One of the most interesting things about Robert's telling of the Emett Till story is that he never learned about it in his public school education. I'm just a few years older and grew-up in Memphis, TN. In the Black community, the story of Emmett Till was part of the histories told and taught. Ironically, the efforts in states like Florida to control historical narratives by deleting these types of stories will perpetuate the "lost causes" of white supremacy.

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

That's not irony. It's the goal.

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

I can’t speak for schools & cities outside of where I grew up, but I absolutely learned about that horrific murder in my 8th grade social studies class in the early 1990s. Medgar Evers, too.

@elbryant1226

10 ай бұрын

@@makejesusgreatagain7220 I agree

@Justanotherconsumer

10 ай бұрын

@@patrickc3419I didn’t. First real “we were the bad guys” moment I learned about was The Trail of Tears, and that was not until high school. We leave those parts out of what we teach kids.

@adamrshields

10 ай бұрын

@@Justanotherconsumer The first Cherokee person killed in gathering people for the Trail of Tears happened a few miles from my house. I did not grow up around here, but the only reason I found out was because there was a marker of it on Pokemon Go. Around the same time, I started working on my ancestry and realized that both my wife and my family had ancestors that "won" land in the land lottery that was a result of the trail of tears. I knew that an ancestor received a land grant as part of his payment for fighting in the Revolution, but I did not realize that the land was directly taken from tribes in PA. My parents still live on 5 acres of that.

This affects every American wheather we feel like it does or not. Black people have been talking about these issues from the beginng, often to be seen as playing the race card or making everything about race. But as real believers, real American believers we have to keep discussing it with Americans diffrent from ourselves.

@kisslena

10 ай бұрын

I just read a Newsweek article by a white male who says he’s the victim of racism. And that systemic racism no longer exists in America. What makes me so sad is that not only does he not know the definition of racism as opposed to bigotry, prejudice and bias, he believes systemic racism against African Americans (the racism he says he’s a victim of) does not exist. He is a tragically confused man, and he’s not alone. He’s also dangerous. Recently I was offered a referral to a job that might be exciting. To try something new after a long career and brief retirement. But, I was told the company has no diversity. No African Americans. I trust God in all things. I believe the Word of God. So I don’t understand why I should consider this job referral problematic. I should not have to be concerned about suffering psychological indignities by bigoted coworkers. I would suggest that white Christians not take for granted that they understand anything about the lives of their African American neighbors. The ones Jesus commanded them to love. I’m not hopeless, but I am so tired of it. So tired. We deserve better from each other.

@Groovy1965

10 ай бұрын

No we don't. How about we not do that and say we did

@rebeccaholcombe9043

8 ай бұрын

​@@Groovy1965Part of the formula of reconciliation with God is Confession. It's the first step. In order

Thanks for talking about the issues around the mistreatment (actually, also outright genocide) of First Nations people. It is frustrating as a Canadian seeing how little our neighbours to the south are willing to talk about that issue; which should be SO important!

@vicki9994

10 ай бұрын

I agree. As an American it's amazing how little we are taught about our own history. I always thought I was aware of it but I'm learning that what I thought I knew was just the tip of the iceberg. I've been reading and trying to learn as much as possible about Indigenous history and current issues and it's really heartbreaking. It's especially frustrating as a Christian when so much damage was done in the name of Christianity, yet many American Christians almost seem to be unaware that Native Americans / First Nations people even exist anymore, much less acknowledge what happened and desire to work towards restitution.

The interview is an eye opener, even for someone who has long believed the standard teaching of American history is a lot mythology , has at best been greatly sanitized. Germans have much less problem facing the history of the Holocaust.

@veggiet2009

10 ай бұрын

I wonder if the difference between our history and the Holocaust, is that WW2 happened after/during the advent of international communication, and "shortly" before the digitization of records. Like when Columbus sailed the ocean blue relatively no one knew what was going on, and other non-Christian nations weren't informed of the decisions of the Pope, at least quickly, so it's a lot easier to mythologize... On the flip side there are people today who are not believing that the Holocaust happened. Even with mountains of evidence and records and testimony from living witnesses!

@Ericviking2019

10 ай бұрын

Exactly

Thanks for this conversation. With regards to the Doctrine of Discovery, there is a great book, by Mark Charles and Soong-Chan Rah, Unsettling Truths: The Ongoing, Dehumanizing Legacy of the Doctrine of Discovery, that discusses how the doctrine of discovery has a harmful legacy.

@VinceOConnor

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for the recommendation!Just purchased it on Kindle and am looking forward to reading it.

@vicki9994

10 ай бұрын

Grest book! Another good book on the topic is "The Land is Not Empty: Following Jesus in Dismantling the Doctrine of Discovery" by Sarah Augustine

Robert, thank you for your work. I grew up in the SBC and I watched your presentation at Baylor. It is hard to hear this history, but necessary. Thank you. Holy Post for bringing us these topics. We the church need to do the hard work of sitting in these truths, praying for direction and then moving forward in the way of Christ.

So I've been watching THP for a couple of weeks now and I enjoy your nuanced and in depth discussions. Here's the thing though, I'm an ardent atheist. I like to listen to what some Christian people say and their view on things, and this channel popped up, I really like it. It's refreshing to see some topics on Christian nationalism discussed, as that is something I'm really worried about in this country. As I'm sure your crew is also. How does the THP crew reconcile with major christian figures who you feel distorts the bible, but at the same time may say you distort the bible? I read an article about Phil on some small christian website warning about your "false teachings" because you stray away from the "traditional values" of christianity, and say you're "too progressive". I've listened to Sean McDowell, who I think is okay. Gary Winger, Kris Reese and Allan Parr. Most of them have very hollow views, where experience in your life shouldn't affect your views. Unless that is your experience is tied to the bible somehow. I like THP the most because to be frank you're the most intellectual diverse christians on YT I hear, and that's refreshing to have that. And to be honest I really want to see that change in American culture, even though I think you represent more closely to what christians back in the early founding and early 20th century were. I think the change in christianity has been drastic just in the past 25 years. I like you guys, and I read my bible, baghavad gita, vedas and stoicism book regularly to be a well rounded individual.

Good afternoon from the beautiful SF Bay Area. Thank you, thank you, thank you, for airing this topic. I learned about the Doctrine of Discovery about 3 years ago and my head almost exploded. I am no atheist but I am no longer a Christian having been brought up in an evangelical family. It is just wonderful to find there are white Christians who are looking at these issues and viewing the world with rational minds.

The "What can I do to make a difference" question I think needs to be explored more. I am not sure that is the right question. Part of the problem with the question is that it individualized our approach to the world. Karen Swallow Prior's Evangelical Imagination talked about how we have "social imaginaries" that frame how we understand the world. I think one of the problematic social imaginaries of Evangelicalism is the personalization of all problems. The way that Christian reinterpreted Phil's original asking of the question suggests that if we can't do something about it or if it does not impact us directly, then we should not worry about it. We all understand her point; we can obsess about things that are distant and ignore what is close and in our purview, but I think this is part of the willful blindness that Evangelicals have embraced. Things that impact others should impact us. We should be able to empathize with the problems others are telling us about without making the problem personalized. I don't have to have a child die to understand that a problem that causes children to die should be something that I can seek to understand.

40 minutes in when they were talking about what we consume defining us. I had a Bible college professor 20 years ago, who would always talk about our consumer culture and compare it to what Jesus said, "A man's life does not consist in the abundance of his processions."

@Justanotherconsumer

10 ай бұрын

One Mr. Clemens, who wrote under another name, would like a word about Corn Pone.

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

Here lies the old myth, breaking the mold with truth to take away the trickery.

Mark Charles (Navajo) has been teaching about the "Doctrine of Discovery" for years (sorry Robert Jones). His book with Soong-Chan Rah is "Unsettling Truths".

This interview is blowing my mind... Like wut !? ... My childhood questions are being answered about how we "discovered" this land, and at the same time I'm appalled...

One thing I think they should’ve mentioned when talking about when they were younger and how religion shaped them was also now the younger generation and even their age generation has exposed the legalism and abuse that was hidden within those churches for so long. So why would younger generations look toward abusive establishments for guidance?

re: Doctrine of Discovery... Unsettling Truths, by Mark Charles and Soong-Chan Rah, has done amazing work on the topic

Add EWTN and their connected media outlets to Fox.....about the same for a large group of Catholics

I think the American Christian culture and it's political stance took big hits from its lack of Christian leaders'willingness to tackle subjects honestly, from the scriptures, like created substances natural and otherwise (cannabis-calamus, wine, dancing etc.) cultural appropriation and the pull to conform unnecessary 19th century western specifics, ranging from Leviticus- Romans 14. These mixed with the attack on theism from the collegiate scientific community, and the lack of justice openly exercised against citizens urban and poor communities did much damage in the last 30-50 years to the American congregation and the trust of such. But thank you all and many great leaders and scholars today of the church for tackling these subjects, because the focus today on contextual exegesis, historical cultural understanding, and God's all around great plan of salvation in good depth, is equipping the saints more than ever to fight the good fight lovingly and well informed.

Very good episode gonna get the book!!

Skye linking no fault divorce to personal desire for sex outside the marriage is problomatic nearly beyond words. No fault divorce has allowed women to find ways out of abusive and controlling marriage that the church would gladly force them to remain in. Skye reduces it to a sexual whim.

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

No fault divorce is a sin that compounded a larger sin. And so is sex outside of marriage. The Bible says that God hates divorce. Yes, there are things that God hates. Malachi 2:16. No fault divorce was and is another tool aimed at the destruction of the beautiful, biblical gift of marriage. There exist TWO biblical grounds for divorce: 1.) sexual immorality/adultery: Matthew 5:32. 2.) abandoned by an unbelieving spouse: 1 Corinthians 7:15.

@JohnThomas-ut3go

10 ай бұрын

@@patrickc3419 see what you do here is use the Bible to defend abusive men. The problem with using the Bible to justify everything and every ideology is it will fail every time. Though the Bible claims all humans to be made image barers of God the Christian church has never seen others as such. Others being anyone not of European ethnic decent and male. The Bible is always used to justify and sanctity abuse of anyone without power. Morally and ethically the Bible fails at every intersection. A shrinking section of people like you will maintain it to be the highest standard of morality, no matter who it harms. That population shrinks daily as people just can't keep justifying the harm it allows to be done to those without power. So your point that the Bible is against divorce except in specific cases, especially where marriage is a state sanctioned contract not a religious one, can't stand in a culture that believes all people male and female have value and deserve protection from abuse.

@marybethfarrell652

10 ай бұрын

Yes!!! Thank you

@adamrshields

10 ай бұрын

@@patrickc3419 do you believe that abuse is grounds for divorce?

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

@@adamrshields The woman needs to call the police ASAP, get to a safe haven, stay with close friends or relatives, and the husband needs to be arrested and incarcerated. Stay separated for as long as possible (while incarceration, followed by any treatment services, and counseling runs it’s course). Both for her safety, and for the safety of if they have any kids. Exhaust all options in the situation before divorce. Now, having clarified that, I mentioned they Bible allows it for an unbelieving spouse. I’d say any man who abuses/hits a woman has proven himself to be an unbeliever!

From the 1:25-mark on, talking about Duluth... The "work" that's done before the crisis comes can be very effective; once the crisis has come it's too late. ... That's the night when no man can do his work.

On Skye's comments on systemic reform and Ranked Choice Voting(RCV) at 44:00 the Holy Post could support RepresentUs, and read up on the systemic reforms described by The American Anti-corruption Act, since people who study this know that the political primary system we use will mathematically tend trend toward the polarized political outcome and cultural war we are constantly coerced to engage with. Politics in the Animal Kingdom by CPG Grey is also a great primer for a more intuitive understanding. I would love the church to champion, not individual responsibility alone, but the systems themselves which can underlie, reconciliation, consent, resilience, justice, wisdom and peace in our world. Blessed are the peacemakers.

So how do we get out of this cult situation? Because this is current situation is horrid. And their actions don’t make sense-have you heard and seen them at rallys???? I think the steady hand at the tiller was/is needed now.

I believe that all of the candidates debating at the republican convention know that they have no chance of defeating Trump. They are all vice presidential hopefuls, hoping to be chosen by Trump as his running mate. All of them except for Pence.

@jdtreharne

10 ай бұрын

Pence, DeSantis, Christy all want to win. Others probably running for VP or cabinet appointments. My money (not preference) is on Trump/Haley ticket. Vivek to Dept of Treasury or something like that if Trump wins

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

@@jdtreharne what is your preference?

28:20 the system isn't broken. It's working exactly as it was intended. That's why it needs to change.

@Justanotherconsumer

10 ай бұрын

Given that it was designed by a bunch of slavers concerned about protecting their property rights, how it was intended to work should not be celebrated.

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

@@Justanotherconsumer absolutely. I thought that was clear.

Like Isaac Newton said, "If I have seen further, it is by standing on the head of a black man whose face I ground into the mud."

I'm surprised that Skye would find the negative of the 1619 Project that the original people of this country were not addressed when that was not the scope of the book. Seems like the good spoken of by him was only a backhand compliment and makes less of the work.

Great conversation but I've study and heard that Beginning in the Renaissance, “Moor” and “blackamoor” were also used to describe any person with dark skin. In A.D. 711, a group of North African Muslims led by the Berber general, Tariq ibn-Ziyad, captured the Iberian Peninsula (modern Spain and Portugal). And this is where the rudiments of hatred towards black began with European

Skye must be a Beavis & Butt-Head fan lol. 🤣

On the culture wars. When Jesus spoke about people who are with him, nothing he said is part of our "culture wars". If we spent our time and energy on what Jesus said is important we wouldn't have a "culture war". Mathew 25 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’ 40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

@Justanotherconsumer

10 ай бұрын

They didn’t even know they were doing what was pleasing to Jesus, they just did it because they loved their neighbor. They weren’t in it for the reward or the recognition.

@thezenlu

10 ай бұрын

The Culture War has always been and will always be about power...

I voted for Biden in a primary for Biden years ago. I did not vote for him in 2020 primary, but he has done a good job. I wish there was a way for a younger, more imaginative candidate to be his successor in 2024, but we just do not like that. I honestly thought that when Trump was elected in 2016 that between his advisors and the importance of the job that he would quiet down and get stuff done and I was pretty shocked about how he got worse.

Hey guys, I love all of your stuff and listen to you here as well as Patreon. I do have a question. Have you read the book on Unclobber by Colby Martin? I thought it was such a good book and I have seen how different versus were taken out of context and used to harm others. Just wondering your thoughts on it.

Skye isn't right at 27:51 . Third-party candidates aren't spoilers. All the data points to this. Most people who would vote third-party most likely wouldn't vote for either major party.

@adamrshields

10 ай бұрын

It depends on the election. Lincoln was elected because there were four parties. Clinton was elected because of the third party run by Ross Perot. In close races Third party candidates can change elections. In other cases they do not really impact. But they are not a serious contender for the election. Several states ban write in candidates and make it difficult to get in the ballot. So there isn’t any change if someone winning that isn’t GOP or Dem at this point.

4:12 Is this a reference to Star Wars: Rebellion, or X-Wing vs TIE Fighter?

Anyone know of an article that sums up Skye's argument concerning economic philosophy/consumerism driving shape of American culture, religion, and politics?

@dominicguye8058

6 ай бұрын

Idk but I know Marx would agree with him, lol

Thank you !! This was so eye opening - thank you so much.

Great to see Christian back. I love her perspective. I disagree with Skye on Biden. Biden has passed meaningful legislation like the infrastructure bill, chips act and also passing a gun control bill. Biden wasn't my first, second, third choice last time but I will be working to get him elected in 2024

@lbamusic

10 ай бұрын

Biden also just pushed through the right of Medicare to negotiate lower prices with the pharmaceutical industry!! Tdump was a total failure and doesn't even compare favorably with Biden! There is no comparison between them.

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

Now obviously I know nothing about you, namely your spiritual/religious beliefs. Can you share what legislative he has supported or policy issues he supports which align with biblical Christianity?

@israelmacario3853

10 ай бұрын

@@patrickc3419 those bills mentioned help people. To me that aligns to my religious beliefs

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

@@israelmacario3853 Okay, so infrastructure. Sure, you and I would have no argument that upgraded roads, bridges, dams, buildings helps all people across all spectrums. That of course is a good thing. Older rust belt cities, like where I live near, would particularly behoove this. As far as the CHIPS act, I’m not a big proponent of federal or state government spending to create jobs, as it rarely works, but I’m not going to say someone is unsaved or heretical if they think otherwise. I will say that scripture is replete both Old and New Testament alike that we are to be good stewards with the money we’ve been blessed with, and no one has been more sinful than government. Our deficit is a bipartisan disaster that, sadly, we will never see paid off. Gotta part ways with you regarding the gun control measures. I own several firearms and generally oppose most gun control. Again, not a prerequisite for salvation. Someone doesn’t want to own a gun, I would absolutely never force them to buy a gun. It is a matter of Christian liberty. Like tattoos. 😁 I think it’s dumb, and a waste of money, but I would never begrudge someone who gets one.

When you count Leonardo DaVinci and Isaac Newton among your race, it's easy to believe your kind is superior. Of course, not everyone gets the recognition he deserves. Michael Faraday is probably more responsible for everything electronic that we enjoy today than either of the other two. Can't have an MRI without the M.

Amazing interview Skye

The alternative is the current president who is a man who has been in politics for over half a century and if the Lord tarries, will be in his late 80s at the end of his second term---if he chooses to seek one

I think you all might be over romanticizing the church and it’s influence as you were growing up. I grew up in rural America, a strong teen christian…it wasn’t as lovely or healthy as you remember.

@Justanotherconsumer

10 ай бұрын

I hear things from my relatives in Iowa that really sound like outright spiritual abuse (make a big donation or you’re not getting married, trying to basically extort people on their deathbeds, etc…). Trust in Christ, not in Christians.

Religion is challenging because they have to defend indefensible dogmas.

All the culture war issues involve personal freedom. People want to be free. They don't want government, church or anyone else controlling their lives.

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

That's one side of it. The other side is the one that's trying to control others.

@bkucenski

10 ай бұрын

What part of criminalizing acknowledging a student has two dads relates to personal freedom?

@Justanotherconsumer

10 ай бұрын

A lot of it comes down to freedom of conscience includes the freedom to be a hateful, vindictive, incoherent, and being firmly opposed to freedom of conscience. The paradox of tolerance is a real struggle.

@bkucenski

10 ай бұрын

@@Justanotherconsumer You can be as hateful as you want as long as you are not in a position of power where you can abuse people. DeSantis belongs in federal prison for violations of human rights. Dave Ramsey belongs in the work from jail program for firing a employee for marrying her girlfriend. Instead he got slapped with a 70K fine which is pocket change to him. Basically, she got one year salary for a human rights violation perpetrated against her. Now Dave Ramsey prays over new employees to ensure he's too creepy for LGBTQ+ people to even apply.

@jdtreharne

10 ай бұрын

@@bkucenski Who wants to criminalize acknowledging that a student has 2 dads?

I thought it went back further than the 1400s to Papal bulls issued hundreds of years before that.

_Robotic preacher_ describes far too many sermons I have endured from less than inspiring humans.

The idea that religion should shape culture and culture shouldn't shape religion seems to ignore the history of religion. Greek philosophy heavily influenced Jewish beliefs and how they looked at their own scriptures. You can see that in the translation of the Hebrew bible to Greek in the Septuagint. Many of the dogmas and beliefs we hold dear is not necessarily directly from the words of the bible but how the culture of the time influenced the negotiation of the words and messages.

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

So what would be, using specifics, a dogma(s) or a belief(s), that is not necessarily directly from the Bible but is cultural ?

@BrianPurcell72

10 ай бұрын

@@patrickc3419 If you do a search on scholarly research on the influence of Hellenistic thought to Jewish beliefs and culture, you will find a lot of information. In brief, ideas of hell, the soul, demons, etc. changed dramatically in Jewish writings and beliefs after their influence. There's much more than that, though.

3 White People Hosting this Podcast sparked my intrest in tuning into this content today. Grand Wizard Oral Roberts Would be proud. ◾◾◾◾◾◾◾◾◾✨◾◾◾◾◾

Proportional representation in the UK sounds like your “rank choice voting”

@dominicguye8058

6 ай бұрын

I think it incorporates Ranked Choice, but Proportional is more than that

I wonder if anyone has ever called him Bob Jones 😂

@Wren_Farthing

10 ай бұрын

Good reason to go by "Robert P."

Cornholers????? Remember your international audience

@Justanotherconsumer

10 ай бұрын

They can Google it easily enough. Though they may find Beavis and Butthead and TP.

40:35> to correct a misunderstanding; It's not "Hey are those women preaching God's word?". That's not it. It's the idea of women preaching from the pulpit bc that carries authority over ALL the church, and women are not to have authority over men. I'm not expressing my views either way, just correcting a misunderstanding.

Fortunately Trump is going to prison

They know they've lost the cultural war (though Christian schools and homeschooling sitll exists and churches are open) which is why they now are willing to embrace a coupe or revolution.

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

I don’t follow what you are saying, and I hope to ask very respectfully but candidly; should Christians not send their children to private schools or be allowed to homeschool (obviously I mean if they are in a position to do so). ?

@ConnorMarc

10 ай бұрын

@@patrickc3419She's saying that now they know they've lost the "culture war," they are now ready for a more direct, read violent, action in the form of coupes and/or revolutions, e.g. the storming of the Capitol. The reference of Christian schools and homeschooling was just to point out that they haven't really lost anything, because they still are able to have these things.

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

@@ConnorMarc Apologia did a great commentary on how our American Revolution and January 6th are apples and oranges. The American Revolution was a response not to government but to tyranny. January 6th was an unjustified act committed by violent criminals. As someone who is staunchly conservative and a Reformed Protestant I’ve always condemned January 6th and never defended it. Certainly I recognize that not everyone is in a situation to be able to homeschool or send their children to private school. Only by the sovereign grace of God are my wife and I able to send both our kids to private school. It’s not perfect, but neither are we.

@ConnorMarc

10 ай бұрын

@@patrickc3419 what does it mean to be conservative today?

@patrickc3419

10 ай бұрын

@@ConnorMarc I’d say someone who is a traditionalist. On most (not all) issues, a conservative position aligns with the biblical position. Obviously that does not mean that being conservative equals being saved.

Some skye some hoped this. Ha!!

Did that Western Christian Church have a name or better yet, a denomination? If so, what was it?

@Justanotherconsumer

10 ай бұрын

Technically it’s the Roman Catholic Church, but since it was before the real splintering there were no other denominations available. Things like the Albigensian Crusade and burning heretics at the stake meant that being anything but that one denomination was bad for your health.

@cecilwinthorp4038

10 ай бұрын

@@Justanotherconsumer I knew it was the Roman Catholics, I was simply pointing out the name of the church was glossed over. Why would that happen?

@adamrshields

10 ай бұрын

@@cecilwinthorp4038 wouldn't you just assume that we all are decendents of the Catholic church and bear responsibility if the thing we are talking about was before the reformation and both protestant and Catholics Christians after the reformation pointed to the papal bulls as having legal authority? If we blame Catholics in particular as a means of absolving ourselves then we are not being honest with our history as Christians.

@cecilwinthorp4038

10 ай бұрын

@@adamrshields I strongly disagree sir. As a protestant, I share no ties with any form of Catholicism pre or post. Martin Luther's divulgence of the Catholic faith was enough to relieve me of any forms of collaboration or unity of any type. The Roman Catholic church is just that... Roman first. The mere numbers of secular followings brought into being by the Roman Catholics is more than enough for me. Exodus 21:16 was in the bible when the church gave their decrees yet facts meant nothing to the church then and isn't taught today. A strong Protestant faith could correct our nation, but assimilation has removed too many of our core beliefs and embedded them into evangelicalism. They're gone forever now.

@adamrshields

10 ай бұрын

@@cecilwinthorp4038 so no one was a Christian prior to Luther?

I usually find myself in agreement with Skye, but I had a big difference of opinion with him today. His assessment of the primacy of economics rests on the assumption that people are perfectly rational actors and we know they are not. They are riddled with irrationalities and those irrationalities drive the way the economy plays out. And since culture is the source of those irrationalities, culture drives economics. Also, I have a hard time seeing ranked choice voting thriving on a large scale. Most people find politics too much work as it is, and now you think the solution is to increase the workload? Because that's what ranked choice voting does. For it to really work a person needs to evaluate many candidates, not just two, and then figure out an order of preference for them all. Have fun getting people to embrace that.

@jdtreharne

10 ай бұрын

Economics doesn't necessarily assume rationality. The "Homo Economicus" model was ditched by economists a while ago. But people do tend to favor themselves and their family over their in-group, and their in-group over their out-group.

@dansdiscourse4957

10 ай бұрын

@@jdtreharne Well that just supports my point. If what guides people's economic decisions is what's good for my group versus what's good for your group, that's sociology, that's culture. Therefore economic is downstream of culture.

@jdtreharne

10 ай бұрын

@@dansdiscourse4957 yeah but people don't usually choose career paths based on what will benefit their in-group. They choose based on what benefits them and their families.

@dansdiscourse4957

10 ай бұрын

@@jdtreharne I think that still falls in the realm of culture

@jdtreharne

10 ай бұрын

@@dansdiscourse4957 well if you define culture that broadly...

While its refreshing to hear the Holy Post not descend into a cussing tirade as most liberal podcasts do when talking about Christian Conservatives, unfortunately, that doesn't save them from their own brand of smug, snide, snarky, sarcastic, "smarter than thou" remarks

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

Oh yes, because conservatives are famous for their humility.

Why don’t we talk about this? Because history as taught is usually more about indoctrination than education. The Israel of the Bible was not like that - they taught the ugly parts of their history, their failures, and their lessons learned (modern Israel doesn’t have that self awareness, unfortunately). American history is not like Biblical history - it teaches only the struggle and the success, not the failures that led to the struggle. We never, ever, want to learn that we were the bad people, it’s always someone else’s fault and we were justified or we were the victim. We don’t teach about our little… adventure in the Philippines either, for example…

thats even a bigger scare than race studies/relations and more important YEA HISTORY what woke and what beans are the Maga talkin bout?

1:11. Why don't 'we' talk about it. You are shouting the answer.

Claptrap!

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Biblically, we aren't to consume alcohol. Scientifically, alcohol is thee "gateway drug." That said, should it be illegal in America?

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

The Bible doesn't condemn all alcohol consumption. It condemns drunkenness. Granted, there are benefits to abstaining from it. It's impossible to get drunk without that first drink. Especially if it's a temptation, staying away from it completely is certainly wise. It's also best to not cause others to stumble by drinking around them if it's a weakness for them as well. Another good reason for a Christian to not drink is to not violate their own conscience.

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

Also, alcohol does a great deal of damage to our society, but outlawing it isn't the answer. We already tried that, and it was a disaster. The answer to something that hurts society isn't to outlaw it. It doesn't work. The answer is to discourage demand for it in the first place.

@ConnorMarc

10 ай бұрын

@@makejesusgreatagain7220 "strong drink is raging" and "be sober" look up those verses brother. We're not to consume it

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

@@ConnorMarc what passages are you referring to?

@ConnorMarc

10 ай бұрын

@@makejesusgreatagain7220 Proverbs 20:1 & 1 Peter 5:8

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Black women birth all humans are in the World.

I'm a Gen Z Ramaswamy fan. I think us Christian Republican voters are getting less enamored with the self-proclaimed Evangelical candidates because they seem to be using Jesus as a cheap ploy to get votes. So I've started to just focus on policy now.

@jeffndoria9949

10 ай бұрын

This dude believes that climate wis a hoax.

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

Which of his policies do you support and why?

@mynonsequitur7116

10 ай бұрын

@@makejesusgreatagain7220 I like his plan to dismantle the unelected bureaucracy while still keeping the functionality. I believe the executive branch has way too much uncontrollable power in it's current state. His plan to end the Ukraine War seems to make the most sense. And I really like his plan to require voters to take the same civics test as immigrants, though I'm sure that will require a constitutional amendment and he can't implement the plan directly.

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

@@mynonsequitur7116 the first part about the executive branch having too much power is great and all, but I highly doubt he means it. His rhetoric at the primary debate was highly authoritarian in nature. He is there to fight the culture war, not shrink the government. It's "drain the swamp" all over again.

@makejesusgreatagain7220

10 ай бұрын

@@mynonsequitur7116 I haven't looked closely at his plan for ending the war in Ukraine, but that's not our place to decide from Washington in the first place. We're not the ones who were invaded. All we can and should do is use some of our massively bloated military budget to assist Ukraine in defending themselves and taking back their country.

I an sorry. I tried to listen to this but I found that it is just a load of rubbish talk.