thank you so much for this video very informative !

Does the same follow with the 6.8spc or the 6.5 Grendal?