Fantastic video!!! Really miss Greg. Joined the community too late to get to watch much of Greg's content but glad to see his backbone strats.

I really wish I would have seen this live,,but sooo glad its posted so I could watch it. Miss you Greg,, thanks John for doing this collaboration. Fantastic content.

555, wow I miss this guy, probably the first craps channel I ever subscribed to, thank you for bringing him on your channel.

Greg going to miss your channel. As a new player I learned a lot from you,,your approach to the game and attitude towards your viewers was much appreciated, 👍

Thanks for everything Greg, have always enjoyed and learned from your videos.

Great Video! I hate I missed it! Love yah Greg I hope to see you some day my friend! Stay safe and Godbless

Love ya Greg thanks for what you have done for us👍🎲🎲

Smart exchange of ideas and experience~ thanks for sharing!

@ProCraps

4 ай бұрын

Thanks! Glad you liked it.

A perfect Brian Cox impersonation! Loved this. Definitely will use it. Thank you

@ProCraps

10 ай бұрын

Glad you liked it!

Welcome Back GREG!! Missed ya buddy.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

He's the best.

I'm glad I found this channel. Always excellent knowledge being thrown (pun intended!) Sorry to see that Greg is leaving. His knowledge will be missed.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Greg is the man!

After watching over 200 craps strategy's this is my favorite. Thanks

@ProCraps

5 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it! Greg is one of my favorite people in the world.

My thoughts are learn all you can from the best utube craps instructors. How to find them you say. Simple who are they always bringing up in conversations. Dont be afraid to bring a small bankroll. Slowly climatize yourself. You dont need big bucks starting out. Never understood that. If you have a decent knowledge of the game and play smart thats 3/4 of the battle. The rest is how the dice fall. NEVER ever be afraid to walk away. Great video by the way. Thanks for giving me another set of tools necessary to succeed. Finally have a thorough base in the light and dark side

@ProCraps

2 ай бұрын

Well Said!

Hey John, great video and great collaboration with you and Greg. Really ready to embrace the don't side of the game as I have not in the past. Study many strategies and been on a losing streak lately and have not been able to win on the light side. Hybrid, regression, etc., nothing has been working. My question is, how much of a bankroll do think you need to effectively play the strategies shown. With a little bad luck you could get down very quickly while waiting for the tide to turn.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

The simple answer is on the 555 Don't, bring enough for 20 shooters. So at the $25 + $30 level, that'll be $1100. If you swing that down and go with $10 and $12 odds, you can do it for $500, just adjust your expectations. The other 2 strategies, you'd want to have in your pocket. I would bring another $200 to $400 and have that off to the side, so that if you decided to play one shooter using one of the Andre methods, you have that bullet, but it's not part of your grind.

@mcchacho1

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps Thanks John, 20 shooters, $55 per shooter, $1,100 bankroll. Just took an early lunch break and rolled it out this way which raised a couple of questions that may just be personal preference. When a shooter hits a point and you lose the $55, do you stop betting on that shooter as you lost the money earmarked for that shooter and let him come out and keep rolling until he passes the dice and start over on a new shooter? I guess you could view the comeout after a point made as a new shooter and start over if you wanted to. I found in this rollout that it made sense not to come back up on shooters that made a point as a few times they continued on and made multiple points. When a 7 rolled on the comeout, I continued with the $30 earmarked for the odds on the don't pass and played it out with no odds. Two comeout 7s in a row and just waited for the next shooter. After 20 shooters on this particular rollout, up $260.

I used to define a light side cold table as -8 pts variation from the expected mean. I now define a light side hot table as two clusters of 4 or more consecutive points made within a session equals 150 resolved bets. Playing from the DONT, I will win 100% of the time unless there are 2 clusters of more than 4 consecutive points in a 150 roll session

Greg, your channel was the perfect mix of knowledge and entertainment. I will miss your stories, singing, and table visitors. Thank you for the laughs and improving my game play. God Bless you Sir!

Man this is first video I’ve seen of this 555 don’t that I understood . Thanks for the divide by 5 multiply 6 break down. It wasn’t hard to grasp but for some reason it never clicked until I got that formula. Lol

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Now you can’t un-know it, right?

@qt1622

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps impossible to un-know , heading to Vegas Monday can’t wait use this to build my bankroll!

Greg sorry too see go but always enjoyed your videos I have seen

Greg 😞😞 Sorry to see ya go Best of luck my friend to you and the 🐱’s !

Start with your Horseman on a new table....follow the rhythm and move to the last version of Andre with the random shooters....I like that !

I Love playing the Dark side!!

@ProCraps

8 ай бұрын

Boom.

Great video. Just curious. What is your exit strategy on a $1100 bankroll?

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Win goal would be $250, and I'm a stop loss zero guy ... I plan to use my whole bankroll to get to goal. Now, if go down by 40% or so, I may pause or switch tables, but that's how I do it.

I have been to a seminar regarding dice control. The real players who practice it refer to it as influencing the dice, not actual control. These guys actually practice by throwing dice thousands of times to calculate their rolls vs. statistics. I have seen it for myself and practiced myself. You can shave off a percentage or two to shift the odds slightly in your favor. Like anything else you have good days and bad days. But there is actually something to it. I wouldn't just dismiss it out of hand. It will cost you if you are a "Don't Player" and come up against a skilled dice thrower.

Honest clip!

Is the Andre worth it at a 2x odds table? I usually play at a roll to win and $10 min pass/don't pass? So 10 dp, 20 pass, 20 in odds?

@ProCraps

9 ай бұрын

It's tough at 2x odds to really get the huge home runs, but every odds bet you place lowers the house edge enough to fight for it.

Insane his boss, employer, whoever told him he can't have a craps KZread channel, just wow! Greg thanks for the past content.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Let's just say that Greg is in full agreement on the decision.

@toddmoore3818

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps He must work for a big casino! They don't want to lose their money by having us use his strategies!!

re: Dice control. If it really was "a thing" the Casino/House would stop you from doing it or change the throwing mechanism. Same as card counting (which is not the same but in the context has the same result), any way to elminate the house edge is frowned upon at best and you get tossed out at worst.

On the basic 555c playing $5/$6 what bankroll would be recommended

@ProCraps

11 ай бұрын

20x your anticipated action, so 20 * 11 or $220 ... probably $250 is a nice round number.

we all love greg

Bummed out Greg! i hate that your boss could squeeze you out of your hobby and your youtube fam. Shame on him! I enjoyed your insight on the game and your love for the play that you show. will also miss the cats! Cheers friend!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Greg loves his boss!

I was under the impression that the best way mathematically is pass line + max odds, rinse and repeat. What am I missing?

@MyopiaMovie

6 ай бұрын

There is a very very tiny advantage of the DP versus the Pass. Something like 1.36% versus 1.41% The odds on both sides lower the *total* house edge as a *percentage of your bet* but they increase overall variance.

Greg must work for a high level casino who doesn’t want the “secrets” out. LOL. Second or third time I’ve watched this and really like 555/Greg

His honesty made me laugh

Greg we love your dark magic and sure would love to play with U someday. Please share with John PC any trip plans U have this year for casinos in your region or Vegas, chance to meet up with the Prince of Darkness ;-)

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

I'll pass this along!

The only way to beat the house going up against a negative statistical advantage game is to take advantage of a large disparity between table min and table max. We all know the best bets, we all have strategies, but I know with 100% certainty that the table min and max were put there to protect the house from large bankrolls skimming small sample size hits on a daily basis.

@ProCraps

6 ай бұрын

The biggest reason for max bets is to stop negative progressions. Period. They are the only guaranteed way to win 100% of the time. But the bet ceiling prevents you from ever locking it in. So those players rely on timing and a bit of luck to not get crushed. I’ve seen it happen live too many timeS

Why did the odds change during the tournament on Dice Degen's channel? Doubles odds were used.

@ProCraps

4 ай бұрын

No idea?

@baugh3162

4 ай бұрын

@@ProCraps Thank you. Where does Greg stand these days? Still straight 5 to 6 odds?

@CasinoGamingTV

4 ай бұрын

@@baugh3162 For sure ... he'll never change off of his base play. He does some other things for fun, but that's the core.

@baugh3162

4 ай бұрын

@@CasinoGamingTV TY again

I've been victim to the 4,10 betting out of proportion. Especially when they've been hit a few times already. It really hurts since it only pays half. Last night I went on an epic roll, missed alls but made like 8 consecutive points. The one dark sider at the table was kind of martingaling and he was baffled I did feel bad cause I had plenty come out 7s. Sometimes just defies logic and breaks hearts

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

I am not at all opposed to moving my lays around. If I'm conditioned to use a lay bet and the 4's and 10's are popping, I will fearlessly go to the 5 and 9

Andre will live forever

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!

if i want to bet 15 on the dont how would 1x the odds im new to craps

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Here's one where I go into it in pretty good detail -- kzread.info/dash/bejne/hK2EqcuDdpOrcaQ.html Basically, you always have to win table minimum, so at a $15 table, you need to lay enough to win $15 For the 4 and 10, that means laying $30 in odds, because the 4 and 10 pay you 1:2 For the 5 and 9, you need to lay $24 to win $16 because they pay you 2:3 For the 6 and 8 ... you can lay $18 to win $15 because the lay bet on those numbers pays 5:6 The easiest thing though, is to always lay in multiples of $30 which always works easy -- 4/10 pay $15, 5/9 pay $20 and 6/8 pay $25 for that $30 lay

@JT-od4df

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps thanks for the reply cant wait to go and play best of luck

''why dealers say why you win all the time''.............missed that line the first time i watched this vid.... luvvvvvvvvvvvvv it, rolling the legs on my pants UP GGGGGG

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

hahah. The don't is boring but it works. I swear, when I'm at the table just playing a don't progression the dealers pay me on every shooter and I get that little wink from them as they swipe the rest of the chips away and may me my rent.

@drdontpassone8164

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps hate the7 11 11 7 sequence had those sunday am ouch.... 555 underplays those a little bit , i have to say😍😍😍😍😍😍 i am ddp1

So good to see Greg again. Love ya buddy! Kind of depressing that while we are all told we are free living in America 🇺🇸, but yet our overlord employers can dictate what is and is not acceptable in a free county. Wake up people life is far too short.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Not all bosses are employers. This is the right call for Greg, for sure.

@msack9252

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps Even worse!!

@hal8324

2 жыл бұрын

This really is BS How bad could a simple craps channel be??? 🤦‍♂️

@esixx17

2 жыл бұрын

Tell that to Pete Rose. He is free to do whatever he wants and employers are also free to decide if your activities are a risk or conflict ro your job.

@douglasscovil3447

Жыл бұрын

not saying i like greg's boss, but he is free to find a new job/boss who tolerates gaming videos or even become his own boss.

On the 555 what would be the odds be on a $10 and $15 table

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

The general rules are these: The lay odds must win table minimum. 4 and 10 need to be "even" dollar amounts (they pay 1:2) 5 and 9 need to be in amounts divisible by 3 (they pay 2:3) 6 and 8 need to be in amounts divisible by 6 (they pay 5:6) So, for a $10 table, here's your minimums: 4 and 10: $20 (to win $10) 5 and 9: $15 (to win $10) 6 and 8: $12 (to win $10) For a $15 table, here's your minimums: 4 and 10: $30 (to win $15) 5 and 9: $24 (to win $16) 6 and 8: $18 (to win $15) A good rule of thumb, if your bankroll allows it, is that increments of $30 always works for all of them: $30 lay 4/10 wins $15 $30 lay 5/9 wins $20 $30 lay 6/8 wins $25

@dontswin

7 ай бұрын

Mathematically lay on the 5 or 9 is a far superior lay than the 4 or 10 because of the payoff. Lay of the 6 or 8 is really only slightly worse than the 5 or 9 because the pay off is so good. You should almost always lay odds with your flat bet on the 6 or 8 because the reward is always 83.3333% of your lay bet. The reward on the lay portion of the 5 or 9 is always 66.6666%, of everyone of those 5's or 9's you have a 64.2857% chance of winning it! Which is far better than a coin flip! You will win 58.0645% on every 6 or 8 don't pass or don't bets. on the 4 or 10, you should win 69.2307% 18 of every 28 times either one of those is the point.(NEARLY 7 OF EVERY 10 times it's a point!} ( in other words for every 26 times the 4 is the point, he will repeat it 50% or 8 times, miss it 50% or 8 times and miss it 100% 10 times, therefore he will miss it 18 times of 26 occurances) These calculations are based on the fact that you have ***2 dice with 3 axis EACH DIE*** and nothing more, forget about that bell shaped combination chart. There are only SIX sets dice can be together prior to the throw. There are 576 possible tops on anyone throw( in their entirety) the bell shaped combo charts mention nothing of the relation of one die to another die. Even more confusing than all of that is the fact that any number on top that shows can show: 16 DIFFERENT ways cause a cube has 4 sides therefore 4 TIMES 4 equals 16 !!!! Weirder than all that is that M.I.T. did major studies of dice and all the calculations on this. The key for wrong bettors is RISK -Vs- REWARD. Everyday or every night the dice can do amazing things, the other key is surviving bad streaks or the CHOP. The law of large numbers is extremely powerful in craps and things can change on a dime or not.@@ProCraps​

I watched this video, but did not understand on the Ultimate Andre where he kept moving the lay 4 bet. I couldn't tell if it was on the table working or not. Several 4s came up and it was a lay 4...he lost, but never took it down. Also he was giving the bank a $30 vig after the first roll. Most casinos i know want the vig up front and if you take the bet down, then they give it back. Confusing video to me.

@ProCraps

10 ай бұрын

I think he was doing that for ease of dealing. Depends on the casino when they take the vig. One of my locals takes it on the win, and another takes it up front.

@nathangrandmasterk9760

10 ай бұрын

Ok cool

Elephant graveyard he said but the only ones I see cash big are pass line players . 🤔

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

That's true, very true. But for every time I've pulled $2,000 off a table with place bets, I've lost $300 10 times trying to get there. Its the nature of right side play. Highly volatile. Huge wins separated by many losses. The dark side is boring and stable. keyword being stable.

@MetroCollectablesandvlogs

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps thanks for sharing, we been playing the dont lately and just been doing $15 and never lay the odds. but cant seem to get past $100-125.00 ... should we start playing the odds? and only do $10? seems like the fn come out kills us lol. TIA

Still learning, but how is he laying $195 on a $25 DP? I thought the max was 6x for lays

@ProCraps

28 күн бұрын

Some casinos offer 10x or higher odds, so you do have to know what those limits are when you're calculating strategy plays like this.

That lay never comes off?

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

In the Andre, you take the back wall lay down after the point is set. In filming we'll often leave them up there for expedience.

I was looking for his channel the other day and thought I was going crazy cause I couldn't find it. I'm curious what job does not permit you to stream craps videos? 🤔 Seems very odd.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Greg's a pretty private guy, but he'll tell you that this is as much his choice as it was related to his work.

just found this vid.........should be mandatory viewing for all wrong players ...................other one is ''dge 100 100 100 '' both are masterpieces

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

You got that right! Good to see you again.

@drdontpassone8164

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps like the ''classics''fewqualify....this is one ..big fan triple 5🙂🙂🙂

I've watched the first 20 minutes,what the hell is the 555. All I see is him talking about playing the don't pass? What is the strategy?

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Not sure if you know the history, but 555 craps was a long running channel, highly respected. He ended up having to close it down, and this episode was an interview/hand-off of his ways of thinking and playing.

miss 555 's schtick,,,,,,,,,,cat walking around the table ...... big dont guy ....would luv to see hi as a guest.............waited for dge your site.......big stiff job....not good....u were a gentleman about it,,,,,,

@ProCraps

3 ай бұрын

555 is the best, right? We'll get Charlie back on. He's a great friend and will absolutely come back and do the show!

Wizard of the don't pass

Somehow I missed the wizardry part. I'm guessing his Greg's "boss" is; 1) God or 2) The wife.

He must have a great job

@ProCraps

5 ай бұрын

He does.

Something is not right something happened where he needed to get a lawyer and his lawyer has advised him that he can't have his youtube channel ( something is really wrong here ) best wishes Greg Hope to see you out there!

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

It's not that at all ... Greg'll tell you that the decision although painful, was mutual.

I miss Greg

@CasinoGamingTV

Жыл бұрын

Right?

Why doesn't Greg remove a Don't Pass bet when the point is 6 or 8?

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

There's no reason to. In fact, there are those that actually go in for max odds on the 6 and 8 and lesser odds on the 4/10. The 7 is still the biggest dog out there, no matter what the point is. If I gave you $25 and said you could make 1 bet on any number and it'll sit there until it wins or loses, what would you choose? Now, on a flat bet, the 7 vs the 6 or 8 isn't as great as a flat bet on the 7 vs a 4 or a 10. But when you bring odds into it, it's more advantageous to lay odds on the 6 and 8 than the 4 and 10.

@jimklemens5018

2 жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps I was just giving you a hard time about your 6 / 7 / 8 strategy, sorry ! I apologize for my dry humor.

@CasinoGamingTV

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimklemens5018 Oh! Hhahahah. That's actually pretty funny now that I hear it in context.

Sorry Greg will not be producing content in the foreseeable future.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Yup, it's a big loss for us, but he'll still get his messages out, I'm sure.

Call Me Darth Vader

I have only found 2 facts about craps. Every shooter will eventually 7 out. Every shooter will not hit thier initial point

It stinks that Greg got shut down the way he did. I hope he finds a new way to earn money, so that he can get back online.

Greg folded

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

It goes a little bit deeper than that ... he's happy to opt out.

@bogeys1242

Жыл бұрын

@@ProCraps You've mentioned that Gregg is happy with the decision several times to posters. I guess if my boss said dump the site or dump the job...uh, yeh, I'm on board with dumping the site. I always worked for people that paid me to perform and didn't get into my off/private time. But, that's me... Always enjoyed the strategies and roll outs Gregg gave us!

Your video for beginners would have been a lot more helpful if you demonstrated it not just talk about it

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

I normally do that (A LOT) in my strategy videos. This one was more of an interview that I did with Greg, in his style, and then re-uploaded it here in this format. I was planning to break these all down individually as separate strategy videos with a better explanation and demo ahead of the roll out.

Cannot put 2+2 together to understand who this magic employer is telling you what to do on your time. You are missed, and take care.

@ProCraps

2 жыл бұрын

Like I was telling someone else. Greg's a pretty private guy, but he's totally on board here. Some topics just aren't a great fit for the larger plan, you know?

Why is he paying a $30 vig on a $180 lay? 5% is $9 im confused. Thanks

@ProCraps

8 ай бұрын

Could be just going too fast.

@joshua9093

29 күн бұрын

I think he's taking out the $30 loss on the number that hit, but forgetting to also pay the vig. Or perhaps he just skipped the vig for simplicity.

I think Greg should just renamed his channel. Not his employers business he has a KZread channel.

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Not all lines of work are compatible with having a publicly facing gambling channel. I have a lot of respect for him for making the choice. Miss him terribly of course.

Good video but took a bit too long to explain the strategy and get to everything i'd say, not enough rolling and proving the theory, a lot of just talk about other things unfortunately.

@ProCraps

5 ай бұрын

This was done about a year or more ago. Greg from 555 craps had a great channel and was retiring. He's a great friend of mine, so the point of this video was really his final interview and him saying goodbye before we did any strategy stuff. That's really what I wanted to focus on. But then we got into some strategies and I love picking his brain on them.

How ironic. I like to write fictional stories as a hobby, and I'd recently written one about a guy who had a job in an investment firm, but lost his job because clients of the investment firm discovered that this guy was also a professional gambler.

Way too much conversation. Show us the roll strategy!

@ProCraps

4 ай бұрын

This was only a little bit about the strategy. More of a venue for my friend Greg to say goodbye to his KZread channel and subscribers. Final interview

For a newbie you guys are just talking back and forth expert to expert not helpful for someone like me trying to learn.

@ProCraps

10 ай бұрын

Greg and I are very old friends, so that conversation probably started off a bit like we figured everyone knew what we were saying, because we talk like that almost daily.

IF you put the stick down we can understand you better, its complicating the video

I’m hoping that by now this video feels antiquated. “Doing this for a math advantage” “Don’t use it when craps are rolling” And 25 other statements that are not actually true but sound nice to people Who don’t know better.

Y'all don't know math or craps

@ProCraps

4 ай бұрын

LOL. Do you feel better now?

Get on with the strategy I don't want to hear about your guys friendship for the first 4.5 minutes

@ProCraps

Жыл бұрын

Patience my friend. This was a live interview, and Greg's retirement from KZread. I put links in the description to help you skip to the good parts, too.

13 minutes into the video and bored as hell. Get to it!

@ProCraps

9 ай бұрын

Not surprising. If you don’t know Greg you may not get a lot out of this. He had a channel for a long time and was quit popular. Took it down right after we shot this a year ago. Lot of people know and love him so it made more sense last year.

Where's my tool belt? Right next to your chastity belt. Forget it. I threw that one away long ago!