I'm thirteen and I'm learning to fly on the Cherokee and I love it I'm planning to be a pilot in the future

@theavi8tor932

5 жыл бұрын

Kári F Kane i call bullshit

@imsociallyawkward1612

4 жыл бұрын

@@theavi8tor932 I started flying at 14 🤷‍♂️ it's not that rare for students to start at a young age.

$10,000 in 1960 is about $80,000 today. I wish you could get a new one for that price. That of course doesn't include the awesome avionics we have now.

@daytonasixty-eight1354

6 жыл бұрын

No but if you think about it they generally came with the awesome avionics of the 1960s like ADF!

@pacobenites5657

6 жыл бұрын

Rc radio control airplanes

@flybobbie1449

5 жыл бұрын

Prices double every 10 years, 1960/10, 70/20, 80/40, 90/80, 00/160, 10/320 Piper Archer LX/DX (factory new) Basic List Price LX: USD 372,400 (2018) Cost of flight training UK (£) 1980/25hr, 1990/50hr, 2000/100hr, 2010/130hr, 2019/180hr. So in real terms lessons should be approaching £400/hr. At those prices we could afford new aircraft, not fly 30+ year old bangers. 1978 to 1980 i paid £23/hour, was earning £25 per week. Now UK minimum wage is £308 per week. So a lesson should be about £250/hr, not £185 as we are charging now.

@thefireman2854

4 жыл бұрын

@@flybobbie1449 Interesting breakdown. I think it shows how the aviation industry outpaced average incomes. Admittedly I am not as familiar with UK prices and incomes. In 1960, the average US houshold income was a little over $5k. So the average family could buy a new Cherokee for about 2x their yearly income. Interestingly enough, the average home was also about 2x the average family yearly income. At some point, aviation increased much faster. An average US home is still about 2X the average family yearly income.

I learned to fly in 1993 in a PA-28-181 . Soloed in just under 9 hours and had my ticket in 44 hours. Love Cherokees -

My dad went to Vero Beach on two trips in 1965 and brought back a Cherokee 140 and a 180. Sometime later he brought a Cherokee Six back to our airport in upstate New York.

$88 for FOUR lessons!? I can't even rent a plane for an hour with that!! Lol

@CFITOMAHAWK2

4 жыл бұрын

In 1969 I payed 11 dollars for an 8 year old Piper Colt with 115 Horsepower. 15 dollars with a good CFI for you. I soloed it.

:} I first solo in a PA28 at Queen City Airport (a WWII B25 assembly plant) Allentown PA in 1966. LotsO great memories still remain in my noggin concerning my Cherokee days....... :}

The one thing I never liked about the Cherokee line up, was the automotive type window hand crank for trim tab crank and automotive like air vents. The features I appreciate are far greater.

Now it's $350,000 to buy a brand new Cherokee Archer. Times have changed!

@vfx7t

6 жыл бұрын

it means no chance thank's !

@MrAeronca100

4 жыл бұрын

I ferried a 180 home in 1965 it ran out the door at around $15,500

@ZackFrisbee

4 жыл бұрын

Adjusted for inflation the price of a brand new Cherokee in 1960 was about the same as a damn brand new Suburban today. Think about that, for the money you pay for a Chevrolet Suburban today, you could get a great airplane back in 1960.

It made me pilot . All the respect 👨🏻‍✈️

Love the Cherokee!

I love you my Baby Girl

Cool video! I’m a proud owner of a 1972 Cherokee 140!

Ah yes, the venerable Cherokee PA 28, a little gem of a plane. I bought one and learned to fly in it. It gave me seven happy years of reliable service before I reluctantly sold it and eagerly purchased my curent plane. The ubiquitous Cherokee I shall always admire, docile and forgiving enough for the ab initio trainee, yet quick enough to do some touring in as well.

@BlazinMonk

6 жыл бұрын

TheScotty64 what did you upgrade to??

I've done all of my training in Cessna's but there's something slick about the looks of a low wing :D

@joerefkin192

3 жыл бұрын

I've flown several high wing and several low wing aircraft. I am always more relaxed sitting on the wing than dangling from beneath the high wing. And the low wing looks more like a P51 than a high wing. Just my preferences.

At 1:21 the man on the right in front of N1000P was my primary flight instructor.

I love my 71 140.

$9,995 was an any man price, probably cost you $65-75,00 a month financing it over 15 years with zero down payment by to days standards it would cost you a starting price of $338K on piper web site for a new plane. that's about 3k a month, I don't know about you but my income has not risen enough to compensate. I would imagine the every man who works at Piper Aircraft cant afford one either. That said love the plane trained in and flown them many times just cant afford one.

@Bartonovich52

5 жыл бұрын

Uh... where were you getting a zero down loan on a vehicle for 15 years in 1960? Nowhere. A top of the line Cadillac Eldorado cost you about $3500 and if you weren’t paying cash you could finance it with 500 down over 3 years at 10%... which you probably weren’t doing with your $6,500 a year job. Forget about a new aircraft.

As soon as I graduate flight training , in going to buy a 1960 s model Piper PA28-160 or 180.

I did my CPL on a PA28 including spinning for the gov., flight testing officer . I went into aviation and flew 2 Cherokees on charter. ie., the 180 h.p. version and the 235 H.P. versions. The end result is I found the Cherokee a very rugged airplane and a good IFR platform. But both aircraft are very operational on agriculture strips. Maintenance very low.

I learned to fly in a Cessna 150 and a Cherokee 180, as well as a Cessna Skylane. The Skylane was roomier and faster, but the Cherokee was just a dream to fly. You just can't really ask for anything better. With the advent of the Malibu, the Mirage, the Matrix and the Meridian, there's only a couple of things that I would love to see Piper do now, and honestly, they aren't that hard. First, since the Cherokees, from the beginning, have used a Laminar Flow wing design, I really wish they would flush mount the rivets, or even bond the wing panels. That would turn the Archer and the Arrow into something a lot faster, I think. In fact, if ALL of the rivets on the aircraft were flush, or bonding was used, I'd be willing to bet that there would be a lot more people who would buy the airplane, because it would be faster. Secondly, why doesn't Piper put fuel injected engines on the Seminole and the Archer? Would it take that much to make the engineering change? I love the Cherokee, it's a great airplane, but in this day and age, 55 years later, the design shouldn't be stuck in the 1960's, it should be updated. A Turbo Arrow, all bonded wing and fuselage, with a TSIO-360-RB engine with intercooler, a three bladed prop, round hole inlets, a cowl flap, and aerodynamic tweaks like gap seals and hinge covers, and a fully enclosed retractable landing gear. Coupled with a Garmin G500, SVT, a GTN750/650 combo, GTX-33ES transponder, GMA 35 audio panel, and a GDL-88. I bet that would move right along, and would make a very nice cross country airplane for three people. Hey Piper! Ya listenin'? :D

@thefireman2854

4 жыл бұрын

It is not the engineering that is the problem, it is the HUGE cost to certify a new engine/airframe combination. Same reason we still are using engine technology from the 1940's. It is simply to costly to certify new engines. It is time for an entire range of smaller FADEC turbine engines for all of GA, all the way down to say 100-150 HP. I really do not get the feeling the FAA, US Gov, and airlines want GA to grow at all. It makes a higher workload for all of them and less profit for the airlines. Thank God we were able to stave off the "privatization" of ATC by the airlines. That would have killed GA for sure.

The horrible thing on the pricing is due to the insurance the the manufactures are required to carry because of those that seek to collect "their" lottery ticket in the event of an incedent. They are required to cover anything they make for 20 years! What car manufacture or anyone I know have to pay for this. Hence the incredible price is our fault not theirs. All my hours are in Piper products from J-3 on up, a beautiful company to deal with and have many piper proms from their 60's hey days.

@floatthecreek

7 жыл бұрын

Bingo! Lawyers have ruined it for everyone. Product Liability. The only reason I can afford to fly now is because I am an A&P IA.

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I have flew both Piper and Cessna like them both but the high wing Cessna does give your passengers a better view of the ground the Piper has better performance for long trips depending what you are using an airplane for so you make that part of high or low wing plane.

Hello. I am a graduate student at the University of Arkansas working on my thesis which is a documentary about the Jim Younkin family. Jim was an engineer and designed the Century autopilots 1-4 in the 1960s-70s. I am needing to find a few seconds of 1960s-era small planes to fill a spot in my documentary and wondered if I could use a couple of shots at 00:01:30-37? I would credit you with the footage in the film. Again, this is for a student film for educational purposes only and will not be sold. Thanks in advance for your response, Beth Lewis

piper you fly them till the wings fall off.

@thefireman2854

4 жыл бұрын

ouch.

Yes, it was designed as a four seater, back then. Today, with the average size of American, it is a single seater, two seater at very best. The 235 might just make it to a three seater.

They showed the wrong kind of Hershey bar for the wing.

They didn't go straight from the Cub to the Cherokee though. There were a few great planes in between #TriPacer

@macho844

5 жыл бұрын

Don’t forget the Comanche!

Only 2 features I never cared for in any Piper Cherokee model: the over-head window crank trim-tab control and rectangular automotive air vents.

@thefireman2854

4 жыл бұрын

both done away with in '67 I think.

I have a photo of us taking delivery of the 3000th Cherokee at Vero Beach. 7931W

When I was little my dad owned a 1/4 interest in a Cherokee 6. One of the other owners was flying back form Mexico. He knew he should have stopped for fuel but he was in a hurry to reach the border before sundown because (at the time at least) GA aircraft were not allowed to fly after dark. He ran out of fuel several miles south of the boarder but he was able to make a safe forced landing on the beach. He pulled the plane above the tide line then walked to a nearby village. He hired several guys to help him drag the plane to the village, got some fuel and obtained permission to use the main street through town as a runway, but off the end of the street was a tall tree. As he had already screwed up his fuel calculation so he called my dad, who called Piper. After working the numbers Piper said he could make it, but there was no margin for error. They decided there was nothing for it, so they hired a truck and removed the wings so they could haul it to the airport. Turned out that the cost of making the plane airworthy again was more than the plane was worth, so the plane was written off. A guy from Texas bought the plane and put the wings on himself (something that would require and A&E) and apparently the guy did knot know what he was doing. Shortly after take off one of the wings (or maybe both wings) fell off killing him and his wife. Very sad ending.

@erictaylor5462

5 жыл бұрын

Now go back and take a look at *WHERE* this takes place. It is in *MEXICO* where the aviation rules differ from that of the United States. Also, it takes place more than 40 years ago. Also, his wanting to reach the boarder before sundown should also clue you in that at that time it *WAS* legal to fly at night once he reached the boarder. One reason for the prohibition might be dealing with emergencies. If you have an engine failure at night, and you are not over a populated area, then what? You might actually be a pilot, but if so, I hope you are quite a lot smarter than your comment makes you seem.

@johnmullen5485

4 жыл бұрын

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@erictaylor5462

4 жыл бұрын

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@timnell207

3 жыл бұрын

@@erictaylor5462 border

Seems expensive back then. Almost 200 a lesson with the flying start course.

I did my private pilots licence in Switzerland back in 1985 on the Piper Warrior. Great airplane to learn. It's still flying there. Amazing product. You get what you see, a very honest airplane compared to today's plastic crap. Later I did my commercial IFR on the Seneca. Well, in the meantime I am a captain on the 747-8. Another great american airplane.

@thewatcher5271

3 жыл бұрын

Really? I Thought 747's Have All Been Retired.

@Renato.Stiefenhofer.747driver

3 жыл бұрын

@@thewatcher5271 Nope. There are still hundreds of 747's flying around and we will see them for another twenty years. I fly the brand new 747-8 . Great airplane.

So can I have one for my 60th birthday?

It's what I learnt to fly in

Cherokee Sixxx

If more than 47.000 Cherokees were sold since 1960 , as is mentioned here, then it should have been the most massive aircraft in the history of aviation. But it is commonly known Cessna 172 is. Why’s that?

I'd like to know the reasoning for why they only put in a single door.

@Bartonovich52

5 жыл бұрын

Weight and cost. Don’t forget... the memories of 1947 when they cut a bay out of a Cub wing to make the short wing Vagabond and didn’t even put a stripe on it because they couldn’t afford to were still fresh. Unlike Cessna... the door was complex and the opening significantly affected the structure of the aircraft... rather than being in between major frames with lots of other structure to go around.

well you don't need the avionics now we'll this true some of them

Sadly, the anniversary celebration was marred, when a wing fell off the demonstration plane.

Find it strange the design hasn't change much in 50 years

@Bartonovich52

6 жыл бұрын

No reason for it to. Plastic aircraft like the Katana and Cirrus are a bit more efficient, but come with their own problems.

@tomeverett2212

5 жыл бұрын

Air hasn't changed signicantly in that amount of time. The physics still hold.

@byronhenry3877

5 жыл бұрын

If it ain't broke don't fix it

@thefireman2854

4 жыл бұрын

It is because it costs too much to certify a new aircraft. That is why they still use 1940's engine technology.

si tu veux vivre autant qu'individu soit l'ami du monde mais si tu veux vivre autant personne côtoie le monde américain !

All fun and games until that wing spar AD jumps up and bites you.

I never liked the low wing aircraft. I prefer to have visibility over style. Love the looks of my Cessna 177 and all other high wing Cessnas or Pipers.

You guys launch a video that constantly mentions how the plane was historically affordable and that everyone loved. Then sell a product that is basically the same now as it was then but now has a Lamborghini price tag? Time to get back to basics. I don't need a Ford fiesta with a Tesla interior. Get rid of everything you can. Make the plane cheap. Pilots will upgrade as needed. Basic vfr cloth seats no ac we don't have it now in the old planes we're not going to miss it. Get the Cherokee under 120k. Something a reasonably successful person is willing to pay.

@thefireman2854

4 жыл бұрын

And they really need to do something about the 50 yr. old engine technology.

"Roomy cabin" lol not at all

@bradleypeterson2208

4 жыл бұрын

TexasRed82 compared to a 172, it’s very comfortable.

@ZackFrisbee

4 жыл бұрын

Have to remember, obesity basically didn't exist back then, people were in much better condition than they are today. They're still relatively small, but these days a lot of adults can't even fit inside a 4-seater plane because they're so big.